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(Fox News)   Obamacare is going to force Puerto Rico further into being a socialist state. Is there anything Obamacare can't do?   (latino.foxnews.com ) divider line
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2013-12-15 01:26:45 AM  

hubiestubert: See, with that headline I figured it was going to push for statehood.

Instead I got DERP all up on mah phone.

Ewwwwww...


it's a fox news link, did you honestly expect to come away with a non derped phone?
 
2013-12-15 02:09:08 AM  

Churchill2004: I don't really care whether Puerto Rico goes with independence or statehood- both have their advantages and disadvantages- but they should be forced to choose on or the other. A straight-up vote with only those two options. Perpetual territorial status may be justified for territories with very small populations, but it shouldn't be used for as large a population as PR.


Not having to pay Federal Income taxes should be a strong incentive not to become a state and remain a territory.

/can't actually think of any benefits for PR becoming the 51st state.
 
2013-12-15 02:10:16 AM  

Gonz: Doktor_Zhivago: Fox news prolly thinks Puerto Rico is full of messicans

There's more truth to this than you realize. The GOP's "Latino Outreach" is going to fail in ways they can't comprehend, because they clump "Latino" into one large chunk.

Mexicans, Cubanos, and Puertorriqueños are three distinct groups, with three distinct sets of important issues, and those three groups represent the vast majority of Latinos in the US.


Don't forget the Guatemalans.  Everyone hates the Guatemalans.
 
2013-12-15 02:32:52 AM  

dumbobruni: Churchill2004: I don't really care whether Puerto Rico goes with independence or statehood- both have their advantages and disadvantages- but they should be forced to choose on or the other. A straight-up vote with only those two options. Perpetual territorial status may be justified for territories with very small populations, but it shouldn't be used for as large a population as PR.

in 2012, Puerto Rico held a referendum on statehood, which passed.

the statehood question now falls to Congress.

/it took over a decade for Congress to approve Alaskan statehood


Mistakes were made.
 
2013-12-15 02:47:36 AM  
OK, I was told there would be no math.
 
2013-12-15 03:51:13 AM  
HempHead:Not having to pay Federal Income taxes should be a strong incentive not to become a state and remain a territory.

/can't actually think of any benefits for PR becoming the 51st state.


Pacific Island economies that are based on American military bases are terrifying things to behold. They realize they won't decolonize, since the USA refused to sign on to UN resolution 1514 back in the day. Anything is better than being a military outpost though, and since there is a large PR population on the mainland already, they have a chance at assimilation. However, the school-to-prison pipeline is not kind to Puerto Ricans in urban and suburban schools, so who knows?
 
2013-12-15 04:39:52 AM  

Notabunny: way south: Puerto Rico is already a socialist hell hole with more crime and corruption than Detroit.
Its not like they can break it any worse than it already is.

/...They probably can.

See how fast Obamacare destroyed Puerto Rico? I'm telling you, healing sick people will be the death of us all!


Unless insurance agents start changing bedpans, its a safe assumption that people don't get healed by their policies.
That work is done by the Doctors, EMT's, and Nurses who are having trouble getting paid by faltering governments and stingy insurers.

On St. Croix we recently had to let fifty nurses go (on a one hospital island). Service has degraded and the facility is in crisis mode.
They need a cash boost just to get back to compliance, which the insurance companies aren't likely to give. They scrap over every pill in the name of preserving their profit.
The state giving away more free stuff to compensate works when there's something left to give, but we're over a billion dollars in debt ourselves.

/After the refinery shut down and hospital CO committed suicide, things pretty much stalled out.
/The senates grand plan for a 20% tax hike is a joke. No ones got the cash to pay it.
 
2013-12-15 07:20:07 AM  

dumbobruni: Churchill2004: I don't really care whether Puerto Rico goes with independence or statehood- both have their advantages and disadvantages- but they should be forced to choose on or the other. A straight-up vote with only those two options. Perpetual territorial status may be justified for territories with very small populations, but it shouldn't be used for as large a population as PR.

in 2012, Puerto Rico held a referendum on statehood, which passed.

the statehood question now falls to Congress.

/it took over a decade for Congress to approve Alaskan statehood


Don't confuse him with facts.
 
2013-12-15 07:51:12 AM  
Is there anything Obamacare can't do?

Yes.  RUN A WEBSITE!  HAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!1!
 
2013-12-15 09:56:06 AM  
FTFA: Roughly 1.7 million Puerto Ricans already depend on free health insurance in the island and local doctors are concerned that the additional financial infusion to the program will make the territory even more dependent on welfare.

I find how the article focuses on calling 17 million Puerto Ricans "moochers", labels them as a "problem", and implying that taking their medical coverage away with no alternative rather than "sink or swim"; as very disturbing and sociopathic in nature.
 
2013-12-15 10:12:48 AM  

way south: Notabunny: way south: Puerto Rico is already a socialist hell hole with more crime and corruption than Detroit.
Its not like they can break it any worse than it already is.

/...They probably can.

See how fast Obamacare destroyed Puerto Rico? I'm telling you, healing sick people will be the death of us all!

Unless insurance agents start changing bedpans, its a safe assumption that people don't get healed by their policies.
That work is done by the Doctors, EMT's, and Nurses who are having trouble getting paid by faltering governments and stingy insurers.

On St. Croix we recently had to let fifty nurses go (on a one hospital island). Service has degraded and the facility is in crisis mode.
They need a cash boost just to get back to compliance, which the insurance companies aren't likely to give. They scrap over every pill in the name of preserving their profit.
The state giving away more free stuff to compensate works when there's something left to give, but we're over a billion dollars in debt ourselves.

/After the refinery shut down and hospital CO committed suicide, things pretty much stalled out.
/The senates grand plan for a 20% tax hike is a joke. No ones got the cash to pay it.


Never heard about any 20% tax hike in the news and what tax would be hiked 20%?  Property? Income tax? Gross Receipts?  New plan that was suggested was to get rid of gross receipt taxes, replace it with a 5% sales tax and go single-payer.

Puerto Rico did not vote for statehood.  They voted to "support" statehood.  Big Difference.

By a vote of 54-46 percent on Tuesday, Puerto Ricans, in a non-binding referendum, said that they would like to change their Commonwealth status. In a second question, 61 percent said they would support statehood, 33 percent said they'd like a new pact with the United States,

Puerto Rico has been in massive debt for awhile now.  I don't see that changing.  There were a lot more foreign investments in the island than in 2013 with more on the way in 2014.  I think Puerto Rico will turn their finances around and I think it is wrong to call "free insurance" welfare.
 
2013-12-15 10:16:38 AM  

heavymetal: I find how the article focuses on calling 17 million Puerto Ricans "moochers", labels them as a "problem", and implying that taking their medical coverage away with no alternative rather than "sink or swim"; as very disturbing and sociopathic in nature.



Tis the Season!
 
2013-12-15 10:32:57 AM  

jjorsett: 7 posts and 6 are gripes about Fox News instead of the subject of the article. Anything to avoid having to talk about the President's signature achievement, huh?


Yea just like the website nobody wants to take credit for it. What is funny is Sebelius trying to investigate her own work, pretty typical of Democrats, always someone else's fault except their own.
 
2013-12-15 11:57:25 AM  

mrmaster: I think it is wrong to call "free insurance" welfare.


These days, "welfare" is anything that gives money/food to a poor person, like the jackhole from Texas who said the minimum wage was just welfare.
As opposed to "business savvy" displayed by corporations like Boeing, who will only build their factory somewhere if it's on free land, in a free building, with low taxes and tax breaks on top of it.
 
2013-12-15 11:58:11 AM  

pmdgrwr: jjorsett: 7 posts and 6 are gripes about Fox News instead of the subject of the article. Anything to avoid having to talk about the President's signature achievement, huh?

Yea just like the website nobody wants to take credit for it. What is funny is Sebelius trying to investigate her own work, pretty typical of Democrats, always someone else's fault except their own.


Yeah, it's totally the head of HHS' fault that she can't code.

Dumbass.
 
2013-12-15 12:15:47 PM  

mrmaster: way south: Notabunny: way south: Puerto Rico is already a socialist hell hole with more crime and corruption than Detroit.
Its not like they can break it any worse than it already is.

/...They probably can.

See how fast Obamacare destroyed Puerto Rico? I'm telling you, healing sick people will be the death of us all!

Unless insurance agents start changing bedpans, its a safe assumption that people don't get healed by their policies.
That work is done by the Doctors, EMT's, and Nurses who are having trouble getting paid by faltering governments and stingy insurers.

On St. Croix we recently had to let fifty nurses go (on a one hospital island). Service has degraded and the facility is in crisis mode.
They need a cash boost just to get back to compliance, which the insurance companies aren't likely to give. They scrap over every pill in the name of preserving their profit.
The state giving away more free stuff to compensate works when there's something left to give, but we're over a billion dollars in debt ourselves.

/After the refinery shut down and hospital CO committed suicide, things pretty much stalled out.
/The senates grand plan for a 20% tax hike is a joke. No ones got the cash to pay it.

Never heard about any 20% tax hike in the news and what tax would be hiked 20%?  Property? Income tax? Gross Receipts?  New plan that was suggested was to get rid of gross receipt taxes, replace it with a 5% sales tax and go single-payer.

Puerto Rico did not vote for statehood.  They voted to "support" statehood.  Big Difference.

By a vote of 54-46 percent on Tuesday, Puerto Ricans, in a non-binding referendum, said that they would like to change their Commonwealth status. In a second question, 61 percent said they would support statehood, 33 percent said they'd like a new pact with the United States,

Puerto Rico has been in massive debt for awhile now.  I don't see that changing.  There were a lot more foreign investments in the island than in 2013 with more on the w ...


I think way south is arguing for a tax-based national healthcare system.
 
2013-12-15 01:20:30 PM  
No reference yet to the 'America' song in West Side Story?  FARK, I am disappoint.
 
2013-12-15 02:34:00 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: pmdgrwr: jjorsett: 7 posts and 6 are gripes about Fox News instead of the subject of the article. Anything to avoid having to talk about the President's signature achievement, huh?

Yea just like the website nobody wants to take credit for it. What is funny is Sebelius trying to investigate her own work, pretty typical of Democrats, always someone else's fault except their own.

Yeah, it's totally the head of HHS' fault that she can't code.

Dumbass.



I never said she wrote the code for the site, just more typical Democrat behavior. What was her job then, sitting on a stump with her thumb up her ass? She runs the department and at no point did she do any kind of supervision on the development of the site. Just like I said typical Democrat never wanting to take responsibility for their failures. I know, it was Fox News that built the site and the Republicans purposely made it to be a flawed site. Never mind that the company was chosen by Democrats to build it over budget and it still failed.
 
2013-12-15 06:51:09 PM  
What I find amusing is that Sun Media, basically Canada's answer to Fox News - in some ways even more right winged and vile, has been screaming bloody murder recently that the province isn't covering a little girl's cancer meds. Granted they are probably using this as an opportunity to take cheap shots at the Ontario Liberal party, but it shows that you can still be "bootstrappy" while having a social safety net for health care.
 
2013-12-15 07:12:45 PM  
Another Faux "News" link, another nontroversy.
 
2013-12-15 11:06:58 PM  
That's some Fair and Balanced propaganda right there
 
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