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(IGN)   Nintendo planned on selling 9 million Wii U systems by the end of the 2014 fiscal year. After selling 222,000 in November, they only need to average 2 million units a month to reach that goal   (ign.com ) divider line
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2013-12-15 10:04:34 AM  

Cytokine Storm: Release X, then I will buy a Wii-U.

That is all.


That can't be a Nintendo game, I didn't see Mario or Zelda anywhere.
 
2013-12-15 10:06:06 AM  

way south: With two "next gen" consoles out, the Steam box on the horizon


Yeah, people are going to be lining up for a box that can play less than 10% of the games released for it.
 
2013-12-15 10:37:26 AM  
I love Pikmin, so will eventually get a WiiU because of that, but right now there is nothing on it to justify the outlay of of $. I'm not a big gamer anyway. When I game it's probably gonna be Civilization or Sims on PC (Or, right now the Black Isle/Bioware D&D collection. Planescape: Torment FTW)
 
2013-12-15 10:57:38 AM  

Dragonflew: way south: With two "next gen" consoles out, the Steam box on the horizon

Yeah, people are going to be lining up for a box that can play less than 10% of the games released for it.


As far as I can tell there will be different kinds of Steam boxes. Though they are beginning to develop for Linux more, for now it looks like those units will mostly be used for streaming from a more powerful gaming rig to another room, like a living room with a large screen TV. Honestly I'm not sure how big of a hit they'll be, but I see what they're trying to do.
 
2013-12-15 11:22:43 AM  
The Wii U is a great system, as long as it isn't your primary console. You need your Xbox/Playstation/PC for all of the top of the line gaming experiences, but you can't beat the Wii U as a family and couch co-op with friends system. And you get the added bonus of having the Wii U around once the HD Zelda and Metroid come out, which are really the only two single player experiences that Nintendo has to rival the best games on other consoles.
 
2013-12-15 11:34:20 AM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: You need your Xbox/Playstation/PC for all of the top of the line gaming experiences


Hardcore gamer has arrived.
 
2013-12-15 12:38:53 PM  

AdamK: Mad_Radhu: AdamK: LesserEvil: I should have also mentioned, comparing the profits of Nintendo to Microsoft or Sony's "game console" divisions is misleading at best, since Microsoft includes mobile and entertainment products - and let's face it, throwing Zune and Windows Phones into the mix is hardly fair to the Xbox line... same goes for Sony and the PSVita and PSP sales, which were abysmal. I also think those numbers would probably also take a hit from MS and Sony buying up game design studios and the like, as well.

In the long term, they aren't in the game console business to deliver games, so much as they are to provide a multitude of "services" they can charge consumers for. For them, it is about market share, period, and on that count they are dominating.

i hate services, if i ever buy a ps4 or xbone i'm not subscribing to PS+ or XBLG... so yeah, i hope Valve, Apple and Nintendo never get into that territory because it's just not for me

PS+ is actually an awesome deal because for $50 a year you get a shiatload of free games for the PS3. If you don't have time to keep up with the latest and greatest like me, it is a nice inexpensive way to enjoy some older titles. In the last year I've seen games like Borderlands 2, Uncharted 3, Deus Ex:HR, XCOM, Saints Row III, Sleeping Dogs, Shadow of the Colossus, and Ico all offered for free with subscription, so I've gotten my money's worth out of the service.

yeah... see for me i already bought all of those titles for way less than $50 total on steam, i was never at the mercy of a service - i simply waited and picked what i wanted to play

more importantly, i don't like subscriptions in my entertainment - i put up with it for access to internet and stuff like netflix, but that's about as far as i'm willing to go

access to games i can already access? nope


A PSN card is 50$ for 12 months. That's less than 5$ a month. It's hardly the onerous burden you make it out to be.

And the free games aren't a competitor to new releases; you might as well say 'I bought those games new on the ps3, what good does this do me?!'
 
2013-12-15 12:54:33 PM  

kukukupo: buntz: AdamK: you're right in that the wii u needs other "event" type games, and it got that in mario 3d world - but nothing happened in terms of sales which to me says "it doesn't matter what you release, sales aren't going to reach their potential"... i guess you write fan fiction and think nintendo should've released all of the wii u's lifetime hit games in one december, but that's not how these things work, hence why i think the games aren't a problem but rather the market position demanding that the price be cut to be more than $100 cheaper than a ps4 because people aren't seeing the value regardless of what's on shelves

Ad hominems aside, you're right that I do expect at least one 'hit' game with a new console.  Not all, but 3D World was just a port.  Batman was old.  Zombie U was a showcase but from what I've read, not a great one.
There just hasn't been any games that people are wowed about.

And you're right, because of this, the price needs to be cut.  What was it originally $350? I can't remember the initial price but it was pretty high for a port and bland 'showcase' game.

I have no doubt eventually I'll get one (unless they decide people just don't like it enough and come out with Nintendo 8 a year from now) but not at $250 (or $200).

I almost picked up a 4GB XBox for $99 a couple weeks ago because we have so many unopened 360 games I'd rather have one on 2 TVS than buy a new XBox One that won't play 360 games!

SMB3DL is not a port.  And it is easily the best Mario game I've played in a while.  The graphics are actually quite stunning in person.  The Wii U was only $300 - and that is with a game.


And unlike the xbone, i don't need to buy an entire set of controllers.

Does the ps4 do the same screwjob?
 
2013-12-15 01:20:44 PM  

Gergesa: buntz: The MAIN reason I didn't buy a Wii U is the lack of games.

Currently they have more available than 1 or 4.

buntz: What games are MUST haves on the Wii U?

I never liked the term "must have games."  There are no such things as must have games.  Games are a luxury not a necessity.  No systems have ever had a "must have game."

buntz: The Mario games are even re-hashes.

In the same sense the all castlevania games since the first are re-hashes.

buntz: There hasn't been a great Mario game since Galaxy.

Lost credibility here.

For Nintendo doom prophets, I suppose someone should point out that Microsoft has never made money off the Xbox and Sony's level of profitability is also not exactly spectacular either.  Of the three companies, Nintendo has the best solvency so it is not like they are on the verge of collapse.


They're far from the most solvent of the three. Microsoft is, because they sell things other than hardware and video games. Xbox is their way to get into the living room. They make ~$5 billion a quarter, so they have money to burn on the 360 and One.

Nintendo's problem is that they:

1) Haven't had fresh IP in years... you can only play Mario so many times before craving an actual story line
2) Have blatantly ignored some of the more social aspects of gaming, like online play. Where they do actually implement it, it's a farking disaster (I'm looking at you, Pokemon Black/White and Wii) that's completely unintuitive and backwards. 

They need to develop a new franchise that adults want to get into out of more than an enduring sense of nostalgia. They also need to develop a good, workable online multiplayer service that works across multiple offerings. Microsoft did it 10 years ago, Sony's managed to pull it off... why not Nintendo? It's been proven people will pay for the ability to play against others online.

Other things like using older hardware are ancillary, but certainly don't help.
 
2013-12-15 02:41:45 PM  

gaspode: HockeyGod98: gaspode: The biggest problem they have is Mario (and their other old IPs). Sure it is a moneymaker BUT it stifles any impression of them as anything but a fetish toy maker for existing nintendo fans. And that market isnt going to get bigger at all. I have no doubt the games are good but the world doesnt want another farkign mario/zelda game it really doesnt.

They need need need strong new IPs and to give an impression of producing hardware people desire. The Wii was a complete one-off, and they clearly know that.. but they arent doing anything interesting to those who have no interest in their old IPs as far as I can see. Among a strong modern lineup those old games would pick up new fans, but when they are the only visible attraction people aint buying.

Yes, having the most iconic IPs in the history of the medium has really been a burden. They need "Righteous Slaughter - Sh*t Stick 3000" kind of IPs.

It is a blessing AND a curse. That was the point.

They need new and exciting IP. Every company needs this ever few years. There is nothing new or exciting about another Mario game, unless you already care.


Last I knew, they have the rights to the Fatal Frame franchise. Considering it involves hunting ghosts with a camera, they have the opportunity something totally unique.

AdamK: Mad_Radhu: AdamK: LesserEvil: I should have also mentioned, comparing the profits of Nintendo to Microsoft or Sony's "game console" divisions is misleading at best, since Microsoft includes mobile and entertainment products - and let's face it, throwing Zune and Windows Phones into the mix is hardly fair to the Xbox line... same goes for Sony and the PSVita and PSP sales, which were abysmal. I also think those numbers would probably also take a hit from MS and Sony buying up game design studios and the like, as well.

In the long term, they aren't in the game console business to deliver games, so much as they are to provide a multitude of "services" they can charge consumers for. For them, it is about market share, period, and on that count they are dominating.

i hate services, if i ever buy a ps4 or xbone i'm not subscribing to PS+ or XBLG... so yeah, i hope Valve, Apple and Nintendo never get into that territory because it's just not for me

PS+ is actually an awesome deal because for $50 a year you get a shiatload of free games for the PS3. If you don't have time to keep up with the latest and greatest like me, it is a nice inexpensive way to enjoy some older titles. In the last year I've seen games like Borderlands 2, Uncharted 3, Deus Ex:HR, XCOM, Saints Row III, Sleeping Dogs, Shadow of the Colossus, and Ico all offered for free with subscription, so I've gotten my money's worth out of the service.

yeah... see for me i already bought all of those titles for way less than $50 total on steam, i was never at the mercy of a service - i simply waited and picked what i wanted to play

more importantly, i don't like subscriptions in my entertainment - i put up with it for access to internet and stuff like netflix, but that's about as far as i'm willing to go

access to games i can already access? nope


True, but think of how valuable it is to newcomers. Heck, it's worth it for Ico, SOTC and Uncharted 3 alone.
 
2013-12-15 02:52:11 PM  
...and I just accidentally the whole thing.
 
2013-12-15 03:11:11 PM  

Marine1: 1) Haven't had fresh IP in years... you can only play Mario so many times before craving an actual story line


Not all games require heavy storyline, but you are welcome to enjoy the various mario rpgs and mario and luigi team up games to your hearts content. I did.

Marine1: 2) Have blatantly ignored some of the more social aspects of gaming, like online play.


This I'll grant you, although honestly the older I get the less interested I am in playing a console online. Console gamers online make mmorpg players look like philosophers, religious leaders, and secretaries of defense.
 
2013-12-15 03:30:07 PM  

Carth: AdamK: i hate services,

The internet must be a really annoying place for you right now since just about all useful content is going towards services as more people are blocking ads.


if it isn't for access to the internet, or for programs, i'm not subscribing... there's no amount of useless trivia on the internet worth subscribing for

Smackledorfer:

Does the ps4 do the same screwjob?

outside of 3rd party peripherals like steering wheels, yes the PS4 isn't backwards compatible with any controllers you bought for the ps3

kroonermanblack:

A PSN card is 50$ for 12 months. That's less than 5$ a month. It's hardly the onerous burden you make it out to be.

And the free games aren't a competitor to new releases; you might as well say 'I bought those games new on the ps3, what good does this do me?!'


$50 a year is $50 a year, not sure why that's not an issue, it was an issue with XBLG it's still an issue with PS+ especially since they're basically the same services at this point... not sure why i'd flip a switch in my head after not paying an extra $50 a year on PS3 for 6 years and suddenly say "i don't feel like not spending extra money for no reason at all, my wallet is too full"

and my point with steam was that i could pick and choose whatever games i wanted at a cheap price, just because a game is gifted to you doesn't mean i want to play it or feel worth from having paid to access it for "free"... and i don't want somebody else choosing for me what i get for my money's worth, i'd rather just play what i want to play

you're right in that it's a good deal for beginners, but everything is a good deal for somebody, i can only argue for myself

buntz:

Ad hominems aside, you're right that I do expect at least one 'hit' game with a new console.  Not all, but 3D World was just a port.  Batman was old.  Zombie U was a showcase but from what I've read, not a great one.
There just hasn't been any games that people are wowed about.

And you're right, because of this, the price needs to be cut.  What was it originally $350? I can't remember the initial price but it was pretty high for a port and bland 'showcase' game.

I have no doubt eventually I'll get one (unless they decide people just don't like it enough and come out with Nintendo 8 a year from now) but not at $250 (or $200).

I almost picked up a 4GB XBox for $99 a couple weeks ago because we have so many unopened 360 games I'd rather have one on 2 TVS than buy a new XBox One that won't play 360 games!


not sure if you know what a port is

as for the wii u it launched with a $299 SKU and a $349 SKU, the current $299 SKU is just the $349 version with a price drop

either way games sell systems, so when you build up a library and have your equivalent of an "event" game at the beginning of Year 2 and nothing happens, it's not the games it's the platform that's the problem

i'm not sure i'm jaded enough to think people don't want nintendo games at all anymore, but they're willing to have depressing biatchfests over EA and Activision games every year... something's not right
 
2013-12-15 04:09:21 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Hardware and good games don't drive saves anymore.  Video games are dead.


The WiiU hardware is about $100 overpriced. Maybe they should fix that. Then, people might buy it and 3rd party devs might give a sh*t about it. The PS4 and One are selling like hotcakes.
 
2013-12-15 05:29:01 PM  

Gergesa: Passive Aggressive Larry: You need your Xbox/Playstation/PC for all of the top of the line gaming experiences

Hardcore gamer has arrived.


Obligatory loser who thinks labeling gamers means anything has arrived.

I play everything. Spent the last two weeks playing my new Wii U. I still play my Wii. But I know the two more technologically advanced consoles and PC are going to the places to play most of the biggest releases of the foreseeable future. That just seems like stating the obvious. Should I throw phones and tablets in there as well? I game on those too. That's why I advocate getting all of the systems, I hate missing out on good games wherever they are released. Looking down on others for the way they choose to play games, or the games they play, is farking stupid.
 
2013-12-15 08:43:44 PM  

blacksharpiemarker: The N64 was the last Nintendo system to have great games and they were arguably technological achievements of the time.

Nintendo fans have wanted a mature Zelda for over a decade.Gamers have also repeatedly stated they'd suck **** for a competently designed and well executed Pokemon Online.

Nintendo would do well to remove the cotton from their ears and listen to the fans that have grown up with the brand and now have all the money to spend. They keep designing games for 12 year olds without acknowledging that even the 12 year olds would rather play something catered to a different age market. (GTA 5 sold a billion dollars with in three days, I wonder why?)

Nintendo is their own problem. They have plenty of valuable IP they're sitting on with no intention to develop competent, challenging, intelligent games with. The cutesy preschool stuff will only get them so far, and will eventually end their business all together.


n64 was the last with great games? oh please.

odd controls aside, metroid prime had really nailed the atmosphere and gameplay.


gamecube also had the first two pikmin, and battle mode in pikmin 2/3 is farking win.
 
2013-12-15 09:09:39 PM  

Lanadapter: n64 was the last with great games? oh please.

odd controls aside, metroid prime had really nailed the atmosphere and gameplay.


gamecube also had the first two pikmin, and battle mode in pikmin 2/3 is farking win.


Metroid: Prime was fantastic. Sorry, to clarify what I was trying to say, N64 was the last Nintendo system to have a wide selection of excellent games.

Gamecube had a few good ones. Prime was definitely one of them, RE4 as well.
 
2013-12-15 09:15:26 PM  

blacksharpiemarker: Lanadapter: n64 was the last with great games? oh please.

odd controls aside, metroid prime had really nailed the atmosphere and gameplay.


gamecube also had the first two pikmin, and battle mode in pikmin 2/3 is farking win.

Metroid: Prime was fantastic. Sorry, to clarify what I was trying to say, N64 was the last Nintendo system to have a wide selection of excellent games.

Gamecube had a few good ones. Prime was definitely one of them, RE4 as well.


I hacked my wii the other day.

I can now easily play all the n64 games (never had an interest in emulating it before) and no it does not have some rich selection of games. It was pretty meh when looking at it
 
2013-12-15 11:04:01 PM  

AdamK: $50 a year is $50 a year, not sure why that's not an issue, it was an issue with XBLG it's still an issue with PS+ especially since they're basically the same services at this point...


Except not really?  PSN+ or whatever they're calling it offers free games. XBL does not. Both are required if you want to play multiplayer on many (all) games, but we'll let that slide. I personally don't.  You also get free DLC with a subscription but I bet you're one of those 'whargarble dlc is satan's cock' people.

The point is, 50$, for a year...is stupid to biatch about. That's not getting a Coffee once a month. Or not eating out once a month. Sure, if you're living on 20,000$ a year, that's a lot. But clearly you're fine with playing old games, if you're relegating yourself, already, to picking up heavy sale steam games.

If you're going to play the bargain card, you've now got several games you wouldn't have ever bought (or maybe some you wanted but wouldn't buy, or even some you actually wanted period) for free.  Steam would have charged you 5$.  Wee, you just made that cost up.

Yes, it's completely random as far as what's free, but you're sitting there plugging your ears screaming rather than actually looking at the services the subscription provides.  It's really worth the price.

This is ignoring that most of the features on the Xbox are gated by having an XBLG account, which I think is bullshiat and is yet another reason I won't buy one (seriously, NETFLIX requires a gold account? fark you Xbox. It's free on PSN).  And ignoring that most of the time you can pick up a PSN+ or XBLG card on sale somewhere. I personally snagged one for 20$ during the black friday sale on Amazon.

It also depends on your use; if you (and I assume you are) are primarily a computer gamer...no, it probably doesn't make sense for YOU to buy a PSN+ card, if you're just going to use the PS3 for the odd exclusive title. But if you're using the PS3 as your primary game player, it makes a lot of sense for the benefits it offers.
 
2013-12-16 12:18:08 AM  
Disclaimer: I have carpal tunnel but I'm in that "wonderful" limbo where it's bad enough that it affects my life but not bad enough to qualify for surgery. :(

I tried the Wii years ago at my sister's house and ended up handing someone else the wiimote after about 10 minutes because my wrists felt like I was getting stabbed. I haven't tried the Wii U or DS/2DS/3DS yet... hopefully I can use a stylus without a problem. It's bad enough that I can't write for 30 seconds without my wrists hurting. :/
 
2013-12-16 12:43:31 AM  

AgentKGB: Disclaimer: I have carpal tunnel but I'm in that "wonderful" limbo where it's bad enough that it affects my life but not bad enough to qualify for surgery. :(

I tried the Wii years ago at my sister's house and ended up handing someone else the wiimote after about 10 minutes because my wrists felt like I was getting stabbed. I haven't tried the Wii U or DS/2DS/3DS yet... hopefully I can use a stylus without a problem. It's bad enough that I can't write for 30 seconds without my wrists hurting. :/


Can't shake the ol' Wiimote? How do you get on in life that way?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8f7vy_alec-plays-the-wii_fun
 
2013-12-16 01:10:39 AM  

Smackledorfer: Gamecube had a few good ones. Prime was definitely one of them, RE4 as well.

I hacked my wii the other day.

I can now easily play all the n64 games (never had an interest in emulating it before) and no it does not have some rich selection of games. It was pretty meh when looking at it


Looking back they may not seem significant, but I stand by my statement that it had the best and most technologically significant games of that era compared to those that came after it (certainly as far as Nintendo goes):

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Super Mario 64
GoldenEye 007
Perfect Dark
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil
Paper Mario
Mario Kart 64
Pokemon Stadium
Star Wars Episode I: Racer
Pokemon Snap
Resident Evil 2
Banjo-Kazooie

Etc, etc, etc. Those are only to name a few and many of them were exclusives.
 
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