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(National Post)   While most cities struggle with mundane infrastructure like subways and overpasses, Saskatoon is considering heated downtown sidewalks   (news.nationalpost.com) divider line 46
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2013-12-14 01:06:32 AM
Wouldn't the melted snow simply move to the side of the street and freeze into thick layers?
 
2013-12-14 01:35:37 AM
Our Elks lodge has had the north side sidewalk heated for a hundred years, also the power plant heats their front walks.
 
2013-12-14 08:32:43 AM
This message is what having the US provide your military defense gets you.
 
2013-12-14 08:33:27 AM
I've thought about this for my driveway and walkway, in a things-I'd-love-to-do-to-the-house-someday fantasy. My question is, could it get soooooo cold, maybe cold and very windy, that it would refreeze into a sheet of ice?
 
2013-12-14 08:34:30 AM
I don't think many buildings merely heat up water once, then dump it.
 
2013-12-14 08:35:28 AM
The Japanese already do this in their northern cities.
 
2013-12-14 08:35:45 AM

namegoeshere: I've thought about this for my driveway and walkway, in a things-I'd-love-to-do-to-the-house-someday fantasy. My question is, could it get soooooo cold, maybe cold and very windy, that it would refreeze into a sheet of ice?


My understanding is that when they build a heated driveway, they also build drainage solutions into the design.
 
2013-12-14 08:35:48 AM
Works great in Anchorage.
 
2013-12-14 08:36:43 AM

wichitaleaf: This message is what having the US provide your military defense gets you.


Defense against what, exactly? Moose? Mexicans? Giant portions? Lack of healthcare?

No, really. Feel free to expand there.
 
2013-12-14 08:37:55 AM
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New York have had a system in place for over a hundred years
 
2013-12-14 08:39:43 AM
Welcome to last century. Helsinki's had them since the 80s. Every couple of years they add to the existing network when street repairs are done or cables need adding/replacing.
 
2013-12-14 08:39:56 AM
So, they have to keep running it once they put it in, or the pipes freeze and burst?
 
2013-12-14 08:40:25 AM
So the drunk passed out bums dont stick after they piss themselves?
 
2013-12-14 08:46:28 AM

hublan: wichitaleaf: This message is what having the US provide your military defense gets you.

Defense against what, exactly? Moose? Mexicans? Giant portions? Lack of healthcare?

No, really. Feel free to expand there.


Bigfoot.
 
2013-12-14 08:47:34 AM
I ordered some chainmail rings from a company in that town. Ugg, still waiting on them to so those sidewalks might take awhile.
 
2013-12-14 08:49:34 AM
When you start thinking about all these obvious engineering solutions that are so doable with even just early 20th century technology, you realize just how corrupt and inefficient our ~10 levels of government really are.

The federal, provincial, municipal, school, water, parking, etc are just a giant shadow theater designed to enforce taxation but reduce services as much as possible while re-distributing wealth among buddies of buddies.

Holy crap the amount of technology and resources we *could* have if we just reduced the amount of people "working" that are just really there to prevent real changes.

I can't understand how people like Farkers who keep talking about colonizing the universe can't even see how different life could be right here if we had a social revolution.
 
2013-12-14 08:51:49 AM
I think I've been to Saskatoon as a kid. Didn't they have the world's largest crane there or something?
 
2013-12-14 08:53:24 AM

TheHighlandHowler: I don't think many buildings merely heat up water once, then dump it.


This.  causality, how does it work?
 
2013-12-14 08:57:47 AM

TheHighlandHowler: I don't think many buildings merely heat up water once, then dump it.


They're talking about using the water after it's heated the building, but before it returns to the boiler. It's still warm enough to heat the sidewalks at that point.
 
2013-12-14 09:00:18 AM
They have a system like this at Frostburg university in western Maryland. Seems to work well there.
 
2013-12-14 09:04:20 AM
Trondheim has them in the city center, but it's up to the individual shop owners to turn them on. The owners don't like the expense of running them, and Norwegians in general refuse to shovel, so a walk along the main street goes something like 40 feet of clear pavement followed by 20 feet of 6" deep ice. Of course, that's better than the rest of the city, which is all just covered in the aforementioned ice.

/Grand Rapids has had them for several decades, too
//They work well there!
 
2013-12-14 09:12:39 AM
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2013-12-14 09:20:03 AM
They'll find a way to fark it up. This is a city where council has approved a 7.4% tax increase for next year, WITHOUT a heated sidewalks project.

They can't even clear snow from the crappy roads properly. Oh yeah, the roads around town are really bad. Makes you wonder where the tax money has gone all these years.
 
2013-12-14 09:25:01 AM
Why not just spend the money to move somewhere decent?
 
2013-12-14 09:36:45 AM
Hate to break it to you, subby, but lots of buildings in Minneapolis and Chicago already have heated sidewalks to melt the snow.  Driveways, too.  That's why the pavement in front of the John Hancock Center steams when it's wet.

/Nothing to see here.
 
2013-12-14 09:41:46 AM

ucan'tcmee: They'll find a way to fark it up. This is a city where council has approved a 7.4% tax increase for next year, WITHOUT a heated sidewalks project.

They can't even clear snow from the crappy roads properly. Oh yeah, the roads around town are really bad. Makes you wonder where the tax money has gone all these years.


Hey hey, Montreal is tops in that department. This morning's news is a water main breaking on a major street and another street is threatening to simply sink into the ground.

The money? It's very simple. The grifter class has applied the Chicago School of economics with a vengeance. You have a system called government that has unlimited powers to levy taxes from people with no real power to prevent it (read the fine print on your tax bill some day).

Then you bring in a class of sociopathic self-serving nepotists with family members running companies that provide services at massively inflated rates...

All you need now is a society of people that doesn't stick together, doesn't organize, doesn't even care, and there you have modern Canada.

But but but but Canada is so great! Yeah, maybe it was in the '70s. Now we're just coasting and we're basically a giant natural resource for Harper and his buddies to slowly slice apart at taxpayer's expense.
 
2013-12-14 10:10:54 AM

ucan'tcmee: They'll find a way to fark it up. This is a city where council has approved a 7.4% tax increase for next year, WITHOUT a heated sidewalks project.

They can't even clear snow from the crappy roads properly. Oh yeah, the roads around town are really bad. Makes you wonder where the tax money has gone all these years.


Oh, they'll clear the snow off the road so much better with the heated sidewalks.  As that'll be where they dump the snow from the roads.

See that doesn't sound like such a crazy plan, now does it?  And you doubted them.
 
2013-12-14 10:10:58 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: ucan'tcmee: They'll find a way to fark it up. This is a city where council has approved a 7.4% tax increase for next year, WITHOUT a heated sidewalks project.

They can't even clear snow from the crappy roads properly. Oh yeah, the roads around town are really bad. Makes you wonder where the tax money has gone all these years.

Hey hey, Montreal is tops in that department. This morning's news is a water main breaking on a major street and another street is threatening to simply sink into the ground.

The money? It's very simple. The grifter class has applied the Chicago School of economics with a vengeance. You have a system called government that has unlimited powers to levy taxes from people with no real power to prevent it (read the fine print on your tax bill some day).

Then you bring in a class of sociopathic self-serving nepotists with family members running companies that provide services at massively inflated rates...

All you need now is a society of people that doesn't stick together, doesn't organize, doesn't even care, and there you have modern Canada.

But but but but Canada is so great! Yeah, maybe it was in the '70s. Now we're just coasting and we're basically a giant natural resource for Harper and his buddies to slowly slice apart at taxpayer's expense.


Amen to all that.
 
2013-12-14 10:46:46 AM
It might save money in the long run if you consider shoveling that doesn't have to be done.
 
2013-12-14 10:47:38 AM

groppet: They have a system like this at Frostburg university in western Maryland. Seems to work well there.


The hell you say.  On campus or in town?
 
2013-12-14 10:50:27 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: TheHighlandHowler: I don't think many buildings merely heat up water once, then dump it.

They're talking about using the water after it's heated the building, but before it returns to the boiler. It's still warm enough to heat the sidewalks at that point.



They actually seem to be mixing up the ideas of 'domestic hot water' and 'heating hot water.' When they say things like

"thanks to pipes under the concrete carrying runoff hot water from building heating systems"

and

"Every building downtown has a hot water boiler somewhere," he said, and they drain ultimately into the South Saskatchewan River.

- you have to wonder if they're confused as fark, or if the article writer doesn't understand what they're being told. Building heating hot water exists as (essentially) a closed loop - water heated at the boiler, pumped out to terminal units, and then returned to the boiler for reheating - there isn't really "runoff" to speak of, aside from a relatively small amount of condensate. And suddenly splicing a heat exchanger into their return hhw piping would probably require reworking each system, as they're expecting a certain delta-T at the boiler. As for harnessing waste heat from discarded domestic hot water - which I'm sure is what they're actually picturing in their minds - I'm not sure about how that could reasonably be accomplished using so many distributed and unpredictable sources. You can't run the waste water through your heating tubes, so I suppose you'd need a closed loop that passes through a heat exchanger at each contributing business. One wonders about how hot that water would actually end up getting.
 
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2013-12-14 11:05:35 AM

Prey4reign: hublan: wichitaleaf: This message is what having the US provide your military defense gets you.

Defense against what, exactly? Moose? Mexicans? Giant portions? Lack of healthcare?

No, really. Feel free to expand there.

Bigfoot.


Leave my exwife out of this.
 
2013-12-14 11:12:41 AM

wichitaleaf: This message is what having the US provide your military defense gets you.


Defending us from whom ? lately its been mostly "friendly fire" (copyright US military, all your rights are belong to US)
 
2013-12-14 11:41:56 AM

gja: Prey4reign: hublan: wichitaleaf: This message is what having the US provide your military defense gets you.

Defense against what, exactly? Moose? Mexicans? Giant portions? Lack of healthcare?

No, really. Feel free to expand there.

Bigfoot.

Leave my exwife out of this.


Say gooney goo-goo for me
 
2013-12-14 12:26:08 PM
I have always wondered why sewage isn't run in 4" pipes under roads and sidewalks. It would heat them in winter and cool them in summer, instead of maintaining a constant 70 degrees 6 feet under the earth.
Maintenance would be a biatch.
 
2013-12-14 12:37:43 PM
Quantum Apostrophe:

I can't understand how people like Farkers who keep talking about colonizing the universe can't even see how different life could be right here if we had a social revolution.

We already had a social revolution, chief. That's what got us into this mess.
Remember how they said instead of the rich having all the money we should give it all to the government and they would use it to benefit us commoners?
When all is said and done, the entire US government spends around 10 trillion dollars a year, and accomplishes jack in the process.
 
2013-12-14 12:46:50 PM

BigNumber12: - you have to wonder if they're confused as fark, or if the article writer doesn't understand what they're being told.


I just assumed they were as confused as fark *and* the writer doesn't understand what they're being told.
 
2013-12-14 01:03:38 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: BigNumber12: - you have to wonder if they're confused as fark, or if the article writer doesn't understand what they're being told.

I just assumed they were as confused as fark *and* the writer doesn't understand what they're being told.


Pretty safe with the sorts of articles that usually make Fark. It's Not News, It's Moronic Subjects and Amateurish Reporters.
 
2013-12-14 01:08:33 PM

Dwindle: Quantum Apostrophe:

I can't understand how people like Farkers who keep talking about colonizing the universe can't even see how different life could be right here if we had a social revolution.

We already had a social revolution, chief. That's what got us into this mess.
Remember how they said instead of the rich having all the money we should give it all to the government and they would use it to benefit us commoners?
When all is said and done, the entire US government spends around 10 trillion dollars a year, and accomplishes jack in the process.


Grossly oversimplify much?
 
2013-12-14 01:14:46 PM

Dwindle: I have always wondered why sewage isn't run in 4" pipes under roads and sidewalks. It would heat them in winter and cool them in summer, instead of maintaining a constant 70 degrees 6 feet under the earth.
Maintenance would be a biatch.


Sewage runs in gravity lines. You're at the mercy of minimum slopes - layout is far more sensitive than with pumped / pressure systems. Traveling any sort of distance would result in your being too far below the paved surface to accomplish anything, particularly when you consider that it would probably be a single 4" line, mostly empty, with occasional bursts of liquid that really isn't very hot. Look at their diagram of a snowmelt system - you have to be *right below* the surface, with a side system of narrow (more radiant) tubes filled with quite hot water.

I really don't think they know what the fark they're talking about. Running the actual waste water through your radiant tubes? Hope they enjoy tearing them up every time they fill up with crap. And I have no idea how they plan to keep those tubes filled / maintain flow and pressure. Waste lines = mostly air. Hydronic lines = essentially no air.
 
2013-12-14 01:23:41 PM
Not only does Michigan State University have them, they have signs warning you where the heated sidewalk ends.

That's the extent of my knowledge on the subject, though.
 
2013-12-14 01:27:23 PM
More surprised they don't have this already. Any city with a central steam plant has done this since the beginning.

Hell, the university I went to had it's own steam plant and they ran all of the return lines right below the main walks - just like you're supposed to.
 
2013-12-14 01:58:28 PM
Saskatoon? Wear the fox hat.

http://youtu.be/kb0kiiB3O-o
 
2013-12-14 02:17:57 PM
Ah, Sunny Saskatoon, the sunniest town in Canada.

Which in the Winter time means it is colder than the Hub of Hell.

Conservative Canadians want something done about global warming. They want it hurried up.
 
2013-12-14 02:22:07 PM

wichitaleaf: This message is what having the US provide your military defense gets you.


Wake up and smell the coffee. The USA has troops in 148 of the world's 192 countries. We're the only one that is not trying to kill you.

We don't need no stinking proction. We have the two greatest generals in history, who even defeated Napoleon: General Janvier and General Fevrier.
 
2013-12-15 11:06:26 AM
Milwaukee has had this in certain sections for decades, probably 60 years or so.  Mainly in areas historically controlled by the gas company offices to show how easy life could be if gas-heated sidewalks were used everywhere.

Those areas are the best in winter since there's no packed snow anywhere.  And the people suggesting there would be frozen pools of runoff everywhere?  Never been an issue, and I work next to the old gaslight building.
 
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