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(National Geographic)   Turns out there was a bit of a cover up involving the Roanoke colonists   (news.nationalgeographic.com) divider line 90
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2013-12-13 10:17:17 PM  
One of my favorite mysteries.
 
2013-12-13 11:36:03 PM  
No one noticed until now that there were two patches on the map?  Or no one got curious about them before now?  Seriously?
 
2013-12-13 11:50:22 PM  
Ichabod Crane solved it.
 
2013-12-13 11:59:02 PM  
Of course there was. Dr. Crowley needed to feed and didn't want to be discovered.
 
2013-12-14 12:18:51 AM  
Did it involve the Eater Of Souls?
 
2013-12-14 12:27:49 AM  
They were abducted by aliens.
 
2013-12-14 01:13:15 AM  

SilentStrider: Did it involve the Eater Of Souls?


I like the way Utenka
 
2013-12-14 01:41:09 AM  
Remote-sensing techniques

I don't believe in ESP.
 
2013-12-14 01:42:09 AM  
Croatians demanded that I register
 
2013-12-14 01:44:09 AM  
tl/dr;

So did they find anything at all? They found a farking spot on an old map. Congratulations, you solved the mystery.
 
2013-12-14 01:44:41 AM  
Uh, we'll need another 500K to explore this.
 
2013-12-14 01:48:43 AM  

Krymson Tyde: They were abducted by aliens reverse vampires.


This and Amelia Earhart, c'mon people we're just never going to know the answer. Something catastrophic happened and they didn't have enough left for a community and not enough supplies to wait for relief. They probably broke up into more than one group, headed different directions, and few if any survived very far beyond that. And any few who may have survived left no record or compelling evidence we're likely to find. Seems to me there are more productive places to spend archaeological efforts.
 
2013-12-14 01:51:19 AM  
Maybe they became members of one of the tribes and went on with life; or they were eaten......umm good.
 
2013-12-14 01:52:22 AM  
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2013-12-14 01:56:20 AM  
they were devoured by cthulhu and sleep with the fishes...er...octopi
 
2013-12-14 01:56:26 AM  
What is the big deal with this mystery? Either they got killed by the natives/exposure or they bred with the natives. Even as a history enthusiast I find it boring.
 
2013-12-14 02:00:21 AM  
I blame Bill and Ted.
 
2013-12-14 02:00:54 AM  
Pretty sure this has already been solved and covered by Stuff You Should Know. The fact that they found local tribes with 2 story European structures and tribal children with blond hair who knew english a generation later pretty much solves the mystery.
 
2013-12-14 02:03:25 AM  

fusillade762: Remote-sensing techniques

I don't believe in ESP.


Or apparently the evolution of language.
 
2013-12-14 02:05:55 AM  
They 'went native'.

The Rothchilds, Illuminati and Knights of Templar are still hunting down descendants.
 
2013-12-14 02:08:08 AM  
It irks me to no end that articles full of guesses, assumptions and 'seems to me' are considered science.
 
2013-12-14 02:08:14 AM  
So according to the article it is a plausible theory that the spot on the map was covered up to protect the location's secrecy? Because they're enemies were smart enough to travel across the ocean and read maps, but not smart enough to wonder what was underneath the piece of paper glued to the map?  Not that some of them couldn't have ended up in that location, but it seems more likely that the map accidentally placed a marker in the wrong place and used their equivalent of White Out.
 
2013-12-14 02:10:04 AM  

demarke: So according to the article it is a plausible theory that the spot on the map was covered up to protect the location's secrecy? Because they're enemies were smart enough to travel across the ocean and read maps, but not smart enough to wonder what was underneath the piece of paper glued to the map?  Not that some of them couldn't have ended up in that location, but it seems more likely that the map accidentally placed a marker in the wrong place and used their equivalent of White Out.


*their enemies - it's late here
 
2013-12-14 02:10:37 AM  
But don't the Easter Island statues bear a resemblance to the early Roanoke colonists? I thought that was common knowledge...
 
2013-12-14 02:11:02 AM  
They solved this on the History Channel.....

The ancient aliens came and took them to a planet called Croatoan. Duh uh derrr, duh!
 
2013-12-14 02:13:23 AM  
And the New York Times has been covering this up as well?
 
2013-12-14 02:13:35 AM  

Fallout Boy: What is the big deal with this mystery? Either they got killed by the natives/exposure or they bred with the natives. Even as a history enthusiast I find it boring.


The big deal is over 100 people disappearing without a trace. If they got killed then where are their bodies? If they went native then why didn't they leave messages behind? And by messages I mean more than two "words".
 
2013-12-14 02:20:18 AM  
This is one of the least interesting unsolved mysteries ever.
 
2013-12-14 02:24:25 AM  
They wrote "Croatoan"

what could that possibly mean...oh yeah, they left to go to Croatoan. It's interesting to see how their leaving the colony played out, but it's pretty clear their plans were to go to Croatoan. Which is what they thought happened at the time. Hell, they didn't even go look for them, they just left. If it had just been an abandoned village that showed some signs of violence I'd buy into the "OMG what happened."

It's hard to live 3 years with no resupply when your subsistence strategy involves digging holes for gold.
 
2013-12-14 02:24:26 AM  

talkertopc: Fallout Boy: What is the big deal with this mystery? Either they got killed by the natives/exposure or they bred with the natives. Even as a history enthusiast I find it boring.

The big deal is over 100 people disappearing without a trace. If they got killed then where are their bodies? If they went native then why didn't they leave messages behind? And by messages I mean more than two "words".


You mean words that were the name of a nearby island? An island that was home to a tribe of natives, of which a good number had more 'European' features than their peers when the next batch of colonists showed up?

Yeah, it's a mystery.
 
2013-12-14 02:27:59 AM  

insertdip: Pretty sure this has already been solved and covered by Stuff You Should Know. The fact that they found local tribes with 2 story European structures and tribal children with blond hair who knew english a generation later pretty much solves the mystery.


Yeah, I've always wondered what the big deal is with this one. Their settlement was collapsing, they went and hooked up with the Croatan tribe. Besides the blond haired kids with English skills, they've found European artifacts in digs at Croatan tribal sites, for chrissakes. What more evidence do you want?
 
2013-12-14 02:29:49 AM  

LordJiro: talkertopc: Fallout Boy: What is the big deal with this mystery? Either they got killed by the natives/exposure or they bred with the natives. Even as a history enthusiast I find it boring.

The big deal is over 100 people disappearing without a trace. If they got killed then where are their bodies? If they went native then why didn't they leave messages behind? And by messages I mean more than two "words".

You mean words that were the name of a nearby island? An island that was home to a tribe of natives, of which a good number had more 'European' features than their peers when the next batch of colonists showed up?

Yeah, it's a mystery.


But Englishmen would NEVER do such things, so therefore it can't possibly be that.
 
2013-12-14 02:30:43 AM  

ciberido: I blame Bill and Ted.


Me to man. Me to.
 
2013-12-14 02:31:55 AM  
they just moved to sleepy hollow!!!


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2013-12-14 02:32:03 AM  

Piestar: It irks me to no end that articles full of guesses, assumptions and 'seems to me' are considered science.


They also failed to mention the gold English signet ring they found at Croatoan. The GPR survey is cool, but it could be anything. Give me some artifacts that date to the time and let's talk.
 
2013-12-14 02:36:09 AM  

ciberido: I blame Bill and Ted.


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2013-12-14 02:39:26 AM  

talkertopc: Fallout Boy: What is the big deal with this mystery? Either they got killed by the natives/exposure or they bred with the natives. Even as a history enthusiast I find it boring.

The big deal is over 100 people disappearing without a trace. If they got killed then where are their bodies? If they went native then why didn't they leave messages behind? And by messages I mean more than two "words".


Admittedly, we do have hundreds of accounts of people extemporizing in the middle of a crisis. It seems like an important thing to do and almost stands as its own genre of literature.

Sometimes it just never happens and this leaves investigators without an important source of information.

In the case of Roanoke, there seems to be enough evidence from the era that any one of a half dozen mundane theories fit better than an ultra lurid legend.

Having read about this kind of stuff since I was a little kid, this and a few of the other great unexplained mysteries are distinctly unappealing. The story of a lot of people dying in the woods followed by a lot of hype is sad, not sensational.
 
2013-12-14 02:39:27 AM  
The mystery has been solved for almost 200 years now.
 
2013-12-14 02:46:32 AM  

talkertopc: Fallout Boy: What is the big deal with this mystery? Either they got killed by the natives/exposure or they bred with the natives. Even as a history enthusiast I find it boring.

The big deal is over 100 people disappearing without a trace. If they got killed then where are their bodies? If they went native then why didn't they leave messages behind? And by messages I mean more than two "words".


Since there were no signs of struggle at the colony - if you were to believe that they got killed, chances are that it would be difficult to find their bodies. In those two years they couldve travelled long distances, which means that the search area for their bodies would cover the entire state and beyond. They only wrote two words because that was all that was needed to convey the message of where they will be heading, and that the people at the time werent exactly fully literate.

Together with the evidence that people have already brought up in this thread, it becomes extremely obvious that when the colonists figured they werent going to be resupplied any time soon, they decided to get the hell out of dodge, and wrote down the general area of where they are going where the natives were friendly to them. The search party wouldve likely found the colonists at Croatoan too, had they actually not wait for several decades before searching there.
 
2013-12-14 02:50:22 AM  

vossiewulf: Krymson Tyde: They were abducted by aliens reverse vampires.

This and Amelia Earhart, c'mon people we're just never going to know the answer.


Amelia Earhart got thrown into the past by the Bermuda Triangle, picked up the Roanoke colonist, and flew to California.  Her plane seeded the Thunderbird mythos.  They crashed in the Rockies and founded the Nez Perce tribe, who have always been suspiciously paler than the other Indians.
 
2013-12-14 03:02:15 AM  
the map and its spot is only the old time version of don't eat and drink around your keyboard.
 
2013-12-14 03:03:11 AM  
I'm confused.  The "disappear," leave behind the "mysterious" word Croatoan, and there's a place called "Croatan," inhabited by a people of the same name, nearby?  And this is considered a mystery?
 
2013-12-14 03:11:16 AM  

God's Bathroom Floor: I'm confused.  The "disappear," leave behind the "mysterious" word Croatoan, and there's a place called "Croatan," inhabited by a people of the same name, nearby?  And this is considered a mystery?


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2013-12-14 03:11:57 AM  

Kygz: One of my favorite mysteries.


It's not really that much of a mystery, though.  Colonies failed in the space of a few months all the time, and even the remnants being absorbed into a local tribe isn't all that unusual.

Lack of complete records on their relocation/shutdown is probably mostly down to a "fark you" to the people that failed to adequately support/resupply them, or just whoever was responsible for the company books dying or bringing them along to the new location.
 
2013-12-14 03:14:50 AM  
Wouldn't you think if English settlers went to live with a tribe they would have left written accounts of their actions? Is the cover-up being perpetuated by the Native North Carolinians?
 
2013-12-14 03:18:34 AM  

tarheel07: Wouldn't you think if English settlers went to live with a tribe they would have left written accounts of their actions? Is the cover-up being perpetuated by the Native North Carolinians?


tarheel07: Wouldn't you think if English settlers went to live with a tribe they would have left written accounts of their actions? Is the cover-up being perpetuated by the Native North Carolinians?


i blame reavers... get everyone into the vault...
 
2013-12-14 03:18:37 AM  

cptjeff: insertdip: Pretty sure this has already been solved and covered by Stuff You Should Know. The fact that they found local tribes with 2 story European structures and tribal children with blond hair who knew english a generation later pretty much solves the mystery.

Yeah, I've always wondered what the big deal is with this one. Their settlement was collapsing, they went and hooked up with the Croatan tribe. Besides the blond haired kids with English skills, they've found European artifacts in digs at Croatan tribal sites, for chrissakes. What more evidence do you want?


Bah, you guys beat me to it. Roanoke is such a shiatty, already solved mystery that I just refuse to talk about it in person. I've heard so many conspiracy theories around it that it's farking ridiculous. I actually giggled my way through the "Sleepy Hollow" episode focused on it, and I love that show. Good episode too, but I couldn't stop thinking about what I know about it.

/wasn't Ichabod Crane a farking school teacher?
//He's much cooler as a proto-secret agent for Washington sent forward in time after being put in suspended animation by his witch wife because he's one of the Witnesses to the Apocalypse.
///and the fact that I just typed the above sentence sincerely is farking proof the future is here and it's awesome.
 
2013-12-14 03:29:57 AM  
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2013-12-14 03:51:16 AM  

cptjeff: insertdip: Pretty sure this has already been solved and covered by Stuff You Should Know. The fact that they found local tribes with 2 story European structures and tribal children with blond hair who knew english a generation later pretty much solves the mystery.

Yeah, I've always wondered what the big deal is with this one. Their settlement was collapsing, they went and hooked up with the Croatan tribe. Besides the blond haired kids with English skills, they've found European artifacts in digs at Croatan tribal sites, for chrissakes. What more evidence do you want?


None of that sounds particularly convincing to me. Every race has albinos. 2-story structures hardly seem like some amazing European technology that the American natives couldn't do, maybe they were copying them. I'd think a generation later lots of tribal people might have started learning English, it's not like the Europeans were leaving. And maybe they killed the settlers and stole all those artifacts?
 
2013-12-14 04:25:24 AM  

Confabulat: cptjeff: insertdip: Pretty sure this has already been solved and covered by Stuff You Should Know. The fact that they found local tribes with 2 story European structures and tribal children with blond hair who knew english a generation later pretty much solves the mystery.

Yeah, I've always wondered what the big deal is with this one. Their settlement was collapsing, they went and hooked up with the Croatan tribe. Besides the blond haired kids with English skills, they've found European artifacts in digs at Croatan tribal sites, for chrissakes. What more evidence do you want?

None of that sounds particularly convincing to me. Every race has albinos. 2-story structures hardly seem like some amazing European technology that the American natives couldn't do, maybe they were copying them. I'd think a generation later lots of tribal people might have started learning English, it's not like the Europeans were leaving. And maybe they killed the settlers and stole all those artifacts?


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