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2013-12-13 10:58:59 PM  

udhq: You eat it/use the pelt?  Fine.  Deer populations need to be managed.  I would never choose to do it myself, but as long as you respect the animal, I can accept it.

But you kill an animal for a farking trophy, especially a large endangered animal?  You deserve to be hollowed out and made into a douche-skin rug.


See my post above.  It's the trophy hunters who spend the most on things like preserving habitat.

I'm not a trophy hunter myself.  My only "trophy" is a knife handle made out of one of the antlers of the first deer I ever shot (3 pointer).  Since the littlebopper and distaffbopper don't care for venison, I give most of it away when I do get a deer.  But I know some trophy hunters, and they tend to be the ones who take it more seriously than the others.

It was hunters looking for trophies that started the whole conservation movement to bring hunting under federal and state regulation, to keep the subsistence hunters and market hunters from hunting the deer to extinction, like they did with the passenger pigeon and nearly did with the bison.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-13 11:02:06 PM  

tuxq: AutumnWind: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

Agreed. It would just make me sick to my stomach. The exact opposite of a thrill.

So I take it that you're both women. Look, we know you don't like doing it. That's what we've evolved to do it over millions of years.


I take offense to that. I am a guy. I am trained and likely more proficient with my 24 than you can scarcely imagine.
Certainly better at a distance than most hunters could hope to function at all.
I will never shoot an animal. I shoot only targets. I feel no need to cause death with my rifle, and it would take an unthinkable situation for that to change.

And I like shooting. And I like TEACHING kids to do so safely, respectfully and proficiently. I get to tutor in math, physics and discipline all in one.
 
2013-12-13 11:03:12 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

They're sociopaths


What's wrong with it?  Man is a predator, and has been for millions of years.  We evolved that way.  Unless, of course, you deny evolution and think the world was created by God 6,000 years ago.
 
2013-12-13 11:04:34 PM  

lifeboat: I was going to take up deer hunting when I lived in Wisconsin, but I just couldn't bring myself to spend that much time out there hoping for a shot.  So I took up cow hunting instead.  Much, much easier.  You gotta do it at night, though, because the folks at the petting zoo get really pissed.


Go stalk hunting. I never sit in a blind or tree stand.

Stalk hunting requires more skill in some ways, but it sure isn't piss boring like stand or blind hunting.
 
2013-12-13 11:04:39 PM  

gja: tuxq: AutumnWind: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

Agreed. It would just make me sick to my stomach. The exact opposite of a thrill.

So I take it that you're both women. Look, we know you don't like doing it. That's what we've evolved to do it over millions of years.

I take offense to that. I am a guy. I am trained and likely more proficient with my 24 than you can scarcely imagine.
Certainly better at a distance than most hunters could hope to function at all.
I will never shoot an animal. I shoot only targets. I feel no need to cause death with my rifle, and it would take an unthinkable situation for that to change.

And I like shooting. And I like TEACHING kids to do so safely, respectfully and proficiently. I get to tutor in math, physics and discipline all in one.


What he's saying is that he understands why hunting would make a woman sick to her stomach, much like the thought of gardening makes me sick to mine.  I like to eat vegetables, but I want no part in growing or gathering them.
 
2013-12-13 11:06:17 PM  

CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.


Likely because you've never tried it.

Deer evolved as prey animal.  Humans evolved as a predator.  We are just filling out respective destinies.
 
2013-12-13 11:07:54 PM  

Molavian: What he's saying is that he understands why hunting would make a woman sick to her stomach, much like the thought of gardening makes me sick to mine.  I like to eat vegetables, but I want no part in growing or gathering them.


lol
 
2013-12-13 11:08:47 PM  

inglixthemad: lifeboat: I was going to take up deer hunting when I lived in Wisconsin, but I just couldn't bring myself to spend that much time out there hoping for a shot.  So I took up cow hunting instead.  Much, much easier.  You gotta do it at night, though, because the folks at the petting zoo get really pissed.

Go stalk hunting. I never sit in a blind or tree stand.

Stalk hunting requires more skill in some ways, but it sure isn't piss boring like stand or blind hunting.


I won't hunt in a tree stand.  Occasionally I'll wait in a natural blind in an area I know is good, but mostly I stalk.

If you go more than a few hundred yards in an hour, you're going way too fast.
 
2013-12-13 11:08:58 PM  

dittybopper: Why?

Seriously, why?


No, no, all your points are well made.

I'm talking about the guys who go to Africa to shoot a tiger that's tethered in a fenced enclosure.

People like Donald Trump's psychotic spawn.
 
2013-12-13 11:11:37 PM  

Cyno01: a particular individual: cynicalminion: *boop*[img.fark.net image 850x494]

Unfortunately, they cut the scene where the hunter guts Bambi's mom.

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Does that work on humans also
 
2013-12-13 11:14:06 PM  

dittybopper: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

They're sociopaths

What's wrong with it?  Man is a predator, and has been for millions of years.  We evolved that way.  Unless, of course, you deny evolution and think the world was created by God 6,000 years ago.


Dont argue with Dow Jones....he believes that meat in its natural state lives on a Styrofoam tray covered in plastic wrap.
 
2013-12-13 11:14:48 PM  
This is why you don't release wild back into the wild unless you installed the fear of Gwad into them before release
 
2013-12-13 11:16:53 PM  

Calmamity: dittybopper: Why?

Seriously, why?

No, no, all your points are well made.

I'm talking about the guys who go to Africa to shoot a tiger that's tethered in a fenced enclosure.

People like Donald Trump's psychotic spawn.


That's just anti hunting propaganda.

I've known a number of people who have made the trip to Africa to hunt big game. Some have even walked away empty handed.
 
2013-12-13 11:26:57 PM  

gja: tuxq: AutumnWind: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

Agreed. It would just make me sick to my stomach. The exact opposite of a thrill.

So I take it that you're both women. Look, we know you don't like doing it. That's what we've evolved to do it over millions of years.

I take offense to that. I am a guy. I am trained and likely more proficient with my 24 than you can scarcely imagine.
Certainly better at a distance than most hunters could hope to function at all.
I will never shoot an animal. I shoot only targets. I feel no need to cause death with my rifle, and it would take an unthinkable situation for that to change.

And I like shooting. And I like TEACHING kids to do so safely, respectfully and proficiently. I get to tutor in math, physics and discipline all in one.


I'm not sure how my post was relavant to your nut flexing, but thanks for that I guess.
 
2013-12-13 11:27:40 PM  

Kalashinator: godxam: Deer is probably deaf.

Bingo. Was at a shooting range touching off a 7mm Rem Mag with several chipmunks scampering around about 6ft in front of and below me, totally unfazed by the shots. A doe and a few turkeys kept eating the grass seed about 150 yards downrange, and they didn't notice bullets passing a few yards behind them from the guy in another lane. Deaf, dumb or ballsy.


But he sure plays some mean pinball...
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-13 11:28:31 PM  

Molavian: gja: tuxq: AutumnWind: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

Agreed. It would just make me sick to my stomach. The exact opposite of a thrill.

So I take it that you're both women. Look, we know you don't like doing it. That's what we've evolved to do it over millions of years.

I take offense to that. I am a guy. I am trained and likely more proficient with my 24 than you can scarcely imagine.
Certainly better at a distance than most hunters could hope to function at all.
I will never shoot an animal. I shoot only targets. I feel no need to cause death with my rifle, and it would take an unthinkable situation for that to change.

And I like shooting. And I like TEACHING kids to do so safely, respectfully and proficiently. I get to tutor in math, physics and discipline all in one.

What he's saying is that he understands why hunting would make a woman sick to her stomach, much like the thought of gardening makes me sick to mine.  I like to eat vegetables, but I want no part in growing or gathering them.


Again, that's silly and baseless. I love growing tomatoes, squash, basil, etc.
Also, I know and am friendly with several ladies who hunt. And it still is a puzzlement to me.
I find no challenge in it whatsoever. That perhaps stems from my approach. I would use the same training for all tasks involving my rifle.
Lay a few hundred to several hundred yards out and they never hear the shot that deprived them of their life.
Probably not very sporting, I guess. But that's what I am used to.

As far as hunting for food, I have no issue there except.......
Can you all tell me you can ascertain all manners of disease in those beasts? I know I could not.
Give me the willys, frankly, to think of chomping into some cancerous carcass. BLEH. I like inspected stuff. We evolved to that better state.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-13 11:29:22 PM  

tuxq: gja: tuxq: AutumnWind: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

Agreed. It would just make me sick to my stomach. The exact opposite of a thrill.

So I take it that you're both women. Look, we know you don't like doing it. That's what we've evolved to do it over millions of years.

I take offense to that. I am a guy. I am trained and likely more proficient with my 24 than you can scarcely imagine.
Certainly better at a distance than most hunters could hope to function at all.
I will never shoot an animal. I shoot only targets. I feel no need to cause death with my rifle, and it would take an unthinkable situation for that to change.

And I like shooting. And I like TEACHING kids to do so safely, respectfully and proficiently. I get to tutor in math, physics and discipline all in one.

I'm not sure how my post was relavant to your nut flexing, but thanks for that I guess.


You intimated it was 'unmanly' or some such testosteronical nonsense.
 
2013-12-13 11:29:44 PM  

dittybopper: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

They're sociopaths

What's wrong with it?  Man is a predator, and has been for millions of years.  We evolved that way.  Unless, of course, you deny evolution and think the world was created by God 6,000 years ago.


Evolution gave us big brains so we no longer need to be shackled by it. Unless, of course, you deny free will.
 
2013-12-13 11:33:13 PM  
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2013-12-13 11:33:26 PM  

dittybopper: Calmamity: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

It's not my thing either, but I have no problem with people hunting for food.

Trophy hunters, on the other hand, can fu*k off.

Why?

Seriously, why?  Because they'll pass up a 6 pointer because it's too small?

In the pantheon of hunters, the one you should be celebrating is the trophy hunter.  He's the one most likely to be dropping a large amount of cash to preserve habitat so he can hunt that monster buck, and it's not just the deer that benefit from that.

People who hunt just for food are worse, imho.  They, along with market hunters, were the ones that caused the crash of whitetail deer populations until regulations were enacted and enforced by "trophy hunters" back in the early 1900s.

Now that the people who shoot deer just for food have to follow the same ethical rules that trophy hunters set for them, and market hunting (ie., hunting to sell their meat and hides) has been outlawed completely, deer have bounced to the point where they are more numerous now than when Europeans first set foot on the continent.

And it was the people who wanted a Boone and Crockett or Pope and Young sized trophy that you can thank for that.


Sort of this. 

 While I'm not focused on trophies, I do recognize that it was the trophy hunters who put the bucks into wildlife management (see what I did there?) 

 However, I wouldn't hit the people hunting for food. That's what predators do. And now that we have a better idea of wildlife management, everyone follows the same laws which is fair and reasonable. The hunters who hunt for food are not worse than the trophy hunters and contribute to preservation too.
 
2013-12-13 11:34:02 PM  
Not that unusual, have had to stop firing at local range for deer walking on the field lots of times.
 
2013-12-13 11:37:52 PM  

gja: Molavian: gja: tuxq: AutumnWind: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

Agreed. It would just make me sick to my stomach. The exact opposite of a thrill.

So I take it that you're both women. Look, we know you don't like doing it. That's what we've evolved to do it over millions of years.

I take offense to that. I am a guy. I am trained and likely more proficient with my 24 than you can scarcely imagine.
Certainly better at a distance than most hunters could hope to function at all.
I will never shoot an animal. I shoot only targets. I feel no need to cause death with my rifle, and it would take an unthinkable situation for that to change.

And I like shooting. And I like TEACHING kids to do so safely, respectfully and proficiently. I get to tutor in math, physics and discipline all in one.

What he's saying is that he understands why hunting would make a woman sick to her stomach, much like the thought of gardening makes me sick to mine.  I like to eat vegetables, but I want no part in growing or gathering them.

Again, that's silly and baseless. I love growing tomatoes, squash, basil, etc.
Also, I know and am friendly with several ladies who hunt. And it still is a puzzlement to me.
I find no challenge in it whatsoever. That perhaps stems from my approach. I would use the same training for all tasks involving my rifle.
Lay a few hundred to several hundred yards out and they never hear the shot that deprived them of their life.
Probably not very sporting, I guess. But that's what I am used to.

As far as hunting for food, I have no issue there except.......
Can you all tell me you can ascertain all manners of disease in those beasts? I know I could not.
Give me the willys, frankly, to think of chomping into some cancerous carcass. BLEH. I like inspected stuff. We evolved to that better state.


Are you a botanist?  How do you know that your tomatoes or squash aren't tainted by some form of tumor or lesion?  or aren't tainted with some deadly form of bacteria?   Only thing you really need to worry about on game meat is Chronic Wasting Disease and you can generally tell when an animal is suffering from that.   And just because the meat you buy at the store is "inspected" doesn't make it any safer or cleaner than the meat that any competent hunter can put on the table.
 
2013-12-13 11:41:11 PM  

gja: tuxq: gja: tuxq: AutumnWind: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

Agreed. It would just make me sick to my stomach. The exact opposite of a thrill.

So I take it that you're both women. Look, we know you don't like doing it. That's what we've evolved to do it over millions of years.

I take offense to that. I am a guy. I am trained and likely more proficient with my 24 than you can scarcely imagine.
Certainly better at a distance than most hunters could hope to function at all.
I will never shoot an animal. I shoot only targets. I feel no need to cause death with my rifle, and it would take an unthinkable situation for that to change.

And I like shooting. And I like TEACHING kids to do so safely, respectfully and proficiently. I get to tutor in math, physics and discipline all in one.

I'm not sure how my post was relavant to your nut flexing, but thanks for that I guess.

You intimated it was 'unmanly' or some such testosteronical nonsense.


Oh did I? I believe you missed the point. It was an acknowledgement that hunting is distasteful to most women and I respect them for it. I'd rather have a sweet lady than someone who has too much in common with me. Men need buffers. Like a good buckshot load. And on that tangent of a note, it's dinner time.
 
2013-12-13 11:41:27 PM  

dittybopper: Seriously, why? Because they'll pass up a 6 pointer because it's too small?


Because trophy hunters fixate on size, culling the most viable and valuable members from a population and causing the population to develop in less healthy ways or to crash and burn. Then there is the hunting populations to death just for a chance at one of the last of an animal before they're all gone. Some trophy hunters contribute to conservation efforts, most just don't give a goddamn and will leave an animal to rot so long as they can take a big ol' head home.
 
2013-12-13 11:41:46 PM  
Kill it with rapid fire! 🔫
 
2013-12-13 11:41:54 PM  
It's not uncommon for animals to become accustomed to gunshot, and for others the become aware of its impending doom.  However, if its parental figure is not available to teach them BOOM! Is a bad thing, then they won't grasp what the severity of the situation might be.  Salutes to the shooters that had the wherewithall to realize this (they must not have been city boys) and let it be.
 
2013-12-13 11:43:07 PM  
RUN BAMBI RUN!!
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2013-12-13 11:44:31 PM  

Giltric: Calmamity: dittybopper: Why?

Seriously, why?

No, no, all your points are well made.

I'm talking about the guys who go to Africa to shoot a tiger that's tethered in a fenced enclosure.

People like Donald Trump's psychotic spawn.

That's just anti hunting propaganda.

I've known a number of people who have made the trip to Africa to hunt big game. Some have even walked away empty handed.


well, it is RINO season...
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-13 11:48:37 PM  

Eponymous: gja: Molavian: gja: tuxq: AutumnWind: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

Agreed. It would just make me sick to my stomach. The exact opposite of a thrill.

So I take it that you're both women. Look, we know you don't like doing it. That's what we've evolved to do it over millions of years.

I take offense to that. I am a guy. I am trained and likely more proficient with my 24 than you can scarcely imagine.
Certainly better at a distance than most hunters could hope to function at all.
I will never shoot an animal. I shoot only targets. I feel no need to cause death with my rifle, and it would take an unthinkable situation for that to change.

And I like shooting. And I like TEACHING kids to do so safely, respectfully and proficiently. I get to tutor in math, physics and discipline all in one.

What he's saying is that he understands why hunting would make a woman sick to her stomach, much like the thought of gardening makes me sick to mine.  I like to eat vegetables, but I want no part in growing or gathering them.

Again, that's silly and baseless. I love growing tomatoes, squash, basil, etc.
Also, I know and am friendly with several ladies who hunt. And it still is a puzzlement to me.
I find no challenge in it whatsoever. That perhaps stems from my approach. I would use the same training for all tasks involving my rifle.
Lay a few hundred to several hundred yards out and they never hear the shot that deprived them of their life.
Probably not very sporting, I guess. But that's what I am used to.

As far as hunting for food, I have no issue there except.......
Can you all tell me you can ascertain all manners of disease in those beasts? I know I could not.
Give me the willys, frankly, to think of chomping into some cancerous carcass. BLEH. I like inspected stuff. We evolved to that better state.

Are you a botanist?  How do you know that your tomatoes or squash aren't tainted by some form of tumor or les ...


Point taken on the meat. There could be some real lax controls, but I shop either at the butcher I have known for my whole life, or a market that in noted for their very tight QC (major national, not gonna make a plug for them, term for golf course area).

I use only graded and selected seeds. Pretty tight controls on those packs. But I suppose for arguments sake anything is possible. Just not too likely. I don't need to be a botanist, the clearinghouse I get my seed from is staffed to the gills with them. That's why they cost so much more than the crap you get at a nursery or mail-order. They also grow more/larger/better crops. You get what you pay for in life.

Like I said, cool by me if you chose to hunt for food. No problemo there, I can understand. Trophy, not so much.
But to state "So I take it that you're both women. Look, we know you don't like doing it. That's what we've evolved to do it over millions of years." in an thinly veiled slight that any man who dare not like hunting/killing is not really a man, is the epitome of asinine and I call it out.
 
2013-12-13 11:50:56 PM  
"Yee-haw! Get 'im, Bubba!". These guys are probably salivating at the thought that next year, when that semi-tame fawn is legal, they can come back and collect the easy pickin's.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-13 11:53:12 PM  

tuxq: gja: tuxq: gja: tuxq: AutumnWind: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

Agreed. It would just make me sick to my stomach. The exact opposite of a thrill.

So I take it that you're both women. Look, we know you don't like doing it. That's what we've evolved to do it over millions of years.

I take offense to that. I am a guy. I am trained and likely more proficient with my 24 than you can scarcely imagine.
Certainly better at a distance than most hunters could hope to function at all.
I will never shoot an animal. I shoot only targets. I feel no need to cause death with my rifle, and it would take an unthinkable situation for that to change.

And I like shooting. And I like TEACHING kids to do so safely, respectfully and proficiently. I get to tutor in math, physics and discipline all in one.

I'm not sure how my post was relavant to your nut flexing, but thanks for that I guess.

You intimated it was 'unmanly' or some such testosteronical nonsense.

Oh did I? I believe you missed the point. It was an acknowledgement that hunting is distasteful to most women and I respect them for it. I'd rather have a sweet lady than someone who has too much in common with me. Men need buffers. Like a good buckshot load. And on that tangent of a note, it's dinner time.


OK, I did not get that from the way it was written. But that's still kinda sexist, no?
Hell, I still wonder why they call women the gentler sex. Ever see the discount racks at the holiday sales?
I would not go there with an armed escort. And women hunt damned well from the ones I know. One in particular is 5 foot nothing, blonde, perky little soccer mom, who just happens to bag whatever she goes after. She scares me, man.
 
2013-12-13 11:53:23 PM  

gadian: dittybopper: Seriously, why? Because they'll pass up a 6 pointer because it's too small?

Because trophy hunters fixate on size, culling the most viable and valuable members from a population and causing the population to develop in less healthy ways or to crash and burn. Then there is the hunting populations to death just for a chance at one of the last of an animal before they're all gone. Some trophy hunters contribute to conservation efforts, most just don't give a goddamn and will leave an animal to rot so long as they can take a big ol' head home.


Hmm... I'm no expert but food hunters aren't going to take the sickly looking ones, I'll wager.
 
2013-12-13 11:58:07 PM  

CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.


ever break a cheap china plate on the linoleum? like that
 
2013-12-14 12:00:45 AM  

CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.


Try hitting one at 60mph when it tries crossing the highway, you'll think they're a lot less beautiful when you're cleaning deer shiat and broken glass out of your lap.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-14 12:00:53 AM  

Jument: gadian: dittybopper: Seriously, why? Because they'll pass up a 6 pointer because it's too small?

Because trophy hunters fixate on size, culling the most viable and valuable members from a population and causing the population to develop in less healthy ways or to crash and burn. Then there is the hunting populations to death just for a chance at one of the last of an animal before they're all gone. Some trophy hunters contribute to conservation efforts, most just don't give a goddamn and will leave an animal to rot so long as they can take a big ol' head home.

Hmm... I'm no expert but food hunters aren't going to take the sickly looking ones, I'll wager.


No, but they WILL shoot the nice plump fat ones even if they have no antlers.
 
2013-12-14 12:09:06 AM  

dittybopper: inglixthemad: lifeboat: I was going to take up deer hunting when I lived in Wisconsin, but I just couldn't bring myself to spend that much time out there hoping for a shot.  So I took up cow hunting instead.  Much, much easier.  You gotta do it at night, though, because the folks at the petting zoo get really pissed.

Go stalk hunting. I never sit in a blind or tree stand.

Stalk hunting requires more skill in some ways, but it sure isn't piss boring like stand or blind hunting.

I won't hunt in a tree stand.  Occasionally I'll wait in a natural blind in an area I know is good, but mostly I stalk.

If you go more than a few hundred yards in an hour, you're going way too fast.


That's the truth. Even if you don't get anything, you're at least honing your skills. Nothing like being in a tree stand for hours on end with someone who won't stop saying: "What was that? Did you see that?"
 
2013-12-14 12:11:10 AM  

Calmamity: dittybopper: Why?

Seriously, why?

No, no, all your points are well made.

I'm talking about the guys who go to Africa to shoot a tiger that's tethered in a fenced enclosure.

People like Donald Trump's psychotic spawn.


A tiger, in Africa?
 
2013-12-14 12:11:36 AM  

Calmamity: CarrieWhite: I have no idea how anyone could get a thrill from shooting these beautiful animals.

It's not my thing either, but I have no problem with people hunting for food.

Trophy hunters, on the other hand, can fu*k off.


Oh, fark you both.  Deer are four-legged furry and cute rats.  They are a nuisance without any natural predators in civilized areas beyond humans.  They are herd animals, and they are usually culled by a carnivore population.  We don't HAVE a carnivore population in most of the US beyond humans.  Yeah, lament that we killed off the predators, but it's still true.

A number of deer need to be killed each year, period.  In some rural areas during hunting season, that number is enough to balance out their normal loss rate per year.  In suburban areas without a yearly hunt - they populate too much  Either get your local government to cull them or expand the hunting license for more than two weeks.  Or sterilize the females, which is what they are doing in Northern Virginia.  Either way, they aren't beautiful - they are herd animals that breed like rats.  Who farking likes rats?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-14 12:13:09 AM  

EJ25T: dittybopper: inglixthemad: lifeboat: I was going to take up deer hunting when I lived in Wisconsin, but I just couldn't bring myself to spend that much time out there hoping for a shot.  So I took up cow hunting instead.  Much, much easier.  You gotta do it at night, though, because the folks at the petting zoo get really pissed.

Go stalk hunting. I never sit in a blind or tree stand.

Stalk hunting requires more skill in some ways, but it sure isn't piss boring like stand or blind hunting.

I won't hunt in a tree stand.  Occasionally I'll wait in a natural blind in an area I know is good, but mostly I stalk.

If you go more than a few hundred yards in an hour, you're going way too fast.

That's the truth. Even if you don't get anything, you're at least honing your skills. Nothing like being in a tree stand for hours on end with someone who won't stop saying: "What was that? Did you see that?"


I really had to GS "tree stand". I thought you guys were yammering about something to keep 'em from falling over.
So, lemme get this straight......
Knuckleheads sit up in these things and expect game to just waltz by?
Larf.
 
2013-12-14 12:23:01 AM  
Cheap, healthy, organic, cage-free, hormone / growth stimulant-free, antibiotic-free, grass-fed meat from an animal killed as quickly and humanely has humanly possible? Hell yeah that gives me a thrill.
 
2013-12-14 12:23:15 AM  

gadian: hen there is the hunting populations to death just for a chance at one of the last of an animal before they're all gone.


You realize that deer populations are very healthy and are in no danger of becoming 'gone', right?
 
2013-12-14 12:23:50 AM  

dittybopper: udhq: You eat it/use the pelt?  Fine.  Deer populations need to be managed.  I would never choose to do it myself, but as long as you respect the animal, I can accept it.

But you kill an animal for a farking trophy, especially a large endangered animal?  You deserve to be hollowed out and made into a douche-skin rug.

See my post above.  It's the trophy hunters who spend the most on things like preserving habitat.

I'm not a trophy hunter myself.  My only "trophy" is a knife handle made out of one of the antlers of the first deer I ever shot (3 pointer).  Since the littlebopper and distaffbopper don't care for venison, I give most of it away when I do get a deer.  But I know some trophy hunters, and they tend to be the ones who take it more seriously than the others.

It was hunters looking for trophies that started the whole conservation movement to bring hunting under federal and state regulation, to keep the subsistence hunters and market hunters from hunting the deer to extinction, like they did with the passenger pigeon and nearly did with the bison.


I've told this story before but it bears repeating: I ran into a land owner along the Finger Lakes Trail who told me that another land owner at the top of the (big) hill had been caught/fined by the DEC for killing multiple deer, taking the trophies, and dumping the bodies in a creek bed that drains into the watershed.

Sure, some trophy hunters are probably good people and fight to preserve land.

Some however are absolute scumbags who should have their access to firearms revoked. I saw a truck on their property parked in the tree line the night BEFORE bow hunting season started this fall. Undoubtedly they were out hunting that evening.

Please don't paint hunters with such a broad brush. And for the record, I'm more than happy to eat venison, and my ex hit two deer in one season, totaling his car on the second, because they are common around here so I am aware the population needs to be managed. They're pretty but they're also kinda dumb, yet that doesn't mean they deserve to be killed merely for their heads to be stuffed and mounted on a wall.

Also someone mentioned 'maybe those deer were diseased', but I've looked into it and the illness mentioned at the time was never a thing around here. It was assholes with no conscious, plain and simple.
 
2013-12-14 12:25:08 AM  

gja: Knuckleheads sit up in these things and expect game to just waltz by?


Yep, I take it you don't spend much time in the woods.  If you get out every once in a while away from the malls, you might see how many deer there are in the river-bottoms and riparian areas.
 
2013-12-14 12:28:08 AM  

ladyfortuna: ve told this story before but it bears repeating: I ran into a land owner along the Finger Lakes Trail who told me that another land owner at the top of the (big) hill had been caught/fined by the DEC for killing multiple deer, taking the trophies, and dumping the bodies in a creek bed that drains into the watershed.


Wasting of meat for big game is illegal in nearly every state.  Even if you trophy hunt, it is always proper to take care of the meat.  If you don't want it, donate it to those that do.

/yes, there are jerk hunters just as there are jerk folks in any other population of humans.
 
2013-12-14 12:38:11 AM  

fusillade762: Evolution gave us big brains so we no longer need to be shackled by it. Unless, of course, you deny free will.


Well, we can grow our food via domicile ungulates that require constant care, antibiotics, are subject to strict government regulation, taxes, need to be fattened before slaughter in enclosed pens standing in their own waste, fattened on genetically modified feed, slaughtered by illegal aliens and sold in neat little Styrofoam and plastic packages so that the public never really understands what goes into making said hamburger.

Or we can kill, slaughter and butcher wild meat that has never known a fence.  My free really leans toward the latter.

Any more dumb statements on free will?
 
2013-12-14 12:40:58 AM  

gja: EJ25T: dittybopper: inglixthemad: lifeboat: I was going to take up deer hunting when I lived in Wisconsin, but I just couldn't bring myself to spend that much time out there hoping for a shot.  So I took up cow hunting instead.  Much, much easier.  You gotta do it at night, though, because the folks at the petting zoo get really pissed.

Go stalk hunting. I never sit in a blind or tree stand.

Stalk hunting requires more skill in some ways, but it sure isn't piss boring like stand or blind hunting.

I won't hunt in a tree stand.  Occasionally I'll wait in a natural blind in an area I know is good, but mostly I stalk.

If you go more than a few hundred yards in an hour, you're going way too fast.

That's the truth. Even if you don't get anything, you're at least honing your skills. Nothing like being in a tree stand for hours on end with someone who won't stop saying: "What was that? Did you see that?"

I really had to GS "tree stand". I thought you guys were yammering about something to keep 'em from falling over.
So, lemme get this straight......
Knuckleheads sit up in these things and expect game to just waltz by?
Larf.



Shooting down towards the ground instead of towards the horizon....sounds pretty safe to hunt from a deer stand, except for the dozing off and falling out part.

There will probably be a few deer hunkered down in my bushes tomorrow morning when I go for a run. There will inevitably be some plastic bumper pieces, reflectors and other accident debris this week along the road from people hitting them with cars. And the inevitable deer with double compound fracture trying to stand up and a rotting carcass every 1/4 mile etc...

The farmers are losing half their crops to them and are asking landowners to go into the red tag program where you can take them year round.

Some municipalities discourage hunting. Instead of offering people, who would more than likely eat what they kill, a license/tag at 20$-30$ a pop they call in a "sharpshooter" company that kill a couple thousand deer and lets them rot where they drop for $250k-300k in billable hours/services.
 
2013-12-14 12:47:31 AM  

HeadLever: fusillade762: Evolution gave us big brains so we no longer need to be shackled by it. Unless, of course, you deny free will.

Well, we can grow our food via domicile ungulates that require constant care, antibiotics, are subject to strict government regulation, taxes, need to be fattened before slaughter in enclosed pens standing in their own waste, fattened on genetically modified feed, slaughtered by illegal aliens and sold in neat little Styrofoam and plastic packages so that the public never really understands what goes into making said hamburger.

Or we can kill, slaughter and butcher wild meat that has never known a fence.  My free really leans toward the latter.

Any more dumb statements on free will?


My inlaws have cows that they... feed. Mostly grass/hay, grain as a treat or bribe. That's about it. They live in a big pasture, mate, birth, die in the same pasture unless they get moved for whatever reason, which is rare. They're lean and absolutely delicious.

They don't 'require' constant care or antibiotics, because those are cash/factory farm tricks to maximize herd size for profit. They've had two or three butchered since I moved here in 2008, the meat has been split between a few of their kids, and I think we might still have some steaks from the guy I used to help feed.

So... maybe temper your hatred of 'farmed' meat and realize there are degrees to this discussion.
 
2013-12-14 12:49:53 AM  
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There's a lot of this in this thread.

/hot like buck steaks
 
2013-12-14 12:53:09 AM  

ladyfortuna: My inlaws have cows that they... feed. Mostly grass/hay, grain as a treat or bribe. That's about it. They live in a big pasture, mate, birth, die in the same pasture unless they get moved for whatever reason, which is rare. They're lean and absolutely delicious.


And that is fine.  In any case, I hope you realize that this type of beef only represents a fraction of how beef is process here in the US.  Even if they are grass/pasture/public land grazed during most of their lives; when sold for slaughter, they get shipped to the nearest feedlot for a month or so of fattening by corn and then slaughtered.

I love the folks that buy grass fed beef and butcher them right then and there.  I have done it myself.  However, don't fool yourself on believing that is how most beef ends up in this country.
 
2013-12-14 12:56:31 AM  

ladyfortuna: They don't 'require' constant care or antibiotics, because those are cash/factory farm tricks to maximize herd size for profit.


Have you ever been to a branding?  Ever heard of 8-way? 7-way?
 
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