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(MacRumors)   Sprint and T-Mobile are in talks to merge; what could possibly go   (macrumors.com) divider line 60
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2013-12-13 05:22:33 PM  
Rates to go up by 50% in 3...2.....++PLAN LIMIT REACHED++
 
2013-12-13 05:29:46 PM  
fark.  No.
 
2013-12-13 05:30:23 PM  
I wonder how long they'll keep both networks working and if they'll convert everything to CDMA or GSM. It would be nice to see CDMA finally go away so that all phones could theoretically just be multi-band GSM and work on all carriers (well, everyone but Verizon at that point I guess until they concert over).
 
2013-12-13 05:30:38 PM  
I'm waiting to see what happens with the Sprint/Clear merger, since I have both. I fear my unlimited internet will change for the worse.
 
2013-12-13 05:32:52 PM  
iDen all over again?
 
2013-12-13 05:36:29 PM  
It's bad enough that they got rid of the T-Mobile girl.
 
2013-12-13 05:48:59 PM  
The last attempted merger worked out really well for TMO.
 
2013-12-13 05:49:08 PM  
Wonder what they'll name the company....

dilbert.com
 
2013-12-13 05:49:52 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I wonder how long they'll keep both networks working and if they'll convert everything to CDMA or GSM. It would be nice to see CDMA finally go away so that all phones could theoretically just be multi-band GSM and work on all carriers (well, everyone but Verizon at that point I guess until they concert over).


it really could go either way. Sprint is still putting in all the new equipment so a switch to GSM isnt out of the question.

TMO is kinda sucky away from the cities.so it would be cheaper to convert them to CDMA...

simplicimus: I'm waiting to see what happens with the Sprint/Clear merger, since I have both. I fear my unlimited internet will change for the worse.


No. Sprint just recommitted to truly unlimited. cannot speak for what clear will do...
 
2013-12-13 05:51:33 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: The last attempted merger worked out really well for TMO.


that was because ATT was too big...


I still think Dish is gonna jump in here and scoop up Tmo...
 
2013-12-13 05:54:27 PM  

simplicimus: I'm waiting to see what happens with the Sprint/Clear merger, since I have both. I fear my unlimited internet will change for the worse.


They stopped selling new clearwire service back in July when the buyout happened. The remaining Clearwire network is going offline some time in 2015.
 
2013-12-13 06:14:31 PM  

dillenger69: simplicimus: I'm waiting to see what happens with the Sprint/Clear merger, since I have both. I fear my unlimited internet will change for the worse.

They stopped selling new clearwire service back in July when the buyout happened. The remaining Clearwire network is going offline some time in 2015.


Then why the hell did they buy it for?
 
2013-12-13 06:16:00 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: The last attempted merger worked out really well for TMO.


You mean the $3b in cash and $1b in spectrum they got from AT&T?
 
2013-12-13 06:18:21 PM  
I might be happier if they went back to just being VoiceStream or Ariel.
 
2013-12-13 06:18:28 PM  

dangelder: dillenger69: simplicimus: I'm waiting to see what happens with the Sprint/Clear merger, since I have both. I fear my unlimited internet will change for the worse.

They stopped selling new clearwire service back in July when the buyout happened. The remaining Clearwire network is going offline some time in 2015.

Then why the hell did they buy it for?


Coverage, I guess. Where I live a get great 4G signal on Clear, random and poor signal on my phones.
 
2013-12-13 06:38:37 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I wonder how long they'll keep both networks working and if they'll convert everything to CDMA or GSM. It would be nice to see CDMA finally go away so that all phones could theoretically just be multi-band GSM and work on all carriers (well, everyone but Verizon at that point I guess until they concert over).


All the new Network Vision sites are a lot more software defined, so they could go hybrid for a while.  Sprint has some GSM services in spots already (used almost entirely by T-Mo and AT&T roamers).   The question is... in 2014 why aren't you going voice-over-LTE already?

dangelder: They stopped selling new clearwire service back in July when the buyout happened. The remaining Clearwire network is going offline some time in 2015.

Then why the hell did they buy it for?


LTE, which is now allowed on Clear's old WiMAX 2.5GHz band.
 
2013-12-13 06:46:52 PM  
AT&T offered 39m and that fell through.
T-Mobile has had a very good year and looks better than when ATT tried this.

Sprint's talking about 20m, so I don't see this happening.
 
2013-12-13 06:52:16 PM  
I have no experience with T-Mobile, but based on my time with Sprint the resulting vortex of suck would likely doom three, maybe four whole cities.

/In limited areas.
 
2013-12-13 06:56:42 PM  

Virtual Pariah: AT&T offered 39m and that fell through.
T-Mobile has had a very good year and looks better than when ATT tried this.

Sprint's talking about 20m, so I don't see this happening.


m = billion
 
2013-12-13 06:57:04 PM  
Sprin-T?
 
2013-12-13 06:59:33 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Rates to go up by 50% in 3...2.....++PLAN LIMIT REACHED++


Maybe nobody else said it, but that gave me a good laugh. Well done
 
2013-12-13 07:44:32 PM  
sprint is still around?
 
2013-12-13 07:51:48 PM  
I wouldn't expect the regulators would be quite as hard on this merger as it would result in a true #3, whereas the AT&T/T-Mobile deal would have really destabilized things.
 
2013-12-13 07:53:11 PM  

tricycleracer: fark.  No.


THIS. I was a smartphone holdout for a damn long time, until T-Mobile decided to get into no-contract, no-BS mode. I'd really farking hate to see it get snapped up by Sprint.
 
2013-12-13 08:03:37 PM  

Outlaw2097: sprint is still around?


And they suck. Just got my first iPhone 4S with Sprint and they've had a "tower out" near my home for about three months. So I'm under a brand new contract and I'm paying $100 a month for spotty-at-best service 90% of the time, for which they grudgingly offered me a $25 credit off my next month bill only after I b#tched up a storm about it. My only recourse is to pay their $350 (!) cancellation fee to get away from them, and they suck so much that I may do it.
 
2013-12-13 08:05:48 PM  
Spobile?
Taint?
 
2013-12-13 08:16:09 PM  

Fubegra: tricycleracer: fark.  No.

THIS. I was a smartphone holdout for a damn long time, until T-Mobile decided to get into no-contract, no-BS mode. I'd really farking hate to see it get snapped up by Sprint.


I was an ATT customer and I just got tired of their overpriced plans and limited data. T-Mobile's plans are reasonable, and at least when you hit your data cap on T-Mobile, you go from 4G to 3G. I'm mostly in the city so I haven't had any coverage gaps.
 
2013-12-13 09:15:59 PM  

Virtual Pariah: AT&T offered 39m and that fell through.
T-Mobile has had a very good year and looks better than when ATT tried this.

Sprint's talking about 20m, so I don't see this happening.


Motivated seller + only one left to buy them (except for dish) = 20bn

This is also just a starting point...I am sure the final range will be 30BN, or about 20 seconds of SoftBanks time.

Softbank has it laying around as well. Hell it is just about pocket change with all the companies/stock they have.

They are making 140bn from the Chinese ebay/amazon/pay pal company they own a crapload of when the IPO comes out..
 
2013-12-13 09:19:12 PM  
I dropped Sprint for Straight Talk (over AT&T's network) over 1 1/2 years ago and haven't looked back. Sprint had slow data when it did work and they had the gull to charge me a $10 "premium data" fee even though I wasn't getting 4G (either LTE or WiMax) data.

Sprint is dying a slow death. They ran incompatible network technologies (WiMax and iDen) too long. Network Vision is too little, too late.
 
2013-12-13 09:21:14 PM  
Please God no. I went to MetroPCS to get away from Sprint ineptitude.

Then T-Mobile buys MetroPCS.

Now this? What choices are left?
 
2013-12-13 09:29:44 PM  

dustman81: I dropped Sprint for Straight Talk (over AT&T's network) over 1 1/2 years ago and haven't looked back. Sprint had slow data when it did work and they had the gull to charge me a $10 "premium data" fee even though I wasn't getting 4G (either LTE or WiMax) data.

Sprint is dying a slow death. They ran incompatible network technologies (WiMax and iDen) too long. Network Vision is too little, too late.


Sprint isnt coming anywhere. Softbank will make sure of it

iDEN had to be keep alive as long as it was because that was part of the deal for them to buy Nextel

WiMax had to be implemented (they wanted to go with LTE) because of the agreement with the FCC when they bought the spectrum. It was use it for new technology or lose it altogether. They went with the best they had at the time.

everywhere I go, network vision is as good/if not better than Verizon. These things take time to roll out. They are replacing all the equipment in the towers, not jsut upgrading it.

When advanced LTE is ready to go in 2-5 years, Sprint will be way ahead of the curve. Buying Tmo gives them that much more of a customer base and more bandwidth (though they do not need it really)
 
2013-12-13 09:41:20 PM  

Mztlplx: Please God no. I went to MetroPCS to get away from Sprint ineptitude.

Then T-Mobile buys MetroPCS.

Now this? What choices are left?


The end goal of capitalism is monopoly. But unless the laws change, we'll end up with 2 cell providers and 2 airlines.
 
2013-12-13 11:09:21 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: It's bad enough that they got rid of the T-Mobile girl.


They could bring her back...
tmonews.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com
(Hot like Carly)
 
2013-12-13 11:18:59 PM  

simplicimus: dangelder: dillenger69: simplicimus: I'm waiting to see what happens with the Sprint/Clear merger, since I have both. I fear my unlimited internet will change for the worse.

They stopped selling new clearwire service back in July when the buyout happened. The remaining Clearwire network is going offline some time in 2015.

Then why the hell did they buy it for?

Coverage, I guess. Where I live a get great 4G signal on Clear, random and poor signal on my phones.


Yep, that's part of the reason and they also bought them because CW has a giant chunk of spectrum available and licensed.
 
2013-12-13 11:23:43 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Outlaw2097: sprint is still around?

And they suck. Just got my first iPhone 4S with Sprint and they've had a "tower out" near my home for about three months. So I'm under a brand new contract and I'm paying $100 a month for spotty-at-best service 90% of the time, for which they grudgingly offered me a $25 credit off my next month bill only after I b#tched up a storm about it. My only recourse is to pay their $350 (!) cancellation fee to get away from them, and they suck so much that I may do it.


ask them for a femtocell - they have them from Sprint - they hook up to your internet connection and give you good coverage, at your house at least.
 
2013-12-13 11:54:15 PM  
Death Star gobbling up T-Mobile was stopped by regulators. Why would they let Sprint get away with it?
 
2013-12-14 12:29:44 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-14 12:52:38 AM  
Since they completed the network upgrades, my Sprint coverage in Chicago has actually been pretty good. It was abysmal before last summer though, so bad I nearly dropped it even though it's about 30 bucks cheaper per month than any other major carrier with my discount I get through work.
 
2013-12-14 01:00:36 AM  

macdaddy357: Death Star gobbling up T-Mobile was stopped by regulators. Why would they let Sprint get away with it?


Because Sprint isn't as big as AT&T.  A merger of Sprint and T-Mobile could make a solid #3 behind AT&T and Verizon (assuming no NexTel fiasco).  A merger of AT&T and T-Mobile would have effectively doomed Sprint, leaving only two major carriers.
 
2013-12-14 01:35:10 AM  
Well, Sprint would have a built-in model for T-Mobile ads thanks to the sports entertainment racing series they sponsor.
 
2013-12-14 02:32:53 AM  

saintstryfe: ask them for a femtocell - they have them from Sprint - they hook up to your internet connection and give you good coverage, at your house at least.



Huh... had to google that one, but it sounds like exactly what I'm looking for... think I'll call thosebastards back first thing in the morning.

Thanks, saintstryfe!
 
2013-12-14 02:36:12 AM  
Pro-capitalist idealists who think mergers allow economies of scale to ultimately benefit the consumer are laughably misguided.

I point to the drop in the number of conveniently located gas stations over the decades as oil company mergers have been pursued and allowed.
 
2013-12-14 02:59:12 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I wonder how long they'll keep both networks working and if they'll convert everything to CDMA or GSM. It would be nice to see CDMA finally go away so that all phones could theoretically just be multi-band GSM and work on all carriers (well, everyone but Verizon at that point I guess until they concert over).


CDMA is a far superior protocol.
 
2013-12-14 03:03:28 AM  

saintstryfe: Barricaded Gunman: Outlaw2097: sprint is still around?

And they suck. Just got my first iPhone 4S with Sprint and they've had a "tower out" near my home for about three months. So I'm under a brand new contract and I'm paying $100 a month for spotty-at-best service 90% of the time, for which they grudgingly offered me a $25 credit off my next month bill only after I b#tched up a storm about it. My only recourse is to pay their $350 (!) cancellation fee to get away from them, and they suck so much that I may do it.

ask them for a femtocell - they have them from Sprint - they hook up to your internet connection and give you good coverage, at your house at least.


Nice, so, you get to subsidize their service.


Truth told, I have had Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile.


T-Mobile was by far, the shiattiest service.  Currently have Sprint.  Verizon, the best, Sprint, on par with Verizon, but, their 4gLTE service is leaving a lot to be desired.  The 4G Wimax from Sprint was spot on, but since I switched to an LTE phone, I have noticed coverage gaps, and I am in NYC.  Just about ready to start the biatching.
 
2013-12-14 03:47:36 AM  

tripleseven: TuteTibiImperes: I wonder how long they'll keep both networks working and if they'll convert everything to CDMA or GSM. It would be nice to see CDMA finally go away so that all phones could theoretically just be multi-band GSM and work on all carriers (well, everyone but Verizon at that point I guess until they concert over).

CDMA is a far superior protocol.


They're both legacy protocols ready for the axe.

In the next decade, I expect that carriers will start to convert their current GSM (TDMA) and IS-2000 (CDMA) bands over to LTE (OFDMA/SC-FDMA).   Sprint is already doing it with their WiMax 2.5GHz band and iDEN 800MHz band.

Big question is how long UMTS (W-CDMA) is going to be kept around for GSM/UMTS phones that don't do Voice-over-LTE.
 
2013-12-14 06:03:23 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: saintstryfe: ask them for a femtocell - they have them from Sprint - they hook up to your internet connection and give you good coverage, at your house at least.


Huh... had to google that one, but it sounds like exactly what I'm looking for... think I'll call thosebastards back first thing in the morning.

Thanks, saintstryfe!


At least w AT&T if you biatch enough they will discount the price of the hardware. Set up was easy. You control the phones that can connect to it via a whitelist. So randoms driving through your hood cannot connect.
 
2013-12-14 07:33:40 AM  
I have T-Mobile after having Verizon. Here in Maine, T-Mobile's coverage is spotty but servicable. The data sucks, but I don't use it that often. However, my bill literally HALVED.
 
2013-12-14 08:21:04 AM  

Obama's Left Nut: Barricaded Gunman: saintstryfe: ask them for a femtocell - they have them from Sprint - they hook up to your internet connection and give you good coverage, at your house at least.


Huh... had to google that one, but it sounds like exactly what I'm looking for... think I'll call thosebastards back first thing in the morning.

Thanks, saintstryfe!

At least w AT&T if you biatch enough they will discount the price of the hardware. Set up was easy. You control the phones that can connect to it via a whitelist. So randoms driving through your hood cannot connect.


The femtocells though don't get a hand off -from- a tower. They can only hand off a call -to- a tower. So if someone is on a call and driving by they won't connect to your particular FC. Plus, at least with Sprint, their femtocells are only 3G.

/has had a Sprint femtocell for 2+ years now and loves it.
 
2013-12-14 08:30:39 AM  
The world's an evil place.
 
2013-12-14 08:34:36 AM  
I looked at the numbers, and with TMO, I save about $2000 during the length of a contract compared to VZ/ATT. Then I thought was it worth $2000 to have a few more bars of service?

I haven't looked back since I went to TMO. This past year, I've seen a huge improvement. LTE has popped up in a lot of places, and they've increased the other coverage as well.

Also what I've gathered is that they've signed on a lot of customers in the past year. It'll be harder to convince the parent company to sell it off than back when AT&T was doing it.
 
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