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(The Hill)   When you think Speaker Boehner is a "tax-and-spend liberal," you may need to reevaluate your current grasp on reality   (thehill.com) divider line 57
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2013-12-13 06:03:36 PM  
8 votes:
"The last time we checked, we are the American people," the letter said.

Well, you're also a really small political minority that can't get out of its own way and constantly makes it harder to actually achieve your stated goals.

I hope everyone understands that these people will start shooting at us at some point.
2013-12-13 06:42:42 PM  
4 votes:
We live in a truly farked up universe when people think Boehner is anything but a hard-right ideologue.
2013-12-13 06:13:09 PM  
4 votes:
Good. Let them eat each other and maybe we can elect someone who can get things done.
2013-12-13 06:02:49 PM  
4 votes:
I wish he was a tax and spend person. He is just a spending person.
2013-12-13 06:12:25 PM  
3 votes:
But doesn't tax & spend make a dickload more sense than borrow & spend if one worries about deficits and such?
2013-12-13 05:09:26 PM  
3 votes:
Despite all the gerrymandering, I think there is a chance that the Tea Party could lose the House for the Republicans.....
2013-12-13 10:30:41 PM  
2 votes:
One problem with the Tea Party is they don't have any concept of cause and effect. For example, they want to outlaw abortion. Ok, so where is the money going to come from to take care of all these unwanted children? Huh? Oh, let the charities take care of them? No, they become wards of the state and as such the state will ultimately require more money to take care of them. (If I recall, Texas is dealing with this very issue)
2013-12-13 09:57:18 PM  
2 votes:

OgreMagi: The problem with the Tea Party is the expect and demand that all of their wishes are met. They don't understand that in politics, and especially with the budget, you are going to have to compromise.  There's a certain class of democrats who are the same way, just not as prominent.

2013-12-13 09:48:02 PM  
2 votes:
From TFA:

"Tea Party Patriots said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has "declared war on the Tea Party" with his "smug and pretentious rant" against certain right-wing organizations.

The group made the charge in a fundraising email to supporters, seeking to win donations over the public feuding.

In the past two days, Boehner has repeatedly attacked the conservative groups that championed the October effort to defund ObamaCare and are now opposed to the recent budget deal negotiated by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.).

He has criticized the groups for being more interested in raising money than actually solving problems."

So he was right about them then?
2013-12-13 09:24:11 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-12-13 07:08:24 PM  
2 votes:
All that effort put into achieving a permanent republican majority and all they got for it was teatards.
2013-12-13 07:00:05 PM  
2 votes:
comments there are amazingly entertaining.  
  "REJECT PHONY LIBERALISM! - JOIN THE TEA PARTY"
  "the push that sends Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, and all the other RINO's out the door"
  "the RNC is an enemy of Conservatives"
  "What's extreme about the Tea Party agenda? Please give one concrete example"

I cannot understand how they are oblivious to the cause of their problems.  The "us versus them, all or nothing" mentality is nothing but the definition of division, and they wonder why the Republican party is fracturing.
2013-12-13 06:32:08 PM  
2 votes:

crab66: "We are the American people!"


Forget about the other 275 million or so of you. It's just us!


This is what happens when you keep referring to a small minority as "Real America". They start to believe it.
2013-12-13 06:23:46 PM  
2 votes:

randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.


He's not?
2013-12-13 06:16:51 PM  
2 votes:

QuesoDelicioso: But doesn't tax & spend make a dickload more sense than borrow & spend if one worries about deficits and such?


It does, which is why the teabaggers have been saying it is somehow a bad thing.
2013-12-13 06:05:33 PM  
2 votes:

BKITU: Well, inasmuch as he has voted in favor of appropriations bills that have nonzero tax rates, and also voted in favor of bills describing specific ways for the Federal government to spend the revenue generated from the aforementioned taxes, and that the combination thereby saddles him as a Marxist among many of the teatarded persuasion... yes, what the teatards have said is true, from a potato point of view.


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2013-12-13 05:53:01 PM  
2 votes:
Please, proceed.
2013-12-13 05:50:50 PM  
2 votes:
Eat each other.
2013-12-13 05:49:45 PM  
2 votes:
I've been waiting for this thread since Boehner made those comments yesterday.

What took so long?
2013-12-13 05:30:33 PM  
2 votes:
Hahahaha...

On a serious note, I'd never thought I root for mainstream, moderate Republicans.

Then I think, no...that will confuse the voters, let them derp and eat each other into a Democrat majority, and let's get some things accomplished.

And then I thought, hey...I should have another glass of wine!
2013-12-14 03:31:51 PM  
1 votes:

m00: No, if you want to reduce inequality you stop taxing cap gains at 15% (or 0% if you're really wealthy) and labor at 30%.


Absolutely. You'll be happy to know that cap gains did go up for higher incomes. So there was that sliver of progressivism from the President. Your analogy on minimum wage is just silly. Labor's share of GDP is at historical lows. We are making history with low wages right now. Raise the goddamn minimum wage.

m00: If you want to stop inequality you stop giving corporations like GE 2 billion dollars a year, while regulating the hell out of the local mom & pop deli.


Agreed on GE. I don't agree that mom & pops are 'regulated to hell'. Regulations aren't the problem. A lack of demand is the problem. Raising the minimum wage puts money into consumers hands, creating demand. Surprise.

m00: I accept this as an answer. But if you are a progressive, you should stop voting Democrat. (And conservatives should stop voting Republican).


As a Mass resident, I was able to vote for both in Elizabeth Warren.
m00
2013-12-14 01:59:59 PM  
1 votes:

dripping with sarcasm: The tea party position is keep my bennies coming and cut off the other guy and I want to pay(tax) less. Oh, and support the troops until they come home. Yea, murica!


That's the tea party position the same way that "helping terrorists win to institute socialism and death panels" is the liberal position. Meaning, if you form your opinion about a group based on the literature of those opposed to that group then you get a distorted view.
2013-12-14 01:59:06 PM  
1 votes:

jpbreon: If the minimum wage is so great and has no downside to the economy, why not take it up to $25/50/100/500 bucks an hour?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

stop doing that.
2013-12-14 01:45:25 PM  
1 votes:

jpbreon: Pretty simple, actually. Raising the minimum wage hurts those that are the least 'diversified'. For example, a large corporation with multiple revenue streams can pass increased costs to consumers while the local Mom and Pop has no such option. It's the same thing Wal-Mart does; when they arrive in a new community, they run at a loss until the competition dies while making it up somewhere else. Smaller businesses often run on tighter spreads, so a raise in the minimum kills them while large corporations lose the competition. Why do you think big business supports the regulatory State so much? It's because the regulations kill small businesses. 

Besides, the minimum wage makes no sense whatsoever. Aside from the fact it is essentially outlawing low-paying jobs (it never fails to amaze me how economic liberals imagine the corporate big dogs going "Ah shiat, I guess I have to cut into my profits now to pay my workers more! They finally got me!!" Grow up. They just pass the cost onto consumers.) why are you such misers?

If the minimum wage is so great and has no downside to the economy, why not take it up to $25/50/100/500 bucks an hour? Why not decree a minimum of 150K/year for everyone?


Are you trolling or an idiot?
2013-12-14 01:43:27 PM  
1 votes:

jpbreon: Besides, the minimum wage makes no sense whatsoever.


Oh. Well this isn't going to go well.

jpbreon: If the minimum wage is so great and has no downside to the economy, why not take it up to $25/50/100/500 bucks an hour? Why not decree a minimum of 150K/year for everyone?


People really need to stop using this idiotic argument. I'm sure I'll see it in the next minimum wage thread. Best of luck.
2013-12-14 12:38:24 PM  
1 votes:

m00: I think raising the minimum wage is the wrong solution, because it further hands a government endorsed economic monopoly to the large welfare-receiving corporations.


This makes no sense. "further hands a government endorsed economic monopoly? The hell?

m00: instead, make the corporations and wealthy actually pay taxes and stop giving them handouts.


80% of the Tea Party oppose raising taxes on the rich, compared with 56% of the GOP.

I don't know what mythical Tea Party you think you're supporting. You may want to recheck their platform. And then check the progressive platform, because it actually does reduce corporate welfare and make the wealthy pay more.
2013-12-14 11:30:17 AM  
1 votes:

m00: think people enjoying bullying too much to really examine what is true about the Tea Party's ideas -- that our government taxes the poor and middle class to pay for wars and domestic spying, and corporate handouts, and the lavish lifestyle of the 1%.


That's not the tea party position at all.
2013-12-14 07:45:22 AM  
1 votes:

jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.

It's funny watching the extreme right go down in flames just like the McCarthyites did in the late Fifties. In another two election cycles the only people talking about the Tea Party will be third rate stand ups at open mic improv nights.


We can only hope. I for one don't have that much faith in the uninformed American public to "do the right thing".

And by "do the right thing", I mean to never ever vote for Tea Party idiots ever again.
2013-12-14 04:52:45 AM  
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.


It's funny watching the extreme right go down in flames just like the McCarthyites did in the late Fifties. In another two election cycles the only people talking about the Tea Party will be third rate stand ups at open mic improv nights.
2013-12-14 02:19:54 AM  
1 votes:
Collect taxes, spend them on the nation.

That's how every government works, or has ever worked.

I used to joke that if the Bush Administration tried to play the video game Majesty, they'd quickly bankrupt themselves by posting bounties on the heads of their own tax collectors, so they'd run out of money to post bounties with.  But it's even more true for the Teabaggers.
2013-12-14 12:39:48 AM  
1 votes:
Oh, that's adorable. Boehner wants to act like he had nothing to do with the shutdown or the extremist tactics the GOP's been using all this time. "I swear, it was those groups of far-right conservatives that did it and I was totally powerless to do anything. It was them. THEM. Not me, no. Those people...no not those people like we usually mean when we say "those people", but rather those other people."
2013-12-13 11:59:29 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-12-13 11:34:59 PM  
1 votes:

poonesfarm: Tea Party Patriots said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has "declared war on the Tea Party" with his "smug and pretentious rant" against certain right-wing organizations.


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2013-12-13 10:36:32 PM  
1 votes:
The Tea Party Patriots respond to allegations that they are only interested in raising money by issuing a fundraising email blasting its accusers. Could these patriots be stirring up controversy just to protect their phoney baloney jobs? Quick, Robin, to the Batmobile!
2013-12-13 10:29:02 PM  
1 votes:
Please proceed.
2013-12-13 09:53:27 PM  
1 votes:
The problem with the Tea Party is the expect and demand that all of their wishes are met.  They don't understand that in politics, and especially with the budget, you are going to have to compromise.  There's a certain class of democrats who are the same way, just not as prominent.
2013-12-13 09:11:13 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.

He's not?


Think about who you're talking to, to that dude anyone left of Glenn Beck might as well be Vladimir Lenin
2013-12-13 09:02:46 PM  
1 votes:
Yet another example of the American 'Conservative' binary, 'With us or against us' worldview.
2013-12-13 08:55:49 PM  
1 votes:

Githerax: The problem you "elite" liberal "intellectuals" have is that you confine your thinking so much.  To you, every word has a dictionary definition, and that's the only way you can understand that word.  But a true free-thinker can throw out the dictionary and use words to mean entirely different things, vastly expanding the intellectual possibilities of philosophy and understanding.

Free your mind, slaves.


YES!
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Elitist libs think words have denotations, but Real Americans know that they only have connotations.
2013-12-13 08:42:46 PM  
1 votes:
It's like watching gladiators fight. I don't really give a shiat who wins, as long as it's bloody.

Lie in the bed you made for yourselves, GOP. You should have kicked these loonies to the curb immediately instead of flirting with them.
2013-12-13 08:33:52 PM  
1 votes:
www.austinchronicle.com

SPLITTERS!!
2013-12-13 08:32:53 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Yeah, NPR isn't exactly the bastion of liberalism these days. They've fallen into the same false-equivalency trap that most of the big outlets have.


These days? Were you listening shortly after the start of the Iraq War fiasco when it was nothing but Middle-Eastern Muslim Professors talking about how of course the war wasn't going well but it would be Worth It in the End (tm)?

I like NPR and listen to it almost daily. But All Things Considered and Morning Edition are pretty standard centrist media institutions, though they go into more depth than you normally find.
2013-12-13 07:50:40 PM  
1 votes:
The problem you "elite" liberal "intellectuals" have is that you confine your thinking so much.  To you, every word has a dictionary definition, and that's the only way you can understand that word.  But a true free-thinker can throw out the dictionary and use words to mean entirely different things, vastly expanding the intellectual possibilities of philosophy and understanding.

Free your mind, slaves.
2013-12-13 07:22:25 PM  
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.


NPR: Nice, Polite Republicans
2013-12-13 07:16:26 PM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: "The last time we checked, we are the American people," the letter said.

Well, you're also a really small political minority that can't get out of its own way and constantly makes it harder to actually achieve your stated goals.

I hope everyone understands that these people will start shooting at us at some point.


Yes, and I'm sure the individuals in question - with their iron grasp on reality - visualize themselves as steely-eyed freedom fighters, striking out at a hated totalitarian regime, and that The People will join them when the time is right.

You know, like Timothy McVeigh
2013-12-13 06:42:45 PM  
1 votes:

QuesoDelicioso: But doesn't tax & spend make a dickload more sense than borrow & spend if one worries about deficits and such?


You forget the recent addition to the Tea Party agenda, which is to default on the debt. That solves the whole deficit problem in just one day.
2013-12-13 06:38:55 PM  
1 votes:

edmo: I'm no Boner fan but the Tea Party is seriously hampering his ability to get things done in the way the GOP would like.


YA THINK?!
2013-12-13 06:24:36 PM  
1 votes:
"We are the American people!"


Forget about the other 275 million or so of you. It's just us!
2013-12-13 06:15:54 PM  
1 votes:

zerkalo: [truth-out.org image 320x213]


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2013-12-13 06:09:27 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-12-13 06:00:14 PM  
1 votes:

zerkalo: [truth-out.org image 320x213]


Dammit. Ok, fine.

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2013-12-13 05:52:52 PM  
1 votes:
How long until Rand Paul and Steve Stockman are revealed to be America-hating, ACORN-beholden, aroused-by-Soros, Monticello-upper-decking. John-Wilkes-Booth-worshiping, tax-and-flag-burn Commusexualismistics?
2013-12-13 05:52:49 PM  
1 votes:

Princess Ryans Knickers: Mrtraveler01: I've been waiting for this thread since Boehner made those comments yesterday.

What took so long?

First it had to make the rounds on sites like Reddit, Digg, Yahoo, and FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD.  Next, they had to make sure all funny and mocking headlines were rejected. Next, they had to wait for Drew to sober up and decide what to actually greenlight.


I just thought they all got rejected because none of them made fun of Al Sharpton.

/I keed
2013-12-13 05:52:00 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: I've been waiting for this thread since Boehner made those comments yesterday.

What took so long?


First it had to make the rounds on sites like Reddit, Digg, Yahoo, and FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD.  Next, they had to make sure all funny and mocking headlines were rejected. Next, they had to wait for Drew to sober up and decide what to actually greenlight.
2013-12-13 05:28:18 PM  
1 votes:

BKITU: Well, inasmuch as he has voted in favor of appropriations bills that have nonzero tax rates, and also voted in favor of bills describing specific ways for the Federal government to spend the revenue generated from the aforementioned taxes, and that the combination thereby saddles him as a Marxist among many of the teatarded persuasion... yes, what the teatards have said is true, from a potato point of view.


Basically the point I came to make... to these people anyone who would, for any reason, tax the populace and then spend that money is, by definition, a tax-and-spend liberal.
2013-12-13 05:23:05 PM  
1 votes:
Tea Party Patriots said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has "declared war on the Tea Party" with his "smug and pretentious rant" against certain right-wing organizations.


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2013-12-13 05:09:55 PM  
1 votes:
Well, inasmuch as he has voted in favor of appropriations bills that have nonzero tax rates, and also voted in favor of bills describing specific ways for the Federal government to spend the revenue generated from the aforementioned taxes, and that the combination thereby saddles him as a Marxist among many of the teatarded persuasion... yes, what the teatards have said is true, from a potato point of view.
 
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