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2013-12-13 09:53:27 PM  
The problem with the Tea Party is the expect and demand that all of their wishes are met.  They don't understand that in politics, and especially with the budget, you are going to have to compromise.  There's a certain class of democrats who are the same way, just not as prominent.
 
2013-12-13 09:57:18 PM  

OgreMagi: The problem with the Tea Party is the expect and demand that all of their wishes are met. They don't understand that in politics, and especially with the budget, you are going to have to compromise.  There's a certain class of democrats who are the same way, just not as prominent.

 
2013-12-13 10:29:02 PM  
Please proceed.
 
2013-12-13 10:30:35 PM  

BKITU: what the teatards have said is true, from a potato point of view.


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2013-12-13 10:30:41 PM  
One problem with the Tea Party is they don't have any concept of cause and effect. For example, they want to outlaw abortion. Ok, so where is the money going to come from to take care of all these unwanted children? Huh? Oh, let the charities take care of them? No, they become wards of the state and as such the state will ultimately require more money to take care of them. (If I recall, Texas is dealing with this very issue)
 
2013-12-13 10:33:42 PM  
Not reading article or comments but....by definition every politician is a tax-and-spend politician.
 
2013-12-13 10:35:06 PM  

randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.


So, you're saying you are satisfied with the derpification factor displayed by Boehner over at least a 2-year time frame?
 
2013-12-13 10:36:32 PM  
The Tea Party Patriots respond to allegations that they are only interested in raising money by issuing a fundraising email blasting its accusers. Could these patriots be stirring up controversy just to protect their phoney baloney jobs? Quick, Robin, to the Batmobile!
 
2013-12-13 10:51:46 PM  

dripping with sarcasm: One problem with the Tea Party is they don't have any concept of cause and effect. For example, they want to outlaw abortion. Ok, so where is the money going to come from to take care of all these unwanted children? Huh? Oh, let the charities take care of them? No, they become wards of the state and as such the state will ultimately require more money to take care of them. (If I recall, Texas is dealing with this very issue)


I've seen that someplace... The second season of American Horror Story: a good ChristianQuiverfull sanctuary with a big dose of liberal minded medicalization. Of course, the med school graduates can't be trusted, but the nuns will do their best to correct them.
 
2013-12-13 11:00:18 PM  

dripping with sarcasm: One problem with the Tea Party is they don't have any concept of cause and effect. For example, they want to outlaw abortion. Ok, so where is the money going to come from to take care of all these unwanted children? Huh? Oh, let the charities take care of them? No, they become wards of the state and as such the state will ultimately require more money to take care of them. (If I recall, Texas is dealing with this very issue)


An argument I had with a fundie ended with me saying, "your choices are allow abortions, toss a few bucks at planned parenthood for contraceptives, or more welfare babies.  Which one do you choose?  There are no other choices."  He insisted that people should stop having sex.  I didn't bother mentioned a few hundred thousand years of evolution driving people to have sex since that would start a whole new argument.
 
2013-12-13 11:02:10 PM  

vernonFL: I never thought I'd describe John Boehner as a sober, rational person.

But here we are.


I have the weirdest Boehner right now.
 
2013-12-13 11:09:19 PM  
HotWingConspiracy:
I hope everyone understands that these people will start shooting at us at some point.

I've taken the liberty of mapping out every obese redneck with a Gadsden flag somewhere on their pickup truck within 5 miles of me so I can avoid them while their temper tantrums peak to the suicide by cop level.
 
2013-12-13 11:12:23 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Sh*t, spending is exactly what we need right now. We should be so lucky.


The money to pay for that spending will come out of your children's and grandchildren's pockets. Why do you hate your descendants?
 
2013-12-13 11:15:36 PM  

vernonFL: I never thought I'd describe John Boehner as a sober, rational person.

But here we are.


Truly, proof that all things are indeed relative.
 
2013-12-13 11:18:36 PM  

DrPainMD: he money to pay for that spending will come out of your children's and grandchildren's pockets.


This is silly.
 
2013-12-13 11:27:19 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: DrPainMD: he money to pay for that spending will come out of your children's and grandchildren's pockets.

This is silly.


Which works out great since the post office funding problems are rooted in paying for their pensions.
 
2013-12-13 11:27:47 PM  

bwilson27: timujin: Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.

He's not?

Think about who you're talking to, to that dude Teabaggers anyone left of Glenn Beck might as well be Vladimir Lenin


po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to
 
2013-12-13 11:28:57 PM  

snowshovel: Which works out great since the post office funding problems are rooted in paying for their pensions.


Okay?
 
2013-12-13 11:33:50 PM  
"Boehner has declared war on us by claiming we're more concerned about raising money than solving problems. We need your money to fight him."
 
2013-12-13 11:34:28 PM  

DrPainMD: Dusk-You-n-Me: Sh*t, spending is exactly what we need right now. We should be so lucky.

The money to pay for that spending will come out of your children's and grandchildren's pockets. Why do you hate your descendants?


I don't have any kids. F*ck 'em.
 
2013-12-13 11:34:51 PM  

DrPainMD: Dusk-You-n-Me: Sh*t, spending is exactly what we need right now. We should be so lucky.

The money to pay for that spending will come out of your children's and grandchildren's pockets. Why do you hate your descendants?


Only because you're too afraid to ask those who can afford it to pay for it.
 
2013-12-13 11:34:59 PM  

poonesfarm: Tea Party Patriots said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has "declared war on the Tea Party" with his "smug and pretentious rant" against certain right-wing organizations.


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2013-12-13 11:35:38 PM  

RyansPrivates: From TFA:

"Tea Party Patriots said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has "declared war on the Tea Party" with his "smug and pretentious rant" against certain right-wing organizations.

The group made the charge in a fundraising email to supporters, seeking to win donations over the public feuding.

In the past two days, Boehner has repeatedly attacked the conservative groups that championed the October effort to defund ObamaCare and are now opposed to the recent budget deal negotiated by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.).

He has criticized the groups for being more interested in raising money than actually solving problems."

So he was right about them then?


Ayup. The Tea Party is just the latest in a long line of methods for fleecing the rubes.
 
2013-12-13 11:48:51 PM  
Keeping the graft moving to the 1%.  R & D incorporated.  Making you cheer the rape of your money.
 
2013-12-13 11:57:28 PM  
All your base are belong to us.
 
2013-12-13 11:59:29 PM  
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2013-12-14 12:08:13 AM  
I love this. The Republican Party has gotten to be the party of the rich AND the rubes for long enough. They needed to pick one and it's good to see them act sanely for once.
 
2013-12-14 12:39:48 AM  
Oh, that's adorable. Boehner wants to act like he had nothing to do with the shutdown or the extremist tactics the GOP's been using all this time. "I swear, it was those groups of far-right conservatives that did it and I was totally powerless to do anything. It was them. THEM. Not me, no. Those people...no not those people like we usually mean when we say "those people", but rather those other people."
 
2013-12-14 01:15:11 AM  
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2013-12-14 01:29:10 AM  

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You're actually a:

Dumb
Obnoxious
Uninformed
Callous
Hateful
Extremist

Bag.
 
2013-12-14 01:47:42 AM  
Now is a good time for the teabaggers to get all bootstrappy and form their own party. But then I always think it's a good time to split the Republican party.
 
2013-12-14 02:17:28 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: Hahahaha...

On a serious note, I'd never thought I root for mainstream, moderate Republicans.

Then I think, no...that will confuse the voters, let them derp and eat each other into a Democrat majority, and let's get some things accomplished.

And then I thought, hey...I should have another glass of wine!


Save the glass for until after the tallys are done next November.  We do not want to see this next round get Coakley'd.
 
2013-12-14 02:19:54 AM  
Collect taxes, spend them on the nation.

That's how every government works, or has ever worked.

I used to joke that if the Bush Administration tried to play the video game Majesty, they'd quickly bankrupt themselves by posting bounties on the heads of their own tax collectors, so they'd run out of money to post bounties with.  But it's even more true for the Teabaggers.
 
2013-12-14 02:32:10 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: Hahahaha...

On a serious note, I'd never thought I root for mainstream, moderate Republicans.

Then I think, no...that will confuse the voters, let them derp and eat each other into a Democrat majority, and let's get some things accomplished.

And then I thought, hey...I should have another glass of wine!


The Democrats won't get anything done, even with a majority, as long as they believe those people who would never vote for them have good points to make.  Thus, ironically, treating their opponents with respect is the trait that most drags down the Democrats.
 
2013-12-14 02:37:17 AM  

Empty Matchbook: Fuggin Bizzy: It's like watching gladiators fight. I don't really give a shiat who wins, as long as it's bloody.

Lie in the bed you made for yourselves, GOP. You should have kicked these loonies to the curb immediately instead of flirting with them.

Advice I wish I'd taken in college...


Never stick your Boehner in crazy.
 
2013-12-14 04:52:45 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.


It's funny watching the extreme right go down in flames just like the McCarthyites did in the late Fifties. In another two election cycles the only people talking about the Tea Party will be third rate stand ups at open mic improv nights.
 
2013-12-14 06:44:51 AM  

timujin: tax-and-spend liberal.


America isn't going to die at the hands of stupid people, so much as at the hands of idiotic terms and memes. Dull people get so hung up on labels that they stop thinking.
 
2013-12-14 07:45:22 AM  

jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.

It's funny watching the extreme right go down in flames just like the McCarthyites did in the late Fifties. In another two election cycles the only people talking about the Tea Party will be third rate stand ups at open mic improv nights.


We can only hope. I for one don't have that much faith in the uninformed American public to "do the right thing".

And by "do the right thing", I mean to never ever vote for Tea Party idiots ever again.
 
2013-12-14 09:33:17 AM  

my lip balm addiction: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.

It's funny watching the extreme right go down in flames just like the McCarthyites did in the late Fifties. In another two election cycles the only people talking about the Tea Party will be third rate stand ups at open mic improv nights.

We can only hope. I for one don't have that much faith in the uninformed American public to "do the right thing".

And by "do the right thing", I mean to never ever vote for Tea Party idiots ever again.


Sad but true.  My biggest problem is that the Tea Party and neocons have actually robbed America of a functioning two party system.  It used to be there were a right of center and left of center party.  The left of center party was socially liberal, economically moderate.  The right of center party was socially moderate, economically conservative.  So you had people like Bill Clinton who though he made some economically moderate policies (i.e. welfare reform, signing NAFTA) also had significant liberal policies: FMLA, Brady Bill, increase in number of Pell Grants, HOPE scholarships, most diverse cabinent in history, more women on the federal bench, etc.   Right before him was George HW Bush, who had some socially moderate policies (ADA, reauthorized clean air act) but also had significant conservative policies: Gulf War, drafting NAFTA, Clarence Thomas to Supreme Court, continuation of Reagan tax and deregulation policies.

Heck if you go back before Reagan and look at Nixon, aside from the whole criminal thing, he had some significant moderate policy choices: the EPA, a proposal for a "proto-"Obamacare (health insurance mandate + expansion of medicaid)
 
2013-12-14 10:07:44 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: poonesfarm: Tea Party Patriots said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has "declared war on the Tea Party" with his "smug and pretentious rant" against certain right-wing organizations.


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Well played. You get a smart and a funny for that.
 
2013-12-14 11:09:37 AM  

my lip balm addiction: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.

It's funny watching the extreme right go down in flames just like the McCarthyites did in the late Fifties. In another two election cycles the only people talking about the Tea Party will be third rate stand ups at open mic improv nights.

We can only hope. I for one don't have that much faith in the uninformed American public to "do the right thing".

And by "do the right thing", I mean to never ever vote for Tea Party idiots ever again.


No - but the huge, distorting bulge in the voting demographic that put the Reaganoids in charge is getting real old now - which means they are going to start voting liberal (dependent on public spending now), and then die. As demographics swing young, they will swing left.
There have always been idiots - it's just a numbers game, and this huge generation of people who have gotten their own way ever since they got the vote just gave them more power than usual, for a while - but that time is coming to an end.
 
m00
2013-12-14 11:23:06 AM  
I think people enjoying bullying too much to really examine what is true about the Tea Party's ideas -- that our government taxes the poor and middle class to pay for wars and domestic spying, and corporate handouts, and the lavish lifestyle of the 1%. When the poor and middle class are taxed to death, they tax the children, and the children's children by borrowing money.

But by all means, have fun picking on the TeaTards
 
2013-12-14 11:30:17 AM  

m00: think people enjoying bullying too much to really examine what is true about the Tea Party's ideas -- that our government taxes the poor and middle class to pay for wars and domestic spying, and corporate handouts, and the lavish lifestyle of the 1%.


That's not the tea party position at all.
 
2013-12-14 11:38:55 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: How long until Rand Paul and Steve Stockman are revealed to be America-hating, ACORN-beholden, aroused-by-Soros, Monticello-upper-decking. John-Wilkes-Booth-worshiping, tax-and-flag-burn Commusexualismistics?


7 more minutes...
 
2013-12-14 11:52:34 AM  

m00: I think people enjoying bullying too much to really examine what is true about the Tea Party's ideas -- that our government taxes the poor and middle class to pay for wars and domestic spying, and corporate handouts, and the lavish lifestyle of the 1%. When the poor and middle class are taxed to death, they tax the children, and the children's children by borrowing money.

But by all means, have fun picking on the TeaTards


Every idiot I have ever met I my life was right about one or two general things. If believing one or two defensible generalities make the Tea Partiers "not idiots", then there are no idiots.
But, you see, Virginia - there are idiots in the world - and those idiots are people who believe in a few good, decent, defensible generalities. And given their way, they would wreck everything.
So we stop them.
Life, I hate to tell you, is complicated.
 
m00
2013-12-14 11:55:21 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: That's not the tea party position at all.


Well, it's not the position that the Tea Party's opponents in the media attribute to them. But it's their actual position. I used to think Sarah Palin was basically a dumb narcissist that had no business in politics. Then a few years ago I watched a speech she gave at a Tea Party rally on youtube captured by some dude's camera phone. She was extremely articulate and laid out the above message. She railed against corporations, and how taxes basically go to corporate welfare and government oppression (Patriot Act type stuff) and foreign wars that benefit corporations.

It made me think about how much of what I think I know is merely what the media reports, all twisted up to fit their narrative.

Anyway, the Tea Party is a decentralized movement. It absolutely has its fair share of radical reactionaries in Tricorn hats. But there's also an extremely legitimate message underneath it all. I just don't think the media wants you to know about it, because it doesn't fit their narrative. OWS basically got screwed the same way.
 
2013-12-14 12:15:11 PM  

m00: and how taxes basically go to corporate welfare


The Tea Party is the only group that polls against raising the minimum wage, which would go a long way to reducing corporate welfare. Ds, Is, Rs, all for. Tea Party, against.
 
m00
2013-12-14 12:29:34 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The Tea Party is the only group that polls against raising the minimum wage, which would go a long way to reducing corporate welfare. Ds, Is, Rs, all for. Tea Party, against.


I think raising the minimum wage is the wrong solution, because it further hands a government endorsed economic monopoly to the large welfare-receiving corporations. They can absorb any min-wage cost easily because the government gives them money. Hell, they'll probably find a way to get reimbursed because their lobbyist lawyers reach far into the policy-making of government.

If we want to help people, don't increase the minimum wage... instead, make the corporations and wealthy actually pay taxes and stop giving them handouts. Use those taxes to invest in infrastructure and provide a strong social safety net. This will allow small businesses to flourish, which will lower unemployment rate, which will raise wages.
 
2013-12-14 12:38:24 PM  

m00: I think raising the minimum wage is the wrong solution, because it further hands a government endorsed economic monopoly to the large welfare-receiving corporations.


This makes no sense. "further hands a government endorsed economic monopoly? The hell?

m00: instead, make the corporations and wealthy actually pay taxes and stop giving them handouts.


80% of the Tea Party oppose raising taxes on the rich, compared with 56% of the GOP.

I don't know what mythical Tea Party you think you're supporting. You may want to recheck their platform. And then check the progressive platform, because it actually does reduce corporate welfare and make the wealthy pay more.
 
2013-12-14 12:50:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: m00: think people enjoying bullying too much to really examine what is true about the Tea Party's ideas -- that our government taxes the poor and middle class to pay for wars and domestic spying, and corporate handouts, and the lavish lifestyle of the 1%.

That's not the tea party position at all.


The tea party position is keep my bennies coming and cut off the other guy and I want to pay(tax) less. Oh, and support the troops until they come home. Yea, murica!
 
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