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2013-12-13 05:09:26 PM
Despite all the gerrymandering, I think there is a chance that the Tea Party could lose the House for the Republicans.....
 
2013-12-13 05:09:55 PM
Well, inasmuch as he has voted in favor of appropriations bills that have nonzero tax rates, and also voted in favor of bills describing specific ways for the Federal government to spend the revenue generated from the aforementioned taxes, and that the combination thereby saddles him as a Marxist among many of the teatarded persuasion... yes, what the teatards have said is true, from a potato point of view.
 
2013-12-13 05:23:05 PM
Tea Party Patriots said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has "declared war on the Tea Party" with his "smug and pretentious rant" against certain right-wing organizations.


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2013-12-13 05:28:18 PM

BKITU: Well, inasmuch as he has voted in favor of appropriations bills that have nonzero tax rates, and also voted in favor of bills describing specific ways for the Federal government to spend the revenue generated from the aforementioned taxes, and that the combination thereby saddles him as a Marxist among many of the teatarded persuasion... yes, what the teatards have said is true, from a potato point of view.


Basically the point I came to make... to these people anyone who would, for any reason, tax the populace and then spend that money is, by definition, a tax-and-spend liberal.
 
2013-12-13 05:30:33 PM
Hahahaha...

On a serious note, I'd never thought I root for mainstream, moderate Republicans.

Then I think, no...that will confuse the voters, let them derp and eat each other into a Democrat majority, and let's get some things accomplished.

And then I thought, hey...I should have another glass of wine!
 
2013-12-13 05:32:25 PM
I never thought I'd describe John Boehner as a sober, rational person.

But here we are.
 
2013-12-13 05:36:38 PM

timujin: BKITU: Well, inasmuch as he has voted in favor of appropriations bills that have nonzero tax rates, and also voted in favor of bills describing specific ways for the Federal government to spend the revenue generated from the aforementioned taxes, and that the combination thereby saddles him as a Marxist among many of the teatarded persuasion... yes, what the teatards have said is true, from a potato point of view.

Basically the point I came to make... to these people anyone who would, for any reason, tax the populace and then spend that money is, by definition, a tax-and-spend liberal.


Because in a free country everything should be free

/amirite?
 
2013-12-13 05:37:18 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-13 05:41:38 PM
I'm no Boner fan but the Tea Party is seriously hampering his ability to get things done in the way the GOP would like.
 
2013-12-13 05:49:19 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Hahahaha...

On a serious note, I'd never thought I root for mainstream, moderate Republicans.

Then I think, no...that will confuse the voters, let them derp and eat each other into a Democrat majority, and let's get some things accomplished.

And then I thought, hey...I should have another glass of wine!


Careful. "Mainstream, moderate Republicans" are largely indistinguishable from George W. Bush.
 
2013-12-13 05:49:45 PM
I've been waiting for this thread since Boehner made those comments yesterday.

What took so long?
 
2013-12-13 05:50:44 PM
This would all be solved with a FEMA camp or two.
 
2013-12-13 05:50:50 PM
Eat each other.
 
2013-12-13 05:51:59 PM
How else can one man afford all that spray on tan?
 
2013-12-13 05:52:00 PM

Mrtraveler01: I've been waiting for this thread since Boehner made those comments yesterday.

What took so long?


First it had to make the rounds on sites like Reddit, Digg, Yahoo, and FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD.  Next, they had to make sure all funny and mocking headlines were rejected. Next, they had to wait for Drew to sober up and decide what to actually greenlight.
 
2013-12-13 05:52:49 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Mrtraveler01: I've been waiting for this thread since Boehner made those comments yesterday.

What took so long?

First it had to make the rounds on sites like Reddit, Digg, Yahoo, and FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD.  Next, they had to make sure all funny and mocking headlines were rejected. Next, they had to wait for Drew to sober up and decide what to actually greenlight.


I just thought they all got rejected because none of them made fun of Al Sharpton.

/I keed
 
2013-12-13 05:52:52 PM
How long until Rand Paul and Steve Stockman are revealed to be America-hating, ACORN-beholden, aroused-by-Soros, Monticello-upper-decking. John-Wilkes-Booth-worshiping, tax-and-flag-burn Commusexualismistics?
 
2013-12-13 05:53:01 PM
Please, proceed.
 
2013-12-13 05:55:10 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: How long until Rand Paul and Steve Stockman are revealed to be America-hating, ACORN-beholden, aroused-by-Soros, Monticello-upper-decking. John-Wilkes-Booth-worshiping, tax-and-flag-burn Commusexualismistics?


Bravissimo!
 
2013-12-13 05:56:02 PM
I'm just here for the inevitable flame war.

/Popcorn is needed.
//And more alkyhol.
 
2013-12-13 05:58:45 PM
truth-out.org
 
2013-12-13 05:59:35 PM
theunrecordedman.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-13 05:59:36 PM
Reevaluation is for liberal pussies, subby.
 
2013-12-13 06:00:14 PM

zerkalo: [truth-out.org image 320x213]


Dammit. Ok, fine.

i182.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-13 06:02:49 PM
I wish he was a tax and spend person. He is just a spending person.
 
2013-12-13 06:03:36 PM
"The last time we checked, we are the American people," the letter said.

Well, you're also a really small political minority that can't get out of its own way and constantly makes it harder to actually achieve your stated goals.

I hope everyone understands that these people will start shooting at us at some point.
 
2013-12-13 06:04:57 PM

timujin: Basically the point I came to make... to these people anyone who would, for any reason, tax the populace and then spend that money is, by definition, a tax-and-spend liberal.


I didn't fight in the whiskey rebellion just to see the government tax people and then spend the proceeds.
 
2013-12-13 06:05:31 PM

vernonFL: I never thought I'd describe John Boehner as a sober, rational person.

But here we are.


I can only assume this tea party backlash should get him right back on that single malt sippy cup.
 
2013-12-13 06:05:33 PM

BKITU: Well, inasmuch as he has voted in favor of appropriations bills that have nonzero tax rates, and also voted in favor of bills describing specific ways for the Federal government to spend the revenue generated from the aforementioned taxes, and that the combination thereby saddles him as a Marxist among many of the teatarded persuasion... yes, what the teatards have said is true, from a potato point of view.


img.fark.net
 
2013-12-13 06:06:36 PM
So, if I was Republican, I would now have to deiced which kind of Republican I am?
How many types of "Republican" are there?
imageshack.us
Are you people sure you know what you're doing?
 
2013-12-13 06:06:39 PM
I been sayin since day 1 Boehner is the biggest lib there is in Congress and you libs are just pretending he's not to try to trick the Real American Patriots into believing lies and deceit so you can feel better about getting suckered in to 0bummer's lies afterward. John Boehner is a tax and spend liberal, as opposed to the alternative no taxes and spend anyway Real American Patriots
 
2013-12-13 06:07:23 PM

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img.fark.net
 
2013-12-13 06:09:27 PM
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2013-12-13 06:11:00 PM
Sh*t, spending is exactly what we need right now. We should be so lucky.
 
2013-12-13 06:11:20 PM
You never see Karl Marx and John Boehner in the same room at the same time. Coincidence?
 
2013-12-13 06:12:10 PM
It's simple math. Boehner's liberalness can be measured by dividing Fartbongo by Boehner, plus herp. This gives us Boehner's derp quotient. If his derp is less than potato, then he is a lib. And clearly, as any astute mathematician can see, his derp quotient is precisely .984 potato. We here at the Family Association of Truth and Values of American Greatness have determined, through our in-depth mathematical formula, that Boehner is indeed a left-wing lib Marxist.
 
2013-12-13 06:12:25 PM
But doesn't tax & spend make a dickload more sense than borrow & spend if one worries about deficits and such?
 
2013-12-13 06:13:09 PM
Good. Let them eat each other and maybe we can elect someone who can get things done.
 
2013-12-13 06:14:39 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: You never see Karl Marx and John Boehner in the same room at the same time. Coincidence?


Duh, Karl Marx is a lizard person. Boehner is just his latest disguise.
 
2013-12-13 06:15:34 PM
But is he a forgive and forget Christian?

s.mcstatic.com
 
2013-12-13 06:15:54 PM

zerkalo: [truth-out.org image 320x213]


i1126.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-13 06:16:51 PM

QuesoDelicioso: But doesn't tax & spend make a dickload more sense than borrow & spend if one worries about deficits and such?


It does, which is why the teabaggers have been saying it is somehow a bad thing.
 
2013-12-13 06:17:08 PM

QuesoDelicioso: But doesn't tax & spend make a dickload more sense than borrow & spend if one worries about deficits and such?


Only if the money isn't going to those good for nothing layabout shines. Hard work, Jesus, and the lash are what they need by gum!
 
2013-12-13 06:18:16 PM

Mrtraveler01: I've been waiting for this thread since Boehner made those comments yesterday.

What took so long?


There were 20 Obamacare headlines to green light.
 
2013-12-13 06:22:32 PM
...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.
 
2013-12-13 06:23:46 PM

randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.


He's not?
 
2013-12-13 06:24:36 PM
"We are the American people!"


Forget about the other 275 million or so of you. It's just us!
 
2013-12-13 06:26:58 PM

Heliovdrake: zerkalo: [truth-out.org image 320x213]

fusillade762: [theunrecordedman.files.wordpress.com image 400x324]


Ok, that's the first time in quite a while I laughed aloud at something in the politics tab.
 
2013-12-13 06:27:12 PM
i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-13 06:28:05 PM

randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.


I know! Both sides are bad. LOL.
 
2013-12-13 06:30:26 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Mrtraveler01: I've been waiting for this thread since Boehner made those comments yesterday.

What took so long?

First it had to make the rounds on sites like Reddit, Digg, Yahoo, and FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD.  Next, they had to make sure all funny and mocking headlines were rejected. Next, they had to wait for Drew to sober up and decide what to actually greenlight.


Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait. Digg still exists?
 
2013-12-13 06:31:17 PM

randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.


He wants to cut spending and increase taxes on the top 1%. How is that NOT a moderate position/
 
2013-12-13 06:31:32 PM

vernonFL: I never thought I'd describe John Boehner as a sober, rational person.

But here we are.


Go have a couple drinks.   Maybe more than a couple.   It should help.
 
2013-12-13 06:31:59 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Princess Ryans Knickers: Mrtraveler01: I've been waiting for this thread since Boehner made those comments yesterday.

What took so long?

First it had to make the rounds on sites like Reddit, Digg, Yahoo, and FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD.  Next, they had to make sure all funny and mocking headlines were rejected. Next, they had to wait for Drew to sober up and decide what to actually greenlight.

Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait. Digg still exists?


Must be, I still keep getting e-mails from them even though I haven't been on it in nearly 6 years.
 
2013-12-13 06:32:08 PM

crab66: "We are the American people!"


Forget about the other 275 million or so of you. It's just us!


This is what happens when you keep referring to a small minority as "Real America". They start to believe it.
 
2013-12-13 06:32:26 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Commusexualismistics


Tell me more, wise man.
 
2013-12-13 06:34:21 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: How long until Rand Paul and Steve Stockman are revealed to be America-hating, ACORN-beholden, aroused-by-Soros, Monticello-upper-decking. John-Wilkes-Booth-worshiping, tax-and-flag-burn Commusexualismistics?


One of these things is not like the others . . .

/I do love your rants, though
 
2013-12-13 06:37:27 PM

cameroncrazy1984: randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.

He wants to cut spending and increase taxes on the top 1%. How is that NOT a moderate position/


Melanin correlates with ubermensch liberalism
 
2013-12-13 06:38:55 PM

edmo: I'm no Boner fan but the Tea Party is seriously hampering his ability to get things done in the way the GOP would like.


YA THINK?!
 
2013-12-13 06:39:25 PM
Oh yea, here we go. This is definitely gonna be good.


http://gifrific.com/man-eating-out-of-big-bag-of-popcorn/
 
2013-12-13 06:39:35 PM

DirkValentine: vernonFL: I never thought I'd describe John Boehner as a sober, rational person.

But here we are.

Go have a couple drinks.   Maybe more than a couple.   It should help.


Couple Boehners of scotch and you should be Boehnered enough to believe it.
 
2013-12-13 06:41:56 PM

edmo: I'm no Boner fan but the Tea Party is seriously hampering his ability to get things done in the way the GOP would like.


FTFY
 
2013-12-13 06:42:30 PM

cameroncrazy1984: He wants to cut spending and increase taxes on the top 1%. How is that NOT a moderate position/


HE'S THE LIBERALEST LIB WHO EVER LIBBED, YOU DOLT!!1!11!!one
 
2013-12-13 06:42:42 PM
We live in a truly farked up universe when people think Boehner is anything but a hard-right ideologue.
 
2013-12-13 06:42:45 PM

QuesoDelicioso: But doesn't tax & spend make a dickload more sense than borrow & spend if one worries about deficits and such?


You forget the recent addition to the Tea Party agenda, which is to default on the debt. That solves the whole deficit problem in just one day.
 
2013-12-13 06:43:39 PM

DirkValentine: vernonFL: I never thought I'd describe John Boehner as a sober, rational person.

But here we are.

Go have a couple drinks.   Maybe more than a couple.   It should help.


That's what Boehner said!
 
2013-12-13 06:45:03 PM
www.redstate.com
 
2013-12-13 07:00:05 PM
comments there are amazingly entertaining.  
  "REJECT PHONY LIBERALISM! - JOIN THE TEA PARTY"
  "the push that sends Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, and all the other RINO's out the door"
  "the RNC is an enemy of Conservatives"
  "What's extreme about the Tea Party agenda? Please give one concrete example"

I cannot understand how they are oblivious to the cause of their problems.  The "us versus them, all or nothing" mentality is nothing but the definition of division, and they wonder why the Republican party is fracturing.
 
2013-12-13 07:08:24 PM
All that effort put into achieving a permanent republican majority and all they got for it was teatards.
 
2013-12-13 07:09:04 PM
It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.
 
2013-12-13 07:13:48 PM

johnnyrocket: Oh yea, here we go. This is definitely gonna be good.


http://gifrific.com/man-eating-out-of-big-bag-of-popcorn/


My god. There must be so much salt in that bag of popcorn he could crawl inside and be mummified for centuries.

DirkValentine: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Commusexualismistics

Tell me more, wise man.


Alas, it stops being fun when they pull out the charts and graphs. You're better just to imagine Karl Marx in leather chaps, and after all, weren't we all doing that already? I hear all the center right president supporters are into it these days.
 
2013-12-13 07:16:26 PM

HotWingConspiracy: "The last time we checked, we are the American people," the letter said.

Well, you're also a really small political minority that can't get out of its own way and constantly makes it harder to actually achieve your stated goals.

I hope everyone understands that these people will start shooting at us at some point.


Yes, and I'm sure the individuals in question - with their iron grasp on reality - visualize themselves as steely-eyed freedom fighters, striking out at a hated totalitarian regime, and that The People will join them when the time is right.

You know, like Timothy McVeigh
 
2013-12-13 07:22:25 PM

Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.


NPR: Nice, Polite Republicans
 
2013-12-13 07:35:47 PM
i200.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-13 07:39:40 PM

FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 425x256]


Bukkake snake on the gasm'ed flag?
 
2013-12-13 07:50:40 PM
The problem you "elite" liberal "intellectuals" have is that you confine your thinking so much.  To you, every word has a dictionary definition, and that's the only way you can understand that word.  But a true free-thinker can throw out the dictionary and use words to mean entirely different things, vastly expanding the intellectual possibilities of philosophy and understanding.

Free your mind, slaves.
 
2013-12-13 08:00:20 PM

Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.


Yeah, NPR isn't exactly the bastion of liberalism these days. They've fallen into the same false-equivalency trap that most of the big outlets have.
 
2013-12-13 08:01:39 PM

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img.fark.net
 
2013-12-13 08:02:25 PM
Yup, that Boehner is a no good tax and spend liberal.  We need a real american tea party patriot to be house speaker.  Someone who will wear a nifty tricorn hat and a pair of pantaloons in the house.  Perhaps they can even write their speeches with a quill and ink instead of with this new fangled word processor.
 
2013-12-13 08:16:58 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-13 08:17:02 PM
staroftexasinn.com
 
2013-12-13 08:19:10 PM

Gergesa: Yup, that Boehner is a no good tax and spend liberal.  We need a real american tea party patriot to be house speaker.  Someone who will wear a nifty tricorn hat and a pair of pantaloons in the house.  Perhaps they can even write their speeches with a quill and ink instead of with this new fangled word processor.


Make it a bald eagle feather, so it's extra 'Merican. But you can't have the presidential bill signing pen giveaway stop, so we're going to have to pluck all the eagles. We can have grandmothers knit eagle snuggies, like Betsy Ross would have.
 
2013-12-13 08:21:03 PM
Yes! Primary him, and then replace him with a crazy right wing motherfarker who blurts out racist and misogynistic tirades and then turns out to have an extensive collection of child pornography just before the election. Run losers, repubs, so you'll lose! Then maybe we can go back to being a country with a functional government again instead of Weimar Germany circa 1932.
 
2013-12-13 08:32:53 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Yeah, NPR isn't exactly the bastion of liberalism these days. They've fallen into the same false-equivalency trap that most of the big outlets have.


These days? Were you listening shortly after the start of the Iraq War fiasco when it was nothing but Middle-Eastern Muslim Professors talking about how of course the war wasn't going well but it would be Worth It in the End (tm)?

I like NPR and listen to it almost daily. But All Things Considered and Morning Edition are pretty standard centrist media institutions, though they go into more depth than you normally find.
 
2013-12-13 08:33:52 PM
www.austinchronicle.com

SPLITTERS!!
 
2013-12-13 08:40:33 PM
I call that bold talk for one brain-celled fat men.
 
2013-12-13 08:40:59 PM

vernonFL: I never thought I'd describe John Boehner as a sober, rational person.

But here we are.


You're wrong about the sober part...

/just sayin'
 
2013-12-13 08:42:46 PM
It's like watching gladiators fight. I don't really give a shiat who wins, as long as it's bloody.

Lie in the bed you made for yourselves, GOP. You should have kicked these loonies to the curb immediately instead of flirting with them.
 
2013-12-13 08:49:13 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: It's like watching gladiators fight. I don't really give a shiat who wins, as long as it's bloody.

Lie in the bed you made for yourselves, GOP. You should have kicked these loonies to the curb immediately instead of flirting with them.


Advice I wish I'd taken in college...
 
2013-12-13 08:50:54 PM

muck1969: comments there are amazingly entertaining.  
  "REJECT PHONY LIBERALISM! - JOIN THE TEA PARTY"
  "the push that sends Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, and all the other RINO's out the door"
  "the RNC is an enemy of Conservatives"
  "What's extreme about the Tea Party agenda? Please give one concrete example"

I cannot understand how they are oblivious to the cause of their problems.  The "us versus them, all or nothing" mentality is nothing but the definition of division, and they wonder why the Republican party is fracturing.

becoming more pure.

Run them RINOs outta town!
 
2013-12-13 08:52:36 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: It's like watching gladiators fight. I don't really give a shiat who wins, as long as it's bloody.

Lie in the bed you made for yourselves, GOP. You should have kicked these loonies to the curb immediately instead of flirting with them.


But they hated the darkie, too... They were brothers in arms ;)
 
2013-12-13 08:55:49 PM

Githerax: The problem you "elite" liberal "intellectuals" have is that you confine your thinking so much.  To you, every word has a dictionary definition, and that's the only way you can understand that word.  But a true free-thinker can throw out the dictionary and use words to mean entirely different things, vastly expanding the intellectual possibilities of philosophy and understanding.

Free your mind, slaves.


YES!
i105.photobucket.com
Elitist libs think words have denotations, but Real Americans know that they only have connotations.
 
2013-12-13 08:59:15 PM
FloydA:
Elitist libs think words have denotations, but Real Americans know that they only have connotations.

Real Americans don't even know what the word connotation means.
 
2013-12-13 09:02:46 PM
Yet another example of the American 'Conservative' binary, 'With us or against us' worldview.
 
2013-12-13 09:02:57 PM

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.

He's not?


Wait, He's not?
 
2013-12-13 09:11:13 PM

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.

He's not?


Think about who you're talking to, to that dude anyone left of Glenn Beck might as well be Vladimir Lenin
 
2013-12-13 09:21:22 PM

timujin: Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.

He's not?

Think about who you're talking to, to that dude  Teabaggers anyone left of Glenn Beck might as well be Vladimir Lenin

 
2013-12-13 09:24:11 PM
i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-12-13 09:38:16 PM
Reality is quite inconsequential.
 
2013-12-13 09:48:02 PM
From TFA:

"Tea Party Patriots said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has "declared war on the Tea Party" with his "smug and pretentious rant" against certain right-wing organizations.

The group made the charge in a fundraising email to supporters, seeking to win donations over the public feuding.

In the past two days, Boehner has repeatedly attacked the conservative groups that championed the October effort to defund ObamaCare and are now opposed to the recent budget deal negotiated by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.).

He has criticized the groups for being more interested in raising money than actually solving problems."

So he was right about them then?
 
2013-12-13 09:53:27 PM
The problem with the Tea Party is the expect and demand that all of their wishes are met.  They don't understand that in politics, and especially with the budget, you are going to have to compromise.  There's a certain class of democrats who are the same way, just not as prominent.
 
2013-12-13 09:57:18 PM

OgreMagi: The problem with the Tea Party is the expect and demand that all of their wishes are met. They don't understand that in politics, and especially with the budget, you are going to have to compromise.  There's a certain class of democrats who are the same way, just not as prominent.

 
2013-12-13 10:29:02 PM
Please proceed.
 
2013-12-13 10:30:35 PM

BKITU: what the teatards have said is true, from a potato point of view.


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2013-12-13 10:30:41 PM
One problem with the Tea Party is they don't have any concept of cause and effect. For example, they want to outlaw abortion. Ok, so where is the money going to come from to take care of all these unwanted children? Huh? Oh, let the charities take care of them? No, they become wards of the state and as such the state will ultimately require more money to take care of them. (If I recall, Texas is dealing with this very issue)
 
2013-12-13 10:33:42 PM
Not reading article or comments but....by definition every politician is a tax-and-spend politician.
 
2013-12-13 10:35:06 PM

randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.


So, you're saying you are satisfied with the derpification factor displayed by Boehner over at least a 2-year time frame?
 
2013-12-13 10:36:32 PM
The Tea Party Patriots respond to allegations that they are only interested in raising money by issuing a fundraising email blasting its accusers. Could these patriots be stirring up controversy just to protect their phoney baloney jobs? Quick, Robin, to the Batmobile!
 
2013-12-13 10:51:46 PM

dripping with sarcasm: One problem with the Tea Party is they don't have any concept of cause and effect. For example, they want to outlaw abortion. Ok, so where is the money going to come from to take care of all these unwanted children? Huh? Oh, let the charities take care of them? No, they become wards of the state and as such the state will ultimately require more money to take care of them. (If I recall, Texas is dealing with this very issue)


I've seen that someplace... The second season of American Horror Story: a good ChristianQuiverfull sanctuary with a big dose of liberal minded medicalization. Of course, the med school graduates can't be trusted, but the nuns will do their best to correct them.
 
2013-12-13 11:00:18 PM

dripping with sarcasm: One problem with the Tea Party is they don't have any concept of cause and effect. For example, they want to outlaw abortion. Ok, so where is the money going to come from to take care of all these unwanted children? Huh? Oh, let the charities take care of them? No, they become wards of the state and as such the state will ultimately require more money to take care of them. (If I recall, Texas is dealing with this very issue)


An argument I had with a fundie ended with me saying, "your choices are allow abortions, toss a few bucks at planned parenthood for contraceptives, or more welfare babies.  Which one do you choose?  There are no other choices."  He insisted that people should stop having sex.  I didn't bother mentioned a few hundred thousand years of evolution driving people to have sex since that would start a whole new argument.
 
2013-12-13 11:02:10 PM

vernonFL: I never thought I'd describe John Boehner as a sober, rational person.

But here we are.


I have the weirdest Boehner right now.
 
2013-12-13 11:09:19 PM
HotWingConspiracy:
I hope everyone understands that these people will start shooting at us at some point.

I've taken the liberty of mapping out every obese redneck with a Gadsden flag somewhere on their pickup truck within 5 miles of me so I can avoid them while their temper tantrums peak to the suicide by cop level.
 
2013-12-13 11:12:23 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Sh*t, spending is exactly what we need right now. We should be so lucky.


The money to pay for that spending will come out of your children's and grandchildren's pockets. Why do you hate your descendants?
 
2013-12-13 11:15:36 PM

vernonFL: I never thought I'd describe John Boehner as a sober, rational person.

But here we are.


Truly, proof that all things are indeed relative.
 
2013-12-13 11:18:36 PM

DrPainMD: he money to pay for that spending will come out of your children's and grandchildren's pockets.


This is silly.
 
2013-12-13 11:27:19 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: DrPainMD: he money to pay for that spending will come out of your children's and grandchildren's pockets.

This is silly.


Which works out great since the post office funding problems are rooted in paying for their pensions.
 
2013-12-13 11:27:47 PM

bwilson27: timujin: Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: ...Sort of reminds me of liberals on this very site who I've seen swear that Obama is some kind of center right moderate.

He's not?

Think about who you're talking to, to that dude Teabaggers anyone left of Glenn Beck might as well be Vladimir Lenin


po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to
 
2013-12-13 11:28:57 PM

snowshovel: Which works out great since the post office funding problems are rooted in paying for their pensions.


Okay?
 
2013-12-13 11:33:50 PM
"Boehner has declared war on us by claiming we're more concerned about raising money than solving problems. We need your money to fight him."
 
2013-12-13 11:34:28 PM

DrPainMD: Dusk-You-n-Me: Sh*t, spending is exactly what we need right now. We should be so lucky.

The money to pay for that spending will come out of your children's and grandchildren's pockets. Why do you hate your descendants?


I don't have any kids. F*ck 'em.
 
2013-12-13 11:34:51 PM

DrPainMD: Dusk-You-n-Me: Sh*t, spending is exactly what we need right now. We should be so lucky.

The money to pay for that spending will come out of your children's and grandchildren's pockets. Why do you hate your descendants?


Only because you're too afraid to ask those who can afford it to pay for it.
 
2013-12-13 11:34:59 PM

poonesfarm: Tea Party Patriots said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has "declared war on the Tea Party" with his "smug and pretentious rant" against certain right-wing organizations.


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2013-12-13 11:35:38 PM

RyansPrivates: From TFA:

"Tea Party Patriots said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has "declared war on the Tea Party" with his "smug and pretentious rant" against certain right-wing organizations.

The group made the charge in a fundraising email to supporters, seeking to win donations over the public feuding.

In the past two days, Boehner has repeatedly attacked the conservative groups that championed the October effort to defund ObamaCare and are now opposed to the recent budget deal negotiated by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.).

He has criticized the groups for being more interested in raising money than actually solving problems."

So he was right about them then?


Ayup. The Tea Party is just the latest in a long line of methods for fleecing the rubes.
 
2013-12-13 11:48:51 PM
Keeping the graft moving to the 1%.  R & D incorporated.  Making you cheer the rape of your money.
 
2013-12-13 11:57:28 PM
All your base are belong to us.
 
2013-12-13 11:59:29 PM
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2013-12-14 12:08:13 AM
I love this. The Republican Party has gotten to be the party of the rich AND the rubes for long enough. They needed to pick one and it's good to see them act sanely for once.
 
2013-12-14 12:39:48 AM
Oh, that's adorable. Boehner wants to act like he had nothing to do with the shutdown or the extremist tactics the GOP's been using all this time. "I swear, it was those groups of far-right conservatives that did it and I was totally powerless to do anything. It was them. THEM. Not me, no. Those people...no not those people like we usually mean when we say "those people", but rather those other people."
 
2013-12-14 01:15:11 AM
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2013-12-14 01:29:10 AM

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You're actually a:

Dumb
Obnoxious
Uninformed
Callous
Hateful
Extremist

Bag.
 
2013-12-14 01:47:42 AM
Now is a good time for the teabaggers to get all bootstrappy and form their own party. But then I always think it's a good time to split the Republican party.
 
2013-12-14 02:17:28 AM

SecretAgentWoman: Hahahaha...

On a serious note, I'd never thought I root for mainstream, moderate Republicans.

Then I think, no...that will confuse the voters, let them derp and eat each other into a Democrat majority, and let's get some things accomplished.

And then I thought, hey...I should have another glass of wine!


Save the glass for until after the tallys are done next November.  We do not want to see this next round get Coakley'd.
 
2013-12-14 02:19:54 AM
Collect taxes, spend them on the nation.

That's how every government works, or has ever worked.

I used to joke that if the Bush Administration tried to play the video game Majesty, they'd quickly bankrupt themselves by posting bounties on the heads of their own tax collectors, so they'd run out of money to post bounties with.  But it's even more true for the Teabaggers.
 
2013-12-14 02:32:10 AM

SecretAgentWoman: Hahahaha...

On a serious note, I'd never thought I root for mainstream, moderate Republicans.

Then I think, no...that will confuse the voters, let them derp and eat each other into a Democrat majority, and let's get some things accomplished.

And then I thought, hey...I should have another glass of wine!


The Democrats won't get anything done, even with a majority, as long as they believe those people who would never vote for them have good points to make.  Thus, ironically, treating their opponents with respect is the trait that most drags down the Democrats.
 
2013-12-14 02:37:17 AM

Empty Matchbook: Fuggin Bizzy: It's like watching gladiators fight. I don't really give a shiat who wins, as long as it's bloody.

Lie in the bed you made for yourselves, GOP. You should have kicked these loonies to the curb immediately instead of flirting with them.

Advice I wish I'd taken in college...


Never stick your Boehner in crazy.
 
2013-12-14 04:52:45 AM

Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.


It's funny watching the extreme right go down in flames just like the McCarthyites did in the late Fifties. In another two election cycles the only people talking about the Tea Party will be third rate stand ups at open mic improv nights.
 
2013-12-14 06:44:51 AM

timujin: tax-and-spend liberal.


America isn't going to die at the hands of stupid people, so much as at the hands of idiotic terms and memes. Dull people get so hung up on labels that they stop thinking.
 
2013-12-14 07:45:22 AM

jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.

It's funny watching the extreme right go down in flames just like the McCarthyites did in the late Fifties. In another two election cycles the only people talking about the Tea Party will be third rate stand ups at open mic improv nights.


We can only hope. I for one don't have that much faith in the uninformed American public to "do the right thing".

And by "do the right thing", I mean to never ever vote for Tea Party idiots ever again.
 
2013-12-14 09:33:17 AM

my lip balm addiction: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.

It's funny watching the extreme right go down in flames just like the McCarthyites did in the late Fifties. In another two election cycles the only people talking about the Tea Party will be third rate stand ups at open mic improv nights.

We can only hope. I for one don't have that much faith in the uninformed American public to "do the right thing".

And by "do the right thing", I mean to never ever vote for Tea Party idiots ever again.


Sad but true.  My biggest problem is that the Tea Party and neocons have actually robbed America of a functioning two party system.  It used to be there were a right of center and left of center party.  The left of center party was socially liberal, economically moderate.  The right of center party was socially moderate, economically conservative.  So you had people like Bill Clinton who though he made some economically moderate policies (i.e. welfare reform, signing NAFTA) also had significant liberal policies: FMLA, Brady Bill, increase in number of Pell Grants, HOPE scholarships, most diverse cabinent in history, more women on the federal bench, etc.   Right before him was George HW Bush, who had some socially moderate policies (ADA, reauthorized clean air act) but also had significant conservative policies: Gulf War, drafting NAFTA, Clarence Thomas to Supreme Court, continuation of Reagan tax and deregulation policies.

Heck if you go back before Reagan and look at Nixon, aside from the whole criminal thing, he had some significant moderate policy choices: the EPA, a proposal for a "proto-"Obamacare (health insurance mandate + expansion of medicaid)
 
2013-12-14 10:07:44 AM

Satanic_Hamster: poonesfarm: Tea Party Patriots said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has "declared war on the Tea Party" with his "smug and pretentious rant" against certain right-wing organizations.


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Well played. You get a smart and a funny for that.
 
2013-12-14 11:09:37 AM

my lip balm addiction: jso2897: Noam Chimpsky: It's funny listening to NPR, which I do a lot of, using all their energy to defend Boenhead and that Transylvanian smartass Ryan.

It's funny watching the extreme right go down in flames just like the McCarthyites did in the late Fifties. In another two election cycles the only people talking about the Tea Party will be third rate stand ups at open mic improv nights.

We can only hope. I for one don't have that much faith in the uninformed American public to "do the right thing".

And by "do the right thing", I mean to never ever vote for Tea Party idiots ever again.


No - but the huge, distorting bulge in the voting demographic that put the Reaganoids in charge is getting real old now - which means they are going to start voting liberal (dependent on public spending now), and then die. As demographics swing young, they will swing left.
There have always been idiots - it's just a numbers game, and this huge generation of people who have gotten their own way ever since they got the vote just gave them more power than usual, for a while - but that time is coming to an end.
 
m00
2013-12-14 11:23:06 AM
I think people enjoying bullying too much to really examine what is true about the Tea Party's ideas -- that our government taxes the poor and middle class to pay for wars and domestic spying, and corporate handouts, and the lavish lifestyle of the 1%. When the poor and middle class are taxed to death, they tax the children, and the children's children by borrowing money.

But by all means, have fun picking on the TeaTards
 
2013-12-14 11:30:17 AM

m00: think people enjoying bullying too much to really examine what is true about the Tea Party's ideas -- that our government taxes the poor and middle class to pay for wars and domestic spying, and corporate handouts, and the lavish lifestyle of the 1%.


That's not the tea party position at all.
 
2013-12-14 11:38:55 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: How long until Rand Paul and Steve Stockman are revealed to be America-hating, ACORN-beholden, aroused-by-Soros, Monticello-upper-decking. John-Wilkes-Booth-worshiping, tax-and-flag-burn Commusexualismistics?


7 more minutes...
 
2013-12-14 11:52:34 AM

m00: I think people enjoying bullying too much to really examine what is true about the Tea Party's ideas -- that our government taxes the poor and middle class to pay for wars and domestic spying, and corporate handouts, and the lavish lifestyle of the 1%. When the poor and middle class are taxed to death, they tax the children, and the children's children by borrowing money.

But by all means, have fun picking on the TeaTards


Every idiot I have ever met I my life was right about one or two general things. If believing one or two defensible generalities make the Tea Partiers "not idiots", then there are no idiots.
But, you see, Virginia - there are idiots in the world - and those idiots are people who believe in a few good, decent, defensible generalities. And given their way, they would wreck everything.
So we stop them.
Life, I hate to tell you, is complicated.
 
m00
2013-12-14 11:55:21 AM

cameroncrazy1984: That's not the tea party position at all.


Well, it's not the position that the Tea Party's opponents in the media attribute to them. But it's their actual position. I used to think Sarah Palin was basically a dumb narcissist that had no business in politics. Then a few years ago I watched a speech she gave at a Tea Party rally on youtube captured by some dude's camera phone. She was extremely articulate and laid out the above message. She railed against corporations, and how taxes basically go to corporate welfare and government oppression (Patriot Act type stuff) and foreign wars that benefit corporations.

It made me think about how much of what I think I know is merely what the media reports, all twisted up to fit their narrative.

Anyway, the Tea Party is a decentralized movement. It absolutely has its fair share of radical reactionaries in Tricorn hats. But there's also an extremely legitimate message underneath it all. I just don't think the media wants you to know about it, because it doesn't fit their narrative. OWS basically got screwed the same way.
 
2013-12-14 12:15:11 PM

m00: and how taxes basically go to corporate welfare


The Tea Party is the only group that polls against raising the minimum wage, which would go a long way to reducing corporate welfare. Ds, Is, Rs, all for. Tea Party, against.
 
m00
2013-12-14 12:29:34 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: The Tea Party is the only group that polls against raising the minimum wage, which would go a long way to reducing corporate welfare. Ds, Is, Rs, all for. Tea Party, against.


I think raising the minimum wage is the wrong solution, because it further hands a government endorsed economic monopoly to the large welfare-receiving corporations. They can absorb any min-wage cost easily because the government gives them money. Hell, they'll probably find a way to get reimbursed because their lobbyist lawyers reach far into the policy-making of government.

If we want to help people, don't increase the minimum wage... instead, make the corporations and wealthy actually pay taxes and stop giving them handouts. Use those taxes to invest in infrastructure and provide a strong social safety net. This will allow small businesses to flourish, which will lower unemployment rate, which will raise wages.
 
2013-12-14 12:38:24 PM

m00: I think raising the minimum wage is the wrong solution, because it further hands a government endorsed economic monopoly to the large welfare-receiving corporations.


This makes no sense. "further hands a government endorsed economic monopoly? The hell?

m00: instead, make the corporations and wealthy actually pay taxes and stop giving them handouts.


80% of the Tea Party oppose raising taxes on the rich, compared with 56% of the GOP.

I don't know what mythical Tea Party you think you're supporting. You may want to recheck their platform. And then check the progressive platform, because it actually does reduce corporate welfare and make the wealthy pay more.
 
2013-12-14 12:50:59 PM

cameroncrazy1984: m00: think people enjoying bullying too much to really examine what is true about the Tea Party's ideas -- that our government taxes the poor and middle class to pay for wars and domestic spying, and corporate handouts, and the lavish lifestyle of the 1%.

That's not the tea party position at all.


The tea party position is keep my bennies coming and cut off the other guy and I want to pay(tax) less. Oh, and support the troops until they come home. Yea, murica!
 
2013-12-14 01:05:21 PM
Remember when Soros co-opted the OWS movement, and bankrolled all their demonstrations? And then got MSNBC to inflate their numbers and run ads supporting them? Good times.
 
2013-12-14 01:31:39 PM
Dusk-You-n-Me:

This makes no sense. "further hands a government endorsed economic monopoly? The hell?


Pretty simple, actually. Raising the minimum wage hurts those that are the least 'diversified'. For example, a large corporation with multiple revenue streams can pass increased costs to consumers while the local Mom and Pop has no such option. It's the same thing Wal-Mart does; when they arrive in a new community, they run at a loss until the competition dies while making it up somewhere else. Smaller businesses often run on tighter spreads, so a raise in the minimum kills them while large corporations lose the competition. Why do you think big business supports the regulatory State so much? It's because the regulations kill small businesses. 

Besides, the minimum wage makes no sense whatsoever. Aside from the fact it is essentially outlawing low-paying jobs (it never fails to amaze me how economic liberals imagine the corporate big dogs going "Ah shiat, I guess I have to cut into my profits now to pay my workers more! They finally got me!!" Grow up. They just pass the cost onto consumers.) why are you such misers?

If the minimum wage is so great and has no downside to the economy, why not take it up to $25/50/100/500 bucks an hour? Why not decree a minimum of 150K/year for everyone?
 
2013-12-14 01:43:27 PM

jpbreon: Besides, the minimum wage makes no sense whatsoever.


Oh. Well this isn't going to go well.

jpbreon: If the minimum wage is so great and has no downside to the economy, why not take it up to $25/50/100/500 bucks an hour? Why not decree a minimum of 150K/year for everyone?


People really need to stop using this idiotic argument. I'm sure I'll see it in the next minimum wage thread. Best of luck.
 
2013-12-14 01:45:25 PM

jpbreon: Pretty simple, actually. Raising the minimum wage hurts those that are the least 'diversified'. For example, a large corporation with multiple revenue streams can pass increased costs to consumers while the local Mom and Pop has no such option. It's the same thing Wal-Mart does; when they arrive in a new community, they run at a loss until the competition dies while making it up somewhere else. Smaller businesses often run on tighter spreads, so a raise in the minimum kills them while large corporations lose the competition. Why do you think big business supports the regulatory State so much? It's because the regulations kill small businesses. 

Besides, the minimum wage makes no sense whatsoever. Aside from the fact it is essentially outlawing low-paying jobs (it never fails to amaze me how economic liberals imagine the corporate big dogs going "Ah shiat, I guess I have to cut into my profits now to pay my workers more! They finally got me!!" Grow up. They just pass the cost onto consumers.) why are you such misers?

If the minimum wage is so great and has no downside to the economy, why not take it up to $25/50/100/500 bucks an hour? Why not decree a minimum of 150K/year for everyone?


Are you trolling or an idiot?
 
2013-12-14 01:59:06 PM

jpbreon: If the minimum wage is so great and has no downside to the economy, why not take it up to $25/50/100/500 bucks an hour?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

stop doing that.
 
m00
2013-12-14 01:59:59 PM

dripping with sarcasm: The tea party position is keep my bennies coming and cut off the other guy and I want to pay(tax) less. Oh, and support the troops until they come home. Yea, murica!


That's the tea party position the same way that "helping terrorists win to institute socialism and death panels" is the liberal position. Meaning, if you form your opinion about a group based on the literature of those opposed to that group then you get a distorted view.
 
m00
2013-12-14 02:04:18 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: This makes no sense. "further hands a government endorsed economic monopoly? The hell?


Yes. Many regulations, including minimum wage, actually help wealthy corporations get wealthier (because of everything going on in the rest of the system). That's the problem.

Dusk-You-n-Me: 80% of the Tea Party oppose raising taxes on the rich, compared with 56% of the GOP.


I don't know where you get this figure. But ending corporate handouts is part of the tea party platform.

I don't know what mythical Tea Party you think you're supporting. You may want to recheck their platform. And then check the progressive platform, because it actually does reduce corporate welfare and make the wealthy pay more.

Really? We've had almost 6 years of Obama plus a Senate Democrat majority plus for the first two years a House Democrat majority. Why have the rich gotten (a whole lot) richer? And everyone else gotten poorer. Republicans? Are Republicans SO powerful that even when they control ZERO branches of government they still dictate policy? Think about that.
 
2013-12-14 02:05:19 PM

m00: That's the tea party position the same way that "helping terrorists win to institute socialism and death panels" is the liberal position.


Um, no, that's actually based on the Paul Ryan budget.
 
m00
2013-12-14 02:06:33 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Are you trolling or an idiot?


I actually think raising minimum wage would be a good idea if it was bundled with closing corporate tax loopholes (meaning handouts), ending regulations that favor big business, and generally getting corporations out of policy making.
 
m00
2013-12-14 02:08:52 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Um, no, that's actually based on the Paul Ryan budget


Have you personally read the Paul Ryan budget, or are you basing your opinion on someone else's analysis / commentary, that was featured in an article for a publication whose opinions you generally agree with (and therefore are inclined to read).
 
m00
2013-12-14 02:12:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Um, no, that's actually based on the Paul Ryan budget.


I would humbly suggest that if you want to be critical of the Ryan budget (which is entirely valid), you read it and form your own opinions.

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperity2013.pdf
 
2013-12-14 02:13:35 PM

m00: cameroncrazy1984: Um, no, that's actually based on the Paul Ryan budget

Have you personally read the Paul Ryan budget, or are you basing your opinion on someone else's analysis / commentary, that was featured in an article for a publication whose opinions you generally agree with (and therefore are inclined to read).


I've read it. It cuts taxes, raises military spending and doesn't close the deficit.
 
2013-12-14 02:13:48 PM

m00: Yes. Many regulations, including minimum wage, actually help wealthy corporations get wealthier (because of everything going on in the rest of the system). That's the problem.


You make this statement and the evidence is "because of everything going on in the rest of the system". That's not evidence. If you want to reduce inequality, pay labor more. It's not a difficult concept.

m00: But ending corporate handouts is part of the tea party platform.


Except the corporate welfare that arises when workers are paid so little they have to go on government assistance just to get by. A couple billion to Walmart's profits at your tax dollar expense. By not advocating for a higher minimum wage, this is what you are implicitly endorsing. You are on the side of corporate welfare.

m00: Really? We've had almost 6 years of Obama plus a Senate Democrat majority plus for the first two years a House Democrat majority. Why have the rich gotten (a whole lot) richer?


Because Obama isn't a progressive. Neither are most congressional democrats. The progressive caucus isn't all that large, chief. Most Democrats are 'centrist', otherwise known as Republicans. Which is why we saw taxes go up on the wealthiest, but the bar raised from $250K to $400K. A progressive President wouldn't have gone for that. He also wouldn't be begging the GOP to help him pass chained-CPI. Obama ain't no liberal.
 
2013-12-14 02:14:33 PM
Also LOL at the idea that to be critical of Ryan's budget you must have read it from some liberal mainstream MSM media source that doesn't like Ryan and is out to get him.
 
2013-12-14 02:15:16 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Except the corporate welfare that arises when workers are paid so little they have to go on government assistance just to get by. A couple billion to Walmart's profits at your tax dollar expense


This, in my opinion, is the best argument for raising the minimum wage. Don't want to subsidize Wal-Mart with your tax dollars? Raise the minimum wage.
 
m00
2013-12-14 02:33:25 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Also LOL at the idea that to be critical of Ryan's budget you must have read it from some liberal mainstream MSM media source that doesn't like Ryan and is out to get him.


There are a lot of valid criticisms one may have of the Ryan Budget. This isn't one of them: The tea party position is keep my bennies coming and cut off the other guy and I want to pay(tax) less. Oh, and support the troops until they come home. Yea, murica!

Just saying. Most people that have a strong opinion of the Ryan budget haven't even skimmed it. I get that it's a 100 page document. But it's okay not to have an opinion on something because you haven't gotten around to reading it.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where opinion merchants reign. People want to have an opinion, but don't have the time or energy to dig into the million things people are debating. So they go watch Bill O'Reilly or Anderson Cooper or  Rachel Maddow or read Huffington Post or Breitbart and get told what opinion they should have. I think it's not only destroying public discourse, but it's blurring the line between reality and conjecture.
 
m00
2013-12-14 02:37:42 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: You make this statement and the evidence is "because of everything going on in the rest of the system". That's not evidence. If you want to reduce inequality, pay labor more. It's not a difficult concept.


No, if you want to reduce inequality you stop taxing cap gains at 15% (or 0% if you're really wealthy) and labor at 30%. If you want to stop inequality you stop giving corporations like GE 2 billion dollars a year, while regulating the hell out of the local mom & pop deli. Raising minimum wage is like if thief steals your car the cops, instead of arresting him and giving you the car back, force him to buy you a skateboard.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Because Obama isn't a progressive. Neither are most congressional democrats.


I accept this as an answer. But if you are a progressive, you should stop voting Democrat. (And conservatives should stop voting Republican).
 
2013-12-14 02:45:53 PM
m00:
Just saying. Most people that have a strong opinion of the Ryan budget haven't even skimmed it.

Just saying, that's a generalization based on what you wish was happening.
 
2013-12-14 02:46:58 PM

m00: No, if you want to reduce inequality you stop taxing cap gains at 15% (or 0% if you're really wealthy) and labor at 30%. If you want to stop inequality you stop giving corporations like GE 2 billion dollars a year, while regulating the hell out of the local mom & pop deli. Raising minimum wage is like if thief steals your car the cops, instead of arresting him and giving you the car back, force him to buy you a skateboard.


No it isn't, that's an absolutely ridiculous analogy.

Of course, you can do both; raise the cap gains tax, lower taxes on the middle and lower classes, raise taxes on the top 1% and raise the minimum wage. ALL of that will help reduce income and wealth inequality.
 
m00
2013-12-14 02:55:22 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Just saying, that's a generalization based on what you wish was happening.


You're HONESTLY going to tell me that the majority of people who have an opinion -- one way or another -- on the Ryan Budget have read the 100 page document?
 
2013-12-14 02:57:29 PM

m00: cameroncrazy1984: Just saying, that's a generalization based on what you wish was happening.

You're HONESTLY going to tell me that the majority of people who have an opinion -- one way or another -- on the Ryan Budget have read the 100 page document?


Are you HONESTLY going to tell me that to have an opinion on a document people have to have read the entire thing? And that necessarily an opinion is wrong if it is based on solid analysis?
 
2013-12-14 02:58:04 PM
I would wager that  m00 has an opinion on the ACA, but I bet he hasn't read all 2700 pages of it. Therefore his opinion is wrong, no matter what it is.
 
m00
2013-12-14 03:02:13 PM

cameroncrazy1984: No it isn't, that's an absolutely ridiculous analogy.


It's a very accurate analogy. The large corporations (really in specific sectors) are stealing the wealth of this country. They do this with the help of the government who writes foreign and domestic policy specifically to aid large corporations in these sectors. There are innumerable examples from energy bills, to trade policy with China, to even the ACA. The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of this wealth that is extracted from the US economy is not reinvested. The problem with tackling things from the wage side is that there are plenty of small and medium sizes corporations that are also struggling, as they are not the beneficiaries of the pro-wealthy policy. Raising the minimum wage hurts them further.

But yeah raising the minimum wage from $10 to $15 isn't going to make a dent in wage inequality, especially because it will just get taxed away and given back to the rich again. The most it will do is sink some corner markets.
 
2013-12-14 03:02:16 PM

dave2198: Empty Matchbook: Fuggin Bizzy: It's like watching gladiators fight. I don't really give a shiat who wins, as long as it's bloody.

Lie in the bed you made for yourselves, GOP. You should have kicked these loonies to the curb immediately instead of flirting with them.

Advice I wish I'd taken in college...

Never stick your Boehner in crazy.


Best advice to give, hardest to follow.

/what she said
 
2013-12-14 03:04:46 PM

m00: The large corporations (really in specific sectors) are stealing the wealth of this country. They do this with the help of the government who writes foreign and domestic policy specifically to aid large corporations in these sectors


Sure, but it's not stealing to require them to pay their employees a minimum wage. As I've said before, I think we should do both. Why can't we pay Americans enough to live on? What is so wrong about that?
 
m00
2013-12-14 03:07:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I would wager that  m00 has an opinion on the ACA, but I bet he hasn't read all 2700 pages of it. Therefore his opinion is wrong, no matter what it is.


I've skimmed it, and read parts. My opinion on the ACA is that it benefits insurance companies, and it if it's going to accomplish its goals (aka benefit people who aren't corporations) there needs to be a public option. But my only strong objection to it is philosophical -- that it compels people to enter into a private contract. So they should have just taxed people, and provided insurance if they're going to go that route.

But I agree it's very hard to get the picture on a law as complex as the ACA, so I don't fault people for thinking it will work / not work. The success of initiatives that massive is all in the details, and there is a lot of them.
 
2013-12-14 03:11:06 PM

m00: 've skimmed it, and read parts. My opinion on the ACA is that it benefits insurance companies, and it if it's going to accomplish its goals (aka benefit people who aren't corporations) there needs to be a public option. But my only strong objection to it is philosophical -- that it compels people to enter into a private contract. So they should have just taxed people, and provided insurance if they're going to go that route.

But I agree it's very hard to get the picture on a law as complex as the ACA, so I don't fault people for thinking it will work / not work. The success of initiatives that massive is all in the details, and there is a lot of them.


Hence, why we rely on people who understand the details to help gain understanding of the law. Hence why it's okay to read summaries and analyses and gain insight into whether or not it will work. Hence why it's actually better to read an expert's opinion than to read the entire thing yourself and form an opinion.
 
2013-12-14 03:20:50 PM
OK, you heard him.  We now  have to disregard all secondary sources when commenting or forming an opinion on the Tea Party idiots.

What are secondary sources you ask?

"All of them, Katie."
 
m00
2013-12-14 03:20:58 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Sure, but it's not stealing to require them to pay their employees a minimum wage. As I've said before, I think we should do both. Why can't we pay Americans enough to live on? What is so wrong about that?


Okay lets say you are a Mom & Pop deli. I'm Walmart. We're competitors.

If I really, really need something I set the lobbying machine in motion and influence foreign and public policy. The goods on my shelves use factories in China where the working conditions are tantamount to slave labor.  I can "get out of" regulations that are inconvenient to me, because I have an army of lawyers. I have a whole department of Union busters. I also probably enjoy a much lower tax rate.

Minimum wage raises by $5. You are struggling to survive already, and now you can't afford to have an extra cashier. The guy you get your meat from is in the same boat, and he has to raise his meats by 3 cents / pound. Maybe your profit margins are so thin already that this is the straw that breaks the camel back.

On the other hand because I'm Walmart, I biatch about the increase in the news (free advertisement), pass the cost onto consumers and "blame" government for destroying the economy. I talk about how awful this is for America, and use my lobbying leverage to get some favorable loophole created in public policy that offsets the cost to me. Maybe the loophole is the minimum wage doesn't apply to "emergency shifts," so I have all my employes work 20 hour weeks + 20 hours "emergency shifts." Maybe I get to claim the amount on my income tax. Maybe I bargain to pay less tariffs. Let the lobbyists figure it out.

You risk going out of business. I influence policy so it doesn't affect me, and then I get to take over your customers.

Please, don't throw me in the briar patch.
 
m00
2013-12-14 03:24:47 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Hence, why we rely on people who understand the details to help gain understanding of the law. Hence why it's okay to read summaries and analyses and gain insight into whether or not it will work. Hence why it's actually better to read an expert's opinion than to read the entire thing yourself and form an opinion.


Well, my objection here is that all the media that give you the opinions are basically owned by the wealthy corporations who are the problem.

http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/communications/tv/mediacontrol.h tm l
 
2013-12-14 03:25:25 PM

m00: Okay lets say you are a Mom & Pop deli. I'm Walmart. We're competitors.

If I really, really need something I set the lobbying machine in motion and influence foreign and public policy.


Not sure what that has to do with raising the minimum wage?

m00: Minimum wage raises by $5. You are struggling to survive already, and now you can't afford to have an extra cashier. The guy you get your meat from is in the same boat, and he has to raise his meats by 3 cents / pound. Maybe your profit margins are so thin already that this is the straw that breaks the camel back.


Wait, why would you need an extra cashier if you're already struggling to survive? That doesn't make sense. A struggling business isn't expanding.
 
2013-12-14 03:26:51 PM

m00: Well, my objection here is that all the media that give you the opinions are basically owned by the wealthy corporations who are the problem.


Yeah, except no they're not. Also, the wealthy corporations are the ones who benefit MOST from a low minimum wage. See: Walmart and McDonald's benefiting from having their customer's go on food stamps and medicaid.
 
m00
2013-12-14 03:27:21 PM

born_yesterday: OK, you heard him. We now have to disregard all secondary sources when commenting or forming an opinion on the Tea Party idiots.


No, I'm just saying don't get your opinion on the 49ers from the President of the Cowboy's Fan Club.
 
2013-12-14 03:27:36 PM
Not customers, employees. We are subsidizing the wealthy corporations by having a low minimum wage is the point.
 
2013-12-14 03:28:34 PM

m00: born_yesterday: OK, you heard him. We now have to disregard all secondary sources when commenting or forming an opinion on the Tea Party idiots.

No, I'm just saying don't get your opinion on the 49ers from the President of the Cowboy's Fan Club.


That also doesn't make sense. If you're reading Krugman, you're getting your opinion on the 49ers by a Pulitzer prize-winning journalist well-educated in the NFL.
 
2013-12-14 03:29:44 PM
Apparently we have to disregard all secondary sources that are critical of the Ryan budget, because they are all in the pocket of wealthy corporations for some reason? This is seriously a weird argument, and it doesn't make any sense at all.
 
m00
2013-12-14 03:31:27 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Apparently we have to disregard all secondary sources that are critical of the Ryan budget, because they are all in the pocket of wealthy corporations for some reason? This is seriously a weird argument, and it doesn't make any sense at all.


Strawmen typically don't :D
 
2013-12-14 03:31:51 PM

m00: No, if you want to reduce inequality you stop taxing cap gains at 15% (or 0% if you're really wealthy) and labor at 30%.


Absolutely. You'll be happy to know that cap gains did go up for higher incomes. So there was that sliver of progressivism from the President. Your analogy on minimum wage is just silly. Labor's share of GDP is at historical lows. We are making history with low wages right now. Raise the goddamn minimum wage.

m00: If you want to stop inequality you stop giving corporations like GE 2 billion dollars a year, while regulating the hell out of the local mom & pop deli.


Agreed on GE. I don't agree that mom & pops are 'regulated to hell'. Regulations aren't the problem. A lack of demand is the problem. Raising the minimum wage puts money into consumers hands, creating demand. Surprise.

m00: I accept this as an answer. But if you are a progressive, you should stop voting Democrat. (And conservatives should stop voting Republican).


As a Mass resident, I was able to vote for both in Elizabeth Warren.
 
2013-12-14 03:34:22 PM

m00: cameroncrazy1984: Apparently we have to disregard all secondary sources that are critical of the Ryan budget, because they are all in the pocket of wealthy corporations for some reason? This is seriously a weird argument, and it doesn't make any sense at all.

Strawmen typically don't :D


You didn't just argue that you can't trust sources because they're all in the pocket of big corporations?
 
2013-12-14 03:36:12 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: As a Mass resident, I was able to vote for both in Elizabeth Warren.


Why would you do that? Obviously both sides are bad!
 
m00
2013-12-14 03:42:19 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Why would you do that? Obviously both sides are bad!


Enjoy your strawman. I like Warren. :) I wish she'd run in 2016 for pres.
 
2013-12-14 03:47:43 PM

m00: cameroncrazy1984: Why would you do that? Obviously both sides are bad!

Enjoy your strawman. I like Warren. :) I wish she'd run in 2016 for pres.


Not a strawman. You said "If you are a progressive, don't vote Democrat." Are you now saying your generalization is invalid?
 
m00
2013-12-14 03:49:06 PM

cameroncrazy1984: You didn't just argue that you can't trust sources because they're all in the pocket of big corporations?


I said we live in a world where all opinion merchants have an agenda (whatever that may be). But it is fact that most media outlets are owned by a small handful of larger corporations, and yes I think that colors the tone of their stories.

So if you are really interested in a subject, take the time to form your own opinion based on your own direct research. If it's a politician, watch the whole speech (rather than reading the excerpts).  If it's a law or a bill, go read it (or as much of it as practicable). Do research on a topic, and look at primary sources as much as possible -- especially ones that have no stake in the matter one way or another. As a voter, fill yourself with information and form your own opinion. That's all I'm saying.
 
m00
2013-12-14 03:51:42 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Not a strawman. You said "If you are a progressive, don't vote Democrat." Are you now saying your generalization is invalid?


It was a response to this:

Dusk-You-n-Me: Because Obama isn't a progressive. Neither are most congressional democrats. The progressive caucus isn't all that large, chief. Most Democrats are 'centrist', otherwise known as Republicans. Which is why we saw taxes go up on the wealthiest, but the bar raised from $250K to $400K. A progressive President wouldn't have gone for that. He also wouldn't be begging the GOP to help him pass chained-CPI. Obama ain't no liberal.


If you are a progressive, don't vote for Democrats who you don't consider progressive. Because part of having a conservation means not constantly qualifying things that are implied by the history.
 
2013-12-14 04:43:14 PM

m00: So if you are really interested in a subject, take the time to form your own opinion based on your own direct research


Why would I waste time when I can ask someone whose specialty is that field?
 
m00
2013-12-14 04:48:16 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Why would I waste time when I can ask someone whose specialty is that field?


Because this is how ignorance and falsehoods propagate. If you live in the 1950s, why waste time researching the dangers of smoking when all those scientists and doctors working for the cigarette companies told you that smoking gave health benefits?

Trust the specialists

www.jordansemar.com
 
2013-12-14 05:15:04 PM

m00: Because this is how ignorance and falsehoods propagate


So you never went to college to learn from a professor? Come on, that's such crap and you know it.

Ignorance and falsehoods propagate when you trust Megyn Kelly to provide your news.
 
m00
2013-12-14 05:32:20 PM

cameroncrazy1984: So you never went to college to learn from a professor? Come on, that's such crap and you know it.

Ignorance and falsehoods propagate when you trust Megyn Kelly to provide your news.


Well, I think the difference is professors are employed by the university for the express purpose of conducting research, and also teaching students. There are politics at play certainly at the grad school level. But for the most part you can trust what you learn (at least in hard sciences, engineering, etc).

The problem is that the goal of news reporting isn't to give you unbiased fact condensed into a digestible format. It's to get viewers, page hits, etc... which are converted into money. In the cases where the outlet is owned by a larger entity, it might be to tow the line and affect the news. For example, when pundits tell you who is electable and who isn't. "Don't vote for X because you'll be throwing your vote away, scientific FACT."

I can't really think of any unbiased news source. The closest is probably Daily Show, which is sad because it's a COMEDY SHOW.
 
2013-12-14 06:00:54 PM

m00: Well, I think the difference is professors are employed by the university for the express purpose of conducting research, and also teaching students.


And analysts are employed by news organizations to analyze legislation. I'm not talking about your opinion piece writers. I'm talking about the actual journalists

m00: n the cases where the outlet is owned by a larger entity, it might be to tow the line and affect the news. For example, when pundits tell you who is electable and who isn't. "Don't vote for X because you'll be throwing your vote away, scientific FACT."


You're talking about opinion journalism, not regular journalism. Time, Rolling Stone, Newsweek, the NY Times, they all employ non-opinion journalists who analyze legislation all the time. This is so you don't have to spend 22 hours a day reading source material. Not everyone can sit at home and read every piece of legislation. That's why we do rely on these educated and knowledgeable people to analyze and summarize for us. It's not providing opinion, it's providing analysis.
 
m00
2013-12-14 06:14:56 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I'm talking about the actual journalists


Do you have any examples?
 
2013-12-14 07:11:01 PM

m00: cameroncrazy1984: I'm talking about the actual journalists

Do you have any examples?


I gave you examples of some places that still do actual journalism in that post you clearly didn't read.
 
2013-12-14 07:11:56 PM
Oh, Al-Jazeera America is actually a really good place for foreign policy journalism too.
 
2013-12-14 11:32:56 PM

m00: cameroncrazy1984: No it isn't, that's an absolutely ridiculous analogy.

It's a very accurate analogy. The large corporations (really in specific sectors) are stealing the wealth of this country. They do this with the help of the government who writes foreign and domestic policy specifically to aid large corporations in these sectors. There are innumerable examples from energy bills, to trade policy with China, to even the ACA. The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of this wealth that is extracted from the US economy is not reinvested. The problem with tackling things from the wage side is that there are plenty of small and medium sizes corporations that are also struggling, as they are not the beneficiaries of the pro-wealthy policy. Raising the minimum wage hurts them further.

But yeah raising the minimum wage from $10 to $15 isn't going to make a dent in wage inequality, especially because it will just get taxed away and given back to the rich again. The most it will do is sink some corner markets.


i'm pretty farking sure we could enumerate them if we just spent the time and money to do it.

Or, just cut all those ridiculous tax cuts.
 
2013-12-15 01:18:55 AM

m00: dripping with sarcasm: The tea party position is keep my bennies coming and cut off the other guy and I want to pay(tax) less. Oh, and support the troops until they come home. Yea, murica!

That's the tea party position the same way that "helping terrorists win to institute socialism and death panels" is the liberal position. Meaning, if you form your opinion about a group based on the literature of those opposed to that group then you get a distorted view.


No, we base their goals on what they actually do.  And what they do is worthy of a death cult trying to destroy the world.
 
2013-12-15 03:24:35 AM

cameroncrazy1984: m00: Minimum wage raises by $5. You are struggling to survive already, and now you can't afford to have an extra cashier. The guy you get your meat from is in the same boat, and he has to raise his meats by 3 cents / pound. Maybe your profit margins are so thin already that this is the straw that breaks the camel back.

Wait, why would you need an extra cashier if you're already struggling to survive? That doesn't make sense. A struggling business isn't expanding.


Damn, nice counterpoint.
 
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