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(The Raw Story)   Religious scholar Reza Aslan tells the world Megyn Kelly was only half right- Jesus is not white, but Christ is. Well, that clears that up   (rawstory.com) divider line 297
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2013-12-13 10:17:44 PM

capn' fun: I've always believed that Christianity has more to do with Paul and his work in Rome than it ever had to do with Jesus.


Well, partially. There were plenty of apocalyptic preachers and rabbis in 1st Century Judea and environs; Apollonius of Syddon was one. He multiplied food, walked on water, healed the sick and raised the dead and preached of the coming end times. So why are there "christians" and not "apollonians"? Because Jesus of Nazareth had something in his message that Apollonius didn't. Something about his life and death spoke to his followers and made them go out and spread his gospel that wasn't present in the word of other apocalyptic preachers who lived and died during the same period.

It had to be something MORE than just a made-up story that Paul of Tarsus invented, or one of those other preachers would have succeeded. There were others. Paul picked Jesus's story to tell. So there was something about it that was unique. What was it? Who knows. Something, though.
 
2013-12-13 10:21:53 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: ghare: I'm pretty sure Santa is white.

Depends on which Santa you're dealing with. Saint Nicholas was a third and fourth century Turkish guy.

Fat, white Santa with the hat was invented by Coca Cola in the thirties.



Sinterklaas was white.
 
2013-12-13 10:22:10 PM
FTFA: "When you look at, for instance, the painting from the United States, what you see is a blonde and blue-eyed Jesus," he said. "When you look at the painting from Guatemala, what you see are Jesus and Mary as migrant farm workers. I don't mean they look like migrant farm workers; I mean they are migrant farm workers. When you look at the painting from China, Jesus and Mary are Chinese, literally Chinese. When you look at the painting from Thailand, Jesus and Mary are blue, as though they are Hindu gods."

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BLACK JESUS APPROVES.
 
2013-12-13 10:23:44 PM

Holfax: Prophet of Loss: [yoknyamdabale.files.wordpress.com image 381x480]

Brother from another mother.

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Great minds think alike and all that.
 
2013-12-13 10:24:38 PM

catmandu: There is no such thing as a white race. There is Negroid (sub-Saharan Africa); Mongoloid (east Asia, Russia west of the Urals, indigenous people of North and South America); Australoid (Australia and parts of Melanesia), and Caucasoid (North Africa, Middle East, Europe, Indian subcontinent, western Russia).


You've obviously never seen a picture of Mitt Romney.
 
2013-12-13 10:26:49 PM

cretinbob: Also in reference to your post, there is the theory that Jesus went east and turned to Buddhism before going home and spreading it.


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Or Hindu. While making very Protestant criticisms of it over time and pissing off the Vedic priests there as well.
 
2013-12-13 10:28:06 PM

super_grass: Oh lawd, are we going to give every story figure ethnic makeovers ala blacula?

[images.wikia.com image 850x637]
/ interested in how they plan to convert snow white



Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarfs
 
2013-12-13 10:30:17 PM

Hobodeluxe: Jesus as the Reincarnation of Mithra The Vatican was built upon the grounds previously devoted to the worship of Mithra (600 B.C.). The Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version.
Virtually all of the elements of Orthodox Christian rituals, from miter, wafer, water baptism, alter, and doxology, were adopted from the Mithra and earlier pagan mystery religions. The religion of Mithra preceded Christianity by roughly six hundred years. Mithraic worship at one time covered a large portion of the ancient world. It flourished as late as the second century.
The Messianic idea originated in ancient Persia and this is where the Jewish and Christian concepts of a Savior came from. Mithra, as the sun god of ancient Persia, had the following karmic similarities with Jesus:
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Identical Life Experiences
1. Mithra was born on December 25th as an offspring of the Sun. Next to the gods Ormuzd and Ahrimanes, Mithra held the highest rank among the gods of ancient Persia. He was represented as a beautiful youth and a Mediator. Reverend J. W. Lake states: "Mithras is spiritual light contending with spiritual darkness, and through his labors the kingdom of darkness shall be lit with heaven's own light; the Eternal will receive all things back into his favor, the world will be redeemed to God. The impure are to be purified, and the evil made good, through the mediation of Mithras, the reconciler of Ormuzd and Ahriman. Mithras is the Good, his name is Love. In relation to the Eternal he is the source of grace, in relation to man he is the life-giver and mediator" (Plato, Philo, and Paul, p. 15).

2. He was considered a great traveling teacher and masters. He had twelve companions as Jesus had twelve disciples. Mithras also performed miracles.

3. Mithra was called "the good shepherd, "the way, the truth and the light, redeemer, savior, Messiah." He was identified with both the lion and the lamb.

4. The International Encyclopedia states: "Mithras seems to ha ...


Not trying to be a prick. But a lot of that 'Jesus is a copy of other religions' has been going around for a while and a lot of it isn't true. The Egyptian links have been debunked by actual Egyptians. Mithra was never resurrected, and he was made from a rock not born to a virgin. The older versions of Mithra have no similarities to Jesus. Those didn't show up until the first or second century A.D. (after Jesus was born). This post doesn't mean in any way the Christian Bible is correct or represents one true religion. But, if you think something is bullshiat, the answer to disproving it isn't more bullshiat.
 
2013-12-13 10:34:03 PM
Also, the whole 'Jesus being White' shiat is bullshiat.  Jesus was Middle Eastern.  I'm sure if 95% of so called 'devout Christ followers' were on a plane and Jesus boarded and sat next to them they would be rapidly pushing the 'stewardess assistance' button screaming 'Terrorist'.
 
2013-12-13 10:36:02 PM

Gyrfalcon: capn' fun: I've always believed that Christianity has more to do with Paul and his work in Rome than it ever had to do with Jesus.

Well, partially. There were plenty of apocalyptic preachers and rabbis in 1st Century Judea and environs; Apollonius of Syddon was one. He multiplied food, walked on water, healed the sick and raised the dead and preached of the coming end times. So why are there "christians" and not "apollonians"? Because Jesus of Nazareth had something in his message that Apollonius didn't. Something about his life and death spoke to his followers and made them go out and spread his gospel that wasn't present in the word of other apocalyptic preachers who lived and died during the same period.

It had to be something MORE than just a made-up story that Paul of Tarsus invented, or one of those other preachers would have succeeded. There were others. Paul picked Jesus's story to tell. So there was something about it that was unique. What was it? Who knows. Something, though.


Not necessarily.  Jesus could have just been the lucky one.  Think of all the bands out there.  Now think of the ones that made it big.  Some of those are because they are more talented than the masses.  But we all know that some just get it by dumb luck - they were the ones playing the house when the scout happened by.  Or, in evolution, sometimes the winner isn't the best, but the one that didn't get killed.  You can be the most advanced super-uber-chickadee of all time - but if Mama gets snagged by a hawk three days after you break shell, Doofus McCrappygenes in the next nest over is going to be impregnating the next generation of hot chicks.

Jesus is a sort of chicken and the egg situation.  Obviously he won out in the Crazy Middle Eastern Preacher Sweepstakes.  But so much has been lost from that period - either through records being destroyed or records never being written in the first place - that we don't know.  Add to that the fol-de-rol we know got added into his legend in the early centuries CE, and we can't say definitively why he won.  Did he have the It Factor?  Or did it come from adding in some other dude's story?  Or did the addition plus some inherent Jesus-trope make a power combo?  No clue.  We can say their was a sort of Thunderdome of Crazy Semetic Preachers at the time, and Jesus pops out as the winner a hundred years or so later, but the interim is sort of a black box.
 
2013-12-13 10:41:21 PM

i.telegraph.co.uk

R.I.P. Jesus

 
2013-12-13 10:42:06 PM

catmandu: There is no such thing as a white race. There is Negroid (sub-Saharan Africa); Mongoloid (east Asia, Russia west of the Urals, indigenous people of North and South America); Australoid (Australia and parts of Melanesia), and Caucasoid (North Africa, Middle East, Europe, Indian subcontinent, western Russia).

Jesus was Caucasian but he definitely wasn't white.


I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's a bit obsolete understanding of things.
 
2013-12-13 10:51:01 PM
The Jesus-was-a-white-man brigade will not accept Aslan's argument bc he's basically telling them Xity is made up, and varies according to the culture it's in.

Doesn't tally with their world view that Real Xity is pure inalterable Truth handed down by God direct to their preachers.

(Look inside the KJV - it says "Approved" - what more evidence do you need?)
 
2013-12-13 10:53:02 PM
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2013-12-13 10:54:41 PM
1. There is no "historical" Jesus. There's no evidence of Jesus' existence outside of the Bible that isn't apocryphal.

2. There IS a historical Saint Nicholas, and he was Caucasian (Greek, actually). This means there's more historical evidence of the existence of Santa Claus than there is for Jesus.

3. Megyn Kelly is a vapid asshole who has only gotten this far because she had standard blonde-girl good looks.

4. Numbered lists make Bill O'Reilly twitchy.
 
2013-12-13 10:54:51 PM
I think everybody misunderstood.  She wasn't talking about Jesus of Nazareth, she was talking about her true savior, Jeezus.

stumblingthroughtheology.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-13 10:55:56 PM

catmandu: There is no such thing as a white race. There is Negroid (sub-Saharan Africa); Mongoloid (east Asia, Russia west of the Urals, indigenous people of North and South America); Australoid (Australia and parts of Melanesia), and Caucasoid (North Africa, Middle East, Europe, Indian subcontinent, western Russia).

Jesus was Caucasian but he definitely wasn't white.


1853 telegraphed, it's for you.
 
2013-12-13 11:01:41 PM
The peculiar spelling of her name always reads as ob-gyn to me. Mental picture of her in the stirrups.
 
2013-12-13 11:04:23 PM
www.addictinginfo.org
 
2013-12-13 11:05:11 PM
Isa on a popsicle stick what is this biatches problem.
 
2013-12-13 11:05:54 PM

RussianPooper: cretinbob: Christ is a title, not a name

Oh yeah, then why is his middle name "H."?


Because Harold be his name.
 
2013-12-13 11:06:54 PM

RussianPooper: Oh yeah, then why is his middle name "H."?


It's short for "haploid".
 
2013-12-13 11:11:42 PM

ZeroCorpse: 1. There is no "historical" Jesus. There's no evidence of Jesus' existence outside of the Bible that isn't apocryphal.

2. There IS a historical Saint Nicholas, and he was Caucasian (Greek, actually). This means there's more historical evidence of the existence of Santa Claus than there is for Jesus.

3. Megyn Kelly is a vapid asshole who has only gotten this far because she had standard blonde-girl good looks.

4. Numbered lists make Bill O'Reilly twitchy.


Preface: I am an atheist

However, Jesus, the human being, more than likely existed according to biblical scholars and historians. The details of his life, as described in the bible, are likely way off, but the man existed. Prophets were a dime a dozen back then, so it isn't shocking there wasn't more written about him.

See more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Existence

Basically, non-Christian Roman historians from the first century mention him (Josephus and Tacitus).
 
2013-12-13 11:21:56 PM
Palestinians often look as white as any Mediterranean people. Close enough for me. The problem is that "white" is very broad.
 
2013-12-13 11:31:46 PM
Jesus is the Vonage guy img.fark.net
 
2013-12-13 11:32:48 PM
In other words, the Christ can be whatever you want him to be.

Religion's "Get out of Jail Free" card.
We made this shiat up, so we can change it to whatever we want.
 
2013-12-13 11:36:58 PM
Everybody knows that Jesus was African-American.
 
2013-12-13 11:39:06 PM
I RTFA. I love how conservatives, always fall to "I'm the real victim here" mentality.  No Megyn, you just said something stupid and people are calling you on it.  You acting defensive just shows that you had another agenda other than "doing it for the kids".

I think Jon Stewart summed it up best when he said "Who is she speaking to?  A child sophisticated enough to be watching a news program at 10pm, yet still believes that Santa Claus is real, and is racist enough to be freaked out at the thought that he might not be white."
 
2013-12-13 11:44:29 PM

Aldon: I RTFA. I love how conservatives, always fall to "I'm the real victim here" mentality.  No Megyn, you just said something stupid and people are calling you on it.  You acting defensive just shows that you had another agenda other than "doing it for the kids".

I think Jon Stewart summed it up best when he said "Who is she speaking to?  A child sophisticated enough to be watching a news program at 10pm, yet still believes that Santa Claus is real, and is racist enough to be freaked out at the thought that he might not be white."


I don't think she had an agenda. She's just stupid and narrow-minded.
 
2013-12-13 11:46:58 PM
She is hot.  All is forgiven.
 
2013-12-13 11:48:34 PM

bigsteve3OOO: She is hot.  All is forgiven.


And this sums up literally all of Fox News viewer opinions.
 
2013-12-13 11:49:45 PM

George Babbitt: Churchill2004: Also, how the hell did we get this far without somebody posting this?

[www.popularmechanics.com image 300x300]

I dunno, if you saw that guy on the street would you call him "white"? Probably. But Anglo-Saxon Jesus he ain't.

If we are going to do this, we might as well also list off all the verses of the bible which describe what Jesus looked like?

1. Isaiah 53:2b "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him."
2.(see #1)
3.(see #1)
4.(see #1)
5.(see #1)
6.(see #1)
7.(see #1)
8.(see #1)
9.(see #1)

Well, you get the point.


no, i don't...  what the fark does isaiah have to do with jesus?
 
2013-12-13 11:50:13 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: She is hot.  All is forgiven.

And this sums up literally all of Fox News viewer opinions.


Hey if the blonde with bolt-ons thinks it's true, it must be.
 
2013-12-13 11:51:56 PM

whatshisname: Aldon: I RTFA. I love how conservatives, always fall to "I'm the real victim here" mentality.  No Megyn, you just said something stupid and people are calling you on it.  You acting defensive just shows that you had another agenda other than "doing it for the kids".

I think Jon Stewart summed it up best when he said "Who is she speaking to?  A child sophisticated enough to be watching a news program at 10pm, yet still believes that Santa Claus is real, and is racist enough to be freaked out at the thought that he might not be white."

I don't think she had an agenda. She's just stupid and narrow-minded.


Frankly she is probably one of the smartest people on Fox news (I know, not saying much) so personally I think this is something she has actually thought about.  It was not a slip (her reaction to the comments about it afterwards reflect that as well).  Her agenda might be personal, political or something else, I really don't know.  It is obvious though that a non-white fictional character named Santa Claus really rocks her world view for some reason.
 
2013-12-13 11:52:19 PM

cynicalminion: George Babbitt: Churchill2004: Also, how the hell did we get this far without somebody posting this?

[www.popularmechanics.com image 300x300]

I dunno, if you saw that guy on the street would you call him "white"? Probably. But Anglo-Saxon Jesus he ain't.

If we are going to do this, we might as well also list off all the verses of the bible which describe what Jesus looked like?

1. Isaiah 53:2b "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him."
2.(see #1)
3.(see #1)
4.(see #1)
5.(see #1)
6.(see #1)
7.(see #1)
8.(see #1)
9.(see #1)

Well, you get the point.

no, i don't...  what the fark does isaiah have to do with jesus?


Atheists are funny when they talk religion.  Pay them no mind.
 
2013-12-13 11:54:34 PM
She needs to lay off the Coca Cola
 
2013-12-13 11:54:58 PM
 
2013-12-13 11:56:00 PM

cynicalminion: George Babbitt: Churchill2004: Also, how the hell did we get this far without somebody posting this?

[www.popularmechanics.com image 300x300]

I dunno, if you saw that guy on the street would you call him "white"? Probably. But Anglo-Saxon Jesus he ain't.

If we are going to do this, we might as well also list off all the verses of the bible which describe what Jesus looked like?

1. Isaiah 53:2b "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him."
2.(see #1)
3.(see #1)
4.(see #1)
5.(see #1)
6.(see #1)
7.(see #1)
8.(see #1)
9.(see #1)

Well, you get the point.

no, i don't...  what the fark does isaiah have to do with jesus?


Most of the stuff used by Christians to say Jesus is the Messiah comes from Isaiah
 
2013-12-13 11:57:10 PM

real_headhoncho: super_grass: Oh lawd, are we going to give every story figure ethnic makeovers ala blacula?

[images.wikia.com image 850x637]
/ interested in how they plan to convert snow white


Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarfs


I would watch this new movement unfold for the hilarious amount of unintentional racial humor alone.
 
2013-12-14 12:00:15 AM

phalamir: cynicalminion: George Babbitt: Churchill2004: Also, how the hell did we get this far without somebody posting this?

[www.popularmechanics.com image 300x300]

I dunno, if you saw that guy on the street would you call him "white"? Probably. But Anglo-Saxon Jesus he ain't.

If we are going to do this, we might as well also list off all the verses of the bible which describe what Jesus looked like?

1. Isaiah 53:2b "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him."
2.(see #1)
3.(see #1)
4.(see #1)
5.(see #1)
6.(see #1)
7.(see #1)
8.(see #1)
9.(see #1)

Well, you get the point.

no, i don't...  what the fark does isaiah have to do with jesus?

Most of the stuff used by Christians to say Jesus is the Messiah comes from Isaiah


ok, so that's scripture stuff at best, has nothing to do with what he looks like...
 
2013-12-14 12:00:50 AM

Aldon: whatshisname: Aldon: I RTFA. I love how conservatives, always fall to "I'm the real victim here" mentality.  No Megyn, you just said something stupid and people are calling you on it.  You acting defensive just shows that you had another agenda other than "doing it for the kids".

I think Jon Stewart summed it up best when he said "Who is she speaking to?  A child sophisticated enough to be watching a news program at 10pm, yet still believes that Santa Claus is real, and is racist enough to be freaked out at the thought that he might not be white."

I don't think she had an agenda. She's just stupid and narrow-minded.

Frankly she is probably one of the smartest people on Fox news (I know, not saying much) so personally I think this is something she has actually thought about.  It was not a slip (her reaction to the comments about it afterwards reflect that as well).  Her agenda might be personal, political or something else, I really don't know.  It is obvious though that a non-white fictional character named Santa Claus really rocks her world view for some reason.


Thanks. If she's the best and brightest FOX has, my opinion of them might just have dropped a bit. I'll admit, I've given the network about 7 minutes of my attention in my life but that was enough to make sure it wasn't for me.
 
2013-12-14 12:01:18 AM

NobleHam: Palestinians often look as white as any Mediterranean people. Close enough for me. The problem is that "white" is very broad.


No, the problem is that "white" is a purely (post-)colonial, modern category.  Before about 1600, nobody would have been called "white."  They would have been called a Spaniard, an Englishman, a Turk, a Saracen, a Roman, an Ethiopian, an Italian, an Ottoman, etc., etc., etc. . . . but never "white."  It's a designation that doesn't make any sense whatsoever in a first-century context.
 
2013-12-14 12:02:15 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: She needs to lay off the Coca Cola


C-O-L-A cola...

/wait what?
 
2013-12-14 12:03:22 AM
And if you replace a vowel in a common name with a "y", you have to have had brain-damaged parents.
 
2013-12-14 12:03:49 AM

ZeroCorpse: 1. There is no "historical" Jesus. There's no evidence of Jesus' existence outside of the Bible that isn't apocryphal.

2. There IS a historical Saint Nicholas, and he was Caucasian (Greek, actually). This means there's more historical evidence of the existence of Santa Claus than there is for Jesus.

3. Megyn Kelly is a vapid asshole who has only gotten this far because she had standard blonde-girl good looks.

4. Numbered lists make Bill O'Reilly twitchy.


There's no evidence of anyone else's existence from back then, either, except for a very few Emperors and nobility. Does that mean they didn't exist either? ;)

St. Nicholas was from Anatolia in what is now Turkey, not Greece. He's not "Santa Claus" by a long shot, and the historical evidence for him is a baptismal record and some anecdotes about how he paid the dowries of some teenage prostitutes, written long after his martyrdom. That's not the same thing as historical evidence.
 
2013-12-14 12:05:13 AM

Summoner101: EvilEgg: His dad was white so there is at least even odds Jesus is white.

I thought God was Alanis Morissette


You know what pissed me off about that movie? I rather liked the concept that the voice of God was unbearable to mortals, but there was absolutely no reason to have Alanis wail like a goddamn highlands banshee at the end. They should have shot the scene the same but had her lean in and whisper. Kevin Smith has absolutely no sense of subtlety.

/Okay, tangent over.
 
2013-12-14 12:05:26 AM

cynicalminion: ok, so that's scripture stuff at best, has nothing to do with what he looks like...


If you have something other than scripture accurately describing what Jesus looked like, I would really, really like to see it.

Seriously, I need a dissertation topic.
 
2013-12-14 12:06:00 AM

whatshisname: Aldon: whatshisname: Aldon: I RTFA. I love how conservatives, always fall to "I'm the real victim here" mentality.  No Megyn, you just said something stupid and people are calling you on it.  You acting defensive just shows that you had another agenda other than "doing it for the kids".

I think Jon Stewart summed it up best when he said "Who is she speaking to?  A child sophisticated enough to be watching a news program at 10pm, yet still believes that Santa Claus is real, and is racist enough to be freaked out at the thought that he might not be white."

I don't think she had an agenda. She's just stupid and narrow-minded.

Frankly she is probably one of the smartest people on Fox news (I know, not saying much) so personally I think this is something she has actually thought about.  It was not a slip (her reaction to the comments about it afterwards reflect that as well).  Her agenda might be personal, political or something else, I really don't know.  It is obvious though that a non-white fictional character named Santa Claus really rocks her world view for some reason.

Thanks. If she's the best and brightlondest FOX has, my opinion of them might just have dropped a bit. I'll admit, I've given the network about 7 minutes of my attention in my life but that was enough to make sure it wasn't for me.

 
2013-12-14 12:07:21 AM

Gyrfalcon: the historical evidence for him is a baptismal record and some anecdotes about how he paid the dowries of some teenage prostitutes, written long after his martyrdom. That's not the same thing as historical evidence.


How so?
 
2013-12-14 12:10:43 AM

Hickory-smoked: Summoner101: EvilEgg: His dad was white so there is at least even odds Jesus is white.

I thought God was Alanis Morissette

You know what pissed me off about that movie? I rather liked the concept that the voice of God was unbearable to mortals, but there was absolutely no reason to have Alanis wail like a goddamn highlands banshee at the end. They should have shot the scene the same but had her lean in and whisper. Kevin Smith has absolutely no sense of subtlety.

/Okay, tangent over.


were you not paying attention in the conference room?

/huggleston is a way better loki...  but since i grew up watching the voyage of the mimi... i'll give assflex the benefit of the doubt for bats vs soup
 
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