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(The Raw Story)   Religious scholar Reza Aslan tells the world Megyn Kelly was only half right- Jesus is not white, but Christ is. Well, that clears that up   (rawstory.com) divider line 297
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2013-12-13 08:19:44 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: She's a Doobie Brothers fan but she's always getting the lyrics wrong.


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2013-12-13 08:20:11 PM

smellysocksnshoes: What if Jesus were a ginger? An anth class I took way back when stated red hair was common in the mid east centuries ago. Still found in Afghanistan and parts of Asia/caucuses.


Of course Jesus was a ginger. Even death couldn't stand the guy for longer than 3 days.
 
2013-12-13 08:26:39 PM

Uzzah: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: She's a Doobie Brothers fan but she's always getting the lyrics wrong.

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I don't care what they may say....
 
2013-12-13 08:27:50 PM

worlddan: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: It's just a semantic difference. Aslan means Jesus "the guy" versus Christ "the magical parts."

It is not semantics because in Jesus Christ "the word was made flesh and dwelt among us." In Jesus "the guy" and Christ "the magical bits" are one and the same thing. That is the definition of incarnation. Jesus is God incarnate. It can sometimes be useful for the purposes of theological clarity to talk about those two aspects as if they were different things but one of the dangers of doing that is to fall into the trap of treating such differences as mere word play.

The Jews of 0 AD had a clear and specific definition of what those "magical bits" were and not any old magical bits were going to do. Not any person could be the Christ no more than the Christ could be any person. There was only one Christ: Jesus. No one is forced to believe that but anyone who doesn't is not Christian in any traditional understanding of that word.


I see you are both ignorant of what Messiah, i.e the word the Greeks meant by Christos, actually means in Judaism, and ignorant of the varied and different takes on the nature of Christ espoused by Christians both throughout the world and throughout time.
 
2013-12-13 08:33:18 PM

phalamir: it is glaringly not specific and not clear.


Actually, this doesn't prove what you think it proves but the opposite. Asian writes, "As everybody knows, before Roman Orthodoxy, there were a thousand different kinds of Christianity," Well, exactly. This doesn't mean that that the definition of the "the Christ" was not clear, however. it simply means that people were running amok and lots of people were using Christ's name to mean whatever they wanted it to mean.

The whole and entire purpose of Roman Orthodoxy was to bring clarity and stop the very nonsense that Asian is trying to promote. That is why the Church held all its various councils: to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Your claim is nothing more than blaming the victim. Here you have all these retards in the first few centuries AD running around taking advantage of the gullible by selling dog meat under the sign of mutton and your conclusion from this truth is that not that everything is dog meat (atheism) but that everything is mutton (Christ is the "great whatever"). Jesus H. Christ. In the end if you believe that Christ is the "great whatever" then obviously any attempts to bring clarity to the situation by demonstrating that the term means something specific are null and void to begin with.
 
2013-12-13 08:35:10 PM

phalamir: I see you are both ignorant of what Messiah, i.e the word the Greeks meant by Christos, actually means in Judaism, and ignorant of the varied and different takes on the nature of Christ espoused by Christians both throughout the world and throughout time.


The person who calls someone "ignorant" without anything to back it up is the ignorant one.
 
2013-12-13 08:38:40 PM
I for one am looking forward to FoxNews' regurgitation of this story at least 3 more times by 2020.
 
2013-12-13 08:38:49 PM

smellysocksnshoes: Bennie Crabtree: Th paragraph near the end where he says Kelly is right because Jesus is perceived the way the believer "perceives humanity" is gold. He is saying, right there, that Kelly is racist. She perceives humanity as white. Bu that is where I disagree with him. I think he has mistaken the incarnation of "humanity" with the incarnation of "mercy" for one's own, local problems.

But the racism he pins her with in that paragraph is precious.

No- he doesn't peg her as racist. Just as a white woman. Christ is as the perceiver.

I am no religious expert but even my southern baptist upbringing and a few freshmen level "religions of man" classes taught me that Jesus looked a lot more like Yasar Arafat than Dolph Lundgren.

What if Jesus were a ginger? An anth class I took way back when stated red hair was common in the mid east centuries ago. Still found in Afghanistan and parts of Asia/caucuses.


Oh no.  No. It's one thing to perceive Christ in her image. Totally understandable for her to identify with depictions and a mental image of Christ as a white guy. Blond, even.  But she took it a step further and said that Christ being white is a historical fact. Thus, she delegitimized anyone else's privilege to see Christ in their own image too. So, she places disproportionate emphasis on Christ's race to the exclusion of Christ's message of essential brotherhood (as would be realized by the understanding that we all see Christ in our own images and that it is equally necessary for each person to do it).

She's a racist and this was clear evidence that it isn't even superficial racism; it informs that part of her which she likely recognizes as her deepest, most Godly part.
 
2013-12-13 08:39:14 PM

worlddan: Asian should not be encouraging this misguided behavior.


I don't think he's in the business of encouraging any religious belief, just commenting on and explaining them.

I agree his phrasing is kind of odd. He's pegging a real concept onto an anachronistic reading of "Jesus Christ", as you say. It is simply incorrect to say they refer to two separate people, any more than "Barack" and "the President" refer to separate people.
 
2013-12-13 08:39:40 PM

worlddan: The whole and entire purpose of Roman Orthodoxy was to bring clarity and stop the very nonsense that Asian is trying to promote. That is why the Church held all its various councils: to sort the wheat from the chaff.


Does that hold true today? Eastern Orthodox still have the claim to the right Christ?
 
2013-12-13 08:40:02 PM

worlddan: George Babbitt: This is the only thread submission today on this story that has at least put forth an accurate take.

/not subby

In my view, that should automatically disqualify it from being greenlit. Accuracy is rarely if ever funny.


The other ones were funny if you tilted your head, but they were all wrong in their info.
 
2013-12-13 08:40:07 PM

clowncar on fire: Being born on Nov 22 would not make me Rodney Dangerfield.


I'd say you were more likely to be my wife, but I set her up with a "partygirl69" for a username and I haven't seen it used once.
 
2013-12-13 08:43:36 PM
Also, how the hell did we get this far without somebody posting this?

www.popularmechanics.com

I dunno, if you saw that guy on the street would you call him "white"? Probably. But Anglo-Saxon Jesus he ain't.
 
2013-12-13 08:46:46 PM
yoknyamdabale.files.wordpress.com

Brother from another mother.
 
2013-12-13 08:48:39 PM

Hobodeluxe: Jesus as the Reincarnation of Mithra The Vatican was built upon the grounds previously devoted to the worship of Mithra (600 B.C.). The Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version.
Virtually all of the elements of Orthodox Christian rituals, from miter, wafer, water baptism, alter, and doxology, were adopted from the Mithra and earlier pagan mystery religions. The religion of Mithra preceded Christianity by roughly six hundred years. Mithraic worship at one time covered a large portion of the ancient world. It flourished as late as the second century.
The Messianic idea originated in ancient Persia and this is where the Jewish and Christian concepts of a Savior came from. Mithra, as the sun god of ancient Persia, had the following karmic similarities with Jesus:
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Identical Life Experiences
1. Mithra was born on December 25th as an offspring of the Sun. Next to the gods Ormuzd and Ahrimanes, Mithra held the highest rank among the gods of ancient Persia. He was represented as a beautiful youth and a Mediator. Reverend J. W. Lake states: "Mithras is spiritual light contending with spiritual darkness, and through his labors the kingdom of darkness shall be lit with heaven's own light; the Eternal will receive all things back into his favor, the world will be redeemed to God. The impure are to be purified, and the evil made good, through the mediation of Mithras, the reconciler of Ormuzd and Ahriman. Mithras is the Good, his name is Love. In relation to the Eternal he is the source of grace, in relation to man he is the life-giver and mediator" (Plato, Philo, and Paul, p. 15).

2. He was considered a great traveling teacher and masters. He had twelve companions as Jesus had twelve disciples. Mithras also performed miracles.

3. Mithra was called "the good shepherd, "the way, the truth and the light, redeemer, savior, Messiah." He was identified with both the lion and the lamb.

4. The International Encyclopedia states: "Mithras seems to ha ...


I won't go into too much detail, but that copypasta is not exactly accurate. For one thing, Mithras mythology is not really well-known, since all that is known is mostly from vague statues and carvings.

For example, #1 is completely and utterly false. There is no evidence that he was born December 25th and he was born from a rock.

For #2, every "messiah" performs miracles and is a great teacher. The "12 disciples" is only used because there is 1 carving where he was surrounded by 12 people. That is it. There is other ones where there are other numbers.

#3. he was never ever ever called that.

I could go on and on, but for more info: http://www.rationalskepticism.org/christianity/the-myth-of-the-myth-o f -mithras-t488.html

FWD: FWD: FWD: emails aren't always true for atheists, too.

And yes, I am atheist.
 
2013-12-13 08:55:39 PM

Churchill2004: Also, how the hell did we get this far without somebody posting this?

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I dunno, if you saw that guy on the street would you call him "white"? Probably. But Anglo-Saxon Jesus he ain't.


If we are going to do this, we might as well also list off all the verses of the bible which describe what Jesus looked like?

1. Isaiah 53:2b "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him."
2.(see #1)
3.(see #1)
4.(see #1)
5.(see #1)
6.(see #1)
7.(see #1)
8.(see #1)
9.(see #1)

Well, you get the point.
 
2013-12-13 08:55:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: So when is her show on? 9? I want to know what kind of crap she tries to spin.


No. Higher ratings will only encourage the saying of more stupid shiat.
 
2013-12-13 08:57:04 PM

FloydA: He can't be a religious scholar because he's an imaginary lion from Narnia!


But wan't the lion from Narnia was Jesus.. so he'd like totally know what race he is and OMG he farking he says "To put it in the simplest way possible, he would've looked like me,"  Reza Aslan is trying to tell us he is farking JESUS! I mean he farking King Solomoned this white Jesus thing. If this isn't some biblical shiat, i don't know what is.

WHOA!


 
2013-12-13 09:00:21 PM

George Babbitt: Churchill2004: Also, how the hell did we get this far without somebody posting this?

[www.popularmechanics.com image 300x300]

I dunno, if you saw that guy on the street would you call him "white"? Probably. But Anglo-Saxon Jesus he ain't.

If we are going to do this, we might as well also list off all the verses of the bible which describe what Jesus looked like?

1. Isaiah 53:2b "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him."
2.(see #1)
3.(see #1)
4.(see #1)
5.(see #1)
6.(see #1)
7.(see #1)
8.(see #1)
9.(see #1)

Well, you get the point.


I thought there was something from Revelation about him having curly hair, but maybe that's just to point up some symbolism about lambs/shepherds/sacrifices.
 
2013-12-13 09:00:23 PM
I have an autographed picture of Jesus that proves he was white.
And if he wasn't, then why is the Bible written in American?
You can't explain that.
 
2013-12-13 09:02:53 PM
Basically:

If cows believed in God, God would be a cow.

Your religion is a mirror representation of your values, not the other way around.
 
2013-12-13 09:04:40 PM

simplicimus: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Maybe...

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...depends on what you think about the 'Holy Trinity'.

I thought I was the only one here who remembered that film.


The genius apple didn't fall far from the gawddam genius apple tree...
 
2013-12-13 09:05:05 PM
Cesare Borgia was white, so in that sense she's correct.
 
2013-12-13 09:05:46 PM

Ishkur: Basically:

If cows believed in God, God would be a cow.

Your religion is a mirror representation of your values, not the other way around.


So are Hindus cows or are cows Hindu?
 
2013-12-13 09:09:22 PM
Megyn Kelly just did her clarification. It was a boring set, a lot of the old favorites being trotted out. She was joking and nobody can take a joke. It's a national firestorm stirred up by the liberal media to attack Fox News. You're the real race baiter for pointing out my racism. Also "the jury is still out" on whether Jesus had to wear sunblock at the beach.
 
2013-12-13 09:10:13 PM
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2013-12-13 09:10:55 PM

Hobodeluxe: Mithra was born on December 25th


Why would the Persians be using a Roman calendar several hundred years before any of them would even know Rome exists?

Don't post bullshiat from Zeitgeist.
 
2013-12-13 09:12:20 PM

kbronsito: So are Hindus cows or are cows Hindu?


That's a factoid. The Hindus don't worship cows any more than any other culture do.
 
2013-12-13 09:13:12 PM

Arachnophobe: cretinbob: Also in reference to your post, there is the theory that Jesus went east and turned to Buddhism before going home and spreading it.

And Yoga and Kung Fu. Can't forget those.

I love that book so much, I think it's about time for another re-read.


That book is one of the best ones I've ever read. Someone on a forumboard suggested it and once I read it, I thanked them profusely. I still think it's one of the funniest books I've read.
 
2013-12-13 09:15:24 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: simplicimus: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Maybe...

[www.dvdtalk.com image 400x234]

...depends on what you think about the 'Holy Trinity'.

I thought I was the only one here who remembered that film.

The genius apple didn't fall far from the gawddam genius apple tree...


 I'm on my way to Jerusalem to be an actor/singer. It is written that the Agent Morris awaits me.
 
2013-12-13 09:16:44 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: She was joking and nobody can take a joke.


She really didn't say that did she?

The only people laughing at it where the people in The Daily Show audience.
 
2013-12-13 09:19:07 PM

Prophet of Loss: [yoknyamdabale.files.wordpress.com image 381x480]

Brother from another mother.


front-free.com
 
2013-12-13 09:19:50 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Also "the jury is still out" on whether Jesus had to wear sunblock at the beach.


*Snerk* Because this is a question that can totally be answered, if scholars just read the Bible hard enough.
 
2013-12-13 09:20:10 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Megyn Kelly just did her clarification. It was a boring set, a lot of the old favorites being trotted out. She was joking and nobody can take a joke. It's a national firestorm stirred up by the liberal media to attack Fox News. You're the real race baiter for pointing out my racism. Also "the jury is still out" on whether Jesus had to wear sunblock at the beach.


The Great Rush, hallowed be his name, taught her well.
 
2013-12-13 09:21:13 PM
Youze guys really want to play this game? Not one sentence in all four gospels starts, "When Jesus' workday was ended..."

Take credit for him all you like. Even their legendary *imaginary* messiah was a bum, right in their own words. Does it really matter what color he supposedly was?
 
2013-12-13 09:23:49 PM

Githerax: PanicMan: That's actually a really smart way of looking at it.

Everything is a "smart way of looking at it" if it confirms your pre-existing belief.  However, the statements of Aslan are completely wrong.

FTA:  "If you're Chinese, then God is a Chinese man. If you're Middle Eastern, then God is a Middle Eastern man. If you're a blond, blue-eyed, white suburbanite woman, then God is a blond, blue-eyed suburbanite," Aslan said.

Corrected Statement:  "If you're Chinese, then God is God and if you think God is Chinese then you are wrong.  If you're Middle Eastern, then God is God and if you think God is a Middle Eastern man, you're also wrong.  If you're a blond, blue-eyed white suburbanite woman, then God is God, not a blond, blue-eyed suburbanite.  If you define God as being in your image, you're doing it backwards."

The essential direction given by the Bible is "learn God's ways and do them."  That is too demanding for the vast, vast majority of people ("'Thou shalt not lie'?  Really?  I think that's um...a metaphor.  Yeah."), so the re-define "God" until their God suits their ordinary self-serving desires.  However, God remains the same no matter what picture you paint.  Adopting the lax thinking of people like Kelly and Aslan is just going to get you killed when Ps. 37:9, 10 rolls around.


If God has made us in his image, we have returned him the favor. - Voltaire
 
2013-12-13 09:25:39 PM

impaler: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: She was joking and nobody can take a joke.

She really didn't say that did she?

The only people laughing at it where the people in The Daily Show audience.


She was making a cheeky comment about a "tongue-in-cheek article," or something along those lines.

It was a weird pseudo-retraction/explanation.
 
2013-12-13 09:27:05 PM
The only reason Christ was put upon the cross was because big government took away his concealed sword permit.
 
2013-12-13 09:27:38 PM

Bonzo_1116: George Babbitt: Churchill2004: Also, how the hell did we get this far without somebody posting this?

[www.popularmechanics.com image 300x300]

I dunno, if you saw that guy on the street would you call him "white"? Probably. But Anglo-Saxon Jesus he ain't.

If we are going to do this, we might as well also list off all the verses of the bible which describe what Jesus looked like?

1. Isaiah 53:2b "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him."
2.(see #1)
3.(see #1)
4.(see #1)
5.(see #1)
6.(see #1)
7.(see #1)
8.(see #1)
9.(see #1)

Well, you get the point.

I thought there was something from Revelation about him having curly hair, but maybe that's just to point up some symbolism about lambs/shepherds/sacrifices.


That would be describing his glorified/heavenly/incorruptible body and not the human form which he delivered his ministry with.
 
2013-12-13 09:34:51 PM
Jesus is just alright, with me.

Christ can kiss my ass.
 
2013-12-13 09:37:30 PM

Fart_Machine: Yeah, but is Santa still white?  This is important!


I'm pretty sure Santa is white.

Jesus was probably pretty brown.
 
2013-12-13 09:38:38 PM
There is no such thing as a white race. There is Negroid (sub-Saharan Africa); Mongoloid (east Asia, Russia west of the Urals, indigenous people of North and South America); Australoid (Australia and parts of Melanesia), and Caucasoid (North Africa, Middle East, Europe, Indian subcontinent, western Russia).

Jesus was Caucasian but he definitely wasn't white.
 
2013-12-13 09:40:26 PM

catmandu: There is no such thing as a white race. There is Negroid (sub-Saharan Africa); Mongoloid (east Asia, Russia west of the Urals, indigenous people of North and South America); Australoid (Australia and parts of Melanesia), and Caucasoid (North Africa, Middle East, Europe, Indian subcontinent, western Russia).

Jesus was Caucasian but he definitely wasn't white.


Good stuff.
 
2013-12-13 09:41:17 PM

ghare: I'm pretty sure Santa is white.


Depends on which Santa you're dealing with. Saint Nicholas was a third and fourth century Turkish guy.

Fat, white Santa with the hat was invented by Coca Cola in the thirties.
 
2013-12-13 09:49:47 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: ghare: I'm pretty sure Santa is white.

Depends on which Santa you're dealing with. Saint Nicholas was a third and fourth century Turkish guy.

Fat, white Santa with the hat was invented by Coca Cola in the thirties.



Greek actually.

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: ghare: I'm pretty sure Santa is white.

Depends on which Santa you're dealing with. Saint Nicholas was a third and fourth century Turkish guy.

Fat, white Santa with the hat was invented by Coca Cola in the thirties.


~~Christian bishop and gift giver Saint Nicholas.  Actually Germanic with references to Odin. Makes him pasty white.
 
2013-12-13 09:52:01 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: ghare: I'm pretty sure Santa is white.

Depends on which Santa you're dealing with. Saint Nicholas was a third and fourth century Turkish guy.


My Santa lives at the North Pole so if he didn't start out white, he definitely lightened up over the centuries.
 
2013-12-13 09:54:51 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Fat, white Santa with the hat was invented by Coca Cola in the thirties.


Nope
 
2013-12-13 10:04:07 PM
Oh lawd, are we going to give every story figure ethnic makeovers ala blacula?

images.wikia.com
/ interested in how they plan to convert snow white
 
2013-12-13 10:10:17 PM

super_grass: Oh lawd, are we going to give every story figure ethnic makeovers ala blacula?


Megyn Kelly seems to think we should.
 
2013-12-13 10:12:08 PM

kbronsito: FloydA: He can't be a religious scholar because he's an imaginary lion from Narnia!

But wan't the lion from Narnia was Jesus.. so he'd like totally know what race he is and OMG he farking he says "To put it in the simplest way possible, he would've looked like me,"  Reza Aslan is trying to tell us he is farking JESUS! I mean he farking King Solomoned this white Jesus thing. If this isn't some biblical shiat, i don't know what is.

WHOA!


Came for the colossal wisdom. Leaving satisfied.
 
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