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(CNN)   CNN, asking the hard question: Could "affluenza" actually be the result of bad parenting?   (cnn.com) divider line 154
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2013-12-13 02:18:21 PM
The fact that we as a nation must always blame our faults on others and never on ourselves is why this kid was able to get off

Its societies fault. Its their parents fault. Its the fault of the school system. Its the fault of our economical conditions. Its never the fault of the person.

He chose to drink and drive. He made that choice. He should be punished accordingly.
 
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2013-12-13 02:19:27 PM
That explains Wall st.
 
2013-12-13 02:25:32 PM
I would wager it simply a case of "no parenting."
 
2013-12-13 02:28:36 PM
Eat a dick, CNN.
 
2013-12-13 02:32:42 PM
If the parents can't prevent the kid from killing innocent people, locking the little shiat up in prison just might.  Better yet, lock up the parents since it's been so clearly established that they were at fault.

Not looking forward to the next inevitable story, the one in which he breaks the conditions of his probation and they successfully use this defense again.

This literally makes me feel like throwing up.
 
2013-12-13 02:39:49 PM
Rich people have been working to convince everyone that any kind of government assistance is evil socialism, that taxing rich people the same as everyone else is bad for the economy, that bailing out billionaire bankers is perfectly fine while giving a few people a pittance in food stamps is bleeding us dry....of course they're going to push it further and outright claim that rich kids who are given everything in life have it worse than the poors. And poor Republicans will eat it up.
 
2013-12-13 02:42:11 PM

Mugato: Rich people have been working to convince everyone that any kind of government assistance is evil socialism, that taxing rich people the same as everyone else is bad for the economy, that bailing out billionaire bankers is perfectly fine while giving a few people a pittance in food stamps is bleeding us dry....of course they're going to push it further and outright claim that rich kids who are given everything in life have it worse than the poors. And poor Republicans will eat it up.


FFS, dude.

This isn't about politics. Politics isn't farking everything.

This isn't about socialism. This isn't about bailouts. This isn't about foodstamps.

This is about a judge making a shiatty ruling because she was convinced of an absurd argument by a lawyer.

That happens EVERY DAY in the United States.
 
2013-12-13 02:43:09 PM
Lawyer: "Your honor. My client suffers from affluenza, a condition that made him believe his wealth and privilege meant his actions have no personal repercussions."

Judge: "And he's right. Case dismissed."
 
2013-12-13 02:50:20 PM
I got my annual affluenza shot back in October.  I haven't gotten off since.  :(
 
2013-12-13 02:50:58 PM

impaler: Lawyer: "Your honor. My client suffers from affluenza, a condition that made him believe his wealth and privilege meant his actions have no personal repercussions."

Judge: "And he's right. Case dismissed."


Now thats a gross oversimplification.

Lawyers are people who are great at arguing. They know what people want to hear. They use this as a tool to make you believe the most ludicrous things. Remember that Muslim extremist who killed a Rabbi and got off because his lawyer was able to convince the jury that, although he was caught with the gun, there was no way to prove that he used it? He ended up bombing the WTC a few years later
 
2013-12-13 02:51:37 PM

cman: impaler: Lawyer: "Your honor. My client suffers from affluenza, a condition that made him believe his wealth and privilege meant his actions have no personal repercussions."

Judge: "And he's right. Case dismissed."

Now thats a gross oversimplification.

Lawyers are people who are great at arguing. They know what people want to hear. They use this as a tool to make you believe the most ludicrous things. Remember that Muslim extremist who killed a Rabbi and got off because his lawyer was able to convince the jury that, although he was caught with the gun, there was no way to prove that he used it? He ended up bombing the WTC a few years later


FFS

My link didn't work

Here is the citation I tried posting
 
2013-12-13 02:52:59 PM
Why didn't Lindsay Lohan's attorney think of using this defense?
 
2013-12-13 02:59:44 PM

cman: This isn't about socialism. This isn't about bailouts. This isn't about foodstamps.

This is about a judge making a shiatty ruling because she was convinced of an absurd argument by a lawyer.


This isn't about the rich people's attitude towards poorer people and trying to make themselves out to be victims about everything? I see it every day. Rich people whining that they pay too much in taxes, even though they find ways to pay almost nothing, too much of their taxes being given to the poors and now being discriminated against because they're too rich. The rich butthurt gets annoying after a while.
 
2013-12-13 03:02:04 PM

Mugato: cman: This isn't about socialism. This isn't about bailouts. This isn't about foodstamps.

This is about a judge making a shiatty ruling because she was convinced of an absurd argument by a lawyer.

This isn't about the rich people's attitude towards poorer people and trying to make themselves out to be victims about everything? I see it every day. Rich people whining that they pay too much in taxes, even though they find ways to pay almost nothing, too much of their taxes being given to the poors and now being discriminated against because they're too rich. The rich butthurt gets annoying after a while.


We all see ourselves as victims of something. Its our culture. We try our best to avoid responsibility for our own actions. That is the same no matter what social or economic class one happens to be part of.
 
2013-12-13 03:05:51 PM
I thought it was a virus, or a bacteria commonly mistaken for a virus.
 
2013-12-13 03:06:35 PM

bdub77: Eat a dick, CNN.

 
2013-12-13 03:07:43 PM
For once, a headline asking a question where the answer is YES
 
2013-12-13 03:08:18 PM
Short answer? Yes

Long answer? YYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSS

/ don't let the help raise your farking children and maybe they won't turn out to be sleaze bags.
 
2013-12-13 03:08:50 PM

cman: We all see ourselves as victims of something. Its our culture. We try our best to avoid responsibility for our own actions. That is the same no matter what social or economic class one happens to be part of.


Speak for yourself, dude. I've been busted for a few things and never blamed anyone but myself.
 
2013-12-13 03:09:57 PM
CNN probably isn't asking if the judge should be removed, right?
 
2013-12-13 03:10:58 PM

cman: Mugato: cman: This isn't about socialism. This isn't about bailouts. This isn't about foodstamps.

This is about a judge making a shiatty ruling because she was convinced of an absurd argument by a lawyer.

This isn't about the rich people's attitude towards poorer people and trying to make themselves out to be victims about everything? I see it every day. Rich people whining that they pay too much in taxes, even though they find ways to pay almost nothing, too much of their taxes being given to the poors and now being discriminated against because they're too rich. The rich butthurt gets annoying after a while.

We all see ourselves as victims of something. Its our culture. We try our best to avoid responsibility for our own actions. That is the same no matter what social or economic class one happens to be part of.


I think the key difference is that rich people can afford lawyers that can make that "victimization" belief a reality. People claim they're the victim all the time, yes, but rich people are the ones who actually get to live that way.
 
2013-12-13 03:11:16 PM

Mugato: cman: We all see ourselves as victims of something. Its our culture. We try our best to avoid responsibility for our own actions. That is the same no matter what social or economic class one happens to be part of.

Speak for yourself, dude. I've been busted for a few things and never blamed anyone but myself.


What? Blame yourself? For something that is clearly Obama's fault?

/ thanks, Obama!

// I keed
 
2013-12-13 03:12:09 PM
I thought that's what it was by definition.
 
2013-12-13 03:12:42 PM
Affluenza can only be real if there are idiot judges out there who get duped into believing these bogus, made-up diseases.

So, i guess it is real.
 
2013-12-13 03:13:02 PM
Affluence buys a bullshiat defense? It happens all the time.

If this nonsense is plausible, then the parents should be in prison for manslaughter.
 
2013-12-13 03:13:18 PM

Mugato: cman: We all see ourselves as victims of something. Its our culture. We try our best to avoid responsibility for our own actions. That is the same no matter what social or economic class one happens to be part of.

Speak for yourself, dude. I've been busted for a few things and never blamed anyone but myself.


Might I recommend some bifocals?

You are obviously blind since you are egocentric in your views instead of looking at society as a whole
 
2013-12-13 03:15:28 PM
So the punishment for living a life of no consequences is no consequences? And since the parents are at fault for this as the lawyer said they should be locked up.
 
2013-12-13 03:15:41 PM
Oh, hi guys! What's going on in this thread?

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2013-12-13 03:16:03 PM
The diagnosis for youths in such situations would be impulse control problems, said Atlanta psychologist Mary Gresham -- and impulse control problems are seen across all socioeconomic levels in families where limits aren't set.

i feel like this happens in poor families as well.  If the parents are working multiple jobs to get by, or the household only has a single mom or the parents are high on drugs/ never around etc, then they are not setting limits for their kids either.
 
2013-12-13 03:16:04 PM
The problem with this kind of shiat is that now, this case becomes a precedent for future cases. Raised wealthy?  Affluenza.  Middle class?  Prolio-teriate (I know, it was a stretch).  Poor?  Felon.
 
2013-12-13 03:18:15 PM
I don't condone vigilante justice, but I understand it.
 
2013-12-13 03:18:26 PM
The only known cure for affluenza is a close shave with the national razor. The treatment hurts for a second, but you'll never have this disease again for the rest of your life.
 
2013-12-13 03:19:04 PM
The lines between mental disorder, personality disorders, and just being a bad person isn't exactly crystal clear.  The sad thing is that our justice system doesn't try treatment on as many criminals as possible.  Psychiatric care for this kind of thing should be what the judge was expecting out of prison, and had no qualms with sentencing this rich douche there.


For-profit hell-holes are about the worst idea for criminals, and I honestly don't know how we ended up there.
 
2013-12-13 03:19:06 PM

iheartscotch: / don't let the help raise your farking children and maybe they won't turn out to be sleaze bags.


I don't know; I suspect that letting the help raise their child would actually have been an improvement in this case.
 
2013-12-13 03:19:57 PM

cman: You are obviously blind since you are egocentric in your views instead of looking at society as a whole


No idea WTF you're talking about.
 
2013-12-13 03:20:42 PM

cman: You are obviously blind since you are egocentric in your views instead of looking at society as a whole


Maybe you should stop blaming society, and look at your own faults first...

/sorry, had to
 
2013-12-13 03:21:00 PM

Mugato: cman: You are obviously blind since you are egocentric in your views instead of looking at society as a whole

No idea WTF you're talking about.


You think that your experience represents society as it is
 
2013-12-13 03:21:24 PM
So poor kids, who's parents are always absent, are just hardcore criminals, but rich kids, who's parents are always absent are victims? OK, got it!
 
2013-12-13 03:22:42 PM
Wealth and privilege have always meant getting away with it. I don't know why it needs a quasi-medical term to describe it.
 
2013-12-13 03:22:48 PM

cman: Mugato: cman: You are obviously blind since you are egocentric in your views instead of looking at society as a whole

No idea WTF you're talking about.

You think that your experience represents society as it is


That pretty much describes every poster here on Fark.
 
2013-12-13 03:23:35 PM
Sharpen the guillotines.  When a lawyer can successfully make the argument in court that a 16-year old getting liquored up and killing 4 people really isn't his fault because he's had every advantage in life and been given everything he every wanted, unlike you poors who had to struggle with things and thereby developed a conscience....

The sick thing isn't so much that the argument was made however, as it is that the judge bought it.  Of course the deeply corrupt state of the  TX judiciary  and its incredibly lax campaign finance laws for its all-elected judiciary probably had something to do with it
 
2013-12-13 03:25:21 PM

Mugato: cman: This isn't about socialism. This isn't about bailouts. This isn't about foodstamps.

This is about a judge making a shiatty ruling because she was convinced of an absurd argument by a lawyer.

This isn't about the rich people's attitude towards poorer people and trying to make themselves out to be victims about everything? I see it every day. Rich people whining that they pay too much in taxes, even though they find ways to pay almost nothing, too much of their taxes being given to the poors and now being discriminated against because they're too rich. The rich butthurt gets annoying after a while.


We went to get Christmas pictures made today, and a snobby woman with her twin babies came in (the place was packed).  When she was told she would have to wait 20 minutes before they would get to her, she started chewing the person out.  "I have BABIES, they have schedules and nap time and routines!"  Of course, so did EVERYONE ELSE IN THERE since it was sort of time for Christmas pictures, but of course, she was SPECIAL.  I was there with my two kids for nearly 3 hours (of course, we left and got food and whatnot and came back), but that woman was still griping.  Oh, I should mention her two kids slept quietly the entire time she biatched that she had to wait.

So yeah, I hate when people act entitled.
 
2013-12-13 03:25:35 PM

Magorn: Sharpen the guillotines.  When a lawyer can successfully make the argument in court that a 16-year old getting liquored up and killing 4 people really isn't his fault because he's had every advantage in life and been given everything he every wanted, unlike you poors who had to struggle with things and thereby developed a conscience....

The sick thing isn't so much that the argument was made however, as it is that the judge bought it.


The judge is on something, or got bribed.

/my $ it was on the $$$$$$$
 
2013-12-13 03:26:50 PM
I think I went to school with a guy like this. From the second grade until graduation he talked about how rich his family was and always had the latest and greatest of everything. After high school he never went to college spent his trust fund on drugs and ended up in the streets.
 
2013-12-13 03:27:02 PM
Before weighing in on this I need to know what type of beer was stolen.  Craft beer / good imports: I'll go along with what will probably be a lock down treatment facility.  Mass produced American pisswater: Detention - Even a crappy Dad like this kid had would have raised him better than that.  PBR: Hang the little frkker.
 
2013-12-13 03:28:31 PM
Anyone got a job opening around the southern California area that would help me catch affluenza?
 
2013-12-13 03:29:00 PM

Kaiser Blade: If the parents can't prevent the kid from killing innocent people, locking the little shiat up in prison just might.  Better yet, lock up the parents since it's been so clearly established that they were at fault.

Not looking forward to the next inevitable story, the one in which he breaks the conditions of his probation and they successfully use this defense again.

This literally makes me feel like throwing up.


This was the next inevitable story.

As an example, Miller said Couch's parents gave no punishment after police ticketed the then-15-year-old when he was found in a parked pickup with a passed out, undressed, 14-year-old girl. Miller also pointed out that Couch was allowed to drive at age 13.
 
2013-12-13 03:30:11 PM

SlothB77: The diagnosis for youths in such situations would be impulse control problems, said Atlanta psychologist Mary Gresham -- and impulse control problems are seen across all socioeconomic levels in families where limits aren't set.

i feel like this happens in poor families as well.  If the parents are working multiple jobs to get by, or the household only has a single mom or the parents are high on drugs/ never around etc, then they are not setting limits for their kids either.


Yes. The difference is, when they drunk drive and kill four people at 16, they get tried as an adult and jailed for life.
 
2013-12-13 03:32:09 PM
Affluenza most often afflicts Trustafarians.

the more you know
 
2013-12-13 03:33:30 PM

Kaiser Blade: If the parents can't prevent the kid from killing innocent people, locking the little shiat up in prison just might.  Better yet, lock up the parents since it's been so clearly established that they were at fault.

Not looking forward to the next inevitable story, the one in which he breaks the conditions of his probation and they successfully use this defense again.

This literally makes me feel like throwing up.


If he runs over the judge, all good. If gets off on said new crime, hilarious.

Look at him, he's going to get behind the wheel and do worse later on. Afterall, what's the worst that can happen?   Right, cushy treatment center with a cozy fireplace, a patio with a helluva view, lots of caring people who will talk to him and remind him that's he's a good person, just flawed.
 
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