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(Politico)   "Obama turns left" before picking up his head, looking around, muttering "What the hell? Where am I?"   (politico.com) divider line 209
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2013-12-13 08:05:08 AM
the president flies high
turns left,
looks right
 
2013-12-13 08:56:11 AM
Oh my God, look!  Once again, he's trying to recover from his low poll numbers!!

That said, wouldn't the Republicans solve a lot of their problems with the populace by raising wages?
 
2013-12-13 08:58:31 AM
Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.
 
2013-12-13 08:58:35 AM
Better late than never?
 
2013-12-13 09:00:05 AM
He's connecting to progressive populism with an aggressive, spending-oriented, activist government approach to the economy personified by Elizabeth Warren and Bill de Blasio.

It's the inevitable push back to the GOP running to the radical right and it's long overdue.

Raising the minimum wage to a living wage is a good idea and it's one worth fighting for.

TL,DR?

[okaywiththis]
 
2013-12-13 09:00:38 AM
How could that happen if he's the lib'rullest lib'rul to ever lib'rul a lib'rul, as the conservative faux outrage industrial complex has been saying since 2008?
 
2013-12-13 09:00:48 AM
If it was 30 years ago, his policies would have been considered republican.

If he were white, his policies would have been considered centrist.

Yet, he is considered far-far left, while standing at center right.

He already knows regardless of what he does, he cannot be considered anymore leftist by his foes than what he is already considered. So, it is actually time, he moves toward the left, he got nothing to lose.
 
2013-12-13 09:02:06 AM

karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.


And somewhere off in the ether Pavlov's dog's roll their eyes.
 
2013-12-13 09:03:58 AM
Not that the left will ever show up to vote in significant enough numbers to make this rhetoric a reality.
 
2013-12-13 09:05:33 AM

karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.


awww, poor baby. Just how is this Full-on Marxism or do you not understand anything about Marxism?
 
2013-12-13 09:06:22 AM

mayIFark: If it was 30 years ago, his policies would have been considered republican.

If he were white, his policies would have been considered centrist.

Yet, he is considered far-far left, while standing at center right.

He already knows regardless of what he does, he cannot be considered anymore leftist by his foes than what he is already considered. So, it is actually time, he moves toward the left, he got nothing to lose.


He should go balls deep totalitarian style economics. Earning caps, wealth redistribution, 90% tax rate, then when the smoke clears, and there is just teeth and chunks of ass everywhere, he just smiles and says, 'you said I was leftist, you got what you wanted.'

That and he still hasn't uttered, 'is the president of the motherf*cking US of A gonna have to choke a biatch?'
 
2013-12-13 09:06:53 AM
In before chart of minimum wage earner saving 100 a month and 800 throw around money......

Minimum wage is a living wage....people just live like rockstars these days....ie beyond their means.
 
2013-12-13 09:07:08 AM
Shut up, Politico, you cocks
 
2013-12-13 09:07:23 AM

The Name: Not that the left will ever show up to vote in significant enough numbers to make this rhetoric a reality.


you'd be amazed how politically active my generation is nowadays. Hell, *I'm* amazed at how politically active my generation is. They certainly are some of the most politically aware people.
 
2013-12-13 09:08:27 AM

Giltric: In before chart of minimum wage earner saving 100 a month and 800 throw around money......

Minimum wage is a living wage....people just live like rockstars these days....ie beyond their means.


Really? Really. You're going to try this. And pretend like you're not trolling?
 
2013-12-13 09:08:43 AM

Giltric: Minimum wage is a living wage....people just live like rockstars these days....ie beyond their means.


please, do explain
 
2013-12-13 09:09:11 AM

somedude210: The Name: Not that the left will ever show up to vote in significant enough numbers to make this rhetoric a reality.

you'd be amazed how politically active my generation is nowadays. Hell, *I'm* amazed at how politically active my generation is. They certainly are some of the most politically aware people.


Yet statistics prove they don't vote
 
2013-12-13 09:09:54 AM

Lost Thought 00: Yet statistics prove they don't vote


Statistics show that they voted in record numbers the last 2 elections
 
2013-12-13 09:10:26 AM

Giltric: In before chart of minimum wage earner saving 100 a month and 800 throw around money......

Minimum wage is a living wage....people just live like rockstars these days....ie beyond their means.


cloudfront.mediamatters.org
 
2013-12-13 09:11:17 AM

quatchi: karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.

And somewhere off in the ether Pavlov's dog's roll their eyes.



Much like Pavlov's dog, the American people are being conditioned to buy this "load" of crap.
Already we have been 'taught' to believe that politicians are the ruling elite when they were  originally designed to be servants of the people.
 
2013-12-13 09:12:16 AM

karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.


Oh my god, has Obama outlawed private property and given the proletariat power over the means of production?!
 
2013-12-13 09:12:25 AM
Oh bullshiat. If he was really turning left he would propose raising the minimum wage to at least $25 an hour and creating an automatic cost of living increase on that wage. Raising it a few bucks is sad and pathetic.
 
2013-12-13 09:12:33 AM
"Asked about Obama's new turn to economic progressivism, Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) - the standard bearer of his party's fiscal moderates - said, 'I still think that one of the single biggest things we could do to generate job growth would be a grand bargain.'"

Because it's the only reason anyone ever talks to him. He's in all the "Gang of ns", and none of them ever accomplished what they set out to do.

A more rational Senator might conclude that the full body of 100 (or the individual committees) is better suited to drafting legislation than for-the-media fake-bipartisan Gangs, but I think Mark's still a True Believer (isn't he a holdover from when the Senate was actually cordial?).
 
2013-12-13 09:12:35 AM

somedude210: The Name: Not that the left will ever show up to vote in significant enough numbers to make this rhetoric a reality.

you'd be amazed how politically active my generation is nowadays. Hell, *I'm* amazed at how politically active my generation is. They certainly are some of the most politically aware people.


I take it you're a millennial as well.  I agree, we are more politically active than previous generations, but 2010 was a farking disaster for which there is no excuse.  Since that happened, and since Scott Walker was reelected in Wisconsin, let's just say I've been a bit bitter and skeptical of my generation's political competence.
 
2013-12-13 09:13:16 AM

Dansker: karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.

Oh my god, has Obama outlawed private property and given the proletariat power over the means of production?!


No, but he's half-blah Democrat.

So, you know, it's like the Bolshevik uprising and er'thang!
 
2013-12-13 09:13:25 AM
You dont go full populist.... look at the tea party to find out what happens if you do.
 
2013-12-13 09:13:27 AM
Has he finally revealed Blue Steel?
 
2013-12-13 09:13:28 AM
And yet he still supports the NSA spying. This man's no leftist--just an opportunist. And yes, I'm the liberalist of liberal and that man's no 'leftist'.
 
2013-12-13 09:13:29 AM

karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.


Good thing he's never done anything resembling that, then!
 
2013-12-13 09:14:03 AM

karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.


Can you show us on the doll where Marx touched you?
 
2013-12-13 09:14:44 AM

quatchi: He's connecting to progressive populism with an aggressive, spending-oriented, activist government approach to the economy personified by Elizabeth Warren and Bill de Blasio.

It's the inevitable push back to the GOP running to the radical right and it's long overdue.

Raising the minimum wage to a living wage is a good idea and it's one worth fighting for.

TL,DR?

[okaywiththis]


What do you consider a living wage? Because I think anything less than 25 dollars an hour is not worth getting out of bed in the morning.
 
2013-12-13 09:15:53 AM

FIDoAlmighty82: And yet he still supports the NSA spying. This man's no leftist--just an opportunist. And yes, I'm the liberalist of liberal and that man's no 'leftist'.


Maybe he cares slightly more about the practical implications than the ideological ones.
 
2013-12-13 09:17:21 AM

The Name: I take it you're a millennial as well. I agree, we are more politically active than previous generations, but 2010 was a farking disaster for which there is no excuse. Since that happened, and since Scott Walker was reelected in Wisconsin, let's just say I've been a bit bitter and skeptical of my generation's political competence.


Midterms LOL

Millenials saw what happened to politics in the 90s and 2000s - Blowjobgate, then 9/11 and Iraq. We realized that, despite what the "cool" genXers told us, it does matter who we vote for. Unfortunately, the message was only clear enough that we decided the 4-year elections were important; we still have jobs and lives and ADD.

// maybe the Tea Party will spur us to vote biennially?
 
2013-12-13 09:17:41 AM

The Name: I take it you're a millennial as well. I agree, we are more politically active than previous generations, but 2010 was a farking disaster for which there is no excuse. Since that happened, and since Scott Walker was reelected in Wisconsin, let's just say I've been a bit bitter and skeptical of my generation's political competence.


Oh no doubt, but we also have to remember that mid-term elections are incredibly one-sided on who shows up. Young people very often are "bandwagon" voters, but we're working on it. We'll get them out in 2014. Funny enough, I think more will try and get out in states that tried to bar them using voter ID laws just to say "fark you guys, I'm gonna vote against you!"

at least, one can hope. We need to have the GOTV campaigns on par of 2012 levels.
 
2013-12-13 09:18:19 AM

Slaves2Darkness: quatchi: He's connecting to progressive populism with an aggressive, spending-oriented, activist government approach to the economy personified by Elizabeth Warren and Bill de Blasio.

It's the inevitable push back to the GOP running to the radical right and it's long overdue.

Raising the minimum wage to a living wage is a good idea and it's one worth fighting for.

TL,DR?

[okaywiththis]

What do you consider a living wage? Because I think anything less than 25 dollars an hour is not worth getting out of bed in the morning.


I will start off with a bid of $6.
 
2013-12-13 09:18:42 AM

Dansker: karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.

Oh my god, has Obama outlawed private property and given the proletariat power over the means of production?!


He has enacted a 3.6% increase on the top marginal tax rate and a 5% increase in capital gains tax, which is the same exact thing.
 
2013-12-13 09:18:55 AM
These days just talking about the average person gets the GOP to wet their pants.

karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.


/sigh
 
2013-12-13 09:19:43 AM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Giltric: In before chart of minimum wage earner saving 100 a month and 800 throw around money......

Minimum wage is a living wage....people just live like rockstars these days....ie beyond their means.

[cloudfront.mediamatters.org image 636x480]


Damn rock stars and their refrigerators.
 
2013-12-13 09:19:59 AM
Unlikely tag won the lotto and got struck by lightning on the way to claim the prize.
 
2013-12-13 09:20:44 AM

quatchi: He's connecting to progressive populism with an aggressive, spending-oriented, activist government approach to the economy personified by Elizabeth Warren and Bill de Blasio.

It's the inevitable push back to the GOP running to the radical right and it's long overdue.

Raising the minimum wage to a living wage is a good idea and it's one worth fighting for.

TL,DR?

[okaywiththis]


The minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage.

That said, raising it a dollar or two will have little effect on anybody. Very few people actually make exactly minimum wage.
 
2013-12-13 09:20:57 AM

Dr Dreidel: The Name: I take it you're a millennial as well. I agree, we are more politically active than previous generations, but 2010 was a farking disaster for which there is no excuse. Since that happened, and since Scott Walker was reelected in Wisconsin, let's just say I've been a bit bitter and skeptical of my generation's political competence.

Midterms LOL

Millenials saw what happened to politics in the 90s and 2000s - Blowjobgate, then 9/11 and Iraq. We realized that, despite what the "cool" genXers told us, it does matter who we vote for. Unfortunately, the message was only clear enough that we decided the 4-year elections were important; we still have jobs and lives and ADD.

// maybe the Tea Party will spur us to vote biennially?


I would not hold your breath... I think your bigger fear is will the millenials vote in a presidential election when there is not a very charasmatic dem as the headliner.
 
2013-12-13 09:22:10 AM

Saiga410: I will start off with a bid of $6.


depending on where you live, that may work. but if you live anywhere in the North-east, you're not going to be able to survive in a healthy lifestyle on $6/hour. Mississippi, maybe. but not from D.C. up
 
2013-12-13 09:22:17 AM

LasersHurt: FIDoAlmighty82: And yet he still supports the NSA spying. This man's no leftist--just an opportunist. And yes, I'm the liberalist of liberal and that man's no 'leftist'.

Maybe he cares slightly more about the practical implications than the ideological ones.


Yeah.  There seem to be two slightly different, but not necessarily contradictory, camps in the left nowadays: that which sees something like NSA spying as the most important issue, and that which sees things like the minimum wage and healthcare as most important.  Neither side is wrong, both are very important, but it is quite a divergence of priorities.

I personally am in the latter camp.  I don't like NSA spying any more than anyone else, but the bottom line is that the vast majority of us will never feel the effects of it directly; meanwhile, millions are feeling the effects of regressive economic policy.

And yeah, I know this post is going to piss off a lot of people.
 
2013-12-13 09:23:27 AM

EWreckedSean: quatchi: He's connecting to progressive populism with an aggressive, spending-oriented, activist government approach to the economy personified by Elizabeth Warren and Bill de Blasio.

It's the inevitable push back to the GOP running to the radical right and it's long overdue.

Raising the minimum wage to a living wage is a good idea and it's one worth fighting for.

TL,DR?

[okaywiththis]

The minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage.

That said, raising it a dollar or two will have little effect on anybody. Very few people actually make exactly minimum wage.


Stop dual wielding the derp. Its too much.
 
2013-12-13 09:24:17 AM

Saiga410: I would not hold your breath... I think your bigger fear is will the millenials vote in a presidential election when there is not a very charasmatic dem as the headliner.


or it could be that the millenial vote will matter enough that only the charismatic candidates survive to the general. The GOP and Clintonian Democrats really farked over my generation, not to mention all the mockery of my generation for trying to overcome being royally farked over. We hold a great deal of resentment that's going to last for a good long while.
 
2013-12-13 09:24:53 AM

karnal: quatchi: karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.

And somewhere off in the ether Pavlov's dog's roll their eyes.


Much like Pavlov's dog, the American people are being conditioned to buy this "load" of crap.
Already we have been 'taught' to believe that politicians are the ruling elite when they were  originally designed to be servants of the people.


So vote Republican, and in favor of an hereditary ruling class of wealthy surrounded by serfs?
 
2013-12-13 09:25:22 AM

The Name: And yeah, I know  hopethis post is going to piss off a lot of people.  Otherwise, I'll have no choice than to log in under my other "NAME" to get the attention I so desperately crave.


ftfy

 
2013-12-13 09:26:05 AM

Arkanaut: Dansker: karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.

Oh my god, has Obama outlawed private property and given the proletariat power over the means of production?!

He has enacted a 3.6% increase on the top marginal tax rate and a 5% increase in capital gains tax, which is the same exact thing.


13 tax increases that started January 1, 2013 were aimed right at the middle class.
 
2013-12-13 09:26:08 AM

EWreckedSean: quatchi: He's connecting to progressive populism with an aggressive, spending-oriented, activist government approach to the economy personified by Elizabeth Warren and Bill de Blasio.

It's the inevitable push back to the GOP running to the radical right and it's long overdue.

Raising the minimum wage to a living wage is a good idea and it's one worth fighting for.

TL,DR?

[okaywiththis]

The minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage.

That said, raising it a dollar or two will have little effect on anybody. Very few people actually make exactly minimum wage.


Could you be factually accurate if you wanted to? I mean, I know you don't WANT to tell the truth, but could you if you wanted to?
 
2013-12-13 09:26:16 AM

karnal: Full on Marxism is never cool, boys and girls.


Well, then, it's a good thing B. Hussein Osama is not a full on Marxist.  Or even a Marxist at all.
 
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