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(Network World)   Not only has Windows 8 sold at half the speed of Windows 7 over the same time period, Windows 8 sales are trailing off while Windows 7 sales continue to grow   (networkworld.com ) divider line
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2013-12-14 05:54:27 AM  
If you prefer this
download.chip.eu
to this
spe.fotolog.com
then you fear change...


Also
keithroysdon.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-14 08:59:46 AM  

saturn badger: skeevy420: it seems that people only use MS/Win because of proprietary MS apps (like Office)

Businesses. Active Directory. It is a big deal.


This.

Never mind Win8. We're being forced out of XP due to end of support for security patches. We have to certify that over 800 in-house and packaged apps (running on 16,000+ desktops and servers) will work on Windows 7 before April 8th, 2014.

Nope.

Certain conservative enterprises will be shoveling a mountain of cash Microsoft's way to extend support for Win XP. Take it to the bank.
 
2013-12-14 09:42:02 AM  

phamwaa: saturn badger: skeevy420: it seems that people only use MS/Win because of proprietary MS apps (like Office)

Businesses. Active Directory. It is a big deal.

This.

Never mind Win8. We're being forced out of XP due to end of support for security patches. We have to certify that over 800 in-house and packaged apps (running on 16,000+ desktops and servers) will work on Windows 7 before April 8th, 2014.

Nope.

Certain conservative enterprises will be shoveling a mountain of cash Microsoft's way to extend support for Win XP. Take it to the bank.


The hospital I work at just completed a multi-million dollar upgrade to our IT systems, mainly to switch to an all-electronic patient record system. They bought hundreds (maybe thousands?) of new Lenovo ThinkCenter i5 AOI PCs....and installed XP on them. Works like a champ, but yeah, they'll upgrade when the Devil is ice skating...
 
2013-12-14 09:44:53 AM  

ex0du5: SCUBA_Archer: Close2TheEdge: Windows 8.1 with Start8 on my desktop PC - Runs like a dream
Windows 8.1 native on my Surface Pro - Works great and makes a tablet actually a functional business device
Windows 8.1 native on my Dell Venue Pro 8 - Works great and is a nice tablet for "fun" stuff like Kindle, games, Netflix, etc.

Don't get what all the complaints are about.

Facepalm.......

Why aren't you running Win 8.1 native if it's such an awesome, issue-free OS?

Ahahahahahaha...ha!

Woo!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

That's hilarious!  I totally see it, too.  You run all of your OSes without any other programs installed.  You're a purist.  If the OS needs you to install a program, it clearly is insufficient.  Your new PS4 is a beautiful way to play CDs, but you ain't gonna stick any non-preinstalled games on it.  That MacBook's TextEdit is where your serious word processing needs are met.  And you absolutely love your android clock.

You totally need that on a meme!  Maybe with the douchehat.

Great work!  Keep it up!


They're are talking about functions that the OS should handle in the first place. I don't expect my OS to be a word processor, but I do expect it to not require additional software in order to do its job. I never had to install anything extra for 2K, XP, 7, or any of the OSXs. My iOS and Android also work as advertised out of the box.

You know, when Apple releases an OS, they turn off the new UI options by default. They give you a tour of the new features and show how you can use it if you like. There's even a variant of the iOS app screen, but you have to activate it, not the other way around. The same was true of my Motorola Droids.

On the other hand, my Samsung Galaxy S4 has EVERYTHING on by default, and gets about diddly-squat for battery life until I go in and fix it. Yes, it's neat that it can do all these things automatically, but most people aren't going to be digging around all the preferences spread out all over creation.
 
2013-12-14 10:21:34 AM  

Gleeman: The hospital I work at just completed a multi-million dollar upgrade to our IT systems, mainly to switch to an all-electronic patient record system. They bought hundreds (maybe thousands?) of new Lenovo ThinkCenter i5 AOI PCs....and installed XP on them. Works like a champ, but yeah, they'll upgrade when the Devil is ice skating...


About 2 months ago I was in the hospital to get a staph infection lanced and cleaned.  While I was there I realized that every PC ran Windows XP Embedded.

With so many users still on XP and so many staying or downgrading to 7, you'd think Microsoft would realize that there is a big market of people who just want a workstation that works.  A workstation that just runs programs correctly without tons of animations, live tiles, multiple UI's that really don't work together, and doesn't use keyboard shortcuts over click, clickety, click, click, click.

For me, all I need Windows to do is just play games, which it does just fine.  I'm hoping that Steam for Linux takes off.  If that happens then there's a good chance that Steam'll convert some Windows users to Linux users, which will force MS to make a good desktop and be competitive again.  MS has no real competition so they can do as the please and gaming on Linux (or Mac even) will probably be Microsoft's biggest threat in the home desktop market.
 
2013-12-14 10:37:21 AM  
Is this the thread where everybody who actually has to use or administer a/multiple pc(s) agrees that windows 7 is light years ahead of windows 8, and then the microsoft shills come in and try and say that if we don't like windows 8 we are using it wrong? Good times.
 
2013-12-14 11:43:47 AM  

luidprand: ex0du5: SCUBA_Archer: Close2TheEdge: Windows 8.1 with Start8 on my desktop PC - Runs like a dream
Windows 8.1 native on my Surface Pro - Works great and makes a tablet actually a functional business device
Windows 8.1 native on my Dell Venue Pro 8 - Works great and is a nice tablet for "fun" stuff like Kindle, games, Netflix, etc.

Don't get what all the complaints are about.

Facepalm.......

Why aren't you running Win 8.1 native if it's such an awesome, issue-free OS?

Ahahahahahaha...ha!

Woo!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

That's hilarious!  I totally see it, too.  You run all of your OSes without any other programs installed.  You're a purist.  If the OS needs you to install a program, it clearly is insufficient.  Your new PS4 is a beautiful way to play CDs, but you ain't gonna stick any non-preinstalled games on it.  That MacBook's TextEdit is where your serious word processing needs are met.  And you absolutely love your android clock.

You totally need that on a meme!  Maybe with the douchehat.

Great work!  Keep it up!

They're are talking about functions that the OS should handle in the first place. I don't expect my OS to be a word processor, but I do expect it to not require additional software in order to do its job. I never had to install anything extra for 2K, XP, 7, or any of the OSXs. My iOS and Android also work as advertised out of the box.

You know, when Apple releases an OS, they turn off the new UI options by default. They give you a tour of the new features and show how you can use it if you like. There's even a variant of the iOS app screen, but you have to activate it, not the other way around. The same was true of my Motorola Droids.

On the other hand, my Samsung Galaxy S4 has EVERYTHING on by default, and gets about diddly-squat for battery life until I go in and fix it. Yes, it's neat that it can do all these things automatically, but most people aren't going to be digging around all the preferences spread out all over creation.


That's a lot of words to make yourself feel better. Its seriously wrong. From any modern UI measures, the OS offers better capabilities out of the box than what is being discussed. Click count better. Seek time by Fitts law better.

But if you desire the old, less competent way, there are products to give you that. You are arguing that a fully customizable OS is somehow bad because the mechanisms it chooses to expose are not the bad UI you desire. Even if you can get it somehow else, out of some weird principle.

And you solliloquy about it.
 
kab
2013-12-14 12:46:41 PM  

ex0du5: You run all of your OSes without any other programs installed. You're a purist. If the OS needs you to install a program, it clearly is insufficient.


There's a very clear difference between installing a program that carries out a task that the OS doesn't natively handle, and installing a program to make your OS not behave or display like a digital short bus.
 
2013-12-14 01:03:18 PM  

ex0du5: luidprand: ex0du5: SCUBA_Archer: Close2TheEdge: Windows 8.1 with Start8 on my desktop PC - Runs like a dream
Windows 8.1 native on my Surface Pro - Works great and makes a tablet actually a functional business device
Windows 8.1 native on my Dell Venue Pro 8 - Works great and is a nice tablet for "fun" stuff like Kindle, games, Netflix, etc.

Don't get what all the complaints are about.

Facepalm.......

Why aren't you running Win 8.1 native if it's such an awesome, issue-free OS?

Ahahahahahaha...ha!

Woo!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

That's hilarious!  I totally see it, too.  You run all of your OSes without any other programs installed.  You're a purist.  If the OS needs you to install a program, it clearly is insufficient.  Your new PS4 is a beautiful way to play CDs, but you ain't gonna stick any non-preinstalled games on it.  That MacBook's TextEdit is where your serious word processing needs are met.  And you absolutely love your android clock.

You totally need that on a meme!  Maybe with the douchehat.

Great work!  Keep it up!

They're are talking about functions that the OS should handle in the first place. I don't expect my OS to be a word processor, but I do expect it to not require additional software in order to do its job. I never had to install anything extra for 2K, XP, 7, or any of the OSXs. My iOS and Android also work as advertised out of the box.

You know, when Apple releases an OS, they turn off the new UI options by default. They give you a tour of the new features and show how you can use it if you like. There's even a variant of the iOS app screen, but you have to activate it, not the other way around. The same was true of my Motorola Droids.

On the other hand, my Samsung Galaxy S4 has EVERYTHING on by default, and gets about diddly-squat for battery life until I go in and fix it. Yes, it's neat that it can do all these things automatically, but most people aren't going to be digging around all the preferences spread out all over ...


No, I'm arguing that a fully customizable OS is a very good thing. Just that everything new defaulting to on is a bad thing. I gave the example of OSX and Samsung's Galaxy S4 as two polar opposites of how you introduce people to new features. Win8 is closer to the S4 end (having to use a keyboard shortcut is bad UI design, as are invisible hot spots (actually, no hot spot should be invisible unless the user explicitly specifies it)).

Reducing clicks is an important thing, but it is hardly the only thing. If one is upgrading from a previous system, the preferences of the existing system should be carried over, when possible, and if not possible, then a clear and explicit path needs to exist.  Cutting or hiding features for the sake of forcing the user into a new methodology is downright contrary to good UI design - you should never force a behavior unless there is a structural reason to do so. Since Start8 and the like clearly exist and work fine, without damaging or impairing the OS, these changes are clearly in the facade and not the structure. Therefore, it is bad design to insist on them.

Please bear in mind that I HATE the Start button and always have. I'd rather have to deal with X11 and tcsh than use that gawdawful mess. However, even if the design sucks, changing it for the sake of changing it is never a good idea, especially if you have spent more than a decade getting people to use it.
 
2013-12-14 03:20:33 PM  
As MacroShiat has not been able to fix XP before it's end of life, I will skip directly to Linux....
 
2013-12-14 03:28:07 PM  

Dafatone: Win 8.1 "integrated search" searches bing as well as the desktop for anything I put in.

As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Win 8.1 has to load a separate screen for this, and then throw a lot of internet results and ads my way.

Bah.


Since this thread turned into "Windows 8 searching therapy", let me mention "Indexing Options".  (Charms, Search, change to Settings search, "Indexing Options")

I also have thousands of tiny writings, I switch my local login comparatively frequently...  bottom line, I never bought into the "jam everything into the Documents directory under %HOMEPATH%" organizational scheme.  When I got curious about why my stuff wasn't findable, Indexing Options told me that it wasn't indexing where I put my actual stuff.

If I were wise, I'd move everything under %homepath%\documents, and get incremental file backup and all the other free goodness as well...  but I need to eveolve and unclench a little more.  Maybe next year.
 
2013-12-14 03:50:04 PM  

AgentPothead: Is this the thread where everybody who actually has to use or administer a/multiple pc(s) agrees that windows 7 is light years ahead of windows 8, and then the microsoft shills come in and try and say that if we don't like windows 8 we are using it wrong? Good times.


I am mystified by this comment.

AD still works, Group Policies still work, OS/software patching via SCCM still works, virtual machines are fine, all the core network services still work in the same ways...  Some of the load-balancing features in 2012 are a huge step up from 2008 R2.

The only hassle I ran into was that stock-standard Win8 Pro could not access some DFS resources out of the box -- they had to be patched before the GPO's drive assignments would take effect.  I do consider that a bit of a major faux-pas for vendor on the scale of MS, but that took all of 10 minutes to figure out.

The only issues I have now are the usual ones -- vendors are slow to update products and drivers for Win8.1 compatibility, and it will take forever to test a wad of legacy products with it.  Have seen some blue screens due to old drivers, but nothing unfixable.

What sort of challenges are you finding?

/Win2012 + 2008 R2 + 7/8/8.1 mixed environment.
 
2013-12-14 04:57:44 PM  

ex0du5: That's a lot of words to make yourself feel better. Its seriously wrong. From any modern UI measures, the OS offers better capabilities out of the box than what is being discussed. Click count better. Seek time by Fitts law better.


By those measures it is a little but better, but it commits a whole new range of usability sins which nullify the advantages. Also, keep in mind Fitt's law not only concerns size, but also distance. Trying to select tiles on a 27" touch screen compared to items from a much smaller Start Menu on the same size display is a lot harder because your mouse needs to travel a huge distance to reach those large tiles.
 
2013-12-14 05:39:43 PM  

lifeboat: Heh. The start button issue is hilarious because I remember all the biatching when that thing was introduced with Windows 95... "what the fark, Micro$oft - I gotta hit 'Start' to shut it down?!?"

Heh, good times.



This. For me the Apps menu (Start, down arrow) in 8.1 is miles better than the Win7 one. More logical grouping of apps, and it uses my entire farking screen. Much better than a tiny window opening in whatever corner of your monitor. Looking to start a new application is not typically a multitasking activity requiring you to pay attention to other windows, so why not do it in full screen? Why the need to open sometimes multiple submenus by pointing to different locations on the screen.

It's why most people have shortcuts placed on the desktop and/or taskbar, something you still do in win8.
I can understand the familiarity argument, to a point. But if you're telling me you liked the old Start menu then I point and laugh in your general direction.

The tiley Start menu is meh, but you can configure 8.1 to bypass it completely in favor of the Apps menu (right click taskbar  / properties). Same for Metro apps, you don't have to use them at all if you're not on a tablet.

More to the topic, I imagine a lot of businesses are looking to finally ditch XP and for them it makes sense to go with 7. More battle tested and win8 hasn't really brought anything that significant for IT to justify its selection over 7.
Then again, if you're choosing to go with 7 rather than 8 for a non-touch device I can't imagine MS being all that upset. They still got your money.

I'm sure they are sweating the general PC market decline a lot more. And the argument that win8 was somehow partially responsible for that decline is BS. People who still buy PCs do it because they have stuff they want to run on them. Those who really don't like 8 are going with 7.
 
2013-12-14 05:58:23 PM  
ex0du5:
Ahahahahahaha...ha!

Woo!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

That's hilarious!  I totally see it, too.  You run all of your OSes without any other programs installed.  You're a purist.  If the OS needs you to install a program, it clearly is insufficient.  Your new PS4 is a beautiful way to play CDs, but you ain't gonna stick any non-preinstalled games on it.  That MacBook's TextEdit is where your serious word processing needs are met.  And you absolutely love your android clock.

You totally need that on a meme!  Maybe with the douchehat.

Great work!  Keep it up!


And according to you, Start8 is just a mere piece of software.  It doesn't, you know, change the whole operation of Windows 8 so that it behaves like Windows 7.  You're being daft if you think that someone installing Start8 would be just as happy with a spreadsheet program instead.
 
2013-12-14 06:58:30 PM  
trash
 
2013-12-14 10:53:18 PM  

skeevy420: With so many users still on XP and so many staying or downgrading to 7, you'd think Microsoft would realize that there is a big market of people who just want a workstation that works.


The problem is that XP users aren't paying for the updates.  I suppose they could start a subscription-only update system and charge extra to keep working on the OS, but it's old code.  Why keep supporting it?
 
2013-12-15 12:17:54 AM  

Lsherm: skeevy420: With so many users still on XP and so many staying or downgrading to 7, you'd think Microsoft would realize that there is a big market of people who just want a workstation that works.

The problem is that XP users aren't paying for the updates.  I suppose they could start a subscription-only update system and charge extra to keep working on the OS, but it's old code.  Why keep supporting it?


MS corporate licensing, pretty much winds up being a software subscription service, so MS still makes money on the licenses if the users are downgraded to XP or 7.
 
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