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(Network World)   Not only has Windows 8 sold at half the speed of Windows 7 over the same time period, Windows 8 sales are trailing off while Windows 7 sales continue to grow   (networkworld.com) divider line 218
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2013-12-13 03:51:14 PM  

skozlaw: Right click on the desktop and:


Oh, or if you're a keyboard guy you can also use the built in key combo CTRL-ALT-F
 
2013-12-13 03:52:53 PM  

skozlaw: Dafatone: As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Do yourself a favor and create a shortcut on the Desktop to explorer.exe.

Right click on the desktop and:

New > Shortcut

Location of the item is explorer.exe, then give it a meaningful name. When you open it, you'll get an Explorer shell and you can use the search bar to do a search in the Windows 7 style that actually produces a productive list.

Like most things in Windows 8, you can't make it as good as it was before Microsoft decided to fark it sideways for no apparent reason, but you can make it about 90% as good as it was at least.


In that vein - if you didn't want to disable the Bing search entirely, just go charms > search > and then switch if from "Everywhere" to "Files" before searching.
 
2013-12-13 03:57:17 PM  

seanpg71: In that vein - if you didn't want to disable the Bing search entirely, just go charms > search > and then switch if from "Everywhere" to "Files" before searching.


You can also open the crappy metro search straight to a file search with Winkey+F without modifying any settings.

I prefer to just avoid the metro search sidebar altogether though since your ability to manipulate or browse the results is extraordinarily limited.
 
2013-12-13 03:58:55 PM  

Linux_Yes: and windows Linux is kicking ass in everthing except the Desktop market in the good ole' USA.


What the hell is Windows Linux?
 
2013-12-13 04:02:01 PM  

Dragonflew: What the hell is Windows Linux?


Cygwin?

/ just smile and nod... he's a bit... touched
 
2013-12-13 04:03:44 PM  

skozlaw: Dragonflew: What the hell is Windows Linux?

Cygwin?

/ just smile and nod... he's a bit... touched


Oh I know. I can almost hear the collective groan when he shows up in a thread, even from other Linux die-hards.
 
2013-12-13 04:04:51 PM  
The quantities of hate, idiocy, and intentional misinformation demonstrated in this thread are truly baffling.

The operating system runs faster and is more stable than its predecessors. It is easy to use. People who claim otherwise have never used it, are lying, or are so stupid I wouldn't trust them to scrub a toilet.
 
2013-12-13 04:07:09 PM  

Feepit: The quantities of hate, idiocy, and intentional misinformation demonstrated in this thread are truly baffling.

The operating system runs faster and is more stable than its predecessors. It is easy to use. People who claim otherwise have never used it, are lying, or are so stupid I wouldn't trust them to scrub a toilet.


You have a weird, emotional attachment to software.

/ it can't love you back, you know
 
2013-12-13 04:11:30 PM  

skozlaw: You have a weird, emotional attachment to software.

/ it can't love you back, you know


I don't care about the software. I'm am just repulsed by the thought of having to interact with morons who are incapable of using something simpler than an Abacus.
 
2013-12-13 04:17:43 PM  

Dragonflew: Linux_Yes: and windows Linux is kicking ass in everthing except the Desktop market in the good ole' USA.

What the hell is Windows Linux?



i'm just being cheeky because when i see a thread that mentions another problem with windows, it amuses me that there is little mention of Linux in the thread.  it's funny to me that so many can't see the forest because billy gate's trees are in the way.

imagine the highmast lookout on the Titanic:  "Iceberg, right ahead!!"   and the engine room responds with "where?  what iceberg. this ship can't sink anyway, so why are you getting all huffy and puffya about icebergs?"
 
2013-12-13 04:20:00 PM  
i746.photobucket.com

I'm just waiting for MS to patch 8.1 so it remembers my network drive log on for more than a couple of hours.
 
2013-12-13 04:22:34 PM  

Feepit: The quantities of hate, idiocy, and intentional misinformation demonstrated in this thread are truly baffling.

The operating system runs faster and is more stable than its predecessors. It is easy to use. People who claim otherwise have never used it, are lying, or are so stupid I wouldn't trust them to scrub a toilet.


The whole premise is dumb. Forget the people in the thread.

Windows sales are driven mostly by PC sales. The number one buyer of PCs is the enterprise market. Enterprise buyers don't judge an OS nearly as much on whether it's what their employees want as on whether or not buying equipment with the OS pre-installed is necessary. When Windows 7 came out, an upgrade over XP was desperately needed, and not in the least because support for XP was ending sooner rather than later. This meant that everyone who had XP was upgrading to Windows 7, which, in turn, lead to massive sales of the OS. Enterprise customers, known for having absurdly long upgrade cycles, are still rounding-out the Windows 7-based infrastructures they started on a few years ago. Whether they like Windows 8.x or not is inconsequential; Microsoft already gave them the OS they  needed with Windows 7. 

TL;DR: Microsoft's biggest customer group is sitting this upgrade cycle out because Windows 7 is still being rolled out, and no OS is going to sell well in the face of that.
 
2013-12-13 04:27:40 PM  

taurusowner: I will say that the only thing I don't like about Windows 8 is that I can't run Internet Explorer 7 or 8. Sounds odd, I know. But a lot of military and government websites were coded by monkeys and won't run on anything other than IE 7 or 8. Not Chrome, not Firefox, not IE 9 or above. On Win7 I kept IE 8 around just for certain government sites. Can't do that in Windows 8.

But other than that, Windows 8 is fantastic. And I think the live tiles on the Start Screen are awesome. I'm very used to using widgets on Android phones that give me certain information at a glace. Weather, News, Time in different time zones, prices of gold and silver, pending Google Tasks and calender events, etc. I like looking at my phone and having widgets display all those things in real time. I tried using the desktop gadgets in Windows 7 to do the same thing but that was beyond hokey. Win8 Start Menu lets me do all that and access common programs just like phone shortcuts. But I can still do everything I could on 7 like running full versions on programs, Steam, etc. Best of both worlds.


You sound like a shareholder :P
 
2013-12-13 04:30:48 PM  

Marine1: Feepit: The quantities of hate, idiocy, and intentional misinformation demonstrated in this thread are truly baffling.

The operating system runs faster and is more stable than its predecessors. It is easy to use. People who claim otherwise have never used it, are lying, or are so stupid I wouldn't trust them to scrub a toilet.

The whole premise is dumb. Forget the people in the thread.

Windows sales are driven mostly by PC sales. The number one buyer of PCs is the enterprise market. Enterprise buyers don't judge an OS nearly as much on whether it's what their employees want as on whether or not buying equipment with the OS pre-installed is necessary. When Windows 7 came out, an upgrade over XP was desperately needed, and not in the least because support for XP was ending sooner rather than later. This meant that everyone who had XP was upgrading to Windows 7, which, in turn, lead to massive sales of the OS. Enterprise customers, known for having absurdly long upgrade cycles, are still rounding-out the Windows 7-based infrastructures they started on a few years ago. Whether they like Windows 8.x or not is inconsequential; Microsoft already gave them the OS they  needed with Windows 7. 

TL;DR: Microsoft's biggest customer group is sitting this upgrade cycle out because Windows 7 is still being rolled out, and no OS is going to sell well in the face of that.


i actually considered getting windows 8 because 7 doesn't have native USB 3.0 support

i wouldn't be shocked if more and more things aren't supported in 7
 
2013-12-13 04:31:31 PM  

AdamK: Marine1: Feepit: The quantities of hate, idiocy, and intentional misinformation demonstrated in this thread are truly baffling.

The operating system runs faster and is more stable than its predecessors. It is easy to use. People who claim otherwise have never used it, are lying, or are so stupid I wouldn't trust them to scrub a toilet.

The whole premise is dumb. Forget the people in the thread.

Windows sales are driven mostly by PC sales. The number one buyer of PCs is the enterprise market. Enterprise buyers don't judge an OS nearly as much on whether it's what their employees want as on whether or not buying equipment with the OS pre-installed is necessary. When Windows 7 came out, an upgrade over XP was desperately needed, and not in the least because support for XP was ending sooner rather than later. This meant that everyone who had XP was upgrading to Windows 7, which, in turn, lead to massive sales of the OS. Enterprise customers, known for having absurdly long upgrade cycles, are still rounding-out the Windows 7-based infrastructures they started on a few years ago. Whether they like Windows 8.x or not is inconsequential; Microsoft already gave them the OS they  needed with Windows 7. 

TL;DR: Microsoft's biggest customer group is sitting this upgrade cycle out because Windows 7 is still being rolled out, and no OS is going to sell well in the face of that.

i actually considered getting windows 8 because 7 doesn't have native USB 3.0 support

i wouldn't be shocked if more and more things aren't supported in 7


That's how it works, really. New features are given.
 
kab
2013-12-13 04:35:17 PM  

Feepit: The quantities of hate, idiocy, and intentional misinformation demonstrated in this thread are truly baffling.

The operating system runs faster and is more stable than its predecessors. It is easy to use. People who claim otherwise have never used it, are lying, or are so stupid I wouldn't trust them to scrub a toilet.


Such vehemence over a lego block OS can't be healthy.

/calm down bro.
 
db2
2013-12-13 04:35:20 PM  

Marine1: In this thread, people who don't understand the nature of enterprise deployments.


This. Yes, if you can't come to terms with the changes in UI paradigms in Windows 8, you are probably a lazy simpleton*. And you know what? There are a lot of gainfully employed lazy simpletons. I'll run Windows 8 on all my machines, and I'll do a lunch-and-learn for anybody that wants to get up to speed on it, but I'm not signing the directive to deploy it company-wide and be the guy they come looking for when productivity has dropped by some measurable percentage and the help desk is totally swamped.

(*You don't have to like the changes in Windows 8, but it's not like learning to fly a damned 747.)
 
2013-12-13 04:45:32 PM  

Dafatone: Win 8.1 "integrated search" searches bing as well as the desktop for anything I put in.

As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Win 8.1 has to load a separate screen for this, and then throw a lot of internet results and ads my way.

Bah.


If only there was some sort of setting, to narrow down your search criteria . . . Or some way to use the previous search function in file explorer . . .
scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net
If only . . .

/searching for local content is still completely ad free too.
 
2013-12-13 04:49:06 PM  

db2: Marine1: In this thread, people who don't understand the nature of enterprise deployments.

This. Yes, if you can't come to terms with the changes in UI paradigms in Windows 8, you are probably a lazy simpleton*. And you know what? There are a lot of gainfully employed lazy simpletons. I'll run Windows 8 on all my machines, and I'll do a lunch-and-learn for anybody that wants to get up to speed on it, but I'm not signing the directive to deploy it company-wide and be the guy they come looking for when productivity has dropped by some measurable percentage and the help desk is totally swamped.

(*You don't have to like the changes in Windows 8, but it's not like learning to fly a damned 747.)


Excuse me, I've been told several times that you do indeed need to like it, or you're a liar, a simpleton, and a luddite.  Are you saying those people are wrong?
 
2013-12-13 04:50:10 PM  
And if you'd like, it's realty farking easy to disable web searches with the integrated search function:

cdn.howtogeek.com
But giving people options, that's scary!
 
2013-12-13 04:52:01 PM  

The Larch: Microsoft used to have a product called Silverlight that was part of the roadmap to allow developers to do something like that, but Microsoft killed it, and they haven't even hinted at a replacement.


Flash in Adobe AIR.

Ya Rly
 
2013-12-13 05:05:07 PM  

Linux_Yes: i'm just being cheeky because when i see a thread that mentions another problem with windows, it amuses me that there is little mention of Linux in the thread.


That's because it's not a thread about Linux.

It's obvious by your Login that your personal identity is tied in with your choice of OS.
Perhaps tied a little too tightly. (The fact that you have a neckbeard is assumed).
Please note that my name is not Windows Fan.

What I like most about Windows is that all the latest games and apps run on it.
Hell, I can run 20 year old software in the latest version of Windows.
 
2013-12-13 05:42:58 PM  
I can't believe there are OS white knights..
 
2013-12-13 06:04:16 PM  
It's not just about Metro, they stripped out Aero also and left that flat pastel shiat in its place.

Damn Windows 8, you ugly!
 
2013-12-13 06:13:03 PM  

lifeboat: Heh. The start button issue is hilarious because I remember all the biatching when that thing was introduced with Windows 95... "what the fark, Micro$oft - I gotta hit 'Start' to shut it down?!?"

Heh, good times.


I remember having to convince my stepmom that Windows '95 was the future and how much better it was than windows 3.1 ... These days, I'll be helping friends and troubleshooting from DOS and they'll be amazed because the plain text screen looks like such serious business. "Are you some kind of hacker?" ... "It's just DOS, you fool!" ... those were the days.
 
2013-12-13 06:26:12 PM  
Honestly, Microsoft should listen to this guy:  http://jay-machalani.squarespace.com/blog/2013/12/12/fixing-windows-8

That'd be enough for me to give Windows 8.2 a shot.
 
2013-12-13 07:04:28 PM  
Windows 8.1 with Start8 on my desktop PC - Runs like a dream
Windows 8.1 native on my Surface Pro - Works great and makes a tablet actually a functional business device
Windows 8.1 native on my Dell Venue Pro 8 - Works great and is a nice tablet for "fun" stuff like Kindle, games, Netflix, etc.

Don't get what all the complaints are about.
 
2013-12-13 07:10:34 PM  

BlackPete: Honestly, Microsoft should listen to this guy:  http://jay-machalani.squarespace.com/blog/2013/12/12/fixing-windows-8

That'd be enough for me to give Windows 8.2 a shot.


See, I like that idea.  Integrates the good stuff from Metro, without having it take over the entire interface.
 
2013-12-13 07:20:34 PM  

KRSESQ: Windows 8 is not a terrible OS (that distinction will be held by Windows ME for years to come). But MS totally screwed the pooch in 8's design and marketing.


So then, it is a terrible OS.  I mean, what else really matters besides the OS design and user experience?  Let's not sugarcoat things.

And these threads are now famous for, "I don't have any problems with it; I don't get the complaints."  What is it that people who post that think is useful about that statement?  In what way is this a legitimate argument that everything about Windows 8 is hunky-dory?
 
2013-12-13 07:53:54 PM  
If you don't like this:

files.conceptcarz.com

Better than this:

www.allfordmustangs.com

YOU HATE CHANGE!
 
2013-12-13 07:54:54 PM  

karmachameleon: KRSESQ: Windows 8 is not a terrible OS (that distinction will be held by Windows ME for years to come). But MS totally screwed the pooch in 8's design and marketing.

So then, it is a terrible OS.  I mean, what else really matters besides the OS design and user experience?  Let's not sugarcoat things.

And these threads are now famous for, "I don't have any problems with it; I don't get the complaints."  What is it that people who post that think is useful about that statement?  In what way is this a legitimate argument that everything about Windows 8 is hunky-dory?


Windows 8 will do exactly what it was designed to do for 90% of users 90% of the time. That makes it good enough for government work.

/have to agree wholeheartedly with Hand Banana: Damn, Windows 8, you ugly!
 
2013-12-13 07:57:01 PM  

karmachameleon: KRSESQ: Windows 8 is not a terrible OS (that distinction will be held by Windows ME for years to come). But MS totally screwed the pooch in 8's design and marketing.

So then, it is a terrible OS.  I mean, what else really matters besides the OS design and user experience?  Let's not sugarcoat things.

And these threads are now famous for, "I don't have any problems with it; I don't get the complaints."  What is it that people who post that think is useful about that statement?  In what way is this a legitimate argument that everything about Windows 8 is hunky-dory?


A lot of things matter - user experience is certainly a big one, but so are stability, security, and resource requirements, all of which Windows 8 improves on.

Plus, Metro isn't universally reviled.  The people saying 'I don't have a problem with it' are the counter to the people that are calling it the worst thing ever.  There are people who realize that the interface isn't that big of a change, especially on the desktop, and others who actually like Metro.
 
2013-12-13 08:16:11 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: doglover:

1. Nobody likes change.


That's what is pretty much boils down to, plus a lot of people thinking that Windows 8 is all metro all the time due to all of the people biatching about it.

MS halted retail sales of Windows 7 in October, and the cutoff for OEMs to ship with it is set for the end of next year, though I think MS would be smart to move that date up.

MacOS or Linux are both much larger changes than moving from 7 to 8, and most people aren't going to be willing to pay the price for Apple hardware to run OSX anyway.

Take away the option to run 7 and most people will go with 8 by default, and realize that it's pretty much the same darn thing as 7 other than the start menu vs start screen from a usability perspective.


Nope.

Look how long MS was forced to maintain XP support even after Vista launched. I remember people paying extra to have Vista removed, and have XP installed on a reformatted drive just to valid the problems. And that's completely ignoring the steaming mess that was Win ME.

At a business level, considering how little companies like to pay to retrain employees, they're not likely to touch W8, ever. I've used it, and yes it is stable and shiny, but so was W7 with about a million times less annoyance just to run a program.

Ballmer needs to get cockpunched repeatedly by their investors, until they release W7.5 or something that people will actually buy. Oh, and on the licensing thing, MS released lots of extra keys for XP too after the "final" date several times. Given how many companies are just now finishing W7 migrations, they'll be supporting the OS for a long time.
 
2013-12-13 08:29:10 PM  

Dragonflew: If you don't like this:

[files.conceptcarz.com image 850x564]

Better than this:

[www.allfordmustangs.com image 850x404]

YOU HATE CHANGE!


Heh. A friend of mine had a '74 Mustang II (the fastback) and shoehorned a 351 Cleveland into it. He had to cut out the inner wheel wells to accommodate the custom exhaust. I think he drove it once and it put the fear of God in him and he never drove it again.
 
2013-12-13 08:30:48 PM  

karmachameleon: I mean, what else really matters besides the OS design and user experience? Let's not sugarcoat things.


Well, it's an Operating System, does it operate your computer well?

And these threads are now famous for, "I don't have any problems with it; I don't get the complaints." What is it that people who post that think is useful about that statement? In what way is this a legitimate argument that everything about Windows 8 is hunky-dory?

Since many people use the internet for information, some readers of this thread may find it useful to know that not all users have difficulties with, or objections to, Windows 8.

I remember how DOS users used to complain about Windows 3.1.
I myself didn't like the 'Fisher-Price' appearance of Windows XP.
Nobody seemed to like Windows Vista at all.

And yet, we survived these challenges. Just as you may finally pull that stick out of your ass.
 
2013-12-13 08:48:55 PM  

houstondragon: TuteTibiImperes: doglover:

1. Nobody likes change.


That's what is pretty much boils down to, plus a lot of people thinking that Windows 8 is all metro all the time due to all of the people biatching about it.

MS halted retail sales of Windows 7 in October, and the cutoff for OEMs to ship with it is set for the end of next year, though I think MS would be smart to move that date up.

MacOS or Linux are both much larger changes than moving from 7 to 8, and most people aren't going to be willing to pay the price for Apple hardware to run OSX anyway.

Take away the option to run 7 and most people will go with 8 by default, and realize that it's pretty much the same darn thing as 7 other than the start menu vs start screen from a usability perspective.

Nope.

Look how long MS was forced to maintain XP support even after Vista launched. I remember people paying extra to have Vista removed, and have XP installed on a reformatted drive just to valid the problems. And that's completely ignoring the steaming mess that was Win ME.

At a business level, considering how little companies like to pay to retrain employees, they're not likely to touch W8, ever. I've used it, and yes it is stable and shiny, but so was W7 with about a million times less annoyance just to run a program.

Ballmer needs to get cockpunched repeatedly by their investors, until they release W7.5 or something that people will actually buy. Oh, and on the licensing thing, MS released lots of extra keys for XP too after the "final" date several times. Given how many companies are just now finishing W7 migrations, they'll be supporting the OS for a long time.


Depending on the survey MS owns between 85% and 93% of the operating system market share for personal computers. MS has already stopped shipping retail copies of Windows 7, and if they stop licensing OEM copies, the only realistic alternative is to move to Windows 8.

It's a little bit different, but not different enough that any substantial training would be required.  By and large office users aren't going to be changing settings or deep diving into the OS, if they're even allowed to by the corporate IT policy.  Systems running 8.1 set to boot to desktop with the programs needed for work pre-loaded and linked to the taskbar means that most work users will extremely rarely, if ever, see anything Metro related.  The vast majority should be able to pick up where they left off without any training whatsoever.

There are no realistic alternatives.  MacOS comes tied to high priced Apple hardware, and Linux comes with a huge range of driver incompatibilities and a user interface far more foreign than Windows 8.

MS is the big dick daddy of the personal computer OS space, and there are no serious competitors that can change that.
 
2013-12-13 09:17:05 PM  

MrSteve007: Dafatone: Win 8.1 "integrated search" searches bing as well as the desktop for anything I put in.

As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Win 8.1 has to load a separate screen for this, and then throw a lot of internet results and ads my way.

Bah.

If only there was some sort of setting, to narrow down your search criteria . . . Or some way to use the previous search function in file explorer . . .
[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 713x722]
If only . . .

/searching for local content is still completely ad free too.


Maybe you guys can answer why the default for searching on your computer is an internet search? And why ads show up at all?

And another thing - keyboard shortcuts and other such things should function to make otherwise available tasks quicker to perform (Edit->copy/ctrl-v, for example) or ones that should only be used rarely (Apple-option-P-R is a good example). Is there an easy equivalent to searching for and running apps without using the Winkey-F keyboard shortcut (Apple's Apple-shift-4 is an example where there should be but isn't an easier way to do something)?

/Running OSX.9 with Win7 in parallels.
 
2013-12-13 09:30:45 PM  
www.independent.co.uk

hate change, etc
 
2013-12-13 09:39:42 PM  
I'm sad now.
 
2013-12-13 09:52:18 PM  

luidprand: MrSteve007: Dafatone: Win 8.1 "integrated search" searches bing as well as the desktop for anything I put in.

As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Win 8.1 has to load a separate screen for this, and then throw a lot of internet results and ads my way.

Bah.

If only there was some sort of setting, to narrow down your search criteria . . . Or some way to use the previous search function in file explorer . . .
[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 713x722]
If only . . .

/searching for local content is still completely ad free too.

Maybe you guys can answer why the default for searching on your computer is an internet search? And why ads show up at all?

And another thing - keyboard shortcuts and other such things should function to make otherwise available tasks quicker to perform (Edit->copy/ctrl-v, for example) or ones that should only be used rarely (Apple-option-P-R is a good example). Is there an easy equivalent to searching for and running apps without using the Winkey-F keyboard shortcut (Apple's Apple-shift-4 is an example where there should be but isn't an easier way to do something)?

/Running OSX.9 with Win7 in parallels.


Launching programs with Windows 8 is easy.  The two quickest methods would be:

1. Pin commonly used applications to the taskbar.  On my system I have calculator, notepad, a link to the libraries folders, Opera, a LibreOffice there.  When you click to launch the program launches from that icon, and multiple windows for that program pop up if you hover over the icon, so it doesn't clutter up the task bar.

2. Embrace the start screen.  Hitting the windows key brings it up, and if you put your second tier applications (the ones you use fairly often but not regularly) in the first couple of columns in the start screen, they're easy to get to with a single key press.

For stuff that's used rarely, either break out the full application list in the start screen, or hit the windows key and just start typing the program name and it pops right up.
 
2013-12-13 09:57:10 PM  
Click on the Desktop tile in metro and it brings you to something indistinguishable from windows 7. BFD.
 
2013-12-13 10:17:27 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: houstondragon: TuteTibiImperes: doglover:

1. Nobody likes change.


That's what is pretty much boils down to, plus a lot of people thinking that Windows 8 is all metro all the time due to all of the people biatching about it.

MS halted retail sales of Windows 7 in October, and the cutoff for OEMs to ship with it is set for the end of next year, though I think MS would be smart to move that date up.

MacOS or Linux are both much larger changes than moving from 7 to 8, and most people aren't going to be willing to pay the price for Apple hardware to run OSX anyway.

Take away the option to run 7 and most people will go with 8 by default, and realize that it's pretty much the same darn thing as 7 other than the start menu vs start screen from a usability perspective.

Nope.

Look how long MS was forced to maintain XP support even after Vista launched. I remember people paying extra to have Vista removed, and have XP installed on a reformatted drive just to valid the problems. And that's completely ignoring the steaming mess that was Win ME.

At a business level, considering how little companies like to pay to retrain employees, they're not likely to touch W8, ever. I've used it, and yes it is stable and shiny, but so was W7 with about a million times less annoyance just to run a program.

Ballmer needs to get cockpunched repeatedly by their investors, until they release W7.5 or something that people will actually buy. Oh, and on the licensing thing, MS released lots of extra keys for XP too after the "final" date several times. Given how many companies are just now finishing W7 migrations, they'll be supporting the OS for a long time.

Depending on the survey MS owns between 85% and 93% of the operating system market share for personal computers. MS has already stopped shipping retail copies of Windows 7, and if they stop licensing OEM copies, the only realistic alternative is to move to Windows 8.

It's a little bit different, but not different enough that any subst ...




The small business that I work for completely skipped Vista. Never had one machine with that operating system. It's about 50/50 with XP and Windows 7 now, with one employee who has a laptop with Win 8. One guy is still using a computer with Windows 2000! The most likely scenario is that the bulk of the XP machines will be replaced with Newegg reconditioned computers that have Win 7. And they will be run until the withdrawal of support forces their hand again.
 
2013-12-13 10:18:11 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: luidprand: MrSteve007: Dafatone: Win 8.1 "integrated search" searches bing as well as the desktop for anything I put in.

As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Win 8.1 has to load a separate screen for this, and then throw a lot of internet results and ads my way.

Bah.

If only there was some sort of setting, to narrow down your search criteria . . . Or some way to use the previous search function in file explorer . . .
[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 713x722]
If only . . .

/searching for local content is still completely ad free too.

Maybe you guys can answer why the default for searching on your computer is an internet search? And why ads show up at all?

And another thing - keyboard shortcuts and other such things should function to make otherwise available tasks quicker to perform (Edit->copy/ctrl-v, for example) or ones that should only be used rarely (Apple-option-P-R is a good example). Is there an easy equivalent to searching for and running apps without using the Winkey-F keyboard shortcut (Apple's Apple-shift-4 is an example where there should be but isn't an easier way to do something)?

/Running OSX.9 with Win7 in parallels.

Launching programs with Windows 8 is easy.  The two quickest methods would be:

1. Pin commonly used applications to the taskbar.  On my system I have calculator, notepad, a link to the libraries folders, Opera, a LibreOffice there.  When you click to launch the program launches from that icon, and multiple windows for that program pop up if you hover over the icon, so it doesn't clutter up the task bar.

2. Embrace the start screen.  Hitting the windows key brings it up, and if you put your second tier applications (the ones you use fairly often but not regularly) in the first couple of columns in the start screen, they're easy t ...


I have to admit, after all the bad press and my son's griping about how it sucked on his laptop

I tried the green eggs and ham.....on my media center PC


and I lked it!

The same things that make it nice for a touchscreen work well on a large TV.  I like being able to click on 2D objects instead of trying to use drop downs and little objects.  Much easier for media consumption.


And I figured out how to access the things I need in settings and elsewhere within about 20 minutes of fiddling around.  My only beef right now, which is a small one is that I should be able to customize things more.  It's a small beef because I can actually do everything I was doing before.


Disclaimer:  I have a PC that uses Win7 and Ubuntu so I am used to switching OS frequently.
 
2013-12-13 10:33:32 PM  
Anyone figure that the slow growth also has to do with the fact that windows 8 still doesn't have a reliable crack for it?
 
2013-12-13 11:11:00 PM  
Went back to 7 from 8, not because I'm violently opposed to 8 after using it for almost a year but because the stupid activation on the windows  8 upgrade said I had to activate by phone ( too many installs) after re installing on my new SSD.  Decided it was not worth the hassle when my WIndows 7 key activated with no problems.
 
2013-12-14 12:08:22 AM  

skeevy420: it seems that people only use MS/Win because of proprietary MS apps (like Office)


Businesses. Active Directory. It is a big deal.
 
2013-12-14 01:40:28 AM  

Close2TheEdge: Windows 8.1 with Start8 on my desktop PC - Runs like a dream
Windows 8.1 native on my Surface Pro - Works great and makes a tablet actually a functional business device
Windows 8.1 native on my Dell Venue Pro 8 - Works great and is a nice tablet for "fun" stuff like Kindle, games, Netflix, etc.

Don't get what all the complaints are about.


Facepalm.......

Why aren't you running Win 8.1 native if it's such an awesome, issue-free OS?
 
2013-12-14 03:01:02 AM  

Dragonflew: [www.independent.co.uk image 620x466]

hate change, etc


I like the new dog.  He doesn't spend his whole life pining after his owner's wife and biatching about politics.  It's refreshing.
 
2013-12-14 03:10:49 AM  

SCUBA_Archer: Close2TheEdge: Windows 8.1 with Start8 on my desktop PC - Runs like a dream
Windows 8.1 native on my Surface Pro - Works great and makes a tablet actually a functional business device
Windows 8.1 native on my Dell Venue Pro 8 - Works great and is a nice tablet for "fun" stuff like Kindle, games, Netflix, etc.

Don't get what all the complaints are about.

Facepalm.......

Why aren't you running Win 8.1 native if it's such an awesome, issue-free OS?


Ahahahahahaha...ha!

Woo!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

That's hilarious!  I totally see it, too.  You run all of your OSes without any other programs installed.  You're a purist.  If the OS needs you to install a program, it clearly is insufficient.  Your new PS4 is a beautiful way to play CDs, but you ain't gonna stick any non-preinstalled games on it.  That MacBook's TextEdit is where your serious word processing needs are met.  And you absolutely love your android clock.

You totally need that on a meme!  Maybe with the douchehat.

Great work!  Keep it up!
 
2013-12-14 05:17:19 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: luidprand: MrSteve007: Dafatone: Win 8.1 "integrated search" searches bing as well as the desktop for anything I put in.

As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Win 8.1 has to load a separate screen for this, and then throw a lot of internet results and ads my way.

Bah.

If only there was some sort of setting, to narrow down your search criteria . . . Or some way to use the previous search function in file explorer . . .
[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 713x722]
If only . . .

/searching for local content is still completely ad free too.

Maybe you guys can answer why the default for searching on your computer is an internet search? And why ads show up at all?

And another thing - keyboard shortcuts and other such things should function to make otherwise available tasks quicker to perform (Edit->copy/ctrl-v, for example) or ones that should only be used rarely (Apple-option-P-R is a good example). Is there an easy equivalent to searching for and running apps without using the Winkey-F keyboard shortcut (Apple's Apple-shift-4 is an example where there should be but isn't an easier way to do something)?

/Running OSX.9 with Win7 in parallels.

Launching programs with Windows 8 is easy.  The two quickest methods would be:

1. Pin commonly used applications to the taskbar.  On my system I have calculator, notepad, a link to the libraries folders, Opera, a LibreOffice there.  When you click to launch the program launches from that icon, and multiple windows for that program pop up if you hover over the icon, so it doesn't clutter up the task bar.

2. Embrace the start screen.  Hitting the windows key brings it up, and if you put your second tier applications (the ones you use fairly often but not regularly) in the first couple of columns in the start screen, they're easy t ...


Trouble is that without special tweaking, you will often get the Metro app. Many of these, like Calculator, are totally useless on a non-touch PC.
There needs to be a one-click easy to find shutoff for ALL of Metro and it's "features", so that it and they can be turned off on devices where they are not needed or wanted.
I bought new PCs this year, and I am managing with 8.1 well enough that I have not contemplated downgrading, even though I own 7 Ultimate.
It is damn snappy, and I haven't had any driver issues. But Metro is of no use whatsoever (on my non-touch devices), and I just want it and all it's apps out of my way.
 
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