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2013-12-13 12:10:18 PM
I don't see much of a difference.  It is easier to organize and see all the stuff in the start menu in the new start screen, it just looks childish with the colors and stuff... and the Start menu got irritating on machines with many applications.  In reality, they've just traded problems: visual clutter over difficulty in finding the right menu item.

I don't use many of the Metro apps, though, because I don't have a touchscreen.  What little I've poked around in them, they seem highly functional and useful.  But I've got a desktop and the Internet so it's not as useful.

I don't hate it, but I really don't like it either.  It's Win 7 with some annoyances, but the major change to my workflow is 1) avoiding corners with the mouse when I need to get it out of the way and 2) use Win and Win + D instead of the Start Menu and the button on the right of the bottom bar.  That's it.

I much prefer the Linux window managers.  They have all the features of the others, but are more configurable, and have MULTIPLE DESKTOPS.

/how is this not a built-in feature in Windows yet?
//*nix (including OS X) has had them for a while now (some longer than others...)
 
2013-12-13 12:10:54 PM

CmndrFish: Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7 in pretty much every way imaginable. Startup is faster. Boot is faster, Win8 is more resource-efficient so EVERYTHING is faster.

The only reason it probably appeared slower to you was because the factory image was probably loaded with bloatware. If you installed a 'fresh' Win8 install, just like you did with 7, it would be faster. I guarantee it.


The other issue is familiarity.  I'm used to the interface (Server 2012/2012 R2), but my son is not.  Easier to rebuild for him so he can use it right away.
 
2013-12-13 12:11:32 PM

ipsofacto: does anyone know the process of downgrading (the 8 pro upgrade) back to OEM xp? I want to remove it from an unused comp and install on my mother's xp machine. i suppose i just reinstall xp and that frees up the 8 license, but idk. That or buy 7 (prob better idea for her) but i already have extra 8


I'm not sure about the licensing but there is no way to downgrade other than formatting.
 
2013-12-13 12:14:56 PM
Meh. I still prefer Windows 3.1.
 
2013-12-13 12:15:07 PM

taliesinwi: TuteTibiImperes:
Plus, like I mentioned, when you're working in desktop mode, its pretty much indistingsuishable from previous versions. Pin your common apps to the taskbar, and you only see Metro when you're searching or launching something you don't use often.

Which works right up until all the apps you use only come in Metro versions, or worse, HALF of them come in Metro versions (because the other half haven't switched) and you're toggling back and forth all the time.  Remember, Microsoft really wants future development to be on Metro only so it can be sold through their store - Visual Studio 11 Express will only let you generate Metro apps, for example.  (To be fair, the pay-for versions of VS will still let you generate desktop apps.  But who knows if that's a long term thing?)


I don't see that ever happening. MS isn't trying to push people away from.the desktop - they realize that for work use or power users the traditional desktop interface is the only way to go.

Now, they may be trying to encourage developers to make Metro versions of their applications as well, and that's a good idea, as tablets will increasingly become a larger chunk of computers in use and Metro great for tablets and other touch-based devices.

It's about expanding into new markets, not replacing the desktop.
 
2013-12-13 12:17:34 PM

doglover: And anyone who didn't waste their time learning how to forget people are people in a post-grad marketing course could tell Balmer WHY Windows 8 is failing.

1. Nobody likes change.
That's why cars have had roughly the same dashboard for nearly a century. The great Gatsby could drive a Lexus no problem. Meanwhile, what with all the power steering and antilock breaks and stuff, you could really have a fly by wire car with a cockpit in the rear of the vehicle using a video game controller and cameras in place of mirrors and it would still work just fine, maybe even better. But you'll never see that, outside of concept cars anyway, because laws were passed to make everything stay the same as long as possible.


I disagree with this slightly.  People are resistant to massive, mind-farking change, especially on a device that a significant portion of the population has a tenuous, if at all, grasp on.  This failed in the consumer market because it was such a massive departure from the previous 17 years, without leaving so much as a bread crumb to where things used to be like the Start menu.  I'd argue that Windows 7 was the right amount of change, you still had your anchors like Start, but the stuff was moved around on the Start menu, Control Panel, so on.  It took some getting used to to figure out where the options moved to, but at least you were able to hobble around and get close to what you were after.

2. One size fits all is really one size fits none.
You don't want to drive screws with a hammer, even if the claw fits in the groove. A leatherman can do many things and fits on your belt, but no one chooses the leatherman over the dedicated tool when they have access to the whole toolbox. Making your toolbox INTO a giant leatherman gets everything exactly wrong. Their tablet OS should NOT have been integrated into their PC OS on the user end. Under the hood? GO CRAZY with compatibility. Make every program work on tablets and the PC by using the same OS. Fine. But keep it secret with two different GUI philosophies.


This was the main farkup.  If the intention was to have a UI that worked across all user interfaces, and part of your marketing was that you could run all your programs on tablet and desktop, coming out with a ARM tablet that completely torpedoes that strategy was the mother of all bad ideas.  Telling people that the $300/$350 tablet that they came in for can't run their business apps or whatever thing they they want to do and they have to spend $800 for the x86 version really shot their marketing image in the foot and created a lot of resentment.
 
2013-12-13 12:20:11 PM

ipsofacto: does anyone know the process of downgrading (the 8 pro upgrade) back to OEM xp? I want to remove it from an unused comp and install on my mother's xp machine. i suppose i just reinstall xp and that frees up the 8 license, but idk. That or buy 7 (prob better idea for her) but i already have extra 8


Format/reinstall.  I would highly advise you to put 7 on there, XP is out of software update support and the exploits are stacking up for it.
 
2013-12-13 12:23:25 PM

soporific: Way to miss the point. It is that attitude that I was talking about, and that's where MS is making a big mistake. (It's the same one they made with the debut of the Xbone. "Don't want an always-on internet connection? Get a 360.") 'Don't like it, don't buy it' is a terrible marketing strategy, because a lot of us are taking that advice and NOT upgrading. That's why sales of Win8 are not nearly as robust as Win7.


So what you really want is better marketing?  Buy an apple, they have great commercials.

The point I was making is that if they want people to upgrade, they need to actually convince us that their product, the product they want us to spend money on, is actually good. Why should I upgrade? Why should I get Win8? Why is it better than Win7? Unfortunately, they failed to really sell us on why it's a better experience, and instead all we get from them is "You'll use tiles and you'll LIKE IT!"

Maybe it's not better for you, in which case don't buy it.  I'm not a Microsoft employee I'm just a guy on the internet and if windows 8 isn't for you I'm not going to tell you to use it.

You think I should upgrade? Tell me the benefits? Why is this change good? How will it be better than what's been working for me now?

I don't think you should upgrade, I don't know a thing about your PC, how you use it or what you want to do with it.

Because right now I'm perfectly content to not spend money on a new operating system. And I'm not the only one. If MS wants us to buy into Win8, we'll need a better reason than to be condescended to. They changed their tune for the Xbone and it's doing fine now. Perhaps they should follow the same route with Win8

So it's not about what the product does it's about how the company selling it makes you feel? Dude get an apple, they'll make you feel great about your choice.  I'm not here to white knight Microsoft but your OP was just a whine about how a giant international software company isn't catering to your specific wishes on their latest OS release.  Guess what? They don't have to, and you don't have to buy it either.
 
2013-12-13 12:23:56 PM
Seeing how every single fortune 500 company is finally converting to Win 7 I am not shocker.
 
2013-12-13 12:23:59 PM

jjwars1: Meh. I still prefer Windows 3.1.


Going from 3.1 to Windows 8 is an almost seamless transition.  Do you use Microsoft BOB overtop of 3.1 and AOL 3.0?  If so, you probably won't know what everyone is complaining about.
betanews.com
 
2013-12-13 12:26:30 PM
Windows 8 is the superior operating system by far, but I could probably cite a couple hundred similar examples where people prefer inferior products because people, in general, are idiots.
 
2013-12-13 12:26:57 PM
I haven't had much of a problem with Windows 8 besides learning curve, but then I'm not really doing much with it. Web browsing and Steam on a laptop, mostly.

One issue I am having is having side-by-side documents open; I can't figure out how to do that, and it's making me nuts.
 
2013-12-13 12:30:00 PM

Egoy3k: I'm not sure about the licensing but there is no way to downgrade other than formatting.


Comic Book Guy: Format/reinstall. I would highly advise you to put 7 on there, XP is out of software update support and the exploits are stacking up for it.


yeah, i'd do a format/reinstall. I was just curious about releasing the 8 pro upgrade license regarding that whole bios thing. As for old comp, idk play with linux on it.
 
2013-12-13 12:43:28 PM

Dufus: I just can't get it through my head to use an OS that reminds me so much of the Leapfrog learning tablet my kids had about 6 or 7 years ago.


i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-12-13 12:49:36 PM
Who ever decided to put METRO on Server 2012 needs to be shot, stabbed in the heart, set on fire, thrown into the bottom of the ocean then, fired from his job.
 
2013-12-13 12:50:24 PM

TuteTibiImperes: doglover:

1. Nobody likes change.


That's what is pretty much boils down to, plus a lot of people thinking that Windows 8 is all metro all the time due to all of the people biatching about it.

MS halted retail sales of Windows 7 in October, and the cutoff for OEMs to ship with it is set for the end of next year, though I think MS would be smart to move that date up.

MacOS or Linux are both much larger changes than moving from 7 to 8, and most people aren't going to be willing to pay the price for Apple hardware to run OSX anyway.

Take away the option to run 7 and most people will go with 8 by default, and realize that it's pretty much the same darn thing as 7 other than the start menu vs start screen from a usability perspective.


Almost everyone i know does the same thing as me which is buy every 2nd version of windows,  98, skip ME, xp, skip vista, win 7, skip 8.

It's not really about being afraid of change, it's more like they put out a good os every second version so why upgrade every time.  Unfortunately with this reasoning I've missed the great os's that  were ME, Vista and 8.....i know horrible right.
 
2013-12-13 12:51:43 PM

Pick13: Who ever decided to put METRO on Server 2012 needs to be shot, stabbed in the heart, set on fire, thrown into the bottom of the ocean then, fired from his job.


img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-12-13 12:52:39 PM

The Larch: I haven't read the thread, but are the normal posters here to tell how you can do everything you need to do in Windows 8 just by memorizing the names of all of your programs, learning a bunch of keyboard shortcuts, and then installing a bunch of extra software and spending a few hours configuring the system to not be like Windows 8 anymore?

Have those same people insulted our intelligence, and told us that we just don't want to "learn and grow" as a person because we use Windows 7?


Until now, I thought psychics were BS.
 
2013-12-13 12:57:23 PM

Egoy3k: So it's not about what the product does it's about how the company selling it makes you feel? Dude get an apple, they'll make you feel great about your choice. I'm not here to white knight Microsoft but your OP was just a whine about how a giant international software company isn't catering to your specific wishes on their latest OS release. Guess what? They don't have to, and you don't have to buy it either.


You remind me of the old Lily Tomlin sketch: "We don't care, we don't have to. We're the phone company."

Again, you miss the point. It's on Microsoft to make their new product appealing to consumers. They need to let people know why they should spend money on an upgrade, especially when people like me are perfectly happy to use Win7 or use another system.

Microsoft has forgotten that the superiority of their upgrades aren't self-evident. They have failed to effectively let us know why we should want this new system. It's just like their early, inane ads for the Surface Pro. Apparently they thought that videos of people doing complicated dance routines with the tablet was more than enough to sell it.

And if there is a reason people are resistant to change, either MS needs to get rid of what people don't like (such as the always-on internet and Kinect for the Xbone) or work on finding a better way to let people know about how awesome their product is. Again, it's on them to get people on board.

So again, the "If you don't like it, don't use it" chestnut is poor marketing, and many of us will indeed take that advice. If MS wants to sell more of its new system, it needs to get people to see why they want it. This is on them not understanding human nature and forgetting how to talk to ordinary people.
 
2013-12-13 01:04:05 PM
I wish balmer would hurry up and quit so that whomever replaces him has as more time available to fix balmer's mistakes in windows 9...
 
2013-12-13 01:13:25 PM

The Larch: I haven't read the thread, but are the normal posters here to tell how you can do everything you need to do in Windows 8 just by memorizing the names of all of your programs, learning a bunch of keyboard shortcuts, and then installing a bunch of extra software and spending a few hours configuring the system to not be like Windows 8 anymore?

Have those same people insulted our intelligence, and told us that we just don't want to "learn and grow" as a person because we use Windows 7?


Press the down arrow on the Metro/start menu and boom all of your programs/apps are right there
 
2013-12-13 01:16:39 PM
Slaves2Darkness: If I wanted farking charms I'd would have bought a Mac.

I'm sorry but nowhere on my OS X install is there a 'magic farking corner' with a pop-out menu I need to jiggle the pointer over or pops out if you put the mouse in the wrong place.   I've no idea WTF version of OS X you're talking about but that shiat isn't in OS X 10.9.0

Ok there's the notification area thing but if left to its own devices it behaves like growl did.
 
2013-12-13 01:20:26 PM

taurusowner: If I can't run full MS Office 2010, full Adobe Acrobat, full Chrome browser, and full GIMP, I don't farking want it no matter how light it is.


Neither can the Surface so they're equal in that respect.  You'll be after a Surface Pro, a very different beast.

taurusowner: Also, tell me how I can plug a USB Common Access Card reader into any version of iPad.


In the bottom of it.  How do you think people hook iPads up to their MIDI gear?
 
2013-12-13 01:46:59 PM
In this thread, people who don't understand the nature of enterprise deployments.
 
2013-12-13 01:49:48 PM

ex0du5: HeartBurnKid: ex0du5: It's easy to memorize a few catch phrases to explain your dislike

You mean like "You hate change?"

Glad you've decided that was the only thing controvertible about my post. Of course, since my post was about scientific research and real world measurements trumping blanket statements pretending objectivity, your comment is like those who disbelieve evolution saying "your theory is a religion too".


Nah, my eyes just glazed over at the sheer levels of bullshiat you were shoveling.  That was just the part that really stood out to me, as you threw out memorized catchphrase after memorized catchphrase.
 
2013-12-13 01:50:47 PM

degenerate-afro: jjwars1: Meh. I still prefer Windows 3.1.

Going from 3.1 to Windows 8 is an almost seamless transition.  Do you use Microsoft BOB overtop of 3.1 and AOL 3.0?  If so, you probably won't know what everyone is complaining about.
[betanews.com image 600x442]


Ah, yes, another shiatty MS interface that was heavily touted as the future of computing.
 
2013-12-13 01:52:34 PM

Vaneshi: taurusowner: Also, tell me how I can plug a USB Common Access Card reader into any version of iPad.

In the bottom of it


That's what she said .
 
2013-12-13 02:03:15 PM

ex0du5: HeartBurnKid: skeevy420: I'm getting a kick out of all the Windows 8 hate seeing as I'm a user who literally quit Windows (for Linux) because I thought XP really sucked compared to Win2kPro.  A week ago I installed my first copy of Windows in YEARS and instantly thought Metro was a crappier Gnome3 with tiles.....if someone like myself (anti-Microsoft, pro-Linux) can manage and deal with 8 then anyone can.

To all the "I have to install something for my system to be usable" folks -- I don't care what OS/Processor/Tablet/PC/Phone/whatever you have -- Can you honestly say that Stock ANYTHING is perfect?  First thing I do on a Linux install?  Remove the apps I don't like and add in the ones I do.  A Windows Install?  Media Player Classic, archive manager (zip, rar 7z), pdf reader, etc.  Android Phone?  All I know is I restore a crap ton of apps with Titanium when I update my rom.

At the end of the day the real question is "Do I like or dislike a tiled interface?".  If the answer is no then you'll have to install Classic Shell or something like that.  Big farking deal.

/Anyone else get a good chuckle when ya hear the "Honestly, I wanna see you be free" in the Microsoft ads?

See, that's the thing: Nobody's saying you can't use Win 8 if you try hard enough.  That's just what the fanboys (yes, MS has fanboys now, I'm as shocked as you are) tell themselves to justify their smug sense of superiority.  People are just saying the interface is badly-designed shiat that makes everything more complicated, because it is.

This is why there are people who feel they need to come in to these threads and point out Win8 is hated by those who hate change. Because those who hate change project their inability to adapt into some belief about objective measures.


All generalizations are false including this one is what comes to mind.  One of the reasons I only upgrade windows with every 2nd version is that there usually isn't enough worthwhile change version to version.
 
2013-12-13 02:05:54 PM
I was in need of a new laptop since I gave my old one to my daughter.  Being the geek I am I purchased this.
I wanted to dual boot both Win 8 and Opensuse 13.1 in case I had to use Windows for some reason.  Well, after the headache of trying that, I just decided to blow the entire thing away and use only Opensuse as the main OS, and if I need windows, I will create a Virtual Machine of Win 7.  So far Opensuse is able to use every feature of this laptop.  I mainly use KDE for my desktop which is similar to the XP and Win 7 desktops.  If I want to change to something more like a MAC then I will install that desktop.  Other than games and special apps that require Windows, that I don't use on a daily basis, Opensuse is serving all my needs.  I boot to the login screen in under 10 seconds, and everything runs at lightning speed.  Granted the hardware is awesome, but for the average non technical person I know, Linux does everything they need.  My parents use it, my daughter uses it, and I just installed it on an acquaintance's laptop that got nailed with some virus that her 6 year old unintentionally got installed.

I hope in the future that most OEM's start selling hardware that is operating system agnostic, and supportable by multiple operating systems that the user gets to choose. Be it Win 7 or 8, Linux, or the BSD's.

I know wish in one hand and crap in the other.  See which fills up first...
 
2013-12-13 02:07:14 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Take away the option to run 7 and most people will go with 8 by default, and realize that it's pretty much the same darn thing as 7 other than the start menu vs start screen from a usability perspective.



That's the problem. It's not the same and I really don't like it. And it's not because I don't like change. I'm an IT guy, I love change. It's simply that they created the wrong interface and tried to force it down to every computer in existence. It's a touch interface. If you don't have a touch interface tablet or PC, it's clunky, unintuitive, and an outright chore to use.

You use the right tool for the right job. 8 is good for mobile and tablets. 7 is best for desktops and non-touch laptops.

Note to Microsoft: You are not Apple. Everything doesn't need to look exactly the same on everything you make. It can work together if you design it right regardless of the interface even if it looks different.
 
2013-12-13 02:10:44 PM

TuteTibiImperes: doglover:

1. Nobody likes change.


That's what is pretty much boils down to, plus a lot of people thinking that Windows 8 is all metro all the time due to all of the people biatching about it.

MS halted retail sales of Windows 7 in October, and the cutoff for OEMs to ship with it is set for the end of next year, though I think MS would be smart to move that date up.

MacOS or Linux are both much larger changes than moving from 7 to 8, and most people aren't going to be willing to pay the price for Apple hardware to run OSX anyway.

Take away the option to run 7 and most people will go with 8 by default, and realize that it's pretty much the same darn thing as 7 other than the start menu vs start screen from a usability perspective.


And this is what's wrong with Microsoft. They are telling the consume what they want instead of listening to them
 
2013-12-13 02:13:36 PM
Confession: I have a non-touch screen laptop and it runs Windows 8.1. And I like it.

I get why people wouldn't like it and I also agree it would run better on just touch tablets. I considered going back to Win 7 when I first got my laptop because it's more XP-like, but I organized everything on Win 8 so I never have to see Metro (took me about twenty minutes and teh Googles), and it works.

/shrugs
//Some people like vanilla, others pistachio, and some people are weird and like brussels sprouts instead
///Hooray for brussels sprouts!
 
2013-12-13 02:20:25 PM

degenerate-afro: jjwars1: Meh. I still prefer Windows 3.1.

Going from 3.1 to Windows 8 is an almost seamless transition.  Do you use Microsoft BOB overtop of 3.1 and AOL 3.0?  If so, you probably won't know what everyone is complaining about.
[betanews.com image 600x442]


toastytech.com
 
2013-12-13 02:22:16 PM
windoze is for idiots.  so are IDEs and wizzids
 
2013-12-13 02:33:22 PM

Warlordtrooper: And this is what's wrong with Microsoft. They are telling the consume what they want instead of listening to them


You couldn't be anymore wrong. Microsoft spends nearly 10 *B*illion a year on research and development. Quite a lot of this includes spending time with regular users in research groups. As someone who lives fairly close to Redmond, I've done a number of usability studies over the past decade (of which I'm still under NDA) as a regular joe consumer. They're pretty frigg'n cool - and very in-depth.

Some are just 2-3 hours, testing user reflexes/reactions or prototype product testing, others are multiple day, 20+ hour studies. One even would have had a researcher shadow me at my work for a day. It's actually a pretty fun program to volunteer for.
 
2013-12-13 02:59:45 PM
Your preferred OS is WRONG!
 
2013-12-13 03:20:49 PM

degenerate-afro: Do you use Microsoft BOB overtop of 3.1 and AOL 3.0?


Doesn't everyone? If you don't, YOU HATE CHANGE
 
2013-12-13 03:22:26 PM
Not drinking this?

img.timeinc.net
YOU HATE CHANGE.
 
2013-12-13 03:23:31 PM
Win 8.1 "integrated search" searches bing as well as the desktop for anything I put in.

As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Win 8.1 has to load a separate screen for this, and then throw a lot of internet results and ads my way.

Bah.
 
2013-12-13 03:36:38 PM

Unobtanium: Jim_Callahan: Windows 8 is fine.

It's just METRO that is the dumbest, most counter-intuitive UI in computing history.  Punch cards are easier to use and get in your way less stupidly.

Yeah, pretty much how I feel about Metro. I upgraded my laptop to Windows 8.1 and the attempt to FORCE me to use the "cloud" was, well, annoying.

I admit I haven't looked around much, because I installed Classic Shell, but is there a fairly simple way to arrange the "All Apps" Metro screen to my liking? I might actually be able to get along with Metro if I could drag, drop, and rename groups on the All Apps screen.

I would just have to get used to scrolling up and down to move sideways. Grrrrr.

/You could rearrange punch cards if the compiler didn't like the order of your instruction set for some reason (had that experience in my first FORTRAN class, and even the help desk squad and the professor all said, "huh.")
//Get off my chad-covered lawn



There are two parts to the start screen.
- When you first open it, you see bunch of big squares.  These are the equivalent of the applications that were pinned to your start menu in windows 7.  You should unpin all the crap that they have there and only pin things you use.  You can move them around resize them and organize them into whatever named groups you want.
- All Apps is a list of all the Apps you have installed, plus the equivalent of the old start menu.  It's displayed as icons instead of in a list, and all the folders are expanded, but it's still the programs menu from the old start menu.  You shouldn't really have to customize that screen as you should probably pin anything you use regularly.  You can't really do much with the left side of it that just lists al the metro apps you have installed (but you don't want those anyway I'm assuming - feel free to right click on them and uninstall them entirely).  However, if you really want to rearrange things on the right, then move them around in your start menu folder.    It's still in "%ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs" for all users and "%APPDATA%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs" for your user account just like 7.
 
2013-12-13 03:38:40 PM
and windows Linux is kicking ass in everthing except the Desktop market in the good ole' USA.   Billy Gates has the oem's locked up on the Desktop.


but that too shall pass.


oh, did i mention that the Linux based Android OS has the most installs in the world of smartphones?   Apples isn't even close.


how do you like them apples, Apple??
 
2013-12-13 03:39:05 PM

Dafatone: Win 8.1 "integrated search" searches bing as well as the desktop for anything I put in.

As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Win 8.1 has to load a separate screen for this, and then throw a lot of internet results and ads my way.

Bah.



Charms > Settings > Change PC Settings > Search and apps > Search > Set "Use Bing to search online" to Off
 
2013-12-13 03:44:37 PM

seanpg71: Dafatone: Win 8.1 "integrated search" searches bing as well as the desktop for anything I put in.

As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Win 8.1 has to load a separate screen for this, and then throw a lot of internet results and ads my way.

Bah.


Charms > Settings > Change PC Settings > Search and apps > Search > Set "Use Bing to search online" to Off


Most of my frustration with Win 8 boils down to being too lazy to really learn the OS the way I've learned past Windows.  Thanks.

/I'd still prefer the quicker/smoother/less bulky-feeling search of Win 7.  But that's a good start.
 
2013-12-13 03:44:46 PM

The_Time_Master: Linux



yea, i struggle ever day with Linux Mint.  all those viruses, adware, malware, and slowing down system over time.  i'm having to degrag my ext4 partition (which doesn't even require defrag because it doesnt' get fragmented).  i have to deal with apps that fight each over for OS attention. the security is horrendous.  my hard  drive is always thrashing, which it never did in windows.  i have to register my Linux Mint, otherwise it just won't boot.  the problems go on and on.  too many to list here.

i sure miss my windows.  ):
 
2013-12-13 03:45:37 PM
Dafatone: Win 8.1 "integrated search" searches bing as well as the desktop for anything I put in.

As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Win 8.1 has to load a separate screen for this, and then throw a lot of internet results and ads my way.

Bah.


grep

learn it.  know it.  live it.
 
2013-12-13 03:47:12 PM
Chang eis fine as long as theres some benefit to it. Okay, so 8 has this shiny new UI thats totally worthless to anyone with a desktop. Not really a reason to switch.

But what about, "OMG, 8 is so much better at  _________ ."?

Change is fine. But unless something is better, faster, smarter, or just more efficient, I don't feel the need to burn an afternoon installing and learning the damn thing.
 
2013-12-13 03:47:50 PM

taurusowner: doglover: bsharitt: I don't know, I think Windows 7 would be pretty crappy on my tablet. I'll stick with Windows 8.

Why would you run a windows tablet when android and IOS exist?

Are you farking kidding me? How about full Microsoft Office on a tablet? How about not searching for apps to run various obscure files extensions, or even common ones. Regular old VLC on a tablet is awesome. How about full support for all USB devices? I even run a CAC reader off my tablet to log onto military sites. Good luck doing that on Android. Full Windows Homegroup support for ease of transferring files like big movies and such. Full Chrome on a tablet, not the gimped version available on Android.

The list goes on. Why WOULDN'T you want all the benefits of a true PC computer in tablet form? I owned a Transformer running android before my Vivotab, and it was always a pain wanting to do something and thinking "I wish I had my laptop". Can't run iTunes. Can't run full Office. Can't play a movie because the media player doesn't support it. Can't log onto AKO or iPerms for Army stuff. Etc. Having full Windows in a tablet is amazing.


It's a matter of taste, but for almost all the things you listed, I'd much rather have a thin, light Ultrabook because I find using desktop apps on a tablet to be really clunky because the menus aren't designed for a touch UI. If I'm working with Office, for example, a keyboard and mouse are much faster for my needs. I rarely just find myself walking around or laying on the couch and needing to edit a spreadsheet or a Word doc. Instead of buying a really expensive tablet like the Surface Pro, I'd prefer to get a nice Lenovo laptop with a bigger screen and an awesome keyboard for my work, then use a small tablet like a Nexus 7 for things like reading books and watching movies.

It is a personal preference however. There's a lot of us who don't want a hybrid laptop/tablet and would have preferred they left a legacy Start Menu in place so we could benefit from all the under the hood improvements without being annoyed by little things like the Charms popping out every time we move the mouse to close to one of the right screen corners, for example.

As I have said many times, the Surface Pro is like an El Camino. For some people it is a godsend to have everything in one vehicle but for the vast majority of drivers they are better served by a car or a full pickup truck. Trying to be one thing to all customers has never been a great idea.
 
2013-12-13 03:48:00 PM

Clever Neologism: Linux



now be careful with Linux.  it allows you to make choices and gives you alot of Freedom.  windows wants to protect you so that is why its done their way or the highway.  all with good intentions, of course.  i feel protected by my windows.  in fact, sometimes i call it 'mommy'
 
2013-12-13 03:48:29 PM

Dafatone: As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.


Do yourself a favor and create a shortcut on the Desktop to explorer.exe.

Right click on the desktop and:

New > Shortcut

Location of the item is explorer.exe, then give it a meaningful name. When you open it, you'll get an Explorer shell and you can use the search bar to do a search in the Windows 7 style that actually produces a productive list.

Like most things in Windows 8, you can't make it as good as it was before Microsoft decided to fark it sideways for no apparent reason, but you can make it about 90% as good as it was at least.
 
2013-12-13 03:49:46 PM

Dafatone: seanpg71: Dafatone: Win 8.1 "integrated search" searches bing as well as the desktop for anything I put in.

As a writer who has 9000 text files scattered all over the place, I really liked being able to type three words into Win 7's search and come up with all the files containing them, all without leaving the desktop or interrupting anything.

Win 8.1 has to load a separate screen for this, and then throw a lot of internet results and ads my way.

Bah.


Charms > Settings > Change PC Settings > Search and apps > Search > Set "Use Bing to search online" to Off

Most of my frustration with Win 8 boils down to being too lazy to really learn the OS the way I've learned past Windows.  Thanks.

/I'd still prefer the quicker/smoother/less bulky-feeling search of Win 7.  But that's a good start.



It would help if they didn't put "Change PC Settings" down on the bottom by the power button where clearly no one is looking.
 
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