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2013-12-13 10:26:51 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Let's see.. virtually no business regulations, no environmental regulations.. it's a Republican and Libertarian paradise!


They have plenty of regulations.
 
2013-12-13 10:32:32 AM  

phenn: They have plenty of regulations.


And as we all know from OUR extensive offering of bureaucratic regulatory committees, ALL regulations are ALWAYS strictly followed to the letter and the profits that exceed the fines for ignoring them assure that those fines are NEVER just viewed as a business expense by disingenuous men.
 
2013-12-13 10:38:58 AM  
In Richard Bachman's story "The Running Man", the elite wore air filtration systems in their noses.

www.nickchinlund.com

And Nick Chinlund's character in "Ultraviolet" wears one as well.
 
2013-12-13 10:50:01 AM  

bunner: Tatterdemalian: /chain a dog down and beat him for being too lazy to break the chains and do something, and eventually the dog will just learn to never try to do anything no matter how much you beat him, even after the chains are removed

That, or one day, as it lies whimpering  and awaiting today's beating, it will suddenly tear your f*cking arm off and sh*t whatever surface area of your body it can maul and digest into a nearby patch of grass.  Go dog.


And the fact that I wasn't the one beating the dog won't matter at all, except to provide extra lulz to the people who did chain and beat the dog.

/isn't it great how perfect this metaphor is turning out?
//after all, you yourself will pitch a fit at anyone who suggests that kids might actually be able to perform those sub-minimum wage jobs, if only they were willing to accept sub-minimum wages
 
2013-12-13 11:02:22 AM  

Tatterdemalian: They're not the ones destroying our ability to manufacture anything. We are, by convincing ourselves that it's a moral imperative to eliminate all entry-level jobs so our graduating students are forced to pretend they're experts in everything, without having any actual competence at all, while simultaneously condemning them for being too lazy to do the jobs we've made it illegal for them to do.


You ever tried to live on minimum wage in the United States? That's why you talking about businesses being allowed to pay people below minimum wage because of illegals, bootstraps and reasons is so funny.
 
2013-12-13 11:04:00 AM  

phenn: Princess Ryans Knickers: Let's see.. virtually no business regulations, no environmental regulations.. it's a Republican and Libertarian paradise!

They have plenty of regulations.


that's simply not true, they just this year in 2013 adopted some nationwide regulations on the factories that account for the majority of the pollution in the country. Up till then it was all local regulations so if a local government needed to allow pollution for the sake of the economy they just allowed it.
 
2013-12-13 11:09:48 AM  

Tatterdemalian: after all, you yourself will pitch a fit at anyone who suggests that kids might actually be able to perform those sub-minimum wage jobs, if only they were willing to accept sub-minimum wages


Would I really?  Fascinating assumption.  Did you really think I didn't mean the colloquial "you"?  Do you just need as many people to assume the worst of as possible?
 
2013-12-13 11:10:06 AM  

Flash_NYC: They are thinking about building a complete Chinese city in upstate New York.


Oh, FFS. Do you know what that sounds like? "OOGA-BOOGA THE YELLOW PERIL!" That's what that sounds like.
 
2013-12-13 11:12:54 AM  

bunner: Onkel Buck: We should send them our hippies to brow beat them for awhile

Yeah!  If it weren't for those idiot hippies, WE'D have lots of industry now.  And chewable air.  'Cause you can't have one without the other, 'cause job creators!  ooooh, you.. hippies!


Relax pud, go get yourself some new Birkenstocks, you'll feel better.
 
2013-12-13 11:13:01 AM  
Let me elucidate.  Greed sucks.  Ruining entire environments and economies to buy gold plated turnip dishes sucks.  Ill using entire generations / nations / social strata to get pig's ass fat, sucks.  Turning on the bastards who engage is these practices is admirable and, historically, inevitable.  I hope this clears up my position.
 
2013-12-13 11:13:55 AM  

Onkel Buck: Relax pud, go get yourself some new Birkenstocks, you'll feel better.


Bow me, amateur projectionist boy.   :  ) Your turn.  *snort*
 
2013-12-13 11:14:29 AM  

theorellior: Tatterdemalian: They're not the ones destroying our ability to manufacture anything. We are, by convincing ourselves that it's a moral imperative to eliminate all entry-level jobs so our graduating students are forced to pretend they're experts in everything, without having any actual competence at all, while simultaneously condemning them for being too lazy to do the jobs we've made it illegal for them to do.

You ever tried to live on minimum wage in the United States? That's why you talking about businesses being allowed to pay people below minimum wage because of illegals, bootstraps and reasons is so funny.


I bought my first 386 working a minimum wage job at a cola factory. Of course, you won't think that matters, because that was then and this is now, but you'd use the same excuse if I was at a minimum wage job today ("That was yesterday! THIS IS TODAY!") because you just need to believe you're right, no matter how wrong you are.

/the most hilarious was that flash game that pretended to show "what it's really like to survive on minimum wage"
//apparently surviving on minimum wage requires that you run red lights 30 times a day, just to make sure the traffic fines prevent you from paying all your bills
 
2013-12-13 11:14:37 AM  
P.S:  I'm more of an Italian single needle, no vent, chalk stripe and Oxfords guy.
 
2013-12-13 11:20:22 AM  

bunner: Let me elucidate.  Greed sucks.  Ruining entire environments and economies to buy gold plated turnip dishes sucks.  Ill using entire generations / nations / social strata to get pig's ass fat, sucks.  Turning on the bastards who engage is these practices is admirable and, historically, inevitable.  I hope this clears up my position.


Historically, those bastards responsible never actually get turned on, only the figureheads and scapegoats get a date with the guillotine before the mob starts eating itself.

/just ask Robespierre
//or Lenin
///funny how the only revolution that didn't destroy itself was also the one that preserved the existing social order, including slavery
 
2013-12-13 11:24:38 AM  

Tatterdemalian: ///funny how the only revolution that didn't destroy itself was also the one that preserved the existing social order, including slavery


It is, however, comfortably seated, napkins lapped and knives and forks in hand and admiring the platters full of it's own alleged ideals being tabled by the help. Then again, this was more of a business plan than a revolution.
 
2013-12-13 11:29:21 AM  

bunner: Onkel Buck: Relax pud, go get yourself some new Birkenstocks, you'll feel better.

Bow me, amateur projectionist boy.   :  )  Your turn.  *snort*


Bow? although I don't understand why you want a bow, but you treehuggers can be a little odd at times.Anyway here ya go!
i827.photobucket.com
i979.photobucket.com
i641.photobucket.com
be careful with the last one it shoots pointy hurty things
 
2013-12-13 11:31:18 AM  

Onkel Buck: but you treehuggers


Wow, you got it bad, don'thca?   (And no, I can't type.) Adios, blowhardski.  :  )
 
2013-12-13 11:36:43 AM  

bunner: Onkel Buck: but you treehuggers

Wow, you got it bad, don'thca?   (And no, I can't type.) Adios, blowhardski.  :  )


Tschüss  pud.
 
2013-12-13 11:39:26 AM  
The problem is that, when people are confronted by their own mortality, they seem to overwhelmingly engage in grabbing everything they can strip off the walls and stuffing it up their own ass instead of trying to shape something that will better the lives of those who shall follow them.  Is that working for you?  It's not working for me.  Nope, can't say that it is.  Until we rise above that, the rest is a piss up a rope and a laundry list of justifications for continuing the behaviors and methods that have, so far, gotten us precisely - here.
 
2013-12-13 11:43:00 AM  

Headso: phenn: Princess Ryans Knickers: Let's see.. virtually no business regulations, no environmental regulations.. it's a Republican and Libertarian paradise!

They have plenty of regulations.

that's simply not true, they just this year in 2013 adopted some nationwide regulations on the factories that account for the majority of the pollution in the country. Up till then it was all local regulations so if a local government needed to allow pollution for the sake of the economy they just allowed it.


All I can tell you is what I know from a former co-worker in Shanghai.

My previous company developed and built spectrometers for a number of industries. Our offices in China sold them, largely, to the government and they were used in applications that monitored car emissions, manufacturing emissions, waste water quality, waste materials and so on.

They absolutely were used to enforce government regulations on manufacturers and this goes back to before I started there in 2007.

Now, whether or not those regulations are now obsolete, I probably couldn't address because I no longer work for the company. But, what I said was that China does, indeed, have plenty of regulations. That is true.

How vigorously they enforce them is also not something I could speak to. I just know they exist.
 
2013-12-13 11:48:16 AM  

bunner: I wonder where the corporate whores who are strip mining he earth and shoving all the gold up their asses are going to move to next once China starts enacting pollution laws, too.


Africa and the Artic circle man! Problem is one is a dangerous hellhole the other too damn cold but if the payoff is good the venture is worth it.
 
2013-12-13 11:51:47 AM  
Tatterdemalian:
You ever tried to live on minimum wage in the United States? That's why you talking about businesses being allowed to pay people below minimum wage because of illegals, bootstraps and reasons is so funny.

I bought my first 386 working a minimum wage job at a cola factory. Of course, you won't think that matters, because that was then and this is now, but you'd use the same excuse if I was at a minimum wage job today ("That was yesterday! THIS IS TODAY!") because you just need to believe you're right, no matter how wrong you are.

/the most hilarious was that flash game that pretended to show "what it's really like to survive on minimum wage"
//apparently surviving on minimum wage requires that you run red lights 30 times a day, just to make sure the traffic fines prevent you from paying all your bills


I'm still rather unclear on how you're turning a story about Chinese pollution into a metaphor about beating animals for the argument that Americans get paid too much.
 
2013-12-13 11:58:43 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: bunner: I wonder where the corporate whores who are strip mining he earth and shoving all the gold up their asses are going to move to next once China starts enacting pollution laws, too.

Africa and the Artic circle man! Problem is one is a dangerous hellhole the other too damn cold but if the payoff is good the venture is worth it.


On the upside, Africa is pretty much already screwed.  Maybe a functioning economy will distract them from the mayhem and conniving for a bit.  It's a ponderous Monopoly board we've sketched over this little, blue world.
 
2013-12-13 12:00:09 PM  

phenn: Now, whether or not those regulations are now obsolete, I probably couldn't address because I no longer work for the company. But, what I said was that China does, indeed, have plenty of regulations. That is true.


yes it is true that had a hodgepodge of local regulations, they are now moving towards a more national set of regulations. Because as you can see environmental regulations set at the local level don't work, which is why you see the biggest polluters in America lobbying for that style here.
 
2013-12-13 12:11:40 PM  

bunner: Flash_NYC: China does have a plan.  They are thinking about building a complete Chinese city in upstate New York.

You don't think everybody got all gung ho about making pristine our air, water and land for no ROI, do you?  We're gonna be where the well to do Chinese go to retire, some day.  Built in servile service economy, non chewable air and lots of real estate that private citizens don't own, anymore.  Make sure your kid gets into a good school so they can, someday, aspire to group hospitality concierge in some Chinese luxury villa.  In PA.  *snort*


Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

http://m.nbcnews.com/business/chinese -buying-california-housing-2D116 5 0640

/no clicky on mobile
 
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2013-12-13 12:15:28 PM  
yay unfettered corporatism.  This is what all the lobbyists want!
 
2013-12-13 12:18:31 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.


Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.
 
2013-12-13 12:20:27 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: bunner: Flash_NYC: China does have a plan.  They are thinking about building a complete Chinese city in upstate New York.

You don't think everybody got all gung ho about making pristine our air, water and land for no ROI, do you?  We're gonna be where the well to do Chinese go to retire, some day.  Built in servile service economy, non chewable air and lots of real estate that private citizens don't own, anymore.  Make sure your kid gets into a good school so they can, someday, aspire to group hospitality concierge in some Chinese luxury villa.  In PA.  *snort*

Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

http://m.nbcnews.com/business/chinese -buying-california-housing-2D116 5 0640

/no clicky on mobile


In the 80s, it was all the newly rich Japanese people buying up all of America.

We're still here.
 
2013-12-13 01:09:18 PM  

bunner: Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.


Wut? I linked NBC not Infowars. Did I miss something?
 
2013-12-13 01:26:29 PM  
bunner:   Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.



Actually, my Hong Kong friends say the same thing about Mainlanders moving to Southern California, and if you live in LA/OC, it's pretty obvious they're moving to certain areas and buying a bit of property and/or sending their kids to school here.  I think the obvious reason is they want US citizenship - if not for their them, then for the next generation.

The source of the money is a little more dubious.  While I'm sure most are funded by their parents working hard.  Some of the money is corruption stuff... officials who stole govt funds or got their money from bribes, and then there is the business tycoons who made a bundle by lllegal means.

The racist thing is thinking they are somehow part of China's grand back door strategy to screwing the US.... that's nonsense.  These guys are hedging their bet that China's economy hits the rails, the Party gets kicked out of power or simply like living in America more.
 
2013-12-13 01:50:23 PM  

SirEattonHogg: bunner:   Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.


Actually, my Hong Kong friends say the same thing about Mainlanders moving to Southern California, and if you live in LA/OC, it's pretty obvious they're moving to certain areas and buying a bit of property and/or sending their kids to school here.  I think the obvious reason is they want US citizenship - if not for their them, then for the next generation.

The source of the money is a little more dubious.  While I'm sure most are funded by their parents working hard.  Some of the money is corruption stuff... officials who stole govt funds or got their money from bribes, and then there is the business tycoons who made a bundle by lllegal means.

The racist thing is thinking they are somehow part of China's grand back door strategy to screwing the US.... that's nonsense.  These guys are hedging their bet that China's economy hits the rails, the Party gets kicked out of power or simply like living in America more.


Yep. This isn't some insidious Chinese plan to screw America. This is the rich laying the groundwork to abandon ship if necessary. They also get the benefit of hiding their wealth in a country that uses the USD.
 
2013-12-13 01:59:13 PM  
People will put up with all sorts of things for short-term economic security. Look up the Minamata Bay incident, or the Cuyahoga River catching fire, or gas fracking in the US, or London's "Great Smog."

Usually this stuff is corrected by a wealthy and politically active middle class that decides they're not going to breathe their own shiat any more, or at least that's how it came to the US in the 60's and 70's. China is coming to that but not there yet.

Minamata was particularly instructive... People were seeing all sorts of awful effects, which I will not link to as they are graphic, you can google it. Every day in their homes.

But...

A) The breadwinners were making their money there.
B) It was how they had always done things.
C) It was a source of local pride that the company and therefore the town was successful.

The end result was a bunch of small payouts to families and a lot of people crippled for life.

We really do sell ourselves cheap.
 
2013-12-13 02:43:16 PM  
ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2013-12-13 03:21:33 PM  

bunner: Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.


Up here in Vancouver, wealthy Chinese foreign investment is (partly) seen as [the] reason for skyhigh real-estate prices, to the point where something like this:
images.realtor.ca


is currently listed for $1,288,000
 
2013-12-13 03:31:08 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: bunner: Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.

Wut? I linked NBC not Infowars. Did I miss something?


No, I mean I get fitted for tinfoil hats by people who think that simple business motives like this are somehow conspiritorial.
 
2013-12-13 06:26:25 PM  

Nexzus: bunner: Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.

Up here in Vancouver, wealthy Chinese foreign investment is (partly) seen as [the] reason for skyhigh real-estate prices, to the point where something like this:
[images.realtor.ca image 512x400]


is currently listed for $1,288,000


Wow.  That lot had better be a half-mile deep.
 
2013-12-13 09:03:22 PM  

KierzanDax: In Richard Bachman's story "The Running Man", the elite wore air filtration systems in their noses.

[www.nickchinlund.com image 746x443]

And Nick Chinlund's character in "Ultraviolet" wears one as well.


Don't forget the hitlermask stillsuits in Dune.
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-13 10:09:43 PM  

bunner: I wonder where the corporate whores who are strip mining he earth and shoving all the gold up their asses are going to move to next once China starts enacting pollution laws, too.


How well I remember the plutocrats storming into China, guns blazing, screaming, "You will make our cheap shiat or die!!"  The Chinese leaders, whimpering for mercy, were forced to begin producing the aforementioned shiat.  Then the greedy capitalist, screamed, "Pollute everything, we demand it!!!", and the helpless Chinese leaders, forced to their knees, could only comply.  The once proud Mao, shouting, "Hep Me!! Hep Me!!  Oh, lawdy, dey gonna kill me if you don't do what dey say!!", as the laughing gods of greed held a pistol to his head.
 
2013-12-13 10:45:21 PM  

zimbomba63: How well I remember the plutocrats storming into China, guns blazing, screaming, "You will make our cheap shiat or die!!"  The Chinese leaders, whimpering for mercy, were forced to begin producing the aforementioned shiat.  Then the greedy capitalist, screamed, "Pollute everything, we demand it!!!", and the helpless Chinese leaders, forced to their knees, could only comply.  The once proud Mao, shouting, "Hep Me!! Hep Me!!  Oh, lawdy, dey gonna kill me if you don't do what dey say!!", as the laughing gods of greed held a pistol to his head.


I never saw that issue of Newsweek.  Parody of intent doesn't mitigate results.  Next apologist, please.  3/10 well written and 1970's style NatLampCo level writing.
 
2013-12-14 11:31:27 AM  
Would someone search Google images -- "butts cigarette shove" for me?

I'm afraid to do it.
 
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