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2013-12-13 08:21:37 AM  
Sounds like selling air filtration systems to rich Chinese would be a great business.
 
2013-12-13 08:21:47 AM  
Clean air is socialism, not communism.
 
2013-12-13 08:22:38 AM  
The state media reported that doctors also believe this technique will definitely obstruct air entering the nasal cavity, and will affect normal breathing.

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2013-12-13 08:34:45 AM  
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2013-12-13 08:36:33 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: The state media reported that doctors also believe this technique will definitely obstruct air entering the nasal cavity, and will affect normal breathing.

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It's chinese science, man.  If you'd ever read one of their academic publications you'd know why they need to point out that blocking your airway might interfere with breathing.
 
2013-12-13 08:37:50 AM  

Jim_Callahan: It's chinese science, man.  If you'd ever read one of their academic publications you'd know why they need to point out that blocking your airway might interfere with breathing.


My buddy is an engineer and he got picked to go on a trip to China and work with Chinese engineers. You have a very valid point.
 
2013-12-13 08:40:01 AM  

kpaxoid: Clean air is socialism, not communism.


Socialism is intermediate stage between capitalism and communism (in China and Russia - between communism and capitalism), where people learn how to live without air or food
 
2013-12-13 08:42:21 AM  
Of course, Chinese cigarette filters are made of short-fiber asbestos held together with a paste of ground-up dissidents.
 
2013-12-13 08:45:59 AM  
But my iPhone is cheap, so I don't care
 
2013-12-13 08:46:00 AM  
But, according to Tom Friedman of the NYT, at least China can compete economically in the world economy!  This is because, according to Friedman, their citizens are "qualified" and U.S.A. workers are not.  Friedman's solution is to spend billions on education so our workers in the cleanest factories in the world can  compete against a country where the workers are paid $3/hour, work 16 hours a day, live in dorms where they work and work in factories where OSHA, and EPA regulations don't exist.   This is what we are supposedly "competing" against.

The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.
 
2013-12-13 08:47:11 AM  
How bad is pollution in China?

(How bad is it?)

It's so bad, the Chinese think of McDonalds and KFC as "health food" because it's probably not full of melamine!
 
2013-12-13 08:50:29 AM  

Flash_NYC: But, according to Tom Friedman of the NYT, at least China can compete economically in the world economy!  This is because, according to Friedman, their citizens are "qualified" and U.S.A. workers are not.  Friedman's solution is to spend billions on education so our workers in the cleanest factories in the world can  compete against a country where the workers are paid $3/hour, work 16 hours a day, live in dorms where they work and work in factories where OSHA, and EPA regulations don't exist.   This is what we are supposedly "competing" against.

The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.


And you are a product of that educaton system? Game over man.
 
2013-12-13 08:53:31 AM  

GoldDude: Of course, Chinese cigarette filters are made of short-fiber asbestos held together with a paste of ground-up dissidents.


Soylent Slim Light 100's, now with 25% less dissidents than the leading brand.
 
2013-12-13 08:55:09 AM  
I wonder where the corporate whores who are strip mining he earth and shoving all the gold up their asses are going to move to next once China starts enacting pollution laws, too.
 
2013-12-13 08:59:08 AM  

Flash_NYC: But, according to Tom Friedman of the NYT, at least China can compete economically in the world economy!  This is because, according to Friedman, their citizens are "qualified" and U.S.A. workers are not.  Friedman's solution is to spend billions on education so our workers in the cleanest factories in the world can  compete against a country where the workers are paid $3/hour, work 16 hours a day, live in dorms where they work and work in factories where OSHA, and EPA regulations don't exist.   This is what we are supposedly "competing" against.

The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.


They're not the ones destroying our ability to manufacture anything. We are, by convincing ourselves that it's a moral imperative to eliminate all entry-level jobs so our graduating students are forced to pretend they're experts in everything, without having any actual competence at all, while simultaneously condemning them for being too lazy to do the jobs we've made it illegal for them to do.

/chain a dog down and beat him for being too lazy to break the chains and do something, and eventually the dog will just learn to never try to do anything no matter how much you beat him, even after the chains are removed
//this works on humans too, and we've been doing it to our kids ever since the minimum wage was instituted and illegal immigrants used to fill jobs that can't be paid the minimum wage
 
2013-12-13 09:01:19 AM  

LewDux: kpaxoid: Clean air is socialism, not communism.

Socialism is intermediate stage between capitalism and communism (in China and Russia - between communism and capitalism), where people learn how to live without air or food


Yeah. Marx got that wrong. Socialism is the sweet spot between capitalism and communism. A place where massive profits are allowed to accumulate to an individual while at the same time we acknowledge basic human dignity and provide a comfortable life for those who don't, won't, or can't provide for themselves.

What the pure capitalists and pure communists don't understand is that those two systems will destroy themselves as they both produce massive amounts of inequality. While socialism will curb inequality while at the same time allow for merit to achieve high status.
 
2013-12-13 09:07:39 AM  

Tatterdemalian: /chain a dog down and beat him for being too lazy to break the chains and do something, and eventually the dog will just learn to never try to do anything no matter how much you beat him, even after the chains are removed


That, or one day, as it lies whimpering  and awaiting today's beating, it will suddenly tear your f*cking arm off and sh*t whatever surface area of your body it can maul and digest into a nearby patch of grass.  Go dog.
 
2013-12-13 09:09:40 AM  

Flash_NYC: The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.


They aren't trying to "win" as a collective. The pollution is a result of millions and millions of individual choices made by business people working within the laws and level of enforcement of the land.
 
2013-12-13 09:09:53 AM  
Newport Menthols probably offer the best filtration.
 
2013-12-13 09:10:31 AM  
Sorry for the ignorant question, but why is the air so polluted there?
 
2013-12-13 09:13:32 AM  
Flash_NYC:   But, according to Tom Friedman of the NYT, . . .

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2013-12-13 09:14:05 AM  

Endive Wombat: Sorry for the ignorant question, but why is the air so polluted there?


You know all those commooniss, libby, libtard organizations like the EPA and stuff, trying to stifle our job creators with silly pollution laws?  Yeah, they ain't got those.
 
2013-12-13 09:14:22 AM  

bunner: Tatterdemalian: /chain a dog down and beat him for being too lazy to break the chains and do something, and eventually the dog will just learn to never try to do anything no matter how much you beat him, even after the chains are removed

That, or one day, as it lies whimpering  and awaiting today's beating, it will suddenly tear your f*cking arm off and sh*t whatever surface area of your body it can maul and digest into a nearby patch of grass.  Go dog.


Uh oh, we got PETA in the fray as well!
 
2013-12-13 09:15:09 AM  

Headso: Flash_NYC: The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.

They aren't trying to "win" as a collective. The pollution is a result of millions and millions of individual choices made by business people working within the laws and level of enforcement of the land.


I'm glad someone else said it.
 
2013-12-13 09:17:01 AM  

DocPeabody: Uh oh, we got PETA in the fray as well!


If I had a dollar for every assumption projected upon me from the faction of this forum that comes here to wax witty, sans reading comprehension, I could buy Switzerland.   :  )  In all fairness, it's my fault.  I keep expecting people to be able to follow an analogy.
 
2013-12-13 09:17:55 AM  
Sounds like a good idea to me. I would tear filters off of new cigarettes, stick them in my nose, and smoke the cigs cowboy style.
 
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2013-12-13 09:18:57 AM  

Arkanaut: How bad is pollution in China?

(How bad is it?)

It's so bad, the Chinese think of McDonalds and KFC as "health food" because it's probably not full of melamine!


Heeey yooooo....
/golf swing
 
2013-12-13 09:29:04 AM  

Arkanaut: How bad is pollution in China?

(How bad is it?)

It's so bad, the Chinese think of McDonalds and KFC as "health food" because it's probably not full of melamine!


is that why they look jaundice?

**ducks and runs away**
 
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2013-12-13 09:30:37 AM  
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They're doing it wrong
 
2013-12-13 09:31:49 AM  

Endive Wombat: Sorry for the ignorant question, but why is the air so polluted there?


That's a damn good question.

Perhaps it is some odd combination of manufacturing, congestion and how it is situated (winds, etc.). I find it puzzling, though, because the Chinese seem more conscious of pollution than most. Using roadside spectroscopy systems to monitor pollution from cars and so on.

I have a friend/former co-worker who lives in Shanghai and she'll be the first to tell you that she fears for the health of her toddler over the long term.

I honestly don't get it.
 
2013-12-13 09:36:32 AM  

bunner: DocPeabody: Uh oh, we got PETA in the fray as well!

If I had a dollar for every assumption projected upon me from the faction of this forum that comes here to wax witty, sans reading comprehension, I could buy Switzerland.   :  )  In all fairness, it's my fault.  I keep expecting people to be able to follow an analogy.


I thought he was just making a joke. Don't be so defensive over nothing.
 
2013-12-13 09:38:02 AM  

phenn: Endive Wombat: Sorry for the ignorant question, but why is the air so polluted there?

That's a damn good question.

Perhaps it is some odd combination of manufacturing, congestion and how it is situated (winds, etc.). I find it puzzling, though, because the Chinese seem more conscious of pollution than most. Using roadside spectroscopy systems to monitor pollution from cars and so on.

I have a friend/former co-worker who lives in Shanghai and she'll be the first to tell you that she fears for the health of her toddler over the long term.

I honestly don't get it.


They also burn a shiatload of coal for power.
 
2013-12-13 09:38:26 AM  
Free from Job Killing Regulations, and with the elite having special air purifiers in their sealed houses, it is a Republican paradise!
 
2013-12-13 09:38:44 AM  

Flash_NYC: But, according to Tom Friedman of the NYT, at least China can compete economically in the world economy!  This is because, according to Friedman, their citizens are "qualified" and U.S.A. workers are not.  Friedman's solution is to spend billions on education so our workers in the cleanest factories in the world can  compete against a country where the workers are paid $3/hour, work 16 hours a day, live in dorms where they work and work in factories where OSHA, and EPA regulations don't exist.   This is what we are supposedly "competing" against.

The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacturer anything before they destroy there own country, they win.


$3 an hour is pretty generous...The semiconductor plant i used to work for sent me there a few years ago to train their engineers. While i was there i asked the plant manager how much the workers were making his response was $120-$150 a month for an operator ($0.75 to $0.93 an hour). And to make it worse, after 40 hours the workers were only paid half time for every hour over 40.
 
2013-12-13 09:38:57 AM  
I know it's cold as fark to say, but I sometimes feel like the Chinese are the living embodiment of the end of "Bart the Mother."  And they're the gorillas.
 
2013-12-13 09:42:45 AM  

Nurglitch: Headso: Flash_NYC: The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.

They aren't trying to "win" as a collective. The pollution is a result of millions and millions of individual choices made by business people working within the laws and level of enforcement of the land.

I'm glad someone else said it.


But the important thing is, the laws and level of enforcement are specifically set up to give the Chinese manufacturers a huge advantage over any other competitors.    Hey GM, you want to sell your Buicks in China?  Just manufacture them in China, OK?  Hey Bombardier?   You want to sell Locomotives in China? Just manufacture them in China, OK?   Oh and ignore the new manufacturer next door making the exact same looking model Locomotive for way less that the Chinese govt. will buy, putting you out of Business in China.  Then that model locomotive will be exported and will compete against yours which will only sell in countries that don't have those silly, "xx% of whatever needs to be made locally" laws, which is most of them.

China does have a plan.  They are thinking about building a complete Chinese city in upstate New York.

"Stick around. China wins it all." -- George Carlin
 
2013-12-13 09:43:01 AM  
So after the filters are stuffed into ones nostrils, you smoke the unfiltered cigarettes in the smog.
 
2013-12-13 09:43:10 AM  

Mentalpatient87: I thought he was just making a joke. Don't be so defensive over nothing.


And the rest of them seem to want to me my father, scolding me   :  )
 
2013-12-13 09:44:00 AM  
I should go into business selling gas masks there and for teh poor the cheap disposable ones.
 
2013-12-13 09:47:12 AM  

bunner: Mentalpatient87: I thought he was just making a joke. Don't be so defensive over nothing.

And the rest of them seem to want to me my father, scolding me   :  )


Case in point.
 
2013-12-13 09:47:33 AM  

Flash_NYC: China does have a plan.  They are thinking about building a complete Chinese city in upstate New York.


You don't think everybody got all gung ho about making pristine our air, water and land for no ROI, do you?  We're gonna be where the well to do Chinese go to retire, some day.  Built in servile service economy, non chewable air and lots of real estate that private citizens don't own, anymore.  Make sure your kid gets into a good school so they can, someday, aspire to group hospitality concierge in some Chinese luxury villa.  In PA.  *snort*
 
2013-12-13 09:49:05 AM  

Mentalpatient87: bunner: Mentalpatient87: I thought he was just making a joke. Don't be so defensive over nothing.

And the rest of them seem to want to me my father, scolding me   :  )

Case in point.


Go away troll.  You're off topic.  I'm not the topic.  Neither are you.  Go away.  Please.  Thank you.
 
2013-12-13 09:50:04 AM  
We should send them our hippies to brow beat them for awhile
 
2013-12-13 09:52:48 AM  

Onkel Buck: We should send them our hippies to brow beat them for awhile


Yeah!  If it weren't for those idiot hippies, WE'D have lots of industry now.  And chewable air.  'Cause you can't have one without the other, 'cause job creators!  ooooh, you.. hippies!
 
2013-12-13 09:54:02 AM  

bunner: Mentalpatient87: bunner: Mentalpatient87: I thought he was just making a joke. Don't be so defensive over nothing.

And the rest of them seem to want to me my father, scolding me   :  )

Case in point.

Go away troll.  You're off topic.  I'm not the topic.  Neither are you.  Go away.  Please.  Thank you.


Oh my apologies, sir. I'll leave you to be an over sensitive crybaby in peace.
 
2013-12-13 09:54:09 AM  
Cote d'Ivoire, too.
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2013-12-13 09:55:56 AM  

FriarReb98: I know it's cold as fark to say, but I sometimes feel like the Chinese are the living embodiment of the end of "Bart the Mother."  And they're the gorillas.


China holds little value over an individual. Chinese 'progress' is thought of in terms of group effort -- family effort, etc., and there is very little emphasis on the individual... save for the whole 'male heir' stigma where a family desires a male to eventually succeed as a patriarch. But for the most part the reason we see so many horror stories out of China -- and why China doesn't talk about it?

Is that life is cheap. And it's not inherently a Chinese perspective. Here in America we see similar things... life is cheap. Individuals dying? Noone really cares. Large groups of people die? We care... but generally we don't care enough to do something about it outside of a knee-jerk reaction. That's not to sound misanthropic, but it's just one of the 'culture' similarities we have with China.

China is... different. In the way that there is a 'group' effort for everything. And those individuals who do matter often deal with so much stress that any mishaps can be devastating to them. There is the whole matter of 'saving face'. People would rather die than dishonor themselves -- which is why suicide is such a tempting fate in China... and why many things are covered up or hidden, to save individuals from having to 'save face' and keep their honor intact. The alternative is much more devastating.

I won't pretend to 'know' or 'understand' Chinese culture, but one of my best friends is from Hong Kong and she has a unique perspective which she shared with me -- and which I now share with Fark.
 
2013-12-13 09:57:01 AM  

Mentalpatient87: Oh my apologies, sir. I'll leave you to be an over sensitive crybaby in peace.


I got a better idea.  Since you're obviously a person with an agenda whose word is worth sh*t, I'll just kick you to the curb, mayhaps to find somebody else to sell your K Mart, half off bargain table opprobrium to.  Bon chance, gramps.
 
2013-12-13 10:12:19 AM  
Let's see.. virtually no business regulations, no environmental regulations.. it's a Republican and Libertarian paradise!
 
2013-12-13 10:18:28 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Let's see.. virtually no business regulations, no environmental regulations.. it's a Republican and Libertarian paradise!


And they work for rice, bus fare and suicide nets!  No uppity serfs, here!  Oh, honey, go on and order that 9th Bentley!
 
2013-12-13 10:26:51 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Let's see.. virtually no business regulations, no environmental regulations.. it's a Republican and Libertarian paradise!


They have plenty of regulations.
 
2013-12-13 10:32:32 AM  

phenn: They have plenty of regulations.


And as we all know from OUR extensive offering of bureaucratic regulatory committees, ALL regulations are ALWAYS strictly followed to the letter and the profits that exceed the fines for ignoring them assure that those fines are NEVER just viewed as a business expense by disingenuous men.
 
2013-12-13 10:38:58 AM  
In Richard Bachman's story "The Running Man", the elite wore air filtration systems in their noses.

www.nickchinlund.com

And Nick Chinlund's character in "Ultraviolet" wears one as well.
 
2013-12-13 10:50:01 AM  

bunner: Tatterdemalian: /chain a dog down and beat him for being too lazy to break the chains and do something, and eventually the dog will just learn to never try to do anything no matter how much you beat him, even after the chains are removed

That, or one day, as it lies whimpering  and awaiting today's beating, it will suddenly tear your f*cking arm off and sh*t whatever surface area of your body it can maul and digest into a nearby patch of grass.  Go dog.


And the fact that I wasn't the one beating the dog won't matter at all, except to provide extra lulz to the people who did chain and beat the dog.

/isn't it great how perfect this metaphor is turning out?
//after all, you yourself will pitch a fit at anyone who suggests that kids might actually be able to perform those sub-minimum wage jobs, if only they were willing to accept sub-minimum wages
 
2013-12-13 11:02:22 AM  

Tatterdemalian: They're not the ones destroying our ability to manufacture anything. We are, by convincing ourselves that it's a moral imperative to eliminate all entry-level jobs so our graduating students are forced to pretend they're experts in everything, without having any actual competence at all, while simultaneously condemning them for being too lazy to do the jobs we've made it illegal for them to do.


You ever tried to live on minimum wage in the United States? That's why you talking about businesses being allowed to pay people below minimum wage because of illegals, bootstraps and reasons is so funny.
 
2013-12-13 11:04:00 AM  

phenn: Princess Ryans Knickers: Let's see.. virtually no business regulations, no environmental regulations.. it's a Republican and Libertarian paradise!

They have plenty of regulations.


that's simply not true, they just this year in 2013 adopted some nationwide regulations on the factories that account for the majority of the pollution in the country. Up till then it was all local regulations so if a local government needed to allow pollution for the sake of the economy they just allowed it.
 
2013-12-13 11:09:48 AM  

Tatterdemalian: after all, you yourself will pitch a fit at anyone who suggests that kids might actually be able to perform those sub-minimum wage jobs, if only they were willing to accept sub-minimum wages


Would I really?  Fascinating assumption.  Did you really think I didn't mean the colloquial "you"?  Do you just need as many people to assume the worst of as possible?
 
2013-12-13 11:10:06 AM  

Flash_NYC: They are thinking about building a complete Chinese city in upstate New York.


Oh, FFS. Do you know what that sounds like? "OOGA-BOOGA THE YELLOW PERIL!" That's what that sounds like.
 
2013-12-13 11:12:54 AM  

bunner: Onkel Buck: We should send them our hippies to brow beat them for awhile

Yeah!  If it weren't for those idiot hippies, WE'D have lots of industry now.  And chewable air.  'Cause you can't have one without the other, 'cause job creators!  ooooh, you.. hippies!


Relax pud, go get yourself some new Birkenstocks, you'll feel better.
 
2013-12-13 11:13:01 AM  
Let me elucidate.  Greed sucks.  Ruining entire environments and economies to buy gold plated turnip dishes sucks.  Ill using entire generations / nations / social strata to get pig's ass fat, sucks.  Turning on the bastards who engage is these practices is admirable and, historically, inevitable.  I hope this clears up my position.
 
2013-12-13 11:13:55 AM  

Onkel Buck: Relax pud, go get yourself some new Birkenstocks, you'll feel better.


Bow me, amateur projectionist boy.   :  ) Your turn.  *snort*
 
2013-12-13 11:14:29 AM  

theorellior: Tatterdemalian: They're not the ones destroying our ability to manufacture anything. We are, by convincing ourselves that it's a moral imperative to eliminate all entry-level jobs so our graduating students are forced to pretend they're experts in everything, without having any actual competence at all, while simultaneously condemning them for being too lazy to do the jobs we've made it illegal for them to do.

You ever tried to live on minimum wage in the United States? That's why you talking about businesses being allowed to pay people below minimum wage because of illegals, bootstraps and reasons is so funny.


I bought my first 386 working a minimum wage job at a cola factory. Of course, you won't think that matters, because that was then and this is now, but you'd use the same excuse if I was at a minimum wage job today ("That was yesterday! THIS IS TODAY!") because you just need to believe you're right, no matter how wrong you are.

/the most hilarious was that flash game that pretended to show "what it's really like to survive on minimum wage"
//apparently surviving on minimum wage requires that you run red lights 30 times a day, just to make sure the traffic fines prevent you from paying all your bills
 
2013-12-13 11:14:37 AM  
P.S:  I'm more of an Italian single needle, no vent, chalk stripe and Oxfords guy.
 
2013-12-13 11:20:22 AM  

bunner: Let me elucidate.  Greed sucks.  Ruining entire environments and economies to buy gold plated turnip dishes sucks.  Ill using entire generations / nations / social strata to get pig's ass fat, sucks.  Turning on the bastards who engage is these practices is admirable and, historically, inevitable.  I hope this clears up my position.


Historically, those bastards responsible never actually get turned on, only the figureheads and scapegoats get a date with the guillotine before the mob starts eating itself.

/just ask Robespierre
//or Lenin
///funny how the only revolution that didn't destroy itself was also the one that preserved the existing social order, including slavery
 
2013-12-13 11:24:38 AM  

Tatterdemalian: ///funny how the only revolution that didn't destroy itself was also the one that preserved the existing social order, including slavery


It is, however, comfortably seated, napkins lapped and knives and forks in hand and admiring the platters full of it's own alleged ideals being tabled by the help. Then again, this was more of a business plan than a revolution.
 
2013-12-13 11:29:21 AM  

bunner: Onkel Buck: Relax pud, go get yourself some new Birkenstocks, you'll feel better.

Bow me, amateur projectionist boy.   :  )  Your turn.  *snort*


Bow? although I don't understand why you want a bow, but you treehuggers can be a little odd at times.Anyway here ya go!
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be careful with the last one it shoots pointy hurty things
 
2013-12-13 11:31:18 AM  

Onkel Buck: but you treehuggers


Wow, you got it bad, don'thca?   (And no, I can't type.) Adios, blowhardski.  :  )
 
2013-12-13 11:36:43 AM  

bunner: Onkel Buck: but you treehuggers

Wow, you got it bad, don'thca?   (And no, I can't type.) Adios, blowhardski.  :  )


Tschüss  pud.
 
2013-12-13 11:39:26 AM  
The problem is that, when people are confronted by their own mortality, they seem to overwhelmingly engage in grabbing everything they can strip off the walls and stuffing it up their own ass instead of trying to shape something that will better the lives of those who shall follow them.  Is that working for you?  It's not working for me.  Nope, can't say that it is.  Until we rise above that, the rest is a piss up a rope and a laundry list of justifications for continuing the behaviors and methods that have, so far, gotten us precisely - here.
 
2013-12-13 11:43:00 AM  

Headso: phenn: Princess Ryans Knickers: Let's see.. virtually no business regulations, no environmental regulations.. it's a Republican and Libertarian paradise!

They have plenty of regulations.

that's simply not true, they just this year in 2013 adopted some nationwide regulations on the factories that account for the majority of the pollution in the country. Up till then it was all local regulations so if a local government needed to allow pollution for the sake of the economy they just allowed it.


All I can tell you is what I know from a former co-worker in Shanghai.

My previous company developed and built spectrometers for a number of industries. Our offices in China sold them, largely, to the government and they were used in applications that monitored car emissions, manufacturing emissions, waste water quality, waste materials and so on.

They absolutely were used to enforce government regulations on manufacturers and this goes back to before I started there in 2007.

Now, whether or not those regulations are now obsolete, I probably couldn't address because I no longer work for the company. But, what I said was that China does, indeed, have plenty of regulations. That is true.

How vigorously they enforce them is also not something I could speak to. I just know they exist.
 
2013-12-13 11:48:16 AM  

bunner: I wonder where the corporate whores who are strip mining he earth and shoving all the gold up their asses are going to move to next once China starts enacting pollution laws, too.


Africa and the Artic circle man! Problem is one is a dangerous hellhole the other too damn cold but if the payoff is good the venture is worth it.
 
2013-12-13 11:51:47 AM  
Tatterdemalian:
You ever tried to live on minimum wage in the United States? That's why you talking about businesses being allowed to pay people below minimum wage because of illegals, bootstraps and reasons is so funny.

I bought my first 386 working a minimum wage job at a cola factory. Of course, you won't think that matters, because that was then and this is now, but you'd use the same excuse if I was at a minimum wage job today ("That was yesterday! THIS IS TODAY!") because you just need to believe you're right, no matter how wrong you are.

/the most hilarious was that flash game that pretended to show "what it's really like to survive on minimum wage"
//apparently surviving on minimum wage requires that you run red lights 30 times a day, just to make sure the traffic fines prevent you from paying all your bills


I'm still rather unclear on how you're turning a story about Chinese pollution into a metaphor about beating animals for the argument that Americans get paid too much.
 
2013-12-13 11:58:43 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: bunner: I wonder where the corporate whores who are strip mining he earth and shoving all the gold up their asses are going to move to next once China starts enacting pollution laws, too.

Africa and the Artic circle man! Problem is one is a dangerous hellhole the other too damn cold but if the payoff is good the venture is worth it.


On the upside, Africa is pretty much already screwed.  Maybe a functioning economy will distract them from the mayhem and conniving for a bit.  It's a ponderous Monopoly board we've sketched over this little, blue world.
 
2013-12-13 12:00:09 PM  

phenn: Now, whether or not those regulations are now obsolete, I probably couldn't address because I no longer work for the company. But, what I said was that China does, indeed, have plenty of regulations. That is true.


yes it is true that had a hodgepodge of local regulations, they are now moving towards a more national set of regulations. Because as you can see environmental regulations set at the local level don't work, which is why you see the biggest polluters in America lobbying for that style here.
 
2013-12-13 12:11:40 PM  

bunner: Flash_NYC: China does have a plan.  They are thinking about building a complete Chinese city in upstate New York.

You don't think everybody got all gung ho about making pristine our air, water and land for no ROI, do you?  We're gonna be where the well to do Chinese go to retire, some day.  Built in servile service economy, non chewable air and lots of real estate that private citizens don't own, anymore.  Make sure your kid gets into a good school so they can, someday, aspire to group hospitality concierge in some Chinese luxury villa.  In PA.  *snort*


Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

http://m.nbcnews.com/business/chinese -buying-california-housing-2D116 5 0640

/no clicky on mobile
 
2013-12-13 12:15:28 PM  
yay unfettered corporatism.  This is what all the lobbyists want!
 
2013-12-13 12:18:31 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.


Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.
 
2013-12-13 12:20:27 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: bunner: Flash_NYC: China does have a plan.  They are thinking about building a complete Chinese city in upstate New York.

You don't think everybody got all gung ho about making pristine our air, water and land for no ROI, do you?  We're gonna be where the well to do Chinese go to retire, some day.  Built in servile service economy, non chewable air and lots of real estate that private citizens don't own, anymore.  Make sure your kid gets into a good school so they can, someday, aspire to group hospitality concierge in some Chinese luxury villa.  In PA.  *snort*

Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

http://m.nbcnews.com/business/chinese -buying-california-housing-2D116 5 0640

/no clicky on mobile


In the 80s, it was all the newly rich Japanese people buying up all of America.

We're still here.
 
2013-12-13 01:09:18 PM  

bunner: Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.


Wut? I linked NBC not Infowars. Did I miss something?
 
2013-12-13 01:26:29 PM  
bunner:   Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.



Actually, my Hong Kong friends say the same thing about Mainlanders moving to Southern California, and if you live in LA/OC, it's pretty obvious they're moving to certain areas and buying a bit of property and/or sending their kids to school here.  I think the obvious reason is they want US citizenship - if not for their them, then for the next generation.

The source of the money is a little more dubious.  While I'm sure most are funded by their parents working hard.  Some of the money is corruption stuff... officials who stole govt funds or got their money from bribes, and then there is the business tycoons who made a bundle by lllegal means.

The racist thing is thinking they are somehow part of China's grand back door strategy to screwing the US.... that's nonsense.  These guys are hedging their bet that China's economy hits the rails, the Party gets kicked out of power or simply like living in America more.
 
2013-12-13 01:50:23 PM  

SirEattonHogg: bunner:   Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.


Actually, my Hong Kong friends say the same thing about Mainlanders moving to Southern California, and if you live in LA/OC, it's pretty obvious they're moving to certain areas and buying a bit of property and/or sending their kids to school here.  I think the obvious reason is they want US citizenship - if not for their them, then for the next generation.

The source of the money is a little more dubious.  While I'm sure most are funded by their parents working hard.  Some of the money is corruption stuff... officials who stole govt funds or got their money from bribes, and then there is the business tycoons who made a bundle by lllegal means.

The racist thing is thinking they are somehow part of China's grand back door strategy to screwing the US.... that's nonsense.  These guys are hedging their bet that China's economy hits the rails, the Party gets kicked out of power or simply like living in America more.


Yep. This isn't some insidious Chinese plan to screw America. This is the rich laying the groundwork to abandon ship if necessary. They also get the benefit of hiding their wealth in a country that uses the USD.
 
2013-12-13 01:59:13 PM  
People will put up with all sorts of things for short-term economic security. Look up the Minamata Bay incident, or the Cuyahoga River catching fire, or gas fracking in the US, or London's "Great Smog."

Usually this stuff is corrected by a wealthy and politically active middle class that decides they're not going to breathe their own shiat any more, or at least that's how it came to the US in the 60's and 70's. China is coming to that but not there yet.

Minamata was particularly instructive... People were seeing all sorts of awful effects, which I will not link to as they are graphic, you can google it. Every day in their homes.

But...

A) The breadwinners were making their money there.
B) It was how they had always done things.
C) It was a source of local pride that the company and therefore the town was successful.

The end result was a bunch of small payouts to families and a lot of people crippled for life.

We really do sell ourselves cheap.
 
2013-12-13 02:43:16 PM  
ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2013-12-13 03:21:33 PM  

bunner: Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.


Up here in Vancouver, wealthy Chinese foreign investment is (partly) seen as [the] reason for skyhigh real-estate prices, to the point where something like this:
images.realtor.ca


is currently listed for $1,288,000
 
2013-12-13 03:31:08 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: bunner: Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.

Wut? I linked NBC not Infowars. Did I miss something?


No, I mean I get fitted for tinfoil hats by people who think that simple business motives like this are somehow conspiritorial.
 
2013-12-13 06:26:25 PM  

Nexzus: bunner: Igor Jakovsky: Its already happening in California. Wealthy Chinese are buying up chunks of suburbia for either rental until they retire and move over here or for their kids to move into while they go to school. Seems like the ones with the means to do so are starting to plan their exit strategy.

Yup.  Anybody need any tinfoil?  I've been fitted with several hat type bits of it for a while now, since I notice stuff like this.  I hear you can wrap food in it.

Up here in Vancouver, wealthy Chinese foreign investment is (partly) seen as [the] reason for skyhigh real-estate prices, to the point where something like this:
[images.realtor.ca image 512x400]


is currently listed for $1,288,000


Wow.  That lot had better be a half-mile deep.
 
2013-12-13 09:03:22 PM  

KierzanDax: In Richard Bachman's story "The Running Man", the elite wore air filtration systems in their noses.

[www.nickchinlund.com image 746x443]

And Nick Chinlund's character in "Ultraviolet" wears one as well.


Don't forget the hitlermask stillsuits in Dune.
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-13 10:09:43 PM  

bunner: I wonder where the corporate whores who are strip mining he earth and shoving all the gold up their asses are going to move to next once China starts enacting pollution laws, too.


How well I remember the plutocrats storming into China, guns blazing, screaming, "You will make our cheap shiat or die!!"  The Chinese leaders, whimpering for mercy, were forced to begin producing the aforementioned shiat.  Then the greedy capitalist, screamed, "Pollute everything, we demand it!!!", and the helpless Chinese leaders, forced to their knees, could only comply.  The once proud Mao, shouting, "Hep Me!! Hep Me!!  Oh, lawdy, dey gonna kill me if you don't do what dey say!!", as the laughing gods of greed held a pistol to his head.
 
2013-12-13 10:45:21 PM  

zimbomba63: How well I remember the plutocrats storming into China, guns blazing, screaming, "You will make our cheap shiat or die!!"  The Chinese leaders, whimpering for mercy, were forced to begin producing the aforementioned shiat.  Then the greedy capitalist, screamed, "Pollute everything, we demand it!!!", and the helpless Chinese leaders, forced to their knees, could only comply.  The once proud Mao, shouting, "Hep Me!! Hep Me!!  Oh, lawdy, dey gonna kill me if you don't do what dey say!!", as the laughing gods of greed held a pistol to his head.


I never saw that issue of Newsweek.  Parody of intent doesn't mitigate results.  Next apologist, please.  3/10 well written and 1970's style NatLampCo level writing.
 
2013-12-14 11:31:27 AM  
Would someone search Google images -- "butts cigarette shove" for me?

I'm afraid to do it.
 
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