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(Business Standard)   How bad is the pollution in Chinese cities? People are shoving cigarette butts in their noses so they can inhale cleaner air   (business-standard.com) divider line 90
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2013-12-13 08:21:37 AM  
Sounds like selling air filtration systems to rich Chinese would be a great business.
 
2013-12-13 08:21:47 AM  
Clean air is socialism, not communism.
 
2013-12-13 08:22:38 AM  
The state media reported that doctors also believe this technique will definitely obstruct air entering the nasal cavity, and will affect normal breathing.

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2013-12-13 08:34:45 AM  
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2013-12-13 08:36:33 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: The state media reported that doctors also believe this technique will definitely obstruct air entering the nasal cavity, and will affect normal breathing.

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It's chinese science, man.  If you'd ever read one of their academic publications you'd know why they need to point out that blocking your airway might interfere with breathing.
 
2013-12-13 08:37:50 AM  

Jim_Callahan: It's chinese science, man.  If you'd ever read one of their academic publications you'd know why they need to point out that blocking your airway might interfere with breathing.


My buddy is an engineer and he got picked to go on a trip to China and work with Chinese engineers. You have a very valid point.
 
2013-12-13 08:40:01 AM  

kpaxoid: Clean air is socialism, not communism.


Socialism is intermediate stage between capitalism and communism (in China and Russia - between communism and capitalism), where people learn how to live without air or food
 
2013-12-13 08:42:21 AM  
Of course, Chinese cigarette filters are made of short-fiber asbestos held together with a paste of ground-up dissidents.
 
2013-12-13 08:45:59 AM  
But my iPhone is cheap, so I don't care
 
2013-12-13 08:46:00 AM  
But, according to Tom Friedman of the NYT, at least China can compete economically in the world economy!  This is because, according to Friedman, their citizens are "qualified" and U.S.A. workers are not.  Friedman's solution is to spend billions on education so our workers in the cleanest factories in the world can  compete against a country where the workers are paid $3/hour, work 16 hours a day, live in dorms where they work and work in factories where OSHA, and EPA regulations don't exist.   This is what we are supposedly "competing" against.

The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.
 
2013-12-13 08:47:11 AM  
How bad is pollution in China?

(How bad is it?)

It's so bad, the Chinese think of McDonalds and KFC as "health food" because it's probably not full of melamine!
 
2013-12-13 08:50:29 AM  

Flash_NYC: But, according to Tom Friedman of the NYT, at least China can compete economically in the world economy!  This is because, according to Friedman, their citizens are "qualified" and U.S.A. workers are not.  Friedman's solution is to spend billions on education so our workers in the cleanest factories in the world can  compete against a country where the workers are paid $3/hour, work 16 hours a day, live in dorms where they work and work in factories where OSHA, and EPA regulations don't exist.   This is what we are supposedly "competing" against.

The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.


And you are a product of that educaton system? Game over man.
 
2013-12-13 08:53:31 AM  

GoldDude: Of course, Chinese cigarette filters are made of short-fiber asbestos held together with a paste of ground-up dissidents.


Soylent Slim Light 100's, now with 25% less dissidents than the leading brand.
 
2013-12-13 08:55:09 AM  
I wonder where the corporate whores who are strip mining he earth and shoving all the gold up their asses are going to move to next once China starts enacting pollution laws, too.
 
2013-12-13 08:59:08 AM  

Flash_NYC: But, according to Tom Friedman of the NYT, at least China can compete economically in the world economy!  This is because, according to Friedman, their citizens are "qualified" and U.S.A. workers are not.  Friedman's solution is to spend billions on education so our workers in the cleanest factories in the world can  compete against a country where the workers are paid $3/hour, work 16 hours a day, live in dorms where they work and work in factories where OSHA, and EPA regulations don't exist.   This is what we are supposedly "competing" against.

The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.


They're not the ones destroying our ability to manufacture anything. We are, by convincing ourselves that it's a moral imperative to eliminate all entry-level jobs so our graduating students are forced to pretend they're experts in everything, without having any actual competence at all, while simultaneously condemning them for being too lazy to do the jobs we've made it illegal for them to do.

/chain a dog down and beat him for being too lazy to break the chains and do something, and eventually the dog will just learn to never try to do anything no matter how much you beat him, even after the chains are removed
//this works on humans too, and we've been doing it to our kids ever since the minimum wage was instituted and illegal immigrants used to fill jobs that can't be paid the minimum wage
 
2013-12-13 09:01:19 AM  

LewDux: kpaxoid: Clean air is socialism, not communism.

Socialism is intermediate stage between capitalism and communism (in China and Russia - between communism and capitalism), where people learn how to live without air or food


Yeah. Marx got that wrong. Socialism is the sweet spot between capitalism and communism. A place where massive profits are allowed to accumulate to an individual while at the same time we acknowledge basic human dignity and provide a comfortable life for those who don't, won't, or can't provide for themselves.

What the pure capitalists and pure communists don't understand is that those two systems will destroy themselves as they both produce massive amounts of inequality. While socialism will curb inequality while at the same time allow for merit to achieve high status.
 
2013-12-13 09:07:39 AM  

Tatterdemalian: /chain a dog down and beat him for being too lazy to break the chains and do something, and eventually the dog will just learn to never try to do anything no matter how much you beat him, even after the chains are removed


That, or one day, as it lies whimpering  and awaiting today's beating, it will suddenly tear your f*cking arm off and sh*t whatever surface area of your body it can maul and digest into a nearby patch of grass.  Go dog.
 
2013-12-13 09:09:40 AM  

Flash_NYC: The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.


They aren't trying to "win" as a collective. The pollution is a result of millions and millions of individual choices made by business people working within the laws and level of enforcement of the land.
 
2013-12-13 09:09:53 AM  
Newport Menthols probably offer the best filtration.
 
2013-12-13 09:10:31 AM  
Sorry for the ignorant question, but why is the air so polluted there?
 
2013-12-13 09:13:32 AM  
Flash_NYC:   But, according to Tom Friedman of the NYT, . . .

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2013-12-13 09:14:05 AM  

Endive Wombat: Sorry for the ignorant question, but why is the air so polluted there?


You know all those commooniss, libby, libtard organizations like the EPA and stuff, trying to stifle our job creators with silly pollution laws?  Yeah, they ain't got those.
 
2013-12-13 09:14:22 AM  

bunner: Tatterdemalian: /chain a dog down and beat him for being too lazy to break the chains and do something, and eventually the dog will just learn to never try to do anything no matter how much you beat him, even after the chains are removed

That, or one day, as it lies whimpering  and awaiting today's beating, it will suddenly tear your f*cking arm off and sh*t whatever surface area of your body it can maul and digest into a nearby patch of grass.  Go dog.


Uh oh, we got PETA in the fray as well!
 
2013-12-13 09:15:09 AM  

Headso: Flash_NYC: The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.

They aren't trying to "win" as a collective. The pollution is a result of millions and millions of individual choices made by business people working within the laws and level of enforcement of the land.


I'm glad someone else said it.
 
2013-12-13 09:17:01 AM  

DocPeabody: Uh oh, we got PETA in the fray as well!


If I had a dollar for every assumption projected upon me from the faction of this forum that comes here to wax witty, sans reading comprehension, I could buy Switzerland.   :  )  In all fairness, it's my fault.  I keep expecting people to be able to follow an analogy.
 
2013-12-13 09:17:55 AM  
Sounds like a good idea to me. I would tear filters off of new cigarettes, stick them in my nose, and smoke the cigs cowboy style.
 
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2013-12-13 09:18:57 AM  

Arkanaut: How bad is pollution in China?

(How bad is it?)

It's so bad, the Chinese think of McDonalds and KFC as "health food" because it's probably not full of melamine!


Heeey yooooo....
/golf swing
 
2013-12-13 09:29:04 AM  

Arkanaut: How bad is pollution in China?

(How bad is it?)

It's so bad, the Chinese think of McDonalds and KFC as "health food" because it's probably not full of melamine!


is that why they look jaundice?

**ducks and runs away**
 
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2013-12-13 09:30:37 AM  
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They're doing it wrong
 
2013-12-13 09:31:49 AM  

Endive Wombat: Sorry for the ignorant question, but why is the air so polluted there?


That's a damn good question.

Perhaps it is some odd combination of manufacturing, congestion and how it is situated (winds, etc.). I find it puzzling, though, because the Chinese seem more conscious of pollution than most. Using roadside spectroscopy systems to monitor pollution from cars and so on.

I have a friend/former co-worker who lives in Shanghai and she'll be the first to tell you that she fears for the health of her toddler over the long term.

I honestly don't get it.
 
2013-12-13 09:36:32 AM  

bunner: DocPeabody: Uh oh, we got PETA in the fray as well!

If I had a dollar for every assumption projected upon me from the faction of this forum that comes here to wax witty, sans reading comprehension, I could buy Switzerland.   :  )  In all fairness, it's my fault.  I keep expecting people to be able to follow an analogy.


I thought he was just making a joke. Don't be so defensive over nothing.
 
2013-12-13 09:38:02 AM  

phenn: Endive Wombat: Sorry for the ignorant question, but why is the air so polluted there?

That's a damn good question.

Perhaps it is some odd combination of manufacturing, congestion and how it is situated (winds, etc.). I find it puzzling, though, because the Chinese seem more conscious of pollution than most. Using roadside spectroscopy systems to monitor pollution from cars and so on.

I have a friend/former co-worker who lives in Shanghai and she'll be the first to tell you that she fears for the health of her toddler over the long term.

I honestly don't get it.


They also burn a shiatload of coal for power.
 
2013-12-13 09:38:26 AM  
Free from Job Killing Regulations, and with the elite having special air purifiers in their sealed houses, it is a Republican paradise!
 
2013-12-13 09:38:44 AM  

Flash_NYC: But, according to Tom Friedman of the NYT, at least China can compete economically in the world economy!  This is because, according to Friedman, their citizens are "qualified" and U.S.A. workers are not.  Friedman's solution is to spend billions on education so our workers in the cleanest factories in the world can  compete against a country where the workers are paid $3/hour, work 16 hours a day, live in dorms where they work and work in factories where OSHA, and EPA regulations don't exist.   This is what we are supposedly "competing" against.

The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacturer anything before they destroy there own country, they win.


$3 an hour is pretty generous...The semiconductor plant i used to work for sent me there a few years ago to train their engineers. While i was there i asked the plant manager how much the workers were making his response was $120-$150 a month for an operator ($0.75 to $0.93 an hour). And to make it worse, after 40 hours the workers were only paid half time for every hour over 40.
 
2013-12-13 09:38:57 AM  
I know it's cold as fark to say, but I sometimes feel like the Chinese are the living embodiment of the end of "Bart the Mother."  And they're the gorillas.
 
2013-12-13 09:42:45 AM  

Nurglitch: Headso: Flash_NYC: The Chinese know they're destroying their country, but they don't care.  As long as they destroy our ability to manufacter anything before they destroy there own country, they win.

They aren't trying to "win" as a collective. The pollution is a result of millions and millions of individual choices made by business people working within the laws and level of enforcement of the land.

I'm glad someone else said it.


But the important thing is, the laws and level of enforcement are specifically set up to give the Chinese manufacturers a huge advantage over any other competitors.    Hey GM, you want to sell your Buicks in China?  Just manufacture them in China, OK?  Hey Bombardier?   You want to sell Locomotives in China? Just manufacture them in China, OK?   Oh and ignore the new manufacturer next door making the exact same looking model Locomotive for way less that the Chinese govt. will buy, putting you out of Business in China.  Then that model locomotive will be exported and will compete against yours which will only sell in countries that don't have those silly, "xx% of whatever needs to be made locally" laws, which is most of them.

China does have a plan.  They are thinking about building a complete Chinese city in upstate New York.

"Stick around. China wins it all." -- George Carlin
 
2013-12-13 09:43:01 AM  
So after the filters are stuffed into ones nostrils, you smoke the unfiltered cigarettes in the smog.
 
2013-12-13 09:43:10 AM  

Mentalpatient87: I thought he was just making a joke. Don't be so defensive over nothing.


And the rest of them seem to want to me my father, scolding me   :  )
 
2013-12-13 09:44:00 AM  
I should go into business selling gas masks there and for teh poor the cheap disposable ones.
 
2013-12-13 09:47:12 AM  

bunner: Mentalpatient87: I thought he was just making a joke. Don't be so defensive over nothing.

And the rest of them seem to want to me my father, scolding me   :  )


Case in point.
 
2013-12-13 09:47:33 AM  

Flash_NYC: China does have a plan.  They are thinking about building a complete Chinese city in upstate New York.


You don't think everybody got all gung ho about making pristine our air, water and land for no ROI, do you?  We're gonna be where the well to do Chinese go to retire, some day.  Built in servile service economy, non chewable air and lots of real estate that private citizens don't own, anymore.  Make sure your kid gets into a good school so they can, someday, aspire to group hospitality concierge in some Chinese luxury villa.  In PA.  *snort*
 
2013-12-13 09:49:05 AM  

Mentalpatient87: bunner: Mentalpatient87: I thought he was just making a joke. Don't be so defensive over nothing.

And the rest of them seem to want to me my father, scolding me   :  )

Case in point.


Go away troll.  You're off topic.  I'm not the topic.  Neither are you.  Go away.  Please.  Thank you.
 
2013-12-13 09:50:04 AM  
We should send them our hippies to brow beat them for awhile
 
2013-12-13 09:52:48 AM  

Onkel Buck: We should send them our hippies to brow beat them for awhile


Yeah!  If it weren't for those idiot hippies, WE'D have lots of industry now.  And chewable air.  'Cause you can't have one without the other, 'cause job creators!  ooooh, you.. hippies!
 
2013-12-13 09:54:02 AM  

bunner: Mentalpatient87: bunner: Mentalpatient87: I thought he was just making a joke. Don't be so defensive over nothing.

And the rest of them seem to want to me my father, scolding me   :  )

Case in point.

Go away troll.  You're off topic.  I'm not the topic.  Neither are you.  Go away.  Please.  Thank you.


Oh my apologies, sir. I'll leave you to be an over sensitive crybaby in peace.
 
2013-12-13 09:54:09 AM  
Cote d'Ivoire, too.
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2013-12-13 09:55:56 AM  

FriarReb98: I know it's cold as fark to say, but I sometimes feel like the Chinese are the living embodiment of the end of "Bart the Mother."  And they're the gorillas.


China holds little value over an individual. Chinese 'progress' is thought of in terms of group effort -- family effort, etc., and there is very little emphasis on the individual... save for the whole 'male heir' stigma where a family desires a male to eventually succeed as a patriarch. But for the most part the reason we see so many horror stories out of China -- and why China doesn't talk about it?

Is that life is cheap. And it's not inherently a Chinese perspective. Here in America we see similar things... life is cheap. Individuals dying? Noone really cares. Large groups of people die? We care... but generally we don't care enough to do something about it outside of a knee-jerk reaction. That's not to sound misanthropic, but it's just one of the 'culture' similarities we have with China.

China is... different. In the way that there is a 'group' effort for everything. And those individuals who do matter often deal with so much stress that any mishaps can be devastating to them. There is the whole matter of 'saving face'. People would rather die than dishonor themselves -- which is why suicide is such a tempting fate in China... and why many things are covered up or hidden, to save individuals from having to 'save face' and keep their honor intact. The alternative is much more devastating.

I won't pretend to 'know' or 'understand' Chinese culture, but one of my best friends is from Hong Kong and she has a unique perspective which she shared with me -- and which I now share with Fark.
 
2013-12-13 09:57:01 AM  

Mentalpatient87: Oh my apologies, sir. I'll leave you to be an over sensitive crybaby in peace.


I got a better idea.  Since you're obviously a person with an agenda whose word is worth sh*t, I'll just kick you to the curb, mayhaps to find somebody else to sell your K Mart, half off bargain table opprobrium to.  Bon chance, gramps.
 
2013-12-13 10:12:19 AM  
Let's see.. virtually no business regulations, no environmental regulations.. it's a Republican and Libertarian paradise!
 
2013-12-13 10:18:28 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Let's see.. virtually no business regulations, no environmental regulations.. it's a Republican and Libertarian paradise!


And they work for rice, bus fare and suicide nets!  No uppity serfs, here!  Oh, honey, go on and order that 9th Bentley!
 
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