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2013-12-13 02:12:59 AM

sendtodave: Actually...

Has anyone ever speculated on whether the Venus figurines might actually just be children's dolls?

I mean, there's no reason to assume that dolls are a new thing.

/my mom figured that the hands, and stick figure cave painting were kids scribbling on the walls


Not that I know of. I think the biggest hurtle in drawing any strict parallel between the two is that childhood is something of a modern concept, so they probably wouldn't have looked at them as "kiddie toys" the way we do with Barbie dolls. But, "baubles" in some general sense, that were probably more often in the hands of the little ones? Dunno...I don't think anyone has ruled that out. But, I'm also sort of out of my depth at that point...

/is there an anthropologist in the house?
 
2013-12-13 02:13:54 AM

Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.


So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.
 
2013-12-13 02:15:20 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Frederick: /genetics are not things people are "good at"

Frederick Sanger is pretty good at it.


I stand corrected.

/well done
 
2013-12-13 02:17:53 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.

So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.


3 that I know of, but I've been out of academia for a few years now.

1st: Men and women are the same!
2nd: Men and women are different!
3rd: Women and men have similarities and differences. And btw, you both are speaking from white, Western privilege.

/VERY reduced, but that's the jist
 
2013-12-13 02:17:57 AM

Frederick: Danger Avoid Death: Frederick: /genetics are not things people are "good at"

Frederick Sanger is pretty good at it.

I stand corrected.

/well done


With your Fark handle, I just couldn't resist. ;>p
 
2013-12-13 02:19:38 AM

Peki: Danger Avoid Death: Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.

So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.

3 that I know of, but I've been out of academia for a few years now.

1st: Men and women are the same!
2nd: Men and women are different!
3rd: Women and men have similarities and differences. And btw, you both are speaking from white, Western privilege.

/VERY reduced, but that's the jist


I thought it was:

1) Men and women deserve equal rights
2) Men and women are the same
3) Everyone is a special snowflake, and gender shouldn't exist
 
2013-12-13 02:20:50 AM

Peki: Danger Avoid Death: Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.

So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.

3 that I know of, but I've been out of academia for a few years now.

1st: Men and women are the same!
2nd: Men and women are different!
3rd: Women and men have similarities and differences. And btw, you both are speaking from white, Western privilege.

/VERY reduced, but that's the jist


So ... What would that be in popcorn?
 
2013-12-13 02:23:42 AM

sendtodave: Peki: Danger Avoid Death: Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.

So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.

3 that I know of, but I've been out of academia for a few years now.

1st: Men and women are the same!
2nd: Men and women are different!
3rd: Women and men have similarities and differences. And btw, you both are speaking from white, Western privilege.

/VERY reduced, but that's the jist

I thought it was:

1) Men and women deserve equal rights
2) Men and women are the same
3) Everyone is a special snowflake, and gender shouldn't exist


No. Deserving equal rights was premised on the idea that women are just like men. Second wave was about women's special circumstances that require accommodation--an example would be a woman's special right to choose abortion.

You're right in pegging 3rd wave as having queer influence, but it's not so much about everyone being special. It's about defining special within the context of what you're trying to do. 3rd wave's main criticism was that previous waves were biased Western. You can't export Western feminism to Saudi Arabia. You have to develop Saudi Arabian feminism. That's where you get the "let's try to include everyone, and even a guy can be a woman," from.
 
2013-12-13 02:25:18 AM

Danger Avoid Death: So ... What would that be in popcorn?


Not much. The 1st and 2nd would just glare at the 3rd icily, while the 3rd shares with you.
 
2013-12-13 02:28:19 AM
Oh myyyy. We're transgendered now, are we? OK. I'm done here.

But now I know my waiting three years for a university tenure-track position was well spent instead of taking the easy out at a "Community College."

NTTAWWT.

However, if indeed you have been dis-enfranchised by your own sisterhood, Peki, perhaps you need to look at why. It may have nothing to do with you being "transgendered," nor does that "fact" forgive your previous posts about those of us who were on the forefront of real feminism and the OPs view that we, as women (transgendered or not) can't stand post-pregnant skinny women, which is what this was all about, right?

My advice to you is to start auditing some classes at a real university to see what you've missed. You can even do this on-line if you can't leave your kids and hubby at home.

I didn't spend 40 years of my life trying to balance feminism with body image (at a very basic level) to make "nice" with anonymous people on the internet. It's as ridiculous as saying President Obama is a Kenyan and was never eligible to be President. It's that stupid.

I've spent all my life in academia...I treasure the women in my classes because I know I'm making a difference.

All names will be redacted for next semester's courses!  :-)

Tah, and to all a goodnight.
 
2013-12-13 02:28:51 AM

Peki: Bumblefark: upndn: Lame farkin thread. I was expecting pics...and lots of them, you know chicks and skin and boobs and curves and such.

Instead, one smoking hot milf and something bumbledfarked, whatever....

/dnrtfa
//now where will I look
///farkin innernet

*sigh* Fine..if you're gonna whine:

[images.thehollywoodgossip.com image 630x473]

There. Now don't say I never gave you nothing.

/heh. I've been verbified.

That was great until I got to the face. Then all I heard was "MICHAEL!"


Simple enough fix.

fc02.deviantart.net

/allll better
 
2013-12-13 02:29:59 AM

Peki: Btw, Deb, in case you hadn't figured it out, this is you:

[img.fark.net image 300x330]


But you're still here, aren't you?  LOL
 
2013-12-13 02:30:21 AM

Peki: sendtodave: Peki: Danger Avoid Death: Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.

So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.

3 that I know of, but I've been out of academia for a few years now.

1st: Men and women are the same!
2nd: Men and women are different!
3rd: Women and men have similarities and differences. And btw, you both are speaking from white, Western privilege.

/VERY reduced, but that's the jist

I thought it was:

1) Men and women deserve equal rights
2) Men and women are the same
3) Everyone is a special snowflake, and gender shouldn't exist

No. Deserving equal rights was premised on the idea that women are just like men. Second wave was about women's special circumstances that require accommodation--an example would be a woman's special right to choose abortion.

You're right in pegging 3rd wave as having queer influence, but it's not so much about everyone being special. It's about defining special within the context of what you're trying to do. 3rd wave's main criticism was that previous waves were biased Western. You can't export Western feminism to Saudi Arabia. You have to develop Saudi Arabian feminism. That's where you get the "let's try to include everyone, and even a guy can be a woman," from.


It recognizes that feminism is tied directly to distinct cultures, and the answer is to be all inclusive?

Dafuq?

Feminism can't relate to everybody, so let's make feminism relate to everybody?

Why. It just, you know, develop middle eastern feminism, separate from western feminism, and not try to be all things to all people (and thus having to say how special everybody is)?
 
2013-12-13 02:34:03 AM
biatches be trippin'.
 
2013-12-13 02:35:37 AM

DebinCO: I've spent all my life in academia...I treasure the women in my classes because I know I'm making a difference.


Well, you know what they say. Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.

DebinCO: "Community College."


Where did you get this from?

DebinCO: Peki: Btw, Deb, in case you hadn't figured it out, this is you:

[img.fark.net image 300x330]

But you're still here, aren't you?  LOL


I'm having fun. You're the one that supposedly had a "real" job to go do.

sendtodave: Why. It just, you know, develop middle eastern feminism, separate from western feminism, and not try to be all things to all people (and thus having to say how special everybody is)?


Dunno. I didn't pick the issues. I just studied them.
 
2013-12-13 02:36:13 AM

Peki: Danger Avoid Death: So ... What would that be in popcorn?

Not much. The 1st and 2nd would just glare at the 3rd icily, while the 3rd shares with you.


This is too complicated. I'm just gonna have some cake.
 
2013-12-13 02:37:42 AM

Peki: DebinCO: I've spent all my life in academia...I treasure the women in my classes because I know I'm making a difference.

Well, you know what they say. Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.

DebinCO: "Community College."

Where did you get this from?

DebinCO: Peki: Btw, Deb, in case you hadn't figured it out, this is you:

[img.fark.net image 300x330]

But you're still here, aren't you?  LOL

I'm having fun. You're the one that supposedly had a "real" job to go do.

sendtodave: Why. It just, you know, develop middle eastern feminism, separate from western feminism, and not try to be all things to all people (and thus having to say how special everybody is)?

Dunno. I didn't pick the issues. I just studied them.


I'm guessing the answer is "the 90s happened."
 
2013-12-13 02:38:04 AM

rogue_L_chick: biatches be trippin'.


WOOHOOO!!! A FOURTH WAVE!!!
 
2013-12-13 02:38:36 AM

Peki: Sort of. It was my minor. My major was English


Ok now I'm curious. What do you do with that degree?
 
2013-12-13 02:38:44 AM

Danger Avoid Death: rogue_L_chick: biatches be trippin'.

WOOHOOO!!! A FOURTH WAVE!!!


I need a gif of a sports stadium wave. . .
 
2013-12-13 02:43:47 AM

impaler: Peki: Sort of. It was my minor. My major was English

Ok now I'm curious. What do you do with that degree?


What I told Deb was social justice work (true--I work with a local Unitarian Universalist church--these are the people getting arrested in Arizona protesting the profiling law, in Texas during Wendy Davis' filibuster, etc.). I also invest, and I maintain a charity garden. Do I have a "day" job? No, but the reason for that goes far beyond the unsuitability of my degree. I screwed myself getting the degree in Canada, because you can't work off campus on a student immigration visa, so I came back to the US after three years and looked like an entitled fark who has a degree from "Are you sure that's a real university?"

There's other stuff too (PTSD, and some shiatty job history related to the causes of said PTSD), so. . . I know I open myself up to the "omg you got a useless degree and now you're poor ha ha fark you!" but there's a much longer story behind it. *shrug*
 
2013-12-13 02:44:31 AM

Peki: Danger Avoid Death: rogue_L_chick: biatches be trippin'.

WOOHOOO!!! A FOURTH WAVE!!!

I need a gif of a sports stadium wave. . .


I did a search for "the wave gif" and nothin'. I did a search for "stadium wave gif" and nothin'. I did a search for "the wave fans gif" and the first two alternate headings for related categories were "Honey Boo Boo" and "Anime Fap".

I really don't like where this is going. I quit. You're on your own.
 
2013-12-13 02:45:19 AM

Peki: And I AM disenfranchised among my own sisterhood. Comes with being transgendered. *shrug*


This seems paradoxical to me.

Then again, "academic feminist" is usually the nicest way of saying "transphobic sack of shiat" in my personal lexicon.

/Trans
//Ex-Feminist
 
2013-12-13 02:49:59 AM

Quinsisdos: Peki: And I AM disenfranchised among my own sisterhood. Comes with being transgendered. *shrug*

This seems paradoxical to me.

Then again, "academic feminist" is usually the nicest way of saying "transphobic sack of shiat" in my personal lexicon.

/Trans
//Ex-Feminist


LOL. That wasn't my experience. There was way more heterophobia than issues with trans folk. I actually got asked by my professor never to use the word "blowjob" in class because it made the other women uncomfortable. The prof was cool, so when I looked at her weird she went, I know I know, school regs, I have to say something.

I just call myself a feminist. You can add whatever label you want to that.

/more interested in true reproductive choice, for example, not just the right to choose an abortion, but the right to have a child and NOT have it effect your economic status
//having a child is the greatest predictor of bankruptcy in the U.S. That's just stupid. (Source: Elizabeth Warren, Two-Income Trap, yes THAT Elizabeth Warren)
 
2013-12-13 02:52:37 AM

Sergeant Grumbles: Hearing "What's your excuse for being fat?" from the wife of a soccer star who can spend the day at home working out sounds pretty much exactly like Mitt Romney telling the poor that they need to get an education or start a business by borrowing money from their parents. There's just a massive amount of ignorance that comes off as smugness, or vice versa, that ignores the reality a lot of people face. That kind of inconsiderate attitude can most definitely draw anger, but there's just enough truth behind the comment to be defensible.
That said, shaming is never a good motivator, whether it be shaming the viewer directly or shaming their actions, it's still a negative form of encouragement. There are better ways that could have been phrased that wouldn't have provoked anywhere near as much ire.


+1

Only post worth reading, IMO.
 
2013-12-13 02:52:57 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Peki: Danger Avoid Death: rogue_L_chick: biatches be trippin'.

WOOHOOO!!! A FOURTH WAVE!!!

I need a gif of a sports stadium wave. . .

I did a search for "the wave gif" and nothin'. I did a search for "stadium wave gif" and nothin'. I did a search for "the wave fans gif" and the first two alternate headings for related categories were "Honey Boo Boo" and "Anime Fap".

I really don't like where this is going. I quit. You're on your own.



i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-13 02:53:53 AM

impaler: Sergeant Grumbles: Hearing "What's your excuse for being fat?" from the wife of a soccer star who can spend the day at home working out sounds pretty much exactly like Mitt Romney telling the poor that they need to get an education or start a business by borrowing money from their parents. There's just a massive amount of ignorance that comes off as smugness, or vice versa, that ignores the reality a lot of people face. That kind of inconsiderate attitude can most definitely draw anger, but there's just enough truth behind the comment to be defensible.
That said, shaming is never a good motivator, whether it be shaming the viewer directly or shaming their actions, it's still a negative form of encouragement. There are better ways that could have been phrased that wouldn't have provoked anywhere near as much ire.

+1

Only post worth reading, IMO.


That's not funny or controversial or entertaining. It's... Just... Rational.

That's not what fark is for.
 
2013-12-13 02:55:40 AM

Peki: impaler: Peki: Sort of. It was my minor. My major was English

Ok now I'm curious. What do you do with that degree?

What I told Deb was social justice work (true--I work with a local Unitarian Universalist church--these are the people getting arrested in Arizona protesting the profiling law, in Texas during Wendy Davis' filibuster, etc.) blah blah blah blah blah


That was a joke.
 
2013-12-13 02:56:47 AM

impaler: Peki: impaler: Peki: Sort of. It was my minor. My major was English

Ok now I'm curious. What do you do with that degree?

What I told Deb was social justice work (true--I work with a local Unitarian Universalist church--these are the people getting arrested in Arizona protesting the profiling law, in Texas during Wendy Davis' filibuster, etc.) blah blah blah blah blah

That was a joke.


Sorry. I tend to take that stuff literally. *blush*
 
2013-12-13 02:57:58 AM

Peki: Quinsisdos: Peki: And I AM disenfranchised among my own sisterhood. Comes with being transgendered. *shrug*

This seems paradoxical to me.

Then again, "academic feminist" is usually the nicest way of saying "transphobic sack of shiat" in my personal lexicon.

/Trans
//Ex-Feminist

LOL. That wasn't my experience. There was way more heterophobia than issues with trans folk. I actually got asked by my professor never to use the word "blowjob" in class because it made the other women uncomfortable. The prof was cool, so when I looked at her weird she went, I know I know, school regs, I have to say something.

I just call myself a feminist. You can add whatever label you want to that.

/more interested in true reproductive choice, for example, not just the right to choose an abortion, but the right to have a child and NOT have it effect your economic status
//having a child is the greatest predictor of bankruptcy in the U.S. That's just stupid. (Source: Elizabeth Warren, Two-Income Trap, yes THAT Elizabeth Warren)


Geese, can we get a trigger warning before you type words like that?

And I never put two and two together. I'd heard of the book, but I did realize the author. Neat.

I like her more.
 
2013-12-13 03:00:17 AM

sendtodave: Geese, can we get a trigger warning before you type words like that?


mothergoosesmiles.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-13 03:03:04 AM

sendtodave: Geese, can we get a trigger warning before you type words like that?


Okay, when the hell did "trigger" become so prevalent? I swear, in 30 years I'd never heard it. Now in two months, I must have heard it 20 times?
 
2013-12-13 03:06:53 AM

Danger Avoid Death: sendtodave: Geese, can we get a trigger warning before you type words like that?


:D

Autocorrect is fin.
 
2013-12-13 03:07:42 AM

DebinCO: I've spent all my life in academia.


The hell you say.
 
2013-12-13 03:16:37 AM

sendtodave: Danger Avoid Death: sendtodave: Geese, can we get a trigger warning before you type words like that?

:D

Autocorrect is fin.


Personally, I lobe it.
 
2013-12-13 04:00:07 AM

sendtodave: impaler: Sergeant Grumbles: Hearing "What's your excuse for being fat?" from the wife of a soccer star who can spend the day at home working out sounds pretty much exactly like Mitt Romney telling the poor that they need to get an education or start a business by borrowing money from their parents. There's just a massive amount of ignorance that comes off as smugness, or vice versa, that ignores the reality a lot of people face. That kind of inconsiderate attitude can most definitely draw anger, but there's just enough truth behind the comment to be defensible.
That said, shaming is never a good motivator, whether it be shaming the viewer directly or shaming their actions, it's still a negative form of encouragement. There are better ways that could have been phrased that wouldn't have provoked anywhere near as much ire.

+1

Only post worth reading, IMO.

That's not funny or controversial or entertaining. It's... Just... Rational.

That's not what fark is for.


I thought the women folks were just catty till I read that and it kind of changed my mind about this entire thing. Not entirely, but definitely made me look at it a bit different.
 
2013-12-13 05:07:58 AM
First, it does seem a little strange that so much emphasis would be put on getting back into mating form ASAP once she's squeezed out a pup. I mean, unless she's in tight competition with other females for her mate, or for another potential mate.

Second, it seems as tho there's a very narrow definition of healthy at work here, one that only depends on fitness. Fit and healthy aren't always equivalent; in fact, they can be at odds more often than not. As fit as a lot of elite athletes may be, I'd be hesitant to call them healthy, especially given the myriad injuries that accompany performance at those levels. Additionally, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who are quite fit... and suffering from heart attacks, strokes, etc.

Last, I wonder if there's a skewed perception of what body fat percentages look like in real terms. This is a good article that provides pics and explanations for the various ranges. It's surprising wrt what we imagine looks fit.

Sample:

www.builtlean.com
 
2013-12-13 05:26:44 AM

rzrwiresunrise: First, it does seem a little strange that so much emphasis would be put on getting back into mating form ASAP once she's squeezed out a pup. I mean, unless she's in tight competition with other females for her mate, or for another potential mate.

Second, it seems as tho there's a very narrow definition of healthy at work here, one that only depends on fitness. Fit and healthy aren't always equivalent; in fact, they can be at odds more often than not. As fit as a lot of elite athletes may be, I'd be hesitant to call them healthy, especially given the myriad injuries that accompany performance at those levels. Additionally, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who are quite fit... and suffering from heart attacks, strokes, etc.

Last, I wonder if there's a skewed perception of what body fat percentages look like in real terms. This is a good article that provides pics and explanations for the various ranges. It's surprising wrt what we imagine looks fit.

Sample:

[www.builtlean.com image 400x273]


Interesting article.  Thanks for the link.

And I find the ladies in the 25% - 35% range the most attractive.
 
2013-12-13 06:17:57 AM

pushcart: Women with extra weight are hot. Biological determinism wires men to find them so. Look at ancient fertility figurines. Their shape signals fecundity and stimulates the male urge to procreate.


Those fertility figurines are also from a period in which malnutrition was likely to kill babies. Someone who was able to be that fat so long ago obviously had access to resources to prevent infant malnutrition.

For the people complaining about stay at home moms with the full resources of the Bat Credit Card:

It doesn't take a lot of time or money to stay fit and at a healthy weight. People also don't need to look like the woman regularly posted in this thread to be fit and at a healthy weight. Success isn't defined by the extremes. Being healthy and fit doesn't mean visible abs and the ability to run a full marathon.
 
2013-12-13 06:42:17 AM

ZeroCorpse: For all the Kim Kardashian lovers out there:

[www.gumbumper.com image 550x366]

Yum, right?


So, she has herpes. Everyone has it! (according to a lot of farkers, anyway).
 
2013-12-13 06:56:55 AM

rzrwiresunrise:  Last, I wonder if there's a skewed perception of what body fat percentages look like in real terms. This is a good article that provides pics and explanations for the various ranges. It's surprising wrt what we imagine looks fit.

Sample:

[www.builtlean.com image 400x273]


Great article, thanks!
BMI is a fouled up way of assessing fitness.

Too bad you had this: "there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who are quite fit... and suffering from heart attacks, strokes, etc."
Anecdotal evidence.  The best kind.  *rolles eyes*  There is solid evidence that ALS is more common in athletes.  Small price to pay for a greatly reduced incidence of heart disease, diabetes, and a host of other problems.
 
2013-12-13 07:45:14 AM

spamdog: What possible other explanation could there be for this?


I guess I'm the only one who read "explanation" as "ejaculation"?

/Funnier that way
//Off to get caffeine
///Slashies still "come" in threes
 
2013-12-13 08:01:25 AM
Applies then, applies today and will long into the future.
 
2013-12-13 08:04:27 AM
Anything that constantly reinforces the idea that a women can only be judged on their physical appearance and says that that value judgement is based on unrealistic photoshopped images can only be a good thing.

They might start getting better at blow jobs or trim their ladygarden to compensate for example.
 
2013-12-13 08:40:38 AM

rzrwiresunrise: First, it does seem a little strange that so much emphasis would be put on getting back into mating form ASAP once she's squeezed out a pup. I mean, unless she's in tight competition with other females for her mate, or for another potential mate.


For the gal ITFA, she IS in tight competition with other females for her mate.  She's got three kids and has a lot to do, a less than fully participating male might have extra time for an extra woman in that instance.

Her husband is wealthy, recognizable, and has status.  There are TONS of women that would put great effort into taking him away. He may even be very attractive.

Those women, are the ones getting pissed at her. She just killed not only their options, but also fantasies of finding some guy with money/fame/looks with a fat wife to take from the fat wife.

Nothing motivates women more than competing with other women.

/I gotta figure out how to leverage that....
 
2013-12-13 08:53:42 AM

serial_crusher: Nobody's fat because they eat too much.


Incorrect.
 
2013-12-13 09:08:01 AM

Frederick: rzrwiresunrise: First, it does seem a little strange that so much emphasis would be put on getting back into mating form ASAP once she's squeezed out a pup. I mean, unless she's in tight competition with other females for her mate, or for another potential mate.

Second, it seems as tho there's a very narrow definition of healthy at work here, one that only depends on fitness. Fit and healthy aren't always equivalent; in fact, they can be at odds more often than not. As fit as a lot of elite athletes may be, I'd be hesitant to call them healthy, especially given the myriad injuries that accompany performance at those levels. Additionally, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who are quite fit... and suffering from heart attacks, strokes, etc.

Last, I wonder if there's a skewed perception of what body fat percentages look like in real terms. This is a good article that provides pics and explanations for the various ranges. It's surprising wrt what we imagine looks fit.

Sample:

[www.builtlean.com image 400x273]

Interesting article.  Thanks for the link.

And I find the ladies in the 25% - 35% range the most attractive.


Glad you like...
That whole range between 25%-35% has been a series of wonderful adventures for me...
 
2013-12-13 09:25:18 AM

Laobaojun: rzrwiresunrise:  Last, I wonder if there's a skewed perception of what body fat percentages look like in real terms. This is a good article that provides pics and explanations for the various ranges. It's surprising wrt what we imagine looks fit.

Sample:

[www.builtlean.com image 400x273]

Great article, thanks!
BMI is a fouled up way of assessing fitness.

Too bad you had this: "there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who are quite fit... and suffering from heart attacks, strokes, etc."
Anecdotal evidence.  The best kind.  *rolles eyes*  There is solid evidence that ALS is more common in athletes.  Small price to pay for a greatly reduced incidence of heart disease, diabetes, and a host of other problems.


Considering such a study has that <i>eau de cum hoc</i> fragrance about it, I don't see that as any better than anecdotal evidence. And health isn't just about the heart disease either. Arthritis, torn ligaments, tendonitis, fractures, etc are all consequences of athletic training, and more often than not of over-training. My original point still applies: fitness isn't equivalent to health.
 
2013-12-13 09:33:22 AM
I just don't get people. I really, really don't.

This woman worked for her body. She reaped what she sowed. So yes, "what's your excuse?". American women seem to have pages and pages of them. My own sister, very obese, had been to tons of drs to get her thyroid tested because we have thyroid problems in the family, all drs told her her thyroid is fine, she's obese because of an extremely poor diet, but she still shopped drs until she found one that gave her thyroid meds JUST so she'd have an excuse. She still eats 5,000 calories or more a day, but "it's her thyroid".

When I'm pregnant I eat whatever the fark I want because eff you I'm pregnant, uncomfortable and good makes me happy. I gain on average 40 lbs. when I'm not pregnant I have a herd of children to taxi around, feed, and keep from being too traumatized lest their sense-of-humor-building dysfunction turn into something more severe like mental illness. I also have a fat husband. And, as already mentioned, genetic predisposition to being a fatty mcbutterpants.

But... BUT... I also have this amazing thing that apparently sold out of American shelves in 1985 and was immediately replaced by a book entitled "10,001 reasons why it's not your fault you're fat! -written and illustrated by Ronald McDonald"

This magical thing? It's called WILLPOWER. See, when I'm not pregnant I eat less, breastfeed, take my kids to the scary, scary outdoors, and even... Are you ready for this? MAKE FOOD THAT DOESNT INVOLVE A MICROWAVE OR A DRIVE THRU. It's a scary concept, I know. And blah blah blah to the "I'm so busy" bs-ers. Take the stairs. Pack a healthy lunch. Stop drinking soda (diet included). Make healthy dinner in a crockpot. Quit with the excuses.

I'm on crotchspawn #4 right now, 33 weeks baked, soothing my pregnancy woes with everything nabisco has ever injected lard into (read: Oreos). Why don't I look like fitness mom right now? Too lazy. My choice. My body is my responsibility. Next year at this time I hope to be back down to my pre-pregnancy 120lbs. But if im not? I'll just find someone else to blame. It's the American way!

You'll have to excuse typos, I'm on my autocorrect-obsessive phone.
 
2013-12-13 10:09:38 AM

Peki: /more interested in true reproductive choice, for example, not just the right to choose an abortion, but the right to have a child and NOT have it effect your economic status
//having a child is the greatest predictor of bankruptcy in the U.S. That's just stupid. (Source: Elizabeth Warren, Two-Income Trap, yes THAT Elizabeth Warren)


So all tax payers would get to be your sugardaddy. How about no. Does that work for you?
 
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