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2013-12-12 08:09:30 PM  
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2013-12-12 08:27:11 PM  
It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"
 
2013-12-12 08:46:17 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"


1: all selfies are of the "Look at me!" variety..
2: she has the right to be proud of her body, she is effing hot..
3: she didn't call anybody a fat lazy cow, or boast that she is better than anybody.. did you happen to read her whole "apology" article? the one where she correctly states that we are a fat country and it's bad for our health? the whole thing was about getting people to exercise some and eat better, it was all true, and good advice, but STILL people were crying "this hurts my poor wittle feewings!"
4: you sound fat...
 
2013-12-12 09:19:05 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"


This is the attitude that causes the rage.
Nobody's fat because they eat too much.  Nobody's fat because they have other priorities competing for time that could be spent exercising.  They're just not predisposed to lose weight quickly.
People who lose weight after pregnancy do so because of their lucky genetics, not because they spend several hours a day in the gym.
Anybody who says otherwise is a horrible feeling-hurting monster.

/ Fit Mom's secret wasn't even so much that she "lost weight quickly" as that she didn't use pregnancy as an excuse to let herself go.  She just didn't gain the weight to begin with.
 
2013-12-12 09:26:38 PM  

Olo Manolo: Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"

1: all selfies are of the "Look at me!" variety..
2: she has the right to be proud of her body, she is effing hot..
3: she didn't call anybody a fat lazy cow, or boast that she is better than anybody.. did you happen to read her whole "apology" article? the one where she correctly states that we are a fat country and it's bad for our health? the whole thing was about getting people to exercise some and eat better, it was all true, and good advice, but STILL people were crying "this hurts my poor wittle feewings!"
4: you sound fat...


I bet you think you are often misunderstood.
 
2013-12-12 09:28:29 PM  
I notice that it's almost always actresses, fitness models, and fitness bloggers who end up losing the weight quickly.  If it were my job to be in insanely good shape and I was paid enough so I didn't have to do anything but workout and eat perfectly, I would probably have those abs too.
 
2013-12-12 09:32:07 PM  
My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it
 
2013-12-12 09:38:41 PM  

Peki: My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it


That's a very strange view of this.  Being fit is important for a lot of reasons that don't involve sex.
And it's important for men to be fit too.
Seriously, of all the conspiracies the patriarchy has perpetrated, engineering Fit Mom has to be one of the most benign.
 
2013-12-12 09:41:24 PM  

Peki: My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it


Who do you think is most often placing value on a woman's sex appeal -men or women?  In this example the woman clearly has attributed her value to her sex appeal.
 
2013-12-12 09:46:21 PM  

Frederick: Who do you think is most often placing value on a woman's sex appeal -men or women?  In this example the woman clearly has attributed her value to her sex appeal.


Chicken and egg question. They perpetuate it equally, and I don't really care who started it.
 
2013-12-12 10:26:17 PM  
What possible other explanation could there be for this?
 
2013-12-12 10:30:30 PM  
Should be hard to feel jealous, though, when taken into account all these celebs have ten of thousands of dollars in makeup, teams of makeup artists, and more of a percentile per square inch of air-brushing than a Geiger painting.

I'd love to see Kardashian or Beyonce get those post-pregnancy figures on WIC, food stamps, and the only exercise is chasing baby daddy outta the house to go job hunting and hitting the food pantry every few weeks.
 
2013-12-12 10:33:44 PM  
I would guess most pregnant females prioritize their baby over their own attractiveness. Strangers who insist otherwise can suck it.
 
2013-12-12 10:35:55 PM  
Olo Manolo: Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"

1: all selfies are of the "Look at me!" variety..
2: she has the right to be proud of her body, she is effing hot..
3: she didn't call anybody a fat lazy cow, or boast that she is better than anybody.. did you happen to read her whole "apology" article? the one where she correctly states that we are a fat country and it's bad for our health? the whole thing was about getting people to exercise some and eat better, it was all true, and good advice, but STILL people were crying "this hurts my poor wittle feewings!"
4: you sound fat...


This.
What she said was "What's your excuse?"  Given that one of the top three reasons that Americans 17-25 are unfit for military service is obesity, she's right.  So what is your excuse?
 
2013-12-12 10:36:45 PM  
Yeah, those were all selfies alright.  You've got a real eye for identifying selfies and you really nailed it.
 
2013-12-12 10:37:31 PM  
This is the first time I've ever seen this image, I'm sorry that I feel no rage for you to be outraged about.

I also don't think it tells women to plop a kid out and immediately head for the treadmill so they can be sexy again. That's not a particularly sexy picture. She's hot, but she's also surrounded by toddlers. Get fit to be fit. If it makes you feel sexy, well then bonus. If you feel unsexy because you're not fit, either work on your physical fitness or work on your mental fitness. Either way, that's your issue, not hers.
 
2013-12-12 10:37:57 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"


Ya pretty much. It also is a massive lack of understanding for people who say "Oh anyone can do that." No, not so much. For one, not everyone has time to spend working out much. Yes, everyone can find time to do a little exercise, 30-60 mins maybe, a day. However they can't spend hours working out. Turns out that if you have a full time job, do a good job as a parent, and keep up a household, you don't have a ton of spare time. The woman that started all this is a "mom and fitness blogger" married to a soccer star. In other words: A stay at home mom who spends her time working out. Great, but don't go telling a teacher that works 8+ hours a day, whose spouse also works, that they should have the same time to spend.

Also genetics really plays a big role. Anyone can lose weight, but some people really do have a much easier time of it. So bragging that you have a easy time of losing weight because you have genetics that allows it is rather silly. It is funny to me how people will easily accept that no matter how hard they work, they can never be a pro athlete because they don't have the genetics, but that they think it only plays on that level. No, it goes all the way down. Some people have an easy time maintaining a healthy weight, some have a really hard time. If you have an easy time, wonderful, but recognize it for what it is. Don't assume it is that easy for everyone.

I have a lot more respect for a working mom who manages to keep herself in reasonable shape, despite having to work a job and spend time being a good parent, than a "fitness blogger" and "instagram star" that can spend large portions of the day working out who looks great.
 
2013-12-12 10:39:46 PM  
I'd venture that the success of Girls is due to the opposite of this effect. Lena Dunham is obese and women want someone in the media who is fatter than they are and better yet star on a TV show. Mindy Kaling does the same thing and then casts handsome thin actors to play her love intersts and she's even fatter than Lena.
 
2013-12-12 10:41:00 PM  

Peki: Frederick: Who do you think is most often placing value on a woman's sex appeal -men or women?  In this example the woman clearly has attributed her value to her sex appeal.

Chicken and egg question. They perpetuate it equally, and I don't really care who started it.


Being attractive is bad, and anyone who disagrees is bad.

Huh.
 
2013-12-12 10:43:43 PM  
Well, sorry...but there's no reason to pack on 70-80 pounds when you're pregnant. The 30 pounds your doctor "gave" you are plenty. And if you exercise moderately (or even lightly), you'll go back to your pre-pregnancy weight within a year IF you breast feed. Given that most women don't, I am not surprised that a lot of you fathers are stunned and outraged by what your woman has become.

And, ladies, before you get your outrage on, I was one of those who put on too much weight. Took me two years even with the breast feeding to drop the excess weight, but I started working out as soon as I could and got down to an almost normal weight within 4 months, but still overweight. The rest of it was just me being lazy and on maternity leave.

This: just because you had a baby doesn't mean you get to hog out and become Jabba the Hut. The baby doesn't care; your partner does.

Menfolk: amirite?

::shiat::, this was supposed to go on Reddit. Oh well...if I've saved one marriage, I'm happy.  :-)
 
2013-12-12 10:43:59 PM  

sycraft: Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"

Ya pretty much. It also is a massive lack of understanding for people who say "Oh anyone can do that." No, not so much. For one, not everyone has time to spend working out much. Yes, everyone can find time to do a little exercise, 30-60 mins maybe, a day. However they can't spend hours working out. Turns out that if you have a full time job, do a good job as a parent, and keep up a household, you don't have a ton of spare time. The woman that started all this is a "mom and fitness blogger" married to a soccer star. In other words: A stay at home mom who spends her time working out. Great, but don't go telling a teacher that works 8+ hours a day, whose spouse also works, that they should have the same time to spend.

Also genetics really plays a big role. Anyone can lose weight, but some people really do have a much easier time of it. So bragging that you have a easy time of losing weight because you have genetics that allows it is rather silly. It is funny to me how people will easily accept that no matter how hard they work, they can never be a pro athlete because they don't have the genetics, but that they think it only plays on that level. No, it goes all the way down. Some people have an easy time maintaining a healthy weight, some have a really hard time. If you have an easy time, wonderful, but recognize it for what it is. Don't assume it is that easy for everyone.

I have a lot more respect for a working mom who manages to keep herself in reasonable shape, despite having to work a job and spend time being a good parent, than a "fitness blogger" and "instagram star" that can spend large portions of the day working out who looks great.


That's like saying that you respect a pudgy guy that finds time to get to the gym sometimes more than a professional bodybuilder.

Admirable!

But they don't have average pudgy guy competitions.
 
2013-12-12 10:44:47 PM  
From the pics, it appears that these women have ambitions of a job in show business. I do not see many tubbies in the movies.
 
2013-12-12 10:44:59 PM  

Peki: "Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex ..."


They can also make sammiches.

/*ducks*
 
2013-12-12 10:45:35 PM  

Peki: My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it


Yeah...what the fark are you on about?

Okay, I'm a guy, but...what are you saying?  That a physically fit woman is only that way because she wants sex?

Did you just call Maria Kang a whore?

Seriously, what the fark???

Just because it needs to be repeated, let's blockquote it:

"There are several things that keep me motivated. Firstly, having a mother who suffered from being overweight, having diabetes and heart disease really made me passionate about seeking holistic solutions to her personal weight problems. I experienced firsthand not only the mental and physical damage being unhealthy does to a person, but I also recognized the discrimination many overweight people faced because of their public image. And I, like everyone else, is susceptible to falling into negative patterns that can cause weight gain. Secondly, I also stay motivated by constantly setting goals: whether it be for a competition, a party, a vacation, a race...anything! I think it's important to keep focused towards an unreachable target whenever you're trying to achieve anything in life."

Wat...I don't know about anyone else, but  fark yesI want my daughters to care about their health.  If a physically attractive woman can do it, then so be it.  Diabetes and heart disease runs in the family, and at 38 I've already fallen victim to one of those.

To hell with Fat Acceptance.  You have a First World Problem disease if you're fat or obese.  Yes, a  disease.  At least a third of the children in the world--what, 600 million?--don't have access to clean water and regular meals, and y'all are biatching because a fitness enthusiast makes you feel bad for eating cookies.

Having said all that...I am a fat, lazy fark.

/brb, going to go lift weights now
 
2013-12-12 10:47:12 PM  

sendtodave: Peki: Frederick: Who do you think is most often placing value on a woman's sex appeal -men or women?  In this example the woman clearly has attributed her value to her sex appeal.

Chicken and egg question. They perpetuate it equally, and I don't really care who started it.

Being attractive is bad, and anyone who disagrees is bad.

Huh.


What? How in the heck do you get that from what I've said?
 
2013-12-12 10:47:50 PM  

theMightyRegeya: Peki: My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it

Yeah...what the fark are you on about?

Okay, I'm a guy, but...what are you saying?  That a physically fit woman is only that way because she wants sex?

Did you just call Maria Kang a whore?

Seriously, what the fark???

Just because it needs to be repeated, let's blockquote it:

"There are several things that keep me motivated. Firstly, having a mother who suffered from being overweight, having diabetes and heart disease really made me passionate about seeking holistic solutions to her personal weight problems. I experienced firsthand not only the mental and physical damage being unhealthy does to a person, but I also recognized the discrimination many overweight people faced because of their public image. And I, like everyone else, is susceptible to falling into negative patterns that can cause weight gain. Secondly, I also stay motivated by constantly setting goals: whether it be for a competition, a party, a vacation, a race...anything! I think it's important to keep focused towards an unreachable target whenever you're trying to achieve anything in life."

Wat...I don't know about anyone else, but  fark yesI want my daughters to care about their health.  If a physically attractive woman can do it, then so be it.  Diabetes and heart disease runs in the family, and at 38 I've already fallen victim to one of those.

To hell with Fat Acceptance.  You have a First World Problem disease if you're fat or obese.  Yes, a  disease.  At least a third of the children in the world--what, 600 million?--don't have access to clean water and regular meals, and y'all are biatching because a fitness enthusiast makes you feel bad for eating cookies.

Having said all that...I am a fat, lazy fark.

/brb, going to go lift weights now


You only think that you are fat because patriarchy.
 
2013-12-12 10:47:52 PM  
img.fark.net

At the last Make-A-Wish event I did, I dressed as Gru and sent my daughter this, who has been known to do "selfies".
I asked her if I was doing it right.
In the bathroom, ducky lips, holding  the phone up to the mirror and a peace sign.
 
2013-12-12 10:48:10 PM  

Anne.Uumellmahaye: This is the first time I've ever seen this image, I'm sorry that I feel no rage for you to be outraged about.

I also don't think it tells women to plop a kid out and immediately head for the treadmill so they can be sexy again. That's not a particularly sexy picture. She's hot, but she's also surrounded by toddlers. Get fit to be fit. If it makes you feel sexy, well then bonus. If you feel unsexy because you're not fit, either work on your physical fitness or work on your mental fitness. Either way, that's your issue, not hers.


This too.
As a guy who is fighting genetics, I sympathize, but surrender is lame.  Fit is sexy, but fit is also fit.  I have never heard of someone who was fit, but didn't feel sexy. Anorexic is not fit, and low BMI with no muscle tone is not fit, and it really does not take that much time out of your week to stay fit.
If this photo made you feel bad, get off your butt, cut the portions down, and stop feeling unfit.
 
2013-12-12 10:50:40 PM  
Fatties are going to hate...........oh, and eat ice cream.
 
2013-12-12 10:50:51 PM  

sendtodave: But they don't have average pudgy guy competitions.


I bet fark would have tons of winners.  Perhaps their could be a talent portion "Not only am I pudgy but I can troll with the best of them!"
 
2013-12-12 10:53:07 PM  

Peki: sendtodave: Peki: Frederick: Who do you think is most often placing value on a woman's sex appeal -men or women?  In this example the woman clearly has attributed her value to her sex appeal.

Chicken and egg question. They perpetuate it equally, and I don't really care who started it.

Being attractive is bad, and anyone who disagrees is bad.

Huh.

What? How in the heck do you get that from what I've said?


Funny.  I was going to say the exact same thing.

Being attractive is not bad.  Placing your self worth (or value) on being attractive is bad; is the point I'm trying to make.
 
2013-12-12 10:55:14 PM  

Frederick: Peki: sendtodave: Peki: Frederick: Who do you think is most often placing value on a woman's sex appeal -men or women?  In this example the woman clearly has attributed her value to her sex appeal.

Chicken and egg question. They perpetuate it equally, and I don't really care who started it.

Being attractive is bad, and anyone who disagrees is bad.

Huh.

What? How in the heck do you get that from what I've said?

Funny.  I was going to say the exact same thing.

Being attractive is not bad.  Placing your self worth (or value) on being attractive is bad; is the point I'm trying to make.


... Why is that?

People tend to put value on what they are good at. Some people are good at looking good. They shouldn't value that? That shouldn't be an important part of their self identity?
 
2013-12-12 10:55:55 PM  

Gergesa: sendtodave: But they don't have average pudgy guy competitions.

I bet fark would have tons of winners.  Perhaps their could be a talent portion "Not only am I pudgy but I can troll with the best of them!"


Already have that shiat locked down.
 
2013-12-12 10:56:13 PM  

Peki: "Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it


All right, so it's a second response, but I felt the need to add something on top of questioning why physically fit==whore (or something.)

Why is it, when I see one of these things admonishing someone for posting physical fitness selfies, it's always a  womanwho is  shamed for  doing what she wants with her body and being proud of it?
 
2013-12-12 10:57:07 PM  
After I had my first daughter my body decided my thyroid was an intruder and attacked it, so now I have a partially functional one and it was hard as fark to lose weight and keep it off.  Even to this day I can't get my thyroid levels to be normal...sigh.
 
2013-12-12 10:58:13 PM  
If you are fat months after you've given birth you are disgusting.
 
2013-12-12 10:58:45 PM  
Laobaojun:   I have never heard of someone who was fit, but didn't feel sexy.

Thereare lots of people who have fit bodies but who have homely faces, or are short, or very tall, who don't ever feel sexy, despite having otherwise attractive, fit bodies.
 
2013-12-12 10:59:08 PM  

serial_crusher: People who lose weight after pregnancy do so because of their lucky genetics


Amazingly, more and more of America is just unlucky genetically I guess.
 
2013-12-12 10:59:26 PM  

Fathym: After I had my first daughter my body decided my thyroid was an intruder and attacked it, so now I have a partially functional one and it was hard as fark to lose weight and keep it off.  Even to this day I can't get my thyroid levels to be normal...sigh.


That's terrible.

Say five Hail Mary's and you will be absolved.

... That was a confession, right?
 
2013-12-12 11:00:37 PM  

Laobaojun: Anne.Uumellmahaye: This is the first time I've ever seen this image, I'm sorry that I feel no rage for you to be outraged about.

I also don't think it tells women to plop a kid out and immediately head for the treadmill so they can be sexy again. That's not a particularly sexy picture. She's hot, but she's also surrounded by toddlers. Get fit to be fit. If it makes you feel sexy, well then bonus. If you feel unsexy because you're not fit, either work on your physical fitness or work on your mental fitness. Either way, that's your issue, not hers.

This too.
As a guy who is fighting genetics, I sympathize, but surrender is lame.  Fit is sexy, but fit is also fit.  I have never heard of someone who was fit, but didn't feel sexy. Anorexic is not fit, and low BMI with no muscle tone is not fit, and it really does not take that much time out of your week to stay fit.
If this photo made you feel bad, get off your butt, cut the portions down, and stop feeling unfit.


And if you check out her website, she explains why she's physically fit.

For someone who says she's a feminist, that poster is awfully judgemental.

And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!  Even feminists shame women for it now!  I guess body shaming's okay if you do the mental gymnastics to say that physically fit women==appeasing the patriarchy and that physically fit women==body-shaming people who aren't physically fit...
 
2013-12-12 11:00:57 PM  

sendtodave: People tend to put value on what they are good at. Some people are good at looking good. They shouldn't value that? That shouldn't be an important part of their self identity?


Those are called models, and they have something called photoshop.

This picture? It ignores the social structures behind the woman that allow her to have that body.

LadyHawke: I notice that it's almost always actresses, fitness models, and fitness bloggers who end up losing the weight quickly.  If it were my job to be in insanely good shape and I was paid enough so I didn't have to do anything but workout and eat perfectly, I would probably have those abs too.


This touches on it.

theMightyRegeya: All right, so it's a second response, but I felt the need to add something on top of questioning why physically fit==whore (or something.)


I don't think physical fitness = whore. I think a selfie of your ultrafit body four days after birth (that you KNOW other women can't have)   = AW who knows she's destroying other women's self-esteem.
 
2013-12-12 11:02:03 PM  

Peki: sendtodave: People tend to put value on what they are good at. Some people are good at looking good. They shouldn't value that? That shouldn't be an important part of their self identity?

Those are called models, and they have something called photoshop.

This picture? It ignores the social structures behind the woman that allow her to have that body.

LadyHawke: I notice that it's almost always actresses, fitness models, and fitness bloggers who end up losing the weight quickly.  If it were my job to be in insanely good shape and I was paid enough so I didn't have to do anything but workout and eat perfectly, I would probably have those abs too.

This touches on it.

theMightyRegeya: All right, so it's a second response, but I felt the need to add something on top of questioning why physically fit==whore (or something.)

I don't think physical fitness = whore. I think a selfie of your ultrafit body four days after birth (that you KNOW other women can't have)   = AW who knows she's destroying other women's self-esteem.


Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?
 
2013-12-12 11:02:34 PM  

Peki: Those are called models, and they have something called photoshop.


hahahahahahah

oh dear
 
2013-12-12 11:02:41 PM  

theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!


Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.
 
2013-12-12 11:04:11 PM  

Peki: sendtodave: People tend to put value on what they are good at. Some people are good at looking good. They shouldn't value that? That shouldn't be an important part of their self identity?

Those are called models, and they have something called photoshop.

This picture? It ignores the social structures behind the woman that allow her to have that body.

LadyHawke: I notice that it's almost always actresses, fitness models, and fitness bloggers who end up losing the weight quickly.  If it were my job to be in insanely good shape and I was paid enough so I didn't have to do anything but workout and eat perfectly, I would probably have those abs too.

This touches on it.

theMightyRegeya: All right, so it's a second response, but I felt the need to add something on top of questioning why physically fit==whore (or something.)

I don't think physical fitness = whore. I think a selfie of your ultrafit body four days after birth (that you KNOW other women can't have)   = AW who knows she's destroying other women's self-esteem.


Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?

That doesn't make sense. No, it's based on how they feel that they look.

You're saying that we we get rid of food looking people, more women would feel better about themselves, basically.

Everyone gets a medal!
 
2013-12-12 11:04:59 PM  

Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.


I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.
 
2013-12-12 11:05:26 PM  

sendtodave: Fathym: After I had my first daughter my body decided my thyroid was an intruder and attacked it, so now I have a partially functional one and it was hard as fark to lose weight and keep it off.  Even to this day I can't get my thyroid levels to be normal...sigh.

That's terrible.

Say five Hail Mary's and you will be absolved.

... That was a confession, right?


Yes, I'm confessing it is hard to lose weight and even so, there is little reason to remain a cow after you have given birth and then be all pissy when they see others who lose the weight and show it off.  But people are lazy, life is hard, etc
 
2013-12-12 11:06:29 PM  
And no, that wasn't a typo.

I like food looking people.

/sounds fat
 
2013-12-12 11:06:37 PM  

Peki: Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic


That isn't porn.  Unless there is another picture you are referring to.
 
2013-12-12 11:06:56 PM  
I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?
 
2013-12-12 11:08:15 PM  

voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?


But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?
 
2013-12-12 11:08:55 PM  

sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?


You will probably need money or a scholarship also.
 
2013-12-12 11:09:35 PM  

sendtodave: Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.

I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.


Why? If I have a porn stash, so should he.

/just makes it easy and convenient that it's the same stash

sendtodave: Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?


What? You don't feel a little self-conscious every time a successful looking guy driving your dream car comes on TV? You don't feel that pull, that social gaze, judging you, telling you that you aren't good enough? You don't see the muscular, trim dudes, then look in the mirror and not feel a little down?

Guys, quit acting like peer pressure doesn't work on you too.
 
2013-12-12 11:10:00 PM  

Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.


And maybe a little intelligence?
 
2013-12-12 11:10:28 PM  

theMightyRegeya: And if you check out her website, she explains why she's physically fit.


It's also pretty cool that she helps other people achieve their goals.  And good on her.

For the rest of y'all; "Always with the negative waves, Moriarity! ... Why can you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"
 
2013-12-12 11:10:49 PM  
sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.
 
2013-12-12 11:10:49 PM  

LadyHawke: I notice that it's almost always actresses, fitness models, and fitness bloggers who end up losing the weight quickly.  If it were my job to be in insanely good shape and I was paid enough so I didn't have to do anything but workout and eat perfectly, I would probably have those abs too.


There's a lot of factors at work here, let's face it.

There are some women who take the whole "Hey, I'm eating for TWO!" thing as an excuse to pack on 50 lbs for a pregnancy - which is way more than you need to from the get go - IIRC, a healthy gain is like 20-25 lbs or a bit more.  You don't have to double your normal intake for nine months.

I think that Post Partum depression is a big factor too for some women - my wife had it pretty bad for a couple months.

The point about seeing fitness nuts and celebs whose sole job is to look good - well yea - imagine how many hours a day these gals worked out prior to, during and probably shortly after giving birth?  Plus, for the rich celebs, top notch medical care during to insure eating enough but not too much, a chef to prepare you meals - etc.  Sweet life?  Must make it easier anyway.

I'm not going to comment on the 'letting yourself go' - I'm a guy and gained a ton of weight over a few years and lost it with great effort, so I know about that problem.  I blame a job that just sucked my soul out, and had me working too many hours in a swivel chair.

And if you are pissed by seeing those pics, well, think of them as an object lesson in how it CAN be done, if you are motivated.
 
2013-12-12 11:11:28 PM  

Peki: sendtodave: Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.

I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.

Why? If I have a porn stash, so should he.

/just makes it easy and convenient that it's the same stash

sendtodave: Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?

What? You don't feel a little self-conscious every time a successful looking guy driving your dream car comes on TV? You don't feel that pull, that social gaze, judging you, telling you that you aren't good enough? You don't see the muscular, trim dudes, then look in the mirror and not feel a little down?

Guys, quit acting like peer pressure doesn't work on you too.


My gut response is usually "so, what, pretty boy, you think you're better than me or something? Huh?"

Because I don't.
 
2013-12-12 11:12:03 PM  

Anne.Uumellmahaye: This is the first time I've ever seen this image, I'm sorry that I feel no rage for you to be outraged about.

I also don't think it tells women to plop a kid out and immediately head for the treadmill so they can be sexy again. That's not a particularly sexy picture. She's hot, but she's also surrounded by toddlers. Get fit to be fit. If it makes you feel sexy, well then bonus. If you feel unsexy because you're not fit, either work on your physical fitness or work on your mental fitness. Either way, that's your issue, not hers.


Totally.  Why do women get soooo frickin' bananas about a woman posting pics of herself?  She feels good about her body, not bad about yours.  Catty.  It gets out of control sometimes.
 
2013-12-12 11:13:02 PM  

Olo Manolo: Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"

1: all selfies are of the "Look at me!" variety..
2: she has the right to be proud of her body, she is effing hot..
3: she didn't call anybody a fat lazy cow, or boast that she is better than anybody.. did you happen to read her whole "apology" article? the one where she correctly states that we are a fat country and it's bad for our health? the whole thing was about getting people to exercise some and eat better, it was all true, and good advice, but STILL people were crying "this hurts my poor wittle feewings!"
4: you sound fat...


Being fat often goes hand in hand with depression.  Insulting somebody who is depressed and/or fat is not a good way to motivate someone,  In fact it will often make the situation worse.
 
2013-12-12 11:13:22 PM  
One of these women if not both was actually a beauty queen to begin with, who could never quite nake it all the eay at the national level.


So i doubt it's just about being fit. It is about her marketing herself and implying (albeit with plausible deniability) that others who dont have the beauty queen look have failed in some way and,are making excuses.

It was also a dumb business move, because i doubt she got the intended effect of het attention whoring endeavors. If i was looking for a trainer, she wouldnt be someone i would feel very motivated by (and i do cardio bootcamp and bikram yoga with some real bad asses. )
 
2013-12-12 11:13:23 PM  

TastyEloi: sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.


So, intelligent people shouldn't be proud of their intelligence, ambitious people shouldn't be proud of their ambition, friendly people shouldn't be proud of their ability to make friends....

Unless they worked real hard?

We should only be proud of our dump stats?
 
2013-12-12 11:13:35 PM  

Fathym: And maybe a little intelligence?


For some reason your response brought to mind a story one of my professors told:

A mathematician had to go to some conference in Nevada for whatever reason and his wife badgered him into bringing her with him.  Once he completed the conference he went home.  However, he neglected to bring his wife back with him as he was absent minded.  Not sure if she ever went on a trip with him again.
 
2013-12-12 11:14:27 PM  

Fathym: Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.

And maybe a little intelligence?


How little? I might qualify.
 
2013-12-12 11:16:09 PM  

Peki: What? You don't feel a little self-conscious every time a successful looking guy driving your dream car comes on TV? You don't feel that pull, that social gaze, judging you, telling you that you aren't good enough? You don't see the muscular, trim dudes, then look in the mirror and not feel a little down?

Guys, quit acting like peer pressure doesn't work on you too.


You sound like you are projecting some onto sendtodave.
 
2013-12-12 11:16:49 PM  

sendtodave: TastyEloi: sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.

So, intelligent people shouldn't be proud of their intelligence, ambitious people shouldn't be proud of their ambition, friendly people shouldn't be proud of their ability to make friends....

Unless they worked real hard?

We should only be proud of our dump stats?


I think what he's saying is that the only pride that everyone respects is hard work. You can be proud of your talents but no one gives a shiat unless you produce something exceptional with them.
 
2013-12-12 11:17:01 PM  

sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?


No. I would not say that someone with an IQ of 100 can get a phd.

Nor would i assume that there is,something wrong with someone who can't get a GRE score in the 90th percentile to get admitted to a legit phd program.
 
2013-12-12 11:18:03 PM  

cretinbob: [blog.zap2it.com image 550x347]


Just watched that ep. Funniest thing they've done in 4 years.

/not a hobbit
 
2013-12-12 11:18:53 PM  

sendtodave: Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.

I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.


And that's not even of a naked woman. This is that "I'm a fit mom with my kids" pic right? WTF
 
2013-12-12 11:19:21 PM  

TastyEloi: Laobaojun:   I have never heard of someone who was fit, but didn't feel sexy.

Thereare lots of people who have fit bodies but who have homely faces, or are short, or very tall, who don't ever feel sexy, despite having otherwise attractive, fit bodies.


I am short, and slightly overweight.

My wife prefers hard bodies.

I'm not losing sleep over it. Because I know I'm sexy as hell.
 
2013-12-12 11:21:06 PM  

dr_blasto: sendtodave: Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.

I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.

And that's not even of a naked woman. This is that "I'm a fit mom with my kids" pic right? WTF


In his defense, he didn't notice that there were kids in the pic at first. I had to point them out.
 
2013-12-12 11:21:35 PM  

Frederick: Olo Manolo: Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"

1: all selfies are of the "Look at me!" variety..
2: she has the right to be proud of her body, she is effing hot..
3: she didn't call anybody a fat lazy cow, or boast that she is better than anybody.. did you happen to read her whole "apology" article? the one where she correctly states that we are a fat country and it's bad for our health? the whole thing was about getting people to exercise some and eat better, it was all true, and good advice, but STILL people were crying "this hurts my poor wittle feewings!"
4: you sound fat...

I bet you think you are often misunderstood.



not sure what relevance that could possibly have... refute anything I said, then come back with your attempts to belittle. I make decisions based on reality, not people's feelings.. but since the states are so fluent in snowflakery and "political correctness", we have to disguise the truth behind all of the candy coating that's necessary to coddle the hyper sensitive..

your poor wittle feewings don't shouldn't entitle you to dictate what other people can/can't say/do...


"sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will land you in a courtroom."
 
2013-12-12 11:21:36 PM  
Peki:Guys, quit acting like peer pressure doesn't work on you too.

It works on me; motivation to eat only a third of a restaurant portion and do sets of push-ups and sits-ups during commercials.

OTOH, I love walking around NYC.  I look at guys my age and feel pretty darn good about myself.

/and no cracks about the onion on my belt.
 
2013-12-12 11:22:04 PM  

Peki: dr_blasto: sendtodave: Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.

I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.

And that's not even of a naked woman. This is that "I'm a fit mom with my kids" pic right? WTF

In his defense, he didn't notice that there were kids in the pic at first. I had to point them out.


Iiiiiim not sure that's entirely the issue here.
 
2013-12-12 11:22:10 PM  

Peki: My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it


Nope, you are NOT a feminist. From one feminist since the 1960s to a wannabe, read a book. Should I post a reading list? :-/ Seriously, I shouldn't have to. But that's what feminism has become in the 21st century. You can say it, but it ain't true, girl-fren.

And I can't wait for the unwashed masses to say I'm a guy living in his parents' basement. I'm a woman of a "certain age" who has reaped all the benefits of what we struggled for in the 1960s and who worked her ass off for what you have now.  I had high hopes for us, until the Disco age turned us right back into "pretty girls who can shake their booties." Really.

You don't get to say you're a "feminist" until you have made a magnificent life for yourself without a man to prop you up and pay your freight. You don't get to call yourself a "feminist" until you have a 50-50 relationship with a partner. Sitting on your ass, overweight, and making your partner miserable has nothing to do with feminism. That's what we used to call "leeching." And I see so much of this with you younger people, I despair of what we tried to do so long ago.

It's not about being overweight. It's not about getting up in the middle of the night with an infant. It's not about anything but having a true partnership with a man or woman with whom you feel complete.

It's not about having a BrideZilla wedding. It's not about your family. It's not about who is going to take the dog out at 3 a.m. It's not about anything more than respecting your partner and understanding that you have to take care of yourself FOR yourself. Why would you ask your partner to overlook the obvious? That's what feminism is...was... all about.

Why would you think any differently if you claim to be a feminist? Seriously? Is everything we worked for just a catch-all phrase for you to be lazy and relying on a partner for your day-to-day existence?

That's not what I spent my life working for. You should be ashamed. Wake up! Geez Louise!  :-(
 
2013-12-12 11:22:20 PM  

voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?


They have bad genes, and aspergers, and adhd, and dyslexia, and somatic symptom disorder.


I don't care if you're fat and out of shape. Don't make up excuses about your genes and your thyroid. Just admit that you like to eat and are lazy like most of us.
 
2013-12-12 11:24:13 PM  
DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.
 
2013-12-12 11:25:27 PM  
Fwiw I respect them for their accomplishments.

But while being fit is a huge priority for me - one I am teaching my daughters,must be part of an overall lifestyle- investing the time and effort to be AS FIT AS HER is NOT my overarching priority.

I don't expect HER to invest all her time to publish several peer reviewed papers every year. I don't expect HER to get a patent or do 5 patient care volunteer visits to hospice patients per week.

I guess we all have some priorities qnd achievements,she never will so we should plaster ourselves and tag her on social media asking what her excuse is for not achieving enough. It would be motivational, right?
 
2013-12-12 11:26:26 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Fathym: Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.

And maybe a little intelligence?

How little? I might qualify.


DubtodaIll: sendtodave: TastyEloi: sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.

So, intelligent people shouldn't be proud of their intelligence, ambitious people shouldn't be proud of their ambition, friendly people shouldn't be proud of their ability to make friends....

Unless they worked real hard?

We should only be proud of our dump stats?

I think what he's saying is that the only pride that everyone respects is hard work. You can be proud of your talents but no one gives a shiat unless you produce something exceptional with them.


Actually, no, I don't think you can be proud of your talents, if you were born with them. If a skill or talent has been developed, then sure, be proud of it. But things like looks, intelligence, race, gender, are pretty much handed out by nature. I really don't see a whole lot of value in the notion of "pride"; it seems to cause more problems than it helps.
 
2013-12-12 11:26:46 PM  

serial_crusher: Nobody's fat because they have other priorities competing for time that could be spent exercising.


Well, there are also those who think exercise to the extent of having rock hard abs 4 days after having a kid or whatever is a waste of time that could be spent on more intellectual pursuits.

And by no means are all of those people fat.

Peki: My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it


Indeed.

DebinCO: And if you exercise moderately (or even lightly), you'll go back to your pre-pregnancy weight within a year IF you breast feed.


A few months to a year, yeah, that's more normal.

Meanwhile "pregorexia" is a problem.  There are people who are so paranoid about gaining weight while pregnant that they don't eat enough.  There's the "I don't want the baby to be too big" crowd, and the "Oh noez, I won't look sexxay right after having the kid" crowd, neither is really a good thing. You're supposed to gain weight (and then lose it, but not overnight) when preggers.
 
2013-12-12 11:26:50 PM  

Peki: DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.


Interesting.

An actual foot soldier in the feminist movement, versus a modern, academic feminist.
 
2013-12-12 11:27:19 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

They have bad genes, and aspergers, and adhd, and dyslexia, and somatic symptom disorder.


I don't care if you're fat and out of shape. Don't make up excuses about your genes and your thyroid. Just admit that you like to eat and are lazy like most of us.


There are phds with bad genes, aspergers (academia is full of them), adhd, dyslexia.

All excuses.
 
2013-12-12 11:29:20 PM  

sendtodave: Peki: DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.

Interesting.

An actual foot soldier in the feminist movement, versus a modern, academic feminist.


Not really a versus. We should have the same goals. I just don't see this as empowering women, I see it as perpetuating the same old structures.

/reading up on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd wave feminism would help here
 
2013-12-12 11:30:04 PM  
Doesn't anyone else see a huge difference between being fit and healthy, and being as extremely fit as these women BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JOB?
 
2013-12-12 11:31:03 PM  

Peki: DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.


Bwahahaha!!!

Wait....
Were you trolling or serious?
Cue the "not sure if serious" joker gif.
 
2013-12-12 11:32:02 PM  

voristrupp: Doesn't anyone else see a huge difference between being fit and healthy, and being as extremely fit as these women BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JOB?

Brought up earlier, but did not fit the narrative.

 
2013-12-12 11:34:27 PM  

Peki: DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.


Hah! Women's Studies? Are you serious???? Must've gone to a state school. :-)

Gosh, I wish I'd had you in my 20th Century American Women Writers' class in 1972...I would have failed you for hubris. But that's just me. Sorry about your chip...it's a big one. You must be so proud. So, what do you actually DO with that degree? Seriously. I'm curious!
 
2013-12-12 11:34:31 PM  

Laobaojun: Were you trolling or serious?


Sort of. It was my minor. My major was English. Lots of cross over though, so I probably could have double-majored if I'd wanted to. *shrug*

And yeah. Lots of reading. Lots and lots of reading.

/Butler, Wittig, Feinstein, Iriguary, Kessler, and classics like Steinem, MacKinnon and Daly
 
2013-12-12 11:34:43 PM  

voristrupp: Doesn't anyone else see a huge difference between being fit and healthy, and being as extremely fit as these women BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JOB?


Yes, absolutely.
 
2013-12-12 11:35:09 PM  
How about shutting the fark up and dealing with the situation.

If you want washboard abs work for it, if you are happy with your life as it is then you don't need to have a dialog about not having a perfect body.

Last time I checked most men don't have to have an article about self-acceptance that they are not wealthy and powerful.  But [some women] need to have self-affirmations that they are ok without the perfect body.

If you want it work for it, if you don't deal with life as it is.
 
2013-12-12 11:35:45 PM  

Peki: sendtodave: Peki: DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.

Interesting.

An actual foot soldier in the feminist movement, versus a modern, academic feminist.

Not really a versus. We should have the same goals. I just don't see this as empowering women, I see it as perpetuating the same old structures.

/reading up on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd wave feminism would help here


K. why not.

"Proponents of third-wave feminism claim that it allows women to define feminism for themselves by incorporating their own identities into the belief system of what feminism is and what it can become through one's own perspective. In the introduction to the idea of third-wave feminism in Manifesta, authors Jennifer Baumgardner and Amy Richards suggest that feminism can change with every generation and individual"

What the farking fark?

"Some third-wave feminists prefer not to call themselves feminists, as the word feminist can be misinterpreted as insensitive to the fluid notion of gender and the potential oppressions inherent in all gender roles, or perhaps misconstrued as exclusive or elitist by critics.[citation needed] Others have kept and redefined the term to include these ideas.[citation needed] Third-wave feminism seeks to challenge any universal definition of femininity."

Oh, you've got to be kidding me.

From what I know of 60 feminism, they fought for real change, equality.

This new stuff seems like feel-good, all inclusive pablum.
 
2013-12-12 11:35:47 PM  

voristrupp: There are phds with bad genes, aspergers (academia is full of them), adhd, dyslexia.

All excuses.


What!? How dare you degree shame me!
 
2013-12-12 11:36:15 PM  

DebinCO: Hah! Women's Studies? Are you serious???? Must've gone to a state school. :-)


Provincial, actually. University of Alberta. No subsidies for me!

DebinCO: So, what do you actually DO with that degree? Seriously. I'm curious!


Social justice work. I'm currently working on putting on a three-part "Transgender 101" series in Los Angeles.
 
2013-12-12 11:37:13 PM  

TastyEloi: Danger Avoid Death: Fathym: Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.

And maybe a little intelligence?

How little? I might qualify.

DubtodaIll: sendtodave: TastyEloi: sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.

So, intelligent people shouldn't be proud of their intelligence, ambitious people shouldn't be proud of their ambition, friendly people shouldn't be proud of their ability to make friends....

Unless they worked real hard?

We should only be proud of our dump stats?

I think what he's saying is that the only pride that everyone respects is hard work. You can be proud of your talents but no one gives a shiat unless you produce something exceptional with them.

Actually, no, I don't think you can be proud of your talents, if you were born with them. If a skill or talent has been developed, then sure, be proud of it. But things like looks, intelligence, race, gender, are pretty much handed out by nature. I really don't see a whole lot of value in the notion of "pride"; it seems to cause more problems than it helps.


Conceptualize however you wish but nothing makes a more natural leader than someone who is good looking smart and ethical.
 
2013-12-12 11:38:00 PM  

Peki: DebinCO: Hah! Women's Studies? Are you serious???? Must've gone to a state school. :-)

Provincial, actually. University of Alberta. No subsidies for me!

DebinCO: So, what do you actually DO with that degree? Seriously. I'm curious!

Social justice work. I'm currently working on putting on a three-part "Transgender 101" series in Los Angeles.


Does it focus primarily on hurt feelings?
 
2013-12-12 11:38:17 PM  
www.capitalbay.comWelp, guess I'll start.

Formatting's farked, I know. Know what else I know? Drunk and don't care.

i.perezhilton.com

/I don't even care if that woman in the second image had crotchfruit
//Going with GIS
 
2013-12-12 11:39:42 PM  

DubtodaIll: TastyEloi: Danger Avoid Death: Fathym: Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.

And maybe a little intelligence?

How little? I might qualify.

DubtodaIll: sendtodave: TastyEloi: sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.

So, intelligent people shouldn't be proud of their intelligence, ambitious people shouldn't be proud of their ambition, friendly people shouldn't be proud of their ability to make friends....

Unless they worked real hard?

We should only be proud of our dump stats?

I think what he's saying is that the only pride that everyone respects is hard work. You can be proud of your talents but no one gives a shiat unless you produce something exceptional with them.

Actually, no, I don't think you can be proud of your talents, if you were born with them. If a skill or talent has been developed, then sure, be proud of it. But things like looks, intelligence, race, gender, are pretty much handed out by nature. I really don't see a whole lot of value in the notion of "pride"; it seems to cause more problems than it helps.

Conceptualize however you wish but nothing makes a more natural leader than someone who is good looking smart and ethical.


Hell, we usually make do with good looking and smart. Or just smart.

...

Often none of those things, actually.

Wealthy works.
 
2013-12-12 11:40:06 PM  

sendtodave: Does it focus primarily on hurt feelings?


Nope. The whole thing is about perspective: how to look at everyday situations with a transgendered person's eyes.
 
2013-12-12 11:44:04 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Being fat often goes hand in hand with depression.  Insulting somebody who is depressed and/or fat is not a good way to motivate someone,  In fact it will often make the situation worse.


I'm not trying to motivate him, I don't particularly care what he does or doesn't do. He's like 70 years old, and most likely mature enough to know about the baseless name calling in an internet forum. My guess is he dismissed my snark towards him as drivel, and moved on with his life like any sane mature adult would.

/he could be the coolest guy I've never met, doesn't matter, he still gets the snark
//fact: people (including myself) take cheap shots over the internet for a quick laugh
 
2013-12-12 11:44:11 PM  
sendtodave
K. why not.
"Proponents of third-wave feminism claim that it allows women to define feminism for themselves by incorporating their own identities into the belief system of what feminism is and what it can become through one's own perspective. In the introduction to the idea of third-wave feminism in Manifesta, authors Jennifer Baumgardner and Amy Richards suggest that feminism can change with every generation and individual"
What the farking fark?
"Some third-wave feminists prefer not to call themselves feminists, as the word feminist can be misinterpreted as insensitive to the fluid notion of gender and the potential oppressions inherent in all gender roles, or perhaps misconstrued as exclusive or elitist by critics.[citation needed] Others have kept and redefined the term to include these ideas.[citation needed] Third-wave feminism seeks to challenge any universal definition of femininity."
Oh, you've got to be kidding me.
From what I know of 60 feminism, they fought for real change, equality.
This new stuff seems like feel-good, all inclusive pablum.


I think it is that many of the goals of second wave feminism [in western culture] have or will be reached within a this or the next generation and the only way to find things to be angry about to is complain about 20 year old games from a Japanese company.

So instead of going for gender equality and give of some of the good things that went with some of the bad things, find something to be angry about.
 
2013-12-12 11:45:55 PM  
Wasn't expecting the need for popcorn. Brb...gotta go see if the wife or daughters will throw some in the microwave for me.

/The Internet has turned some adults into drooling idiots
 
2013-12-12 11:47:29 PM  
All I have to say about this is that Kim Kardashian is not a good example of a nice post-pregnancy body. She's a fat-assed cow who looks like a partially-melted Bratz doll, despite having a personal trainer and all the money she could need to spend on beauty. Any woman who feels like they need to look like Kim Kardashian should know that many people find her ugly, fat-assed, and unpleasant in every way.

As for the others... Well, this is how women pick on each other. No matter how much pseudo-feminists want to rage about men embracing and endorsing an impossible female body image, the truth is that women do it to each other a lot more, and a with generally vicious intentions. These pictures are not for men; They're posted solely to be completely biatchy to other women... So I can understand the angry reaction.

And I've also lived long enough to know to stay the hell out of it.
 
2013-12-12 11:47:39 PM  
Hey mother, want another?
 
2013-12-12 11:47:53 PM  

Enemabag Jones: complain about 20 year old games from a Japanese company.


if you are referring to mario and saving princess peach, I believe he has been around for about 30 years now rather than 20.
 
2013-12-12 11:48:11 PM  

Peki: sendtodave: Does it focus primarily on hurt feelings?

Nope. The whole thing is about perspective: how to look at everyday situations with a transgendered person's eyes.



OMG. That is SO WRONG. Whatever the "everyday situations" are that you think are so important for you to see, it is NOT worth blinding ANYONE regardless of their gender.

/plus back-alley eye surgery is a dangerous game (see, e.g., the documentary "Minority Report")
 
2013-12-12 11:49:01 PM  

powhound: Wasn't expecting the need for popcorn. Brb...gotta go see if the wife or daughters will throw some in the microwave for me.

/The Internet has turned some adults into drooling idiots


Are you not entertained?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Is this not why you come here?
 
2013-12-12 11:50:12 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: OMG. That is SO WRONG. Whatever the "everyday situations" are that you think are so important for you to see, it is NOT worth blinding ANYONE regardless of their gender.


LOL
 
2013-12-12 11:50:21 PM  

Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.



The NSF will pay all your tuition and fees, plus give you $32,000/year, while you get your PhD.  They did for me!
 
2013-12-12 11:50:22 PM  

Peki: My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it


That poor, poor man.
 
2013-12-12 11:50:47 PM  

Enemabag Jones: How about shutting the fark up and dealing with the situation.

If you want washboard abs work for it, if you are happy with your life as it is then you don't need to have a dialog about not having a perfect body.

Last time I checked most men don't have to have an article about self-acceptance that they are not wealthy and powerful.  But [some women] need to have self-affirmations that they are ok without the perfect body.

If you want it work for it, if you don't deal with life as it is.


Favorited...
 
2013-12-12 11:52:45 PM  

Peki: dr_blasto: sendtodave: Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.

I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.

And that's not even of a naked woman. This is that "I'm a fit mom with my kids" pic right? WTF

In his defense, he didn't notice that there were kids in the pic at first. I had to point them out.


This sentence sounds like it's more for  your defense.
 
2013-12-12 11:53:50 PM  

Mentalenemasquad: Enemabag Jones: How about shutting the fark up and dealing with the situation.

If you want washboard abs work for it, if you are happy with your life as it is then you don't need to have a dialog about not having a perfect body.

Last time I checked most men don't have to have an article about self-acceptance that they are not wealthy and powerful.  But [some women] need to have self-affirmations that they are ok without the perfect body.

If you want it work for it, if you don't deal with life as it is.

Favorited...


I hope you have him farkied as patriarchy that perpetuates traditional gender roles!

Really now, assuming that women care more about looks, and men care more about wealth and power?

That's so last century.
 
2013-12-12 11:54:05 PM  
voristrupp:
I don't expect HER to invest all her time to publish several peer reviewed papers every year. I don't expect HER to get a patent or do 5 patient care volunteer visits to hospice patients per week.

I guess we all have some priorities qnd achievements,she never will so we should plaster ourselves and tag her on social media asking what her excuse is for not achieving enough. It would be motivational, right?



Yeah, that is a great idea. Every single one of the people that she tagged in that photo and singled out should tag her in photos pointing out her short comings...

You went to school for a long time, we get it.. Maybe if you went one more year you would have learned what "hypocrisy" means, and might not try to shame people for not living to your standard while denouncing that person for doing the same thing to other people...
 
2013-12-12 11:56:49 PM  
Sounds like some people have read too many books. My Mom said that.
 
2013-12-12 11:57:04 PM  

sendtodave: powhound: Wasn't expecting the need for popcorn. Brb...gotta go see if the wife or daughters will throw some in the microwave for me.

/The Internet has turned some adults into drooling idiots

Are you not entertained?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Is this not why you come here?


I come to Fark for the Rational Discussions! Except for that one tab, that shall not be mentioned.
 
2013-12-12 11:58:05 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

They have bad genes, and aspergers, and adhd, and dyslexia, and somatic symptom disorder.


Hasn't stopped me from doing a PhD.
 
2013-12-12 11:58:12 PM  

ZeroCorpse: These pictures are not for men; They're posted solely to be completely biatchy to other women... So I can understand the angry reaction.

And I've also lived long enough to know to stay the hell out of it.


It may not be out of biatchyness. You say you lived long enough to stay out of it, so lets assume you are over 25. How many guys have used the excuse of getting older to let themselves get out of shape? What if a guy who was 45 and in great shape posted a picture on a social media site and said I'm 47 what's your excuse? A 39 year old may find that motivating and decide that it is time to stop making excuses and get in shape.
 
2013-12-12 11:58:42 PM  

UGGOS DO NOT DESERVE AN APOLOGY FROM THEIR BETTERS

 
2013-12-12 11:58:55 PM  
Women with extra weight are hot. Biological determinism wires men to find them so. Look at ancient fertility figurines. Their shape signals fecundity and stimulates the male urge to procreate.
 
2013-12-12 11:59:40 PM  

powhound: sendtodave: powhound: Wasn't expecting the need for popcorn. Brb...gotta go see if the wife or daughters will throw some in the microwave for me.

/The Internet has turned some adults into drooling idiots

Are you not entertained?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Is this not why you come here?

I come to Fark for the Rational Discussions! Except for that one tab, that shall not be mentioned.


The tab that shall not be named keeps Orville Redenbacher in business.
 
2013-12-13 12:00:22 AM  

Enemabag Jones: How about shutting the fark up and dealing with the situation.

If you want washboard abs work for it, if you are happy with your life as it is then you don't need to have a dialog about not having a perfect body.

Last time I checked most men don't have to have an article about self-acceptance that they are not wealthy and powerful.  But [some women] need to have self-affirmations that they are ok without the perfect body.

If you want it work for it, if you don't deal with life as it is.


So much this. If seeing someone who is fit makes you feel bad about being fat, then get off your ass and do something about it. If you can accept your fatness and are comfortable with yourself, then good for you. Seeing a fit person won't make you feel bad. Work to overcome your flaws and insecurities, or accept them. Don't make excuses.

Which brings me to irony of all these people making excuses for their fatness in response to a poster asking "What's your excuse?" The poster isn't supposed to shame your fat. It's shaming your excuses. Sure, genetics allow her to be smoking hot after having kids, but if she can be that fit, you can at least reach the point of being "healthy."
 
2013-12-13 12:01:29 AM  
Guys, quit acting like peer pressure doesn't work on you too.

Yes, peer pressure works on us - but we recognize that those feelings of inadequacy are our own problem, not Ryan Goslings, and so we don't go around complaining about it.

If people make you feel bad, it doesn't necessarily mean they Did something bad.

Maybe the reason that they made you feel bad was because of you...  So if the problem's yours, then you should be complaining to yourself (improving yourself, resetting your values, etc.etc.), not complaining about other people.
 
2013-12-13 12:01:55 AM  

pushcart: Women with extra weight are hot. Biological determinism wires men to find them so. Look at ancient fertility figurines. Their shape signals fecundity and stimulates the male urge to procreate.


The countries with the highest brith rates disagree.
 
2013-12-13 12:03:14 AM  
Women aren't supposed to look attractive after they've given birth.

As far as nature is concerned, the good looks have done their job.  These are now be jettisoned in favor of a body more suitable for decades of sustained hard work raising kids.

/ by sucking the life out of their husbands.
 
2013-12-13 12:03:33 AM  

sendtodave: Mentalenemasquad: Enemabag Jones: How about shutting the fark up and dealing with the situation.

If you want washboard abs work for it, if you are happy with your life as it is then you don't need to have a dialog about not having a perfect body.

Last time I checked most men don't have to have an article about self-acceptance that they are not wealthy and powerful.  But [some women] need to have self-affirmations that they are ok without the perfect body.

If you want it work for it, if you don't deal with life as it is.

Favorited...

I hope you have him farkied as patriarchy that perpetuates traditional gender roles!

Really now, assuming that women care more about looks, and men care more about wealth and power?

That's so last century.


If you want the reward, do the work. It doesn't matter what century it is. The principle still applies ....
 
2013-12-13 12:04:37 AM  

Peki: Laobaojun: Were you trolling or serious?

Sort of. It was my minor. My major was English. Lots of cross over though, so I probably could have double-majored if I'd wanted to. *shrug*

And yeah. Lots of reading. Lots and lots of reading.

/Butler, Wittig, Feinstein, Iriguary, Kessler, and classics like Steinem, MacKinnon and Daly


Nice! You know how to use The Google! LOL

May I suggest some women writers from the 19th century? You'd be surprised. But you do "lots and lots of reading." Heh. Nope, not giving you a reading list. And I've got a Ph.D. Saw a LOT of you young, oh-so-serious women in my classes, to my everlasting despair. :-/

"Lots and lots of reading." So how did that translate to you being a "feminist" in the post-20th century? If you were even born then?

I suspect that, at usual, 99% of those who claim feminist "credentials" are those who read "Lots and lots." And never understood the driving force behind what we stood for, at our own peril, who challenged the status quo and made a very small change in our society.

Seriously, what have you done, as a "feminist," to change society?

Oh. I see. Nothing. And since this was about women getting fat during and after childbirth....many are claiming "OMG, I have a thyroid problem (which 90% of women DO NOT HAVE)" I guess we must part company here and I'll go grade some papers.

And my partner, who is looking over my shoulder, just said, "Why do you even try?"

I looked back at him and said, "If not me, who else?"

Do not trust the Google. If you are serious about "Womyn's" studies, let me know and I'll send you some links. But I've got a class of 30 who needs my attention, and you're just a phantom on the 'Tubes, a phantom who doesn't give us feminists a good name.

Back to the topic:

If you get fat, and blame it on the baby, you don't get to call yourself a feminist. You should care more about your body. And your partner. And the baby. That is all.
 
2013-12-13 12:05:05 AM  

sendtodave: powhound: sendtodave: powhound: Wasn't expecting the need for popcorn. Brb...gotta go see if the wife or daughters will throw some in the microwave for me.

/The Internet has turned some adults into drooling idiots

Are you not entertained?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Is this not why you come here?

I come to Fark for the Rational Discussions! Except for that one tab, that shall not be mentioned.

The tab that shall not be named keeps Orville Redenbacher in business.


Somebody should do an article about this and post it in the Business tab.
 
2013-12-13 12:05:27 AM  

theMightyRegeya: Laobaojun: Anne.Uumellmahaye: This is the first time I've ever seen this image, I'm sorry that I feel no rage for you to be outraged about.

I also don't think it tells women to plop a kid out and immediately head for the treadmill so they can be sexy again. That's not a particularly sexy picture. She's hot, but she's also surrounded by toddlers. Get fit to be fit. If it makes you feel sexy, well then bonus. If you feel unsexy because you're not fit, either work on your physical fitness or work on your mental fitness. Either way, that's your issue, not hers.

This too.
As a guy who is fighting genetics, I sympathize, but surrender is lame.  Fit is sexy, but fit is also fit.  I have never heard of someone who was fit, but didn't feel sexy. Anorexic is not fit, and low BMI with no muscle tone is not fit, and it really does not take that much time out of your week to stay fit.
If this photo made you feel bad, get off your butt, cut the portions down, and stop feeling unfit.

And if you check out her website, she explains why she's physically fit.

For someone who says she's a feminist, that poster is awfully judgemental.

And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!  Even feminists shame women for it now!  I guess body shaming's okay if you do the mental gymnastics to say that physically fit women==appeasing the patriarchy and that physically fit women==body-shaming people who aren't physically fit...


Never shames men? Are you serious, or do you have memory issues?

Off of the top of my head, look at Val Kilmer and Axl Rose. Both have gotten chubby, and both get mocked because of it.
 
2013-12-13 12:07:26 AM  

DebinCO: Seriously, what have you done, as a "feminist," to change society?


You obviously didn't read anything else I posted.

DebinCO: If you get fat, and blame it on the baby, you don't get to call yourself a feminist. You should care more about your body. And your partner. And the baby. That is all.


Not fat, don't have a baby, my fiance is awesome and didn't say shiat about my weight even when I was obese.

Any other conclusions you'd like to jump to?

And the only one of the names I googled was MacKinnon to make sure I spelled it right. Gyn/Ecology was one of my favorite works.
 
2013-12-13 12:08:15 AM  

powhound: sendtodave: powhound: Wasn't expecting the need for popcorn. Brb...gotta go see if the wife or daughters will throw some in the microwave for me.

/The Internet has turned some adults into drooling idiots

Are you not entertained?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Is this not why you come here?

I come to Fark for the Rational Discussions! Except for that one tab, that shall not be mentioned.


Foobies tab?
 
2013-12-13 12:09:28 AM  

pushcart: Women with extra weight are hot. Biological determinism wires men to find them so. Look at ancient fertility figurines. Their shape signals fecundity and stimulates the male urge to procreate.


www.sbicamerica.com  4.bp.blogspot.com

/gotta get me some of that sweet, sweet fecundity...
 
2013-12-13 12:09:34 AM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: powhound: sendtodave: powhound: Wasn't expecting the need for popcorn. Brb...gotta go see if the wife or daughters will throw some in the microwave for me.

/The Internet has turned some adults into drooling idiots

Are you not entertained?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Is this not why you come here?

I come to Fark for the Rational Discussions! Except for that one tab, that shall not be mentioned.

Foobies tab?


Orville sells hand lotion now?
 
2013-12-13 12:10:38 AM  
Now watch. Next thing she'll pick out is that Gyn/Ecology was by Daly, not MacKinnon.

/even though I didn't actually say that
//and she'll miss this post
 
2013-12-13 12:13:58 AM  

Peki: DebinCO: Seriously, what have you done, as a "feminist," to change society?

You obviously didn't read anything else I posted.

DebinCO: If you get fat, and blame it on the baby, you don't get to call yourself a feminist. You should care more about your body. And your partner. And the baby. That is all.

Not fat, don't have a baby, my fiance is awesome and didn't say shiat about my weight even when I was obese.

Any other conclusions you'd like to jump to?

And the only one of the names I googled was MacKinnon to make sure I spelled it right. Gyn/Ecology was one of my favorite works.


Just LOL.
 
2013-12-13 12:14:58 AM  
See 'ya. I have a real job.
 
2013-12-13 12:15:11 AM  

DebinCO: Peki: DebinCO: Seriously, what have you done, as a "feminist," to change society?

You obviously didn't read anything else I posted.

DebinCO: If you get fat, and blame it on the baby, you don't get to call yourself a feminist. You should care more about your body. And your partner. And the baby. That is all.

Not fat, don't have a baby, my fiance is awesome and didn't say shiat about my weight even when I was obese.

Any other conclusions you'd like to jump to?

And the only one of the names I googled was MacKinnon to make sure I spelled it right. Gyn/Ecology was one of my favorite works.

Just LOL.


Seriously? I'd rather work together. We're supposed to be on the same damn side.
 
2013-12-13 12:15:55 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: Fathym: Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.

And maybe a little intelligence?

How little? I might qualify.


Average will do, sometimes less. My ~ 30 co-candidates were generally in two groups, 1) highly intelligent and rational, and 2) brain-meltingly moronic (particularly that one young earth creationist geneticist). Not many fell in between, but both groups had similar pass rates. What both both groups possessed was a will do endure the PhD no matter what. Persistence (hard work and determination?) is more important than intellect for attaining a PhD. Money and scholarship? Well, with enough persistance you will eventually find them too.
 
2013-12-13 12:16:49 AM  
"They make women jealous and feel bad about themselves"

... umm, that's the reason women do everything.
 
2013-12-13 12:18:48 AM  

Peki: Gyn/Ecology was one of my favorite works.


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doblelol.com
 
2013-12-13 12:18:54 AM  

sendtodave: Dr Jack Badofsky: powhound: sendtodave: powhound: Wasn't expecting the need for popcorn. Brb...gotta go see if the wife or daughters will throw some in the microwave for me.

/The Internet has turned some adults into drooling idiots

Are you not entertained?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Is this not why you come here?

I come to Fark for the Rational Discussions! Except for that one tab, that shall not be mentioned.

Foobies tab?

Orville sells hand lotion now?


Pssst!  Extra Butter flavor.
 
2013-12-13 12:19:41 AM  

FizixJunkee: They have bad genes, and aspergers, and adhd, and dyslexia, and somatic symptom disorder.

Hasn't stopped me from doing a PhD.


Yes but you see I have stage II aspergers.
 
2013-12-13 12:20:06 AM  
Lame farkin thread. I was expecting pics...and lots of them, you know chicks and skin and boobs and curves and such.

Instead, one smoking hot milf and something bumbledfarked, whatever....

/dnrtfa
//now where will I look
///farkin innernet
 
2013-12-13 12:20:21 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: FizixJunkee: They have bad genes, and aspergers, and adhd, and dyslexia, and somatic symptom disorder.

Hasn't stopped me from doing a PhD.

Yes but you see I have stage II aspergers.


Have you tried chickens?
 
2013-12-13 12:21:56 AM  
Hearing "What's your excuse for being fat?" from the wife of a soccer star who can spend the day at home working out sounds pretty much exactly like Mitt Romney telling the poor that they need to get an education or start a business by borrowing money from their parents. There's just a massive amount of ignorance that comes off as smugness, or vice versa, that ignores the reality a lot of people face. That kind of inconsiderate attitude can most definitely draw anger, but there's just enough truth behind the comment to be defensible.
That said, shaming is never a good motivator, whether it be shaming the viewer directly or shaming their actions, it's still a negative form of encouragement. There are better ways that could have been phrased that wouldn't have provoked anywhere near as much ire.
 
2013-12-13 12:22:28 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Have you tried chickens?


Can't, I also have poultry intolerance syndrome.
 
2013-12-13 12:23:42 AM  

bojon: From the pics, it appears that these women have ambitions of a job in show business. I do not see many tubbies in the movies.


Yeah, too many people look at these women and think they are rich and famous - they can afford to stay in shape. Instead, they should think how these women have to stay in shape to maintain their lifestyle. Young starlet diet? Day one: zero balance checking account.
 
2013-12-13 12:25:35 AM  
LiberalConservative:
Average will do, sometimes less. My ~ 30 co-candidates were generally in two groups, 1) highly intelligent and rational, and 2) brain-meltingly moronic (particularly that one young earth creationist geneticist). Not many fell in between, but both groups had similar pass rates. What both both groups possessed was a will do endure the PhD no matter what. Persistence (hard work and determination?) is more important than intellect for attaining a PhD. Money and scholarship? Well, with enough persistance you will eventually find them too.


You didn't get your PhD in physics, did you?

The "dumbest" physicist I know probably has an IQ in the 100-110 range which, by physics standards, is quite low.  The guy didn't graduate from a top tier school, either.   However, he did work his butt off to graduate, and still works his butt off as a research scientist (he got lucky and chose a "hot field" for which there were ample post doc and research opportunities).   Frankly, he must put that much effort into his work to be any good at it...it just takes him longer to "get" stuff than it does his colleagues/competitors.

I respect that guy a lot and even consider him a friend.  But I seriously doubt he'll ever make significant contributions in his field, even with all the effort he puts into it.

In summary,

1. Persistence and hard work are required to get a PhD, but that doesn't mean they'll be enough to succeed in science once you have your PhD;

2. The smarter you are, the less hard work you have to put into your PhD to graduate.
 
2013-12-13 12:25:52 AM  
sendtodave
I hope you have him farkied as patriarchy that perpetuates traditional gender roles!
Really now, assuming that women care more about looks, and men care more about wealth and power?
That's so last century.

It could be and I hope it is last century.
 
2013-12-13 12:26:29 AM  

sendtodave: Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?


Absolutely.
 
2013-12-13 12:26:54 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: ZeroCorpse: These pictures are not for men; They're posted solely to be completely biatchy to other women... So I can understand the angry reaction.

And I've also lived long enough to know to stay the hell out of it.

It may not be out of biatchyness. You say you lived long enough to stay out of it, so lets assume you are over 25. How many guys have used the excuse of getting older to let themselves get out of shape? What if a guy who was 45 and in great shape posted a picture on a social media site and said I'm 47 what's your excuse? A 39 year old may find that motivating and decide that it is time to stop making excuses and get in shape.


I'm in my 40s. I'm not fat, but I'll never be built like Hugh Jackman. I accept that. I wish I could be rid of my spare tire, but it's not bad, all things considered, and my girl is supportive and thinks I'm attractive, so as long as she's happy, I can live with how I look.

And that's what it really comes down to. If someone is post-pregnancy, then I assume they're probably partnered already, and they're probably with someone who loves them. While it's nice to try to look good for your significant other, you also have to keep things in perspective: If they're happy with you (happy enough to raise kids with you) then who are you trying to impress with sexy pictures, or the desire to live up to other peoples' sexy pictures?

I contend that the people who make this a big deal are generally kind of vapid and self-absorbed. This is a Type-A personality sort of thing. This is narcissism. This does not affect me.

I'm not in competition with other guys. I have the love of my life, and she's happy with me the way I am. That is all that matter to me.

Frankly, I don't understand why that isn't all that matters to the women who take these show-off pics. Clearly, they're trying to piss people off, because I can't imagine they're trying to get other men interested in them since they're supposedly happily married. The only answer is that they're doing it to be biatchy. They're doing it to run their "awesome life" in the faces of other people... And that's biatchy.
 
2013-12-13 12:27:34 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: FizixJunkee: They have bad genes, and aspergers, and adhd, and dyslexia, and somatic symptom disorder.

Hasn't stopped me from doing a PhD.

Yes but you see I have stage II aspergers.



And that's significant because...?
 
2013-12-13 12:27:41 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: Peki: Gyn/Ecology was one of my favorite works.

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[doblelol.com image 302x480]


Whoops. My error.

I was confusing Daly and Firestone. I was thinking of Dialectic of Sex, not Gyn/Ecology.

Firestone criticized Marx's economic determinism, and said that it's whether or not you have a womb that determines your economic position. She advocated artificial reproduction and communal upbringing to "free" women from the career restraints placed upon them by pregnancy and child rearing.
 
2013-12-13 12:29:00 AM  

Peki: Why? If I have a porn stash, so should he.


media.salon.com
What a pornstache may look like.
 
2013-12-13 12:32:50 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Frankly, I don't understand why that isn't all that matters to the women who take these show-off pics. Clearly, they're trying to piss people off, because I can't imagine they're trying to get other men interested in them since they're supposedly happily married. The only answer is that they're doing it to be biatchy. They're doing it to run their "awesome life" in the faces of other people... And that's biatchy.


Yes. And so the winning move (if you run into one of these people in person) is to simply refuse to play.  Change the subject every time.

The true narcissists will get really pissed off when you do that, which is hilarious.

If it's images in advertising putting you in a bad mood, just learn to read less ads.
 
2013-12-13 12:32:51 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: sendtodave: Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?

Absolutely.


Yep.  Women spend an awful lot of time, energy, and money in competing against other women, and far less time trying to attract men than men would think they do.     Wanna woman to be happy?  Ensure she's the skinniest woman in the room, even if that means she's practically anorexic and no man around finds her body attractive.
 
2013-12-13 12:33:05 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: sendtodave: Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?

Absolutely.


cf. "HAZARDS" :

www.militariapress.com
 
2013-12-13 12:33:25 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: sendtodave: Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?

Absolutely.


That doesn't makes sense.
 
2013-12-13 12:33:26 AM  

Peki: What? You don't feel a little self-conscious every time a successful looking guy driving your dream car comes on TV? You don't feel that pull, that social gaze, judging you, telling you that you aren't good enough? You don't see the muscular, trim dudes, then look in the mirror and not feel a little down?

Guys, quit acting like peer pressure doesn't work on you too.


No. We don't feel that. We know you can't fathom this, and it is because all of you are farking insane. That is seriously the most ridiculous thing I have read today. Never attempt to speak for men again. That was terrible.
 
2013-12-13 12:34:14 AM  
I just don't get the outrage. To me, the fitness trainer was sending out a challenge to women who want to get in shape and get healthy, but are having trouble finding motivation or are making excuses that they know are just excuses. If that's not an immediate goal of yours, why are you even paying attention? I'm 18 weeks pregnant with my first and I'm holding Maria Kang as a role model. I don't want to go down the road other members of my family have gone down and still be fighting my baby weight 20 years after my daughter is born, which sounds like what she was doing. Looking at her makes me feel optimistic that that's a lifelong battle I won't have to face. If you look at her and feel anger and outrage, that says more about your issues than hers.
 
2013-12-13 12:34:24 AM  

Bumblefark: pushcart: Women with extra weight are hot. Biological determinism wires men to find them so. Look at ancient fertility figurines. Their shape signals fecundity and stimulates the male urge to procreate.

/gotta get me some of that sweet, sweet fecundity...


Snert and snert again! I tip my hat to you, but I am afraid I must dismiss the reductio ad absurdum on the right.
 
2013-12-13 12:34:47 AM  

sendtodave: Frederick: Peki: sendtodave: Peki: Frederick: Who do you think is most often placing value on a woman's sex appeal -men or women?  In this example the woman clearly has attributed her value to her sex appeal.

Chicken and egg question. They perpetuate it equally, and I don't really care who started it.

Being attractive is bad, and anyone who disagrees is bad.

Huh.

What? How in the heck do you get that from what I've said?

Funny.  I was going to say the exact same thing.

Being attractive is not bad.  Placing your self worth (or value) on being attractive is bad; is the point I'm trying to make.

... Why is that?

People tend to put value on what they are good at. Some people are good at looking good. They shouldn't value that? That shouldn't be an important part of their self identity?


I feel confident that if you dont understand, there is no way I can explain it to you so that you will.  I can only hope you are not in the psychology or counseling fields.

/genetics are not things people are "good at"
//self identity =/= self value
 
2013-12-13 12:36:03 AM  

ZeroCorpse: DrewCurtisJr: ZeroCorpse: These pictures are not for men; They're posted solely to be completely biatchy to other women... So I can understand the angry reaction.

And I've also lived long enough to know to stay the hell out of it.

It may not be out of biatchyness. You say you lived long enough to stay out of it, so lets assume you are over 25. How many guys have used the excuse of getting older to let themselves get out of shape? What if a guy who was 45 and in great shape posted a picture on a social media site and said I'm 47 what's your excuse? A 39 year old may find that motivating and decide that it is time to stop making excuses and get in shape.

I'm in my 40s. I'm not fat, but I'll never be built like Hugh Jackman. I accept that. I wish I could be rid of my spare tire, but it's not bad, all things considered, and my girl is supportive and thinks I'm attractive, so as long as she's happy, I can live with how I look.

And that's what it really comes down to. If someone is post-pregnancy, then I assume they're probably partnered already, and they're probably with someone who loves them. While it's nice to try to look good for your significant other, you also have to keep things in perspective: If they're happy with you (happy enough to raise kids with you) then who are you trying to impress with sexy pictures, or the desire to live up to other peoples' sexy pictures?

I contend that the people who make this a big deal are generally kind of vapid and self-absorbed. This is a Type-A personality sort of thing. This is narcissism. This does not affect me.

I'm not in competition with other guys. I have the love of my life, and she's happy with me the way I am. That is all that matter to me.

Frankly, I don't understand why that isn't all that matters to the women who take these show-off pics. Clearly, they're trying to piss people off, because I can't imagine they're trying to get other men interested in them since they're supposedly happily married. The only answer is that they're doing it to be biatchy. They're doing it to run their "awesome life" in the faces of other people... And that's biatchy.


I've read that women don't get all dressed up and sexy looking when going out for their husbands /boyfriends, they do it for other women. Because other women are watching.

My wife told me that this was accurate.

It's all about competition. All the time.
 
2013-12-13 12:36:14 AM  

DebinCO: Nope, you are NOT a feminist.


Exclusion!  Yes, that's the ticket.  It's working so well for the Republican party, how could it fail feminists?  There could not possibly be any strength in numbers.  Only the weak need sympathizers--in fact, feminists did their best work with the majority of public directly opposing them, right?  Your efforts in this thread to restore those conditions went very well.
 
2013-12-13 12:38:29 AM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Hearing "What's your excuse for being fat?" from the wife of a soccer star who can spend the day at home working out sounds pretty much exactly like Mitt Romney telling the poor that they need to get an education or start a business by borrowing money from their parents. There's just a massive amount of ignorance that comes off as smugness, or vice versa, that ignores the reality a lot of people face. That kind of inconsiderate attitude can most definitely draw anger, but there's just enough truth behind the comment to be defensible.
That said, shaming is never a good motivator, whether it be shaming the viewer directly or shaming their actions, it's still a negative form of encouragement. There are better ways that could have been phrased that wouldn't have provoked anywhere near as much ire.


Think that soccer star married her when she was 60 pounds overweight and now she works out, because she likes it? It's not ignorance or smugness you observe, but jealousy. The more vocal, the more of a problem it is. Give her a year with 3 kids living in a trailer park eating fast food and you would see her fa...er, probably just genetics, so she'd still all toned and washboardy. Sorry big girls.
 
2013-12-13 12:38:53 AM  

Frederick: /genetics are not things people are "good at"


Frederick Sanger is pretty good at it.
 
2013-12-13 12:39:26 AM  

sendtodave: I've read that women don't get all dressed up and sexy looking when going out for their husbands /boyfriends, they do it for other women. Because other women are watching.

My wife told me that this was accurate.

It's all about competition. All the time.



100% truth.
 
2013-12-13 12:42:49 AM  

Frederick: sendtodave: Frederick: Peki: sendtodave: Peki: Frederick: Who do you think is most often placing value on a woman's sex appeal -men or women?  In this example the woman clearly has attributed her value to her sex appeal.

Chicken and egg question. They perpetuate it equally, and I don't really care who started it.

Being attractive is bad, and anyone who disagrees is bad.

Huh.

What? How in the heck do you get that from what I've said?

Funny.  I was going to say the exact same thing.

Being attractive is not bad.  Placing your self worth (or value) on being attractive is bad; is the point I'm trying to make.

... Why is that?

People tend to put value on what they are good at. Some people are good at looking good. They shouldn't value that? That shouldn't be an important part of their self identity?

I feel confident that if you dont understand, there is no way I can explain it to you so that you will.  I can only hope you are not in the psychology or counseling fields.

/genetics are not things people are "good at"
//self identity =/= self value


Being good at something is about results.

How you achieve this results doesn't matter.

Peoples don't get disqualified from races because they were born being able to run fast, no darn it, that isn't fair!

In fact, we frown on performance enhancing drugs because they aren't "natural." Being born able to run fast? Not cheating. Using drugs to run fast?Cheating.

We value natural ability, natural beauty, etc. all the time.
 
2013-12-13 12:47:30 AM  

sendtodave: Occam's Disposable Razor: sendtodave: Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?

Absolutely.

That doesn't makes sense.


You're trying to jam logic into a space where it doesn't fit, friend.
 
2013-12-13 12:47:44 AM  

Peki: My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it


Some people work out because they actually enjoy it, and actually enjoy doing things with their bodies. Now that I understand people equate it with sexual things, all of the hate makes a lot of sense. You are teeming with insecurities, I keep most of mine to myself.
 
2013-12-13 12:47:52 AM  

Peki: sendtodave: People tend to put value on what they are good at. Some people are good at looking good. They shouldn't value that? That shouldn't be an important part of their self identity?

Those are called models, and they have something called photoshop.

This picture? It ignores the social structures behind the woman that allow her to have that body.

LadyHawke: I notice that it's almost always actresses, fitness models, and fitness bloggers who end up losing the weight quickly.  If it were my job to be in insanely good shape and I was paid enough so I didn't have to do anything but workout and eat perfectly, I would probably have those abs too.

This touches on it.

theMightyRegeya: All right, so it's a second response, but I felt the need to add something on top of questioning why physically fit==whore (or something.)

I don't think physical fitness = whore. I think a selfie of your ultrafit body four days after birth (that you KNOW other women can't have)   = AW who knows she's destroying other women's self-esteem.


Ah, I think I understand feminism now. If someone does something you think you can't do, they are horrible people who should hide in their basement out of sight.

This is is why third wave feminism is a crock of shiat. The first wave fought for basic human rights. The second wave fought for equality and parity with men. The third wave fights so that no one ever gets their fee-fees hurt by seeing someone more successful than them.

By that logic, how dare people wear clothes that I can't afford, or drive cars in public that I can't afford. How dare anyone be better than me in public? Oh, and don't get me started on pro athletes. It's so not fair that they flaunt their years of rigorous training on tv? No one should be allowed to be better than anyone else, we should all be fat, lazy, unaccomplished apathetic slobs, lest someone feel bad about something.
 
2013-12-13 12:49:37 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: sendtodave: Occam's Disposable Razor: sendtodave: Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?

Absolutely.

That doesn't makes sense.

You're trying to jam logic into a space where it doesn't fit, friend.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Any major dude will tell you.
 
2013-12-13 12:50:39 AM  

Olo Manolo: Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"

1: all selfies are of the "Look at me!" variety..
2: she has the right to be proud of her body, she is effing hot..
3: she didn't call anybody a fat lazy cow, or boast that she is better than anybody.. did you happen to read her whole "apology" article? the one where she correctly states that we are a fat country and it's bad for our health? the whole thing was about getting people to exercise some and eat better, it was all true, and good advice, but STILL people were crying "this hurts my poor wittle feewings!"
4: you sound fat...


Me and the old lady have some extra poundage but ya know....we'll survive a hard winter better than you will.so we win. Plus we can float.
 
2013-12-13 12:51:18 AM  

Lusiphur: Peki: sendtodave: People tend to put value on what they are good at. Some people are good at looking good. They shouldn't value that? That shouldn't be an important part of their self identity?

Those are called models, and they have something called photoshop.

This picture? It ignores the social structures behind the woman that allow her to have that body.

LadyHawke: I notice that it's almost always actresses, fitness models, and fitness bloggers who end up losing the weight quickly.  If it were my job to be in insanely good shape and I was paid enough so I didn't have to do anything but workout and eat perfectly, I would probably have those abs too.

This touches on it.

theMightyRegeya: All right, so it's a second response, but I felt the need to add something on top of questioning why physically fit==whore (or something.)

I don't think physical fitness = whore. I think a selfie of your ultrafit body four days after birth (that you KNOW other women can't have)   = AW who knows she's destroying other women's self-esteem.

Ah, I think I understand feminism now. If someone does something you think you can't do, they are horrible people who should hide in their basement out of sight.

This is is why third wave feminism is a crock of shiat. The first wave fought for basic human rights. The second wave fought for equality and parity with men. The third wave fights so that no one ever gets their fee-fees hurt by seeing someone more successful than them.

By that logic, how dare people wear clothes that I can't afford, or drive cars in public that I can't afford. How dare anyone be better than me in public? Oh, and don't get me started on pro athletes. It's so not fair that they flaunt their years of rigorous training on tv? No one should be allowed to be better than anyone else, we should all be fat, lazy, unaccomplished apathetic slobs, lest someone feel bad about something.


If the goal is total equality, the tallest blades of grass must be cut.
 
2013-12-13 01:01:23 AM  

sendtodave: Lusiphur: Peki: sendtodave: People tend to put value on what they are good at. Some people are good at looking good. They shouldn't value that? That shouldn't be an important part of their self identity?

Those are called models, and they have something called photoshop.

This picture? It ignores the social structures behind the woman that allow her to have that body.

LadyHawke: I notice that it's almost always actresses, fitness models, and fitness bloggers who end up losing the weight quickly.  If it were my job to be in insanely good shape and I was paid enough so I didn't have to do anything but workout and eat perfectly, I would probably have those abs too.

This touches on it.

theMightyRegeya: All right, so it's a second response, but I felt the need to add something on top of questioning why physically fit==whore (or something.)

I don't think physical fitness = whore. I think a selfie of your ultrafit body four days after birth (that you KNOW other women can't have)   = AW who knows she's destroying other women's self-esteem.

Ah, I think I understand feminism now. If someone does something you think you can't do, they are horrible people who should hide in their basement out of sight.

This is is why third wave feminism is a crock of shiat. The first wave fought for basic human rights. The second wave fought for equality and parity with men. The third wave fights so that no one ever gets their fee-fees hurt by seeing someone more successful than them.

By that logic, how dare people wear clothes that I can't afford, or drive cars in public that I can't afford. How dare anyone be better than me in public? Oh, and don't get me started on pro athletes. It's so not fair that they flaunt their years of rigorous training on tv? No one should be allowed to be better than anyone else, we should all be fat, lazy, unaccomplished apathetic slobs, lest someone feel bad about something.

If the goal is total equality, the tallest blades of grass must be cut.


Close, except that all but the very shortest must be cut. Because it's totally not fair to make the 800 lb woman lose weight. Stop pushing your penisocracy on the poor misunderstood 800lb woman. Don't you get it? She's a hero for stuffing her face full of anti-establishment Twinkies.
 
2013-12-13 01:10:09 AM  
I like looking at pictures of hot chicks.
 
2013-12-13 01:12:35 AM  
fanbladesaresharp: Me and the old lady have some extra poundage but ya know....we'll survive a hard winter better than you will.so we win. Plus we can float.


I'm fat, myself.. I'm just not in the business of being pissed off at people who aren't.
 
2013-12-13 01:15:09 AM  

Peki: Danger Avoid Death: Peki: Gyn/Ecology was one of my favorite works.

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[doblelol.com image 302x480]

Whoops. My error.

I was confusing Daly and Firestone. I was thinking of Dialectic of Sex, not Gyn/Ecology.

Firestone criticized Marx's economic determinism, and said that it's whether or not you have a womb that determines your economic position. She advocated artificial reproduction and communal upbringing to "free" women from the career restraints placed upon them by pregnancy and child rearing.


Heh. Never trust The Google.
 
2013-12-13 01:18:38 AM  

Bucky Katt: I like looking at pictures of hot chicks.


Monster! Don't you know how bad that makes unattractive people feel?
 
2013-12-13 01:21:33 AM  

PerfectHotSauce: I just don't get the outrage. To me, the fitness trainer was sending out a challenge to women who want to get in shape and get healthy, but are having trouble finding motivation or are making excuses that they know are just excuses. If that's not an immediate goal of yours, why are you even paying attention? I'm 18 weeks pregnant with my first and I'm holding Maria Kang as a role model. I don't want to go down the road other members of my family have gone down and still be fighting my baby weight 20 years after my daughter is born, which sounds like what she was doing. Looking at her makes me feel optimistic that that's a lifelong battle I won't have to face. If you look at her and feel anger and outrage, that says more about your issues than hers.


That's been covered already.

Apparently, it's bad to try and challenge women that might be suffering from depression. Because they're fat.

...

Actually, why would motivate someone suffering from depression? "You're great just the way you are?"
 
2013-12-13 01:22:11 AM  
Wat would, I mean. Wat.
 
2013-12-13 01:29:13 AM  
I think someone has a crush on me. How cute.
 
2013-12-13 01:36:41 AM  

pushcart: Bumblefark: pushcart: Women with extra weight are hot. Biological determinism wires men to find them so. Look at ancient fertility figurines. Their shape signals fecundity and stimulates the male urge to procreate.

/gotta get me some of that sweet, sweet fecundity...

Snert and snert again! I tip my hat to you, but I am afraid I must dismiss the reductio ad absurdum on the right.


Heh. Fair enough. Actually, I don't entirely disagree. But, with some caveats...

I think cultures in different stages of advancement tend to emphasize different aspects of the female form, in constructing their representations of "beauty." That doesn't make any one representation more or less "natural" than any other -- just a better cultural fit.

And, just as it would be a mistake to look at Barbie dolls as an empirically accurate representation of what men find attractive in the everyday world, I think you'd be mistaken to assume that earlier men actually lusted after women shaped like those fertility fetish figures. It's a caricature of a selectively focused ideal, nothing more. In the real world, it would be regarded as strange and grotesque.

images.forbes.com
 
2013-12-13 01:39:35 AM  

Catlike Typist: DebinCO: Nope, you are NOT a feminist.

Exclusion!  Yes, that's the ticket.  It's working so well for the Republican party, how could it fail feminists?  There could not possibly be any strength in numbers.  Only the weak need sympathizers--in fact, feminists did their best work with the majority of public directly opposing them, right?  Your efforts in this thread to restore those conditions went very well.


::sigh:: Because what YOU call "feminists" are nothing more than window dressing. All storm and no thunder. All for naught. Because real feminism doesn't exist anymore. We've beaten the men into the ground and we women are so full of self-hate (the original post re: post-pregnancy "selfies") that we are doomed until we finally figure out that we are all human beings, and nothing more. I'm sorry for your take on my post(s) but I suspect you were born in the 1980s. It proves my thesis. That makes me very sad.  :-(

And bringing American politics to a discussion on feminism proves that you don't read; don't parse; and don't do any original thinking except what you hear on the Internets or from your self-absorbed so-called "feminist" friends. Gah.

It's almost like we've gone back to the Eisenhower era, except we don't have to (unless we WANT to) wear pearls while we're cooking.

You and your ilk have destroyed the good work(s) that Betty, Bella, and Simone did...how do you reconcile that? Seriously asking. Not expecting a thoughtful answer but that would be OK if you can Google it together.

My post had NOTHING to do with what you call "exclusion." Nor shaming.

This is what men hate about us...and sometimes I agree with them, sad to say. Your post does us no favors...only reinforces the stereotypes.

Get back to me when you're 60. Then we'll have something to talk about. Until then, you might want to rethink what you just posted.  :-/
 
2013-12-13 01:44:13 AM  

DebinCO: American politics


Considering it's where feminism started. . . And you're the one griping about history.

You're probably still pissed about the lesbian menace take-over in the 80s.
 
2013-12-13 01:44:37 AM  

Bumblefark: pushcart: Bumblefark: pushcart: Women with extra weight are hot. Biological determinism wires men to find them so. Look at ancient fertility figurines. Their shape signals fecundity and stimulates the male urge to procreate.

/gotta get me some of that sweet, sweet fecundity...

Snert and snert again! I tip my hat to you, but I am afraid I must dismiss the reductio ad absurdum on the right.

Heh. Fair enough. Actually, I don't entirely disagree. But, with some caveats...

I think cultures in different stages of advancement tend to emphasize different aspects of the female form, in constructing their representations of "beauty." That doesn't make any one representation more or less "natural" than any other -- just a better cultural fit.

And, just as it would be a mistake to look at Barbie dolls as an empirically accurate representation of what men find attractive in the everyday world, I think you'd be mistaken to assume that earlier men actually lusted after women shaped like those fertility fetish figures. It's a caricature of a selectively focused ideal, nothing more. In the real world, it would be regarded as strange and grotesque.


Interesting, I've never thought about Barbie as a modern day Venus figurine. It's a really interesting way to look at it.

Hyper-Exaggerated notions of what women are supposed to look like
 
2013-12-13 01:49:37 AM  
Actually...

Has anyone ever speculated on whether the Venus figurines might actually just be children's dolls?

I mean, there's no reason to assume that dolls are a new thing.

/my mom figured that the hands, and stick figure cave painting were kids scribbling on the walls
 
2013-12-13 01:50:12 AM  
What!?  All people are NOT the same??
 
2013-12-13 01:52:19 AM  
For all the Kim Kardashian lovers out there:

www.gumbumper.com

Yum, right?
 
2013-12-13 01:53:25 AM  

ZeroCorpse: For all the Kim Kardashian lovers out there:

Yum, right?


Ermergherd! A cold sore!
 
2013-12-13 01:55:14 AM  

TheBlackFlag: What!?  All people are NOT the same??


They are! You win! And how pleased I am to say that!  :-)
 
2013-12-13 01:58:18 AM  
sendtodave
I hope you have him farkied as patriarchy that perpetuates traditional gender roles!
Really now, assuming that women care more about looks, and men care more about wealth and power?
That's so last century.


Dave, I should be farkied as a card carrying member of the patriarchy that perpetuates gender rolls keeping down the women.

I do suppose some of my cultural references are squared well in the 90's and some of my assumptions no longer hold true. That is a wonderful thing, I want to see true gender equality. Someday society may have changed around you too, but thanks for the update. I am listening.

However farkieing me as a member of the patriarchy? I don't know where to go with that. There was a young woman who wanted to become an engineer so I sent her threatening emails to become a nurse or a grade school teacher. And there was the time I burned that symbolic wooden phallus in the female corporate executive's yard.

May I suggest that you do things like publicly shame sexist programmer making dongle forking joke by putting their face on twitter. You could take pictures of men man-sitting on the bus and subway and post them on fark to put the patriarchy in check.

Be the face of social justice my friend.
 
2013-12-13 01:58:22 AM  

upndn: Lame farkin thread. I was expecting pics...and lots of them, you know chicks and skin and boobs and curves and such.

Instead, one smoking hot milf and something bumbledfarked, whatever....

/dnrtfa
//now where will I look
///farkin innernet


*sigh* Fine..if you're gonna whine:

images.thehollywoodgossip.com

There. Now don't say I never gave you nothing.

/heh. I've been verbified.
 
2013-12-13 02:00:40 AM  

Enemabag Jones: sendtodave
I hope you have him farkied as patriarchy that perpetuates traditional gender roles!
Really now, assuming that women care more about looks, and men care more about wealth and power?
That's so last century.

Dave, I should be farkied as a card carrying member of the patriarchy that perpetuates gender rolls keeping down the women.

I do suppose some of my cultural references are squared well in the 90's and some of my assumptions no longer hold true. That is a wonderful thing, I want to see true gender equality. Someday society may have changed around you too, but thanks for the update. I am listening.

However farkieing me as a member of the patriarchy? I don't know where to go with that. There was a young woman who wanted to become an engineer so I sent her threatening emails to become a nurse or a grade school teacher. And there was the time I burned that symbolic wooden phallus in the female corporate executive's yard.

May I suggest that you do things like publicly shame sexist programmer making dongle forking joke by putting their face on twitter. You could take pictures of men man-sitting on the bus and subway and post them on fark to put the patriarchy in check.

Be the face of social justice my friend.


Well, I was being sarcastic, but this all kinda sounds like fun.
 
2013-12-13 02:00:43 AM  

Bumblefark: upndn: Lame farkin thread. I was expecting pics...and lots of them, you know chicks and skin and boobs and curves and such.

Instead, one smoking hot milf and something bumbledfarked, whatever....

/dnrtfa
//now where will I look
///farkin innernet

*sigh* Fine..if you're gonna whine:

[images.thehollywoodgossip.com image 630x473]

There. Now don't say I never gave you nothing.

/heh. I've been verbified.


That was great until I got to the face. Then all I heard was "MICHAEL!"
 
2013-12-13 02:02:11 AM  

Peki: DebinCO: American politics

Considering it's where feminism started. . . And you're the one griping about history.

You're probably still pissed about the lesbian menace take-over in the 80s.


Wow, nice. Go for the low blow. What if I AM a lesbian? You just negated everything you wrote above, proving my point about pseudo-feminists in the 21st century. Well done, "sister." Your true colors just shone through loud and clear. How does it feel to be dis-enfranchised among your own sisterhood?

This is going to be a panel discussion at my university classes next semester. Thanks for the fodder!  :-) I couldn't have done it without you!
 
2013-12-13 02:02:26 AM  
sendtodave
Well, I was being sarcastic, but this all kinda sounds like fun.


Then I missed the joke. My bad.
 
2013-12-13 02:06:27 AM  

DebinCO: Peki: DebinCO: American politics

Considering it's where feminism started. . . And you're the one griping about history.

You're probably still pissed about the lesbian menace take-over in the 80s.

Wow, nice. Go for the low blow. What if I AM a lesbian? You just negated everything you wrote above, proving my point about pseudo-feminists in the 21st century. Well done, "sister." Your true colors just shone through loud and clear. How does it feel to be dis-enfranchised among your own sisterhood?

This is going to be a panel discussion at my university classes next semester. Thanks for the fodder!  :-) I couldn't have done it without you!


I didn't say anything about you being a lesbian. There were plenty of lesbians who were pissed off at what happened, just like there are plenty of gay folks who were against equal marriage. I just said you were still pissed about it.

And I AM disenfranchised among my own sisterhood. Comes with being transgendered. *shrug*
 
2013-12-13 02:06:52 AM  

DebinCO: Peki: DebinCO: American politics

Considering it's where feminism started. . . And you're the one griping about history.

You're probably still pissed about the lesbian menace take-over in the 80s.

Wow, nice. Go for the low blow. What if I AM a lesbian? You just negated everything you wrote above, proving my point about pseudo-feminists in the 21st century. Well done, "sister." Your true colors just shone through loud and clear. How does it feel to be dis-enfranchised among your own sisterhood?

This is going to be a panel discussion at my university classes next semester. Thanks for the fodder!  :-) I couldn't have done it without you!


Oh, this is something.

Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

.... It's so beautiful!
 
2013-12-13 02:08:01 AM  
Btw, Deb, in case you hadn't figured it out, this is you:

img.fark.net
 
2013-12-13 02:08:40 AM  

sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?


She's not second wave. She's a first waver.
 
2013-12-13 02:12:59 AM  

sendtodave: Actually...

Has anyone ever speculated on whether the Venus figurines might actually just be children's dolls?

I mean, there's no reason to assume that dolls are a new thing.

/my mom figured that the hands, and stick figure cave painting were kids scribbling on the walls


Not that I know of. I think the biggest hurtle in drawing any strict parallel between the two is that childhood is something of a modern concept, so they probably wouldn't have looked at them as "kiddie toys" the way we do with Barbie dolls. But, "baubles" in some general sense, that were probably more often in the hands of the little ones? Dunno...I don't think anyone has ruled that out. But, I'm also sort of out of my depth at that point...

/is there an anthropologist in the house?
 
2013-12-13 02:13:54 AM  

Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.


So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.
 
2013-12-13 02:15:20 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: Frederick: /genetics are not things people are "good at"

Frederick Sanger is pretty good at it.


I stand corrected.

/well done
 
2013-12-13 02:17:53 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.

So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.


3 that I know of, but I've been out of academia for a few years now.

1st: Men and women are the same!
2nd: Men and women are different!
3rd: Women and men have similarities and differences. And btw, you both are speaking from white, Western privilege.

/VERY reduced, but that's the jist
 
2013-12-13 02:17:57 AM  

Frederick: Danger Avoid Death: Frederick: /genetics are not things people are "good at"

Frederick Sanger is pretty good at it.

I stand corrected.

/well done


With your Fark handle, I just couldn't resist. ;>p
 
2013-12-13 02:19:38 AM  

Peki: Danger Avoid Death: Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.

So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.

3 that I know of, but I've been out of academia for a few years now.

1st: Men and women are the same!
2nd: Men and women are different!
3rd: Women and men have similarities and differences. And btw, you both are speaking from white, Western privilege.

/VERY reduced, but that's the jist


I thought it was:

1) Men and women deserve equal rights
2) Men and women are the same
3) Everyone is a special snowflake, and gender shouldn't exist
 
2013-12-13 02:20:50 AM  

Peki: Danger Avoid Death: Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.

So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.

3 that I know of, but I've been out of academia for a few years now.

1st: Men and women are the same!
2nd: Men and women are different!
3rd: Women and men have similarities and differences. And btw, you both are speaking from white, Western privilege.

/VERY reduced, but that's the jist


So ... What would that be in popcorn?
 
2013-12-13 02:23:42 AM  

sendtodave: Peki: Danger Avoid Death: Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.

So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.

3 that I know of, but I've been out of academia for a few years now.

1st: Men and women are the same!
2nd: Men and women are different!
3rd: Women and men have similarities and differences. And btw, you both are speaking from white, Western privilege.

/VERY reduced, but that's the jist

I thought it was:

1) Men and women deserve equal rights
2) Men and women are the same
3) Everyone is a special snowflake, and gender shouldn't exist


No. Deserving equal rights was premised on the idea that women are just like men. Second wave was about women's special circumstances that require accommodation--an example would be a woman's special right to choose abortion.

You're right in pegging 3rd wave as having queer influence, but it's not so much about everyone being special. It's about defining special within the context of what you're trying to do. 3rd wave's main criticism was that previous waves were biased Western. You can't export Western feminism to Saudi Arabia. You have to develop Saudi Arabian feminism. That's where you get the "let's try to include everyone, and even a guy can be a woman," from.
 
2013-12-13 02:25:18 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: So ... What would that be in popcorn?


Not much. The 1st and 2nd would just glare at the 3rd icily, while the 3rd shares with you.
 
2013-12-13 02:28:19 AM  
Oh myyyy. We're transgendered now, are we? OK. I'm done here.

But now I know my waiting three years for a university tenure-track position was well spent instead of taking the easy out at a "Community College."

NTTAWWT.

However, if indeed you have been dis-enfranchised by your own sisterhood, Peki, perhaps you need to look at why. It may have nothing to do with you being "transgendered," nor does that "fact" forgive your previous posts about those of us who were on the forefront of real feminism and the OPs view that we, as women (transgendered or not) can't stand post-pregnant skinny women, which is what this was all about, right?

My advice to you is to start auditing some classes at a real university to see what you've missed. You can even do this on-line if you can't leave your kids and hubby at home.

I didn't spend 40 years of my life trying to balance feminism with body image (at a very basic level) to make "nice" with anonymous people on the internet. It's as ridiculous as saying President Obama is a Kenyan and was never eligible to be President. It's that stupid.

I've spent all my life in academia...I treasure the women in my classes because I know I'm making a difference.

All names will be redacted for next semester's courses!  :-)

Tah, and to all a goodnight.
 
2013-12-13 02:28:51 AM  

Peki: Bumblefark: upndn: Lame farkin thread. I was expecting pics...and lots of them, you know chicks and skin and boobs and curves and such.

Instead, one smoking hot milf and something bumbledfarked, whatever....

/dnrtfa
//now where will I look
///farkin innernet

*sigh* Fine..if you're gonna whine:

[images.thehollywoodgossip.com image 630x473]

There. Now don't say I never gave you nothing.

/heh. I've been verbified.

That was great until I got to the face. Then all I heard was "MICHAEL!"


Simple enough fix.

fc02.deviantart.net

/allll better
 
2013-12-13 02:29:59 AM  

Peki: Btw, Deb, in case you hadn't figured it out, this is you:

[img.fark.net image 300x330]


But you're still here, aren't you?  LOL
 
2013-12-13 02:30:21 AM  

Peki: sendtodave: Peki: Danger Avoid Death: Peki: sendtodave: Second generation feminists teach classes to third generation feminists, and despise them?

She's not second wave. She's a first waver.

So how many waves are there? I wanna know if this is like my sister arguing with my mother or my niece arguing with my grandmother. I gotta know how much popcorn to make.

3 that I know of, but I've been out of academia for a few years now.

1st: Men and women are the same!
2nd: Men and women are different!
3rd: Women and men have similarities and differences. And btw, you both are speaking from white, Western privilege.

/VERY reduced, but that's the jist

I thought it was:

1) Men and women deserve equal rights
2) Men and women are the same
3) Everyone is a special snowflake, and gender shouldn't exist

No. Deserving equal rights was premised on the idea that women are just like men. Second wave was about women's special circumstances that require accommodation--an example would be a woman's special right to choose abortion.

You're right in pegging 3rd wave as having queer influence, but it's not so much about everyone being special. It's about defining special within the context of what you're trying to do. 3rd wave's main criticism was that previous waves were biased Western. You can't export Western feminism to Saudi Arabia. You have to develop Saudi Arabian feminism. That's where you get the "let's try to include everyone, and even a guy can be a woman," from.


It recognizes that feminism is tied directly to distinct cultures, and the answer is to be all inclusive?

Dafuq?

Feminism can't relate to everybody, so let's make feminism relate to everybody?

Why. It just, you know, develop middle eastern feminism, separate from western feminism, and not try to be all things to all people (and thus having to say how special everybody is)?
 
2013-12-13 02:34:03 AM  
biatches be trippin'.
 
2013-12-13 02:35:37 AM  

DebinCO: I've spent all my life in academia...I treasure the women in my classes because I know I'm making a difference.


Well, you know what they say. Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.

DebinCO: "Community College."


Where did you get this from?

DebinCO: Peki: Btw, Deb, in case you hadn't figured it out, this is you:

[img.fark.net image 300x330]

But you're still here, aren't you?  LOL


I'm having fun. You're the one that supposedly had a "real" job to go do.

sendtodave: Why. It just, you know, develop middle eastern feminism, separate from western feminism, and not try to be all things to all people (and thus having to say how special everybody is)?


Dunno. I didn't pick the issues. I just studied them.
 
2013-12-13 02:36:13 AM  

Peki: Danger Avoid Death: So ... What would that be in popcorn?

Not much. The 1st and 2nd would just glare at the 3rd icily, while the 3rd shares with you.


This is too complicated. I'm just gonna have some cake.
 
2013-12-13 02:37:42 AM  

Peki: DebinCO: I've spent all my life in academia...I treasure the women in my classes because I know I'm making a difference.

Well, you know what they say. Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.

DebinCO: "Community College."

Where did you get this from?

DebinCO: Peki: Btw, Deb, in case you hadn't figured it out, this is you:

[img.fark.net image 300x330]

But you're still here, aren't you?  LOL

I'm having fun. You're the one that supposedly had a "real" job to go do.

sendtodave: Why. It just, you know, develop middle eastern feminism, separate from western feminism, and not try to be all things to all people (and thus having to say how special everybody is)?

Dunno. I didn't pick the issues. I just studied them.


I'm guessing the answer is "the 90s happened."
 
2013-12-13 02:38:04 AM  

rogue_L_chick: biatches be trippin'.


WOOHOOO!!! A FOURTH WAVE!!!
 
2013-12-13 02:38:36 AM  

Peki: Sort of. It was my minor. My major was English


Ok now I'm curious. What do you do with that degree?
 
2013-12-13 02:38:44 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: rogue_L_chick: biatches be trippin'.

WOOHOOO!!! A FOURTH WAVE!!!


I need a gif of a sports stadium wave. . .
 
2013-12-13 02:43:47 AM  

impaler: Peki: Sort of. It was my minor. My major was English

Ok now I'm curious. What do you do with that degree?


What I told Deb was social justice work (true--I work with a local Unitarian Universalist church--these are the people getting arrested in Arizona protesting the profiling law, in Texas during Wendy Davis' filibuster, etc.). I also invest, and I maintain a charity garden. Do I have a "day" job? No, but the reason for that goes far beyond the unsuitability of my degree. I screwed myself getting the degree in Canada, because you can't work off campus on a student immigration visa, so I came back to the US after three years and looked like an entitled fark who has a degree from "Are you sure that's a real university?"

There's other stuff too (PTSD, and some shiatty job history related to the causes of said PTSD), so. . . I know I open myself up to the "omg you got a useless degree and now you're poor ha ha fark you!" but there's a much longer story behind it. *shrug*
 
2013-12-13 02:44:31 AM  

Peki: Danger Avoid Death: rogue_L_chick: biatches be trippin'.

WOOHOOO!!! A FOURTH WAVE!!!

I need a gif of a sports stadium wave. . .


I did a search for "the wave gif" and nothin'. I did a search for "stadium wave gif" and nothin'. I did a search for "the wave fans gif" and the first two alternate headings for related categories were "Honey Boo Boo" and "Anime Fap".

I really don't like where this is going. I quit. You're on your own.
 
2013-12-13 02:45:19 AM  

Peki: And I AM disenfranchised among my own sisterhood. Comes with being transgendered. *shrug*


This seems paradoxical to me.

Then again, "academic feminist" is usually the nicest way of saying "transphobic sack of shiat" in my personal lexicon.

/Trans
//Ex-Feminist
 
2013-12-13 02:49:59 AM  

Quinsisdos: Peki: And I AM disenfranchised among my own sisterhood. Comes with being transgendered. *shrug*

This seems paradoxical to me.

Then again, "academic feminist" is usually the nicest way of saying "transphobic sack of shiat" in my personal lexicon.

/Trans
//Ex-Feminist


LOL. That wasn't my experience. There was way more heterophobia than issues with trans folk. I actually got asked by my professor never to use the word "blowjob" in class because it made the other women uncomfortable. The prof was cool, so when I looked at her weird she went, I know I know, school regs, I have to say something.

I just call myself a feminist. You can add whatever label you want to that.

/more interested in true reproductive choice, for example, not just the right to choose an abortion, but the right to have a child and NOT have it effect your economic status
//having a child is the greatest predictor of bankruptcy in the U.S. That's just stupid. (Source: Elizabeth Warren, Two-Income Trap, yes THAT Elizabeth Warren)
 
2013-12-13 02:52:37 AM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Hearing "What's your excuse for being fat?" from the wife of a soccer star who can spend the day at home working out sounds pretty much exactly like Mitt Romney telling the poor that they need to get an education or start a business by borrowing money from their parents. There's just a massive amount of ignorance that comes off as smugness, or vice versa, that ignores the reality a lot of people face. That kind of inconsiderate attitude can most definitely draw anger, but there's just enough truth behind the comment to be defensible.
That said, shaming is never a good motivator, whether it be shaming the viewer directly or shaming their actions, it's still a negative form of encouragement. There are better ways that could have been phrased that wouldn't have provoked anywhere near as much ire.


+1

Only post worth reading, IMO.
 
2013-12-13 02:52:57 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: Peki: Danger Avoid Death: rogue_L_chick: biatches be trippin'.

WOOHOOO!!! A FOURTH WAVE!!!

I need a gif of a sports stadium wave. . .

I did a search for "the wave gif" and nothin'. I did a search for "stadium wave gif" and nothin'. I did a search for "the wave fans gif" and the first two alternate headings for related categories were "Honey Boo Boo" and "Anime Fap".

I really don't like where this is going. I quit. You're on your own.



i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-13 02:53:53 AM  

impaler: Sergeant Grumbles: Hearing "What's your excuse for being fat?" from the wife of a soccer star who can spend the day at home working out sounds pretty much exactly like Mitt Romney telling the poor that they need to get an education or start a business by borrowing money from their parents. There's just a massive amount of ignorance that comes off as smugness, or vice versa, that ignores the reality a lot of people face. That kind of inconsiderate attitude can most definitely draw anger, but there's just enough truth behind the comment to be defensible.
That said, shaming is never a good motivator, whether it be shaming the viewer directly or shaming their actions, it's still a negative form of encouragement. There are better ways that could have been phrased that wouldn't have provoked anywhere near as much ire.

+1

Only post worth reading, IMO.


That's not funny or controversial or entertaining. It's... Just... Rational.

That's not what fark is for.
 
2013-12-13 02:55:40 AM  

Peki: impaler: Peki: Sort of. It was my minor. My major was English

Ok now I'm curious. What do you do with that degree?

What I told Deb was social justice work (true--I work with a local Unitarian Universalist church--these are the people getting arrested in Arizona protesting the profiling law, in Texas during Wendy Davis' filibuster, etc.) blah blah blah blah blah


That was a joke.
 
2013-12-13 02:56:47 AM  

impaler: Peki: impaler: Peki: Sort of. It was my minor. My major was English

Ok now I'm curious. What do you do with that degree?

What I told Deb was social justice work (true--I work with a local Unitarian Universalist church--these are the people getting arrested in Arizona protesting the profiling law, in Texas during Wendy Davis' filibuster, etc.) blah blah blah blah blah

That was a joke.


Sorry. I tend to take that stuff literally. *blush*
 
2013-12-13 02:57:58 AM  

Peki: Quinsisdos: Peki: And I AM disenfranchised among my own sisterhood. Comes with being transgendered. *shrug*

This seems paradoxical to me.

Then again, "academic feminist" is usually the nicest way of saying "transphobic sack of shiat" in my personal lexicon.

/Trans
//Ex-Feminist

LOL. That wasn't my experience. There was way more heterophobia than issues with trans folk. I actually got asked by my professor never to use the word "blowjob" in class because it made the other women uncomfortable. The prof was cool, so when I looked at her weird she went, I know I know, school regs, I have to say something.

I just call myself a feminist. You can add whatever label you want to that.

/more interested in true reproductive choice, for example, not just the right to choose an abortion, but the right to have a child and NOT have it effect your economic status
//having a child is the greatest predictor of bankruptcy in the U.S. That's just stupid. (Source: Elizabeth Warren, Two-Income Trap, yes THAT Elizabeth Warren)


Geese, can we get a trigger warning before you type words like that?

And I never put two and two together. I'd heard of the book, but I did realize the author. Neat.

I like her more.
 
2013-12-13 03:00:17 AM  

sendtodave: Geese, can we get a trigger warning before you type words like that?


mothergoosesmiles.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-13 03:03:04 AM  

sendtodave: Geese, can we get a trigger warning before you type words like that?


Okay, when the hell did "trigger" become so prevalent? I swear, in 30 years I'd never heard it. Now in two months, I must have heard it 20 times?
 
2013-12-13 03:06:53 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: sendtodave: Geese, can we get a trigger warning before you type words like that?


:D

Autocorrect is fin.
 
2013-12-13 03:07:42 AM  

DebinCO: I've spent all my life in academia.


The hell you say.
 
2013-12-13 03:16:37 AM  

sendtodave: Danger Avoid Death: sendtodave: Geese, can we get a trigger warning before you type words like that?

:D

Autocorrect is fin.


Personally, I lobe it.
 
2013-12-13 04:00:07 AM  

sendtodave: impaler: Sergeant Grumbles: Hearing "What's your excuse for being fat?" from the wife of a soccer star who can spend the day at home working out sounds pretty much exactly like Mitt Romney telling the poor that they need to get an education or start a business by borrowing money from their parents. There's just a massive amount of ignorance that comes off as smugness, or vice versa, that ignores the reality a lot of people face. That kind of inconsiderate attitude can most definitely draw anger, but there's just enough truth behind the comment to be defensible.
That said, shaming is never a good motivator, whether it be shaming the viewer directly or shaming their actions, it's still a negative form of encouragement. There are better ways that could have been phrased that wouldn't have provoked anywhere near as much ire.

+1

Only post worth reading, IMO.

That's not funny or controversial or entertaining. It's... Just... Rational.

That's not what fark is for.


I thought the women folks were just catty till I read that and it kind of changed my mind about this entire thing. Not entirely, but definitely made me look at it a bit different.
 
2013-12-13 05:07:58 AM  
First, it does seem a little strange that so much emphasis would be put on getting back into mating form ASAP once she's squeezed out a pup. I mean, unless she's in tight competition with other females for her mate, or for another potential mate.

Second, it seems as tho there's a very narrow definition of healthy at work here, one that only depends on fitness. Fit and healthy aren't always equivalent; in fact, they can be at odds more often than not. As fit as a lot of elite athletes may be, I'd be hesitant to call them healthy, especially given the myriad injuries that accompany performance at those levels. Additionally, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who are quite fit... and suffering from heart attacks, strokes, etc.

Last, I wonder if there's a skewed perception of what body fat percentages look like in real terms. This is a good article that provides pics and explanations for the various ranges. It's surprising wrt what we imagine looks fit.

Sample:

www.builtlean.com
 
2013-12-13 05:26:44 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: First, it does seem a little strange that so much emphasis would be put on getting back into mating form ASAP once she's squeezed out a pup. I mean, unless she's in tight competition with other females for her mate, or for another potential mate.

Second, it seems as tho there's a very narrow definition of healthy at work here, one that only depends on fitness. Fit and healthy aren't always equivalent; in fact, they can be at odds more often than not. As fit as a lot of elite athletes may be, I'd be hesitant to call them healthy, especially given the myriad injuries that accompany performance at those levels. Additionally, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who are quite fit... and suffering from heart attacks, strokes, etc.

Last, I wonder if there's a skewed perception of what body fat percentages look like in real terms. This is a good article that provides pics and explanations for the various ranges. It's surprising wrt what we imagine looks fit.

Sample:

[www.builtlean.com image 400x273]


Interesting article.  Thanks for the link.

And I find the ladies in the 25% - 35% range the most attractive.
 
2013-12-13 06:17:57 AM  

pushcart: Women with extra weight are hot. Biological determinism wires men to find them so. Look at ancient fertility figurines. Their shape signals fecundity and stimulates the male urge to procreate.


Those fertility figurines are also from a period in which malnutrition was likely to kill babies. Someone who was able to be that fat so long ago obviously had access to resources to prevent infant malnutrition.

For the people complaining about stay at home moms with the full resources of the Bat Credit Card:

It doesn't take a lot of time or money to stay fit and at a healthy weight. People also don't need to look like the woman regularly posted in this thread to be fit and at a healthy weight. Success isn't defined by the extremes. Being healthy and fit doesn't mean visible abs and the ability to run a full marathon.
 
2013-12-13 06:42:17 AM  

ZeroCorpse: For all the Kim Kardashian lovers out there:

[www.gumbumper.com image 550x366]

Yum, right?


So, she has herpes. Everyone has it! (according to a lot of farkers, anyway).
 
2013-12-13 06:56:55 AM  

rzrwiresunrise:  Last, I wonder if there's a skewed perception of what body fat percentages look like in real terms. This is a good article that provides pics and explanations for the various ranges. It's surprising wrt what we imagine looks fit.

Sample:

[www.builtlean.com image 400x273]


Great article, thanks!
BMI is a fouled up way of assessing fitness.

Too bad you had this: "there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who are quite fit... and suffering from heart attacks, strokes, etc."
Anecdotal evidence.  The best kind.  *rolles eyes*  There is solid evidence that ALS is more common in athletes.  Small price to pay for a greatly reduced incidence of heart disease, diabetes, and a host of other problems.
 
2013-12-13 07:45:14 AM  

spamdog: What possible other explanation could there be for this?


I guess I'm the only one who read "explanation" as "ejaculation"?

/Funnier that way
//Off to get caffeine
///Slashies still "come" in threes
 
2013-12-13 08:01:25 AM  
Applies then, applies today and will long into the future.
 
2013-12-13 08:04:27 AM  
Anything that constantly reinforces the idea that a women can only be judged on their physical appearance and says that that value judgement is based on unrealistic photoshopped images can only be a good thing.

They might start getting better at blow jobs or trim their ladygarden to compensate for example.
 
2013-12-13 08:40:38 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: First, it does seem a little strange that so much emphasis would be put on getting back into mating form ASAP once she's squeezed out a pup. I mean, unless she's in tight competition with other females for her mate, or for another potential mate.


For the gal ITFA, she IS in tight competition with other females for her mate.  She's got three kids and has a lot to do, a less than fully participating male might have extra time for an extra woman in that instance.

Her husband is wealthy, recognizable, and has status.  There are TONS of women that would put great effort into taking him away. He may even be very attractive.

Those women, are the ones getting pissed at her. She just killed not only their options, but also fantasies of finding some guy with money/fame/looks with a fat wife to take from the fat wife.

Nothing motivates women more than competing with other women.

/I gotta figure out how to leverage that....
 
2013-12-13 08:53:42 AM  

serial_crusher: Nobody's fat because they eat too much.


Incorrect.
 
2013-12-13 09:08:01 AM  

Frederick: rzrwiresunrise: First, it does seem a little strange that so much emphasis would be put on getting back into mating form ASAP once she's squeezed out a pup. I mean, unless she's in tight competition with other females for her mate, or for another potential mate.

Second, it seems as tho there's a very narrow definition of healthy at work here, one that only depends on fitness. Fit and healthy aren't always equivalent; in fact, they can be at odds more often than not. As fit as a lot of elite athletes may be, I'd be hesitant to call them healthy, especially given the myriad injuries that accompany performance at those levels. Additionally, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who are quite fit... and suffering from heart attacks, strokes, etc.

Last, I wonder if there's a skewed perception of what body fat percentages look like in real terms. This is a good article that provides pics and explanations for the various ranges. It's surprising wrt what we imagine looks fit.

Sample:

[www.builtlean.com image 400x273]

Interesting article.  Thanks for the link.

And I find the ladies in the 25% - 35% range the most attractive.


Glad you like...
That whole range between 25%-35% has been a series of wonderful adventures for me...
 
2013-12-13 09:25:18 AM  

Laobaojun: rzrwiresunrise:  Last, I wonder if there's a skewed perception of what body fat percentages look like in real terms. This is a good article that provides pics and explanations for the various ranges. It's surprising wrt what we imagine looks fit.

Sample:

[www.builtlean.com image 400x273]

Great article, thanks!
BMI is a fouled up way of assessing fitness.

Too bad you had this: "there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who are quite fit... and suffering from heart attacks, strokes, etc."
Anecdotal evidence.  The best kind.  *rolles eyes*  There is solid evidence that ALS is more common in athletes.  Small price to pay for a greatly reduced incidence of heart disease, diabetes, and a host of other problems.


Considering such a study has that <i>eau de cum hoc</i> fragrance about it, I don't see that as any better than anecdotal evidence. And health isn't just about the heart disease either. Arthritis, torn ligaments, tendonitis, fractures, etc are all consequences of athletic training, and more often than not of over-training. My original point still applies: fitness isn't equivalent to health.
 
2013-12-13 09:33:22 AM  
I just don't get people. I really, really don't.

This woman worked for her body. She reaped what she sowed. So yes, "what's your excuse?". American women seem to have pages and pages of them. My own sister, very obese, had been to tons of drs to get her thyroid tested because we have thyroid problems in the family, all drs told her her thyroid is fine, she's obese because of an extremely poor diet, but she still shopped drs until she found one that gave her thyroid meds JUST so she'd have an excuse. She still eats 5,000 calories or more a day, but "it's her thyroid".

When I'm pregnant I eat whatever the fark I want because eff you I'm pregnant, uncomfortable and good makes me happy. I gain on average 40 lbs. when I'm not pregnant I have a herd of children to taxi around, feed, and keep from being too traumatized lest their sense-of-humor-building dysfunction turn into something more severe like mental illness. I also have a fat husband. And, as already mentioned, genetic predisposition to being a fatty mcbutterpants.

But... BUT... I also have this amazing thing that apparently sold out of American shelves in 1985 and was immediately replaced by a book entitled "10,001 reasons why it's not your fault you're fat! -written and illustrated by Ronald McDonald"

This magical thing? It's called WILLPOWER. See, when I'm not pregnant I eat less, breastfeed, take my kids to the scary, scary outdoors, and even... Are you ready for this? MAKE FOOD THAT DOESNT INVOLVE A MICROWAVE OR A DRIVE THRU. It's a scary concept, I know. And blah blah blah to the "I'm so busy" bs-ers. Take the stairs. Pack a healthy lunch. Stop drinking soda (diet included). Make healthy dinner in a crockpot. Quit with the excuses.

I'm on crotchspawn #4 right now, 33 weeks baked, soothing my pregnancy woes with everything nabisco has ever injected lard into (read: Oreos). Why don't I look like fitness mom right now? Too lazy. My choice. My body is my responsibility. Next year at this time I hope to be back down to my pre-pregnancy 120lbs. But if im not? I'll just find someone else to blame. It's the American way!

You'll have to excuse typos, I'm on my autocorrect-obsessive phone.
 
2013-12-13 10:09:38 AM  

Peki: /more interested in true reproductive choice, for example, not just the right to choose an abortion, but the right to have a child and NOT have it effect your economic status
//having a child is the greatest predictor of bankruptcy in the U.S. That's just stupid. (Source: Elizabeth Warren, Two-Income Trap, yes THAT Elizabeth Warren)


So all tax payers would get to be your sugardaddy. How about no. Does that work for you?
 
2013-12-13 10:17:57 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"

the fat cows who don't like being reminded they are fat cows.

FTFY
 
2013-12-13 10:20:44 AM  

Peki: Frederick: Who do you think is most often placing value on a woman's sex appeal -men or women?  In this example the woman clearly has attributed her value to her sex appeal.

Chicken and egg question. They perpetuate it equally, and I don't really care who started it.



I go to the gym 5 days a week and I like how it makes me look. It makes me feel confident and I do it for me, not my wife.

Who are you to tell me that I should feel guilty about trying to make myself look fit and be healthy?

Your twisted, self-loathing doesn't define my self-image and I reject your belief that it is supposed to.
 
2013-12-13 10:37:16 AM  

Peki: My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it


As opposed to the cultural context of its ok to be a fat cow and use every excuse you can to justify it and make others accept it?


We have an obesity problem in this (and many other countries) and it seems the way we are going to deal with it is to normalize it and make it acceptable.

We have to many people in this country (men and women) sitting on the coach with a quart of Haagen-Dazs and a bag of Oreos listening to the view or Oprah pushing body acceptance.  The pregnant, big boned , metabolically challenged, depressed excuses are just excuses and don't fly.

We have at least 30% of this country of 300 million plus people with weight problems and no system be it Obamacare, Canadian or whatever is going to be able to afford to pay for the consequences of it.
 
2013-12-13 10:49:35 AM  
I have a theory that postpartum depression stems from not being able to get a good dicking for 6 weeks (or more) after giving birth.  Penis cures all ails.
 
2013-12-13 11:35:57 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: First, it does seem a little strange that so much emphasis would be put on getting back into mating form ASAP once she's squeezed out a pup. I mean, unless she's in tight competition with other females for her mate, or for another potential mate.

Second, it seems as tho there's a very narrow definition of healthy at work here, one that only depends on fitness. Fit and healthy aren't always equivalent; in fact, they can be at odds more often than not. As fit as a lot of elite athletes may be, I'd be hesitant to call them healthy, especially given the myriad injuries that accompany performance at those levels. Additionally, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of people who are quite fit... and suffering from heart attacks, strokes, etc.

Last, I wonder if there's a skewed perception of what body fat percentages look like in real terms. This is a good article that provides pics and explanations for the various ranges. It's surprising wrt what we imagine looks fit.

Sample:

[www.builtlean.com image 400x273]



This this farking this.  Women think they're judged, men are judged on a much tougher scale.  This needs a survey thread.  For me the doable range for women is 20-40, with 30 being the ideal.  What the doable range for men (according to craigslist women and Farkettes) is 10-20, with 10 being the ideal.
 
2013-12-13 11:40:33 AM  
RED ALERT! Someone's feelings have been hurt again!
 
2013-12-13 12:07:25 PM  

PerfectHotSauce: I just don't get the outrage. To me, the fitness trainer was sending out a challenge to women who want to get in shape and get healthy, but are having trouble finding motivation or are making excuses that they know are just excuses. If that's not an immediate goal of yours, why are you even paying attention? I'm 18 weeks pregnant with my first and I'm holding Maria Kang as a role model. I don't want to go down the road other members of my family have gone down and still be fighting my baby weight 20 years after my daughter is born, which sounds like what she was doing. Looking at her makes me feel optimistic that that's a lifelong battle I won't have to face. If you look at her and feel anger and outrage, that says more about your issues than hers.



I  more than agree. I worked out t hroughout my pregnancy, lost the weight right away, and did it again a year later with my 2nd kid. And I was in my late 30s. And my whole family's fat.
Guess what, though I lost the weight and work out 5 days per week, Kang was a beauty queen with a certain "look" before pregnancy and i wwasn't. I still don't and won't have her body type. I don't look like her.

I think I look good and I'm glad she looks good and glad to see a woman happy with herself.

If her quesiton is "what's your excuse for being obese and not trying to lose baby weight a year later" I get it completely. But I don't think that is what she is all about. I think she is saying "What's your excuse for not looking like ME  ME ME" and  "how can I attention whore so I can get more clients?" I suspect there is also some insecurity there IN HER. She probably had dreams of being miss america. I am not sure hwat her excuse is for not winning beauty pageants at the national level, becuase obviously other women can manage to, but in any event, I suspect she needs how great she is despite not being miss america to be acknowledged by all.
 
2013-12-13 12:17:51 PM  
This magical thing? It's called WILLPOWER. See, when I'm not pregnant I eat less, breastfeed, take my kids to the scary, scary outdoors, and even... Are you ready for this? MAKE FOOD THAT DOESNT INVOLVE A MICROWAVE OR A DRIVE THRU. It's a scary concept, I know. And blah blah blah to the "I'm so busy" bs-ers. Take the stairs. Pack a healthy lunch. Stop drinking soda (diet included). Make healthy dinner in a crockpot. Quit with the excuses.

Lots of us do all of the above and we don't look like Ms. Kang. Do you look like Ms Kang? No? Then what's your excuse?
 
2013-12-13 12:25:39 PM  

voristrupp: This magical thing? It's called WILLPOWER. See, when I'm not pregnant I eat less, breastfeed, take my kids to the scary, scary outdoors, and even... Are you ready for this? MAKE FOOD THAT DOESNT INVOLVE A MICROWAVE OR A DRIVE THRU. It's a scary concept, I know. And blah blah blah to the "I'm so busy" bs-ers. Take the stairs. Pack a healthy lunch. Stop drinking soda (diet included). Make healthy dinner in a crockpot. Quit with the excuses.

Lots of us do all of the above and we don't look like Ms. Kang. Do you look like Ms Kang? No? Then what's your excuse?


That post really should have included some actual working out instead of just "take the stairs".  I've seen too many people who consider that a legitimate excuse for exercise.
My ex girlfriend slowly transitioned into one of those during the course of our relationship.  The last straw was that she got a pedometer and would brag about how far she walked during the normal course of her day.  Two whole miles, wow!

/ Also, "going to the gym" does not mean walking on the elliptical for 15 minutes, then doing 5-10 reps on the biceps machine at a low weight.  Most people who "do all the same things fit people do but still can't lose weight" aren't actually paying attention to what fit people do.
 
2013-12-13 12:31:16 PM  
Oh, I should also add that a lot of people have no idea what "eat a healthy lunch" means, and think they're doing it but aren't.  Actual conversation with previously mentioned ex-girlfriend-turned-sedant:
her: "I just feel so exhausted, like I have no energy"
me: "Runners call that feeling 'bonking' and it's usually the result of nutritional mistakes.  What'd you eat for dinner?"
her: "a bowl of cereal"
me: "ok fair enough, what about lunch?"
her: "a bowl of cereal"
me: "umm... breakfast?"
her: "....cereal...."
 But it's the Healthy cereal!  Says so right there in the brand name!
 
2013-12-13 01:22:15 PM  
when did every single woman get so damn sensitive and filled with excuses?

You don't have to spend hours in a gym to not be fat.

Just don't eat 3,000 calories a farking day.

Not over-eating doesn't take time.

It doesn't require you to be rich or anything.

PUT the farking fork down.
 
2013-12-13 02:02:36 PM  
I don't know. Maybe people ought to live their own damn lives and stop trying to keep up with the Joneses? It's worked pretty well for me.
 
2013-12-13 02:21:44 PM  

Peki: DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.


Now that's comedy.
 
2013-12-13 08:44:36 PM  

Pangea: Peki: Frederick: Who do you think is most often placing value on a woman's sex appeal -men or women?  In this example the woman clearly has attributed her value to her sex appeal.

Chicken and egg question. They perpetuate it equally, and I don't really care who started it.


I go to the gym 5 days a week and I like how it makes me look. It makes me feel confident and I do it for me, not my wife.

Who are you to tell me that I should feel guilty about trying to make myself look fit and be healthy?

Your twisted, self-loathing doesn't define my self-image and I reject your belief that it is supposed to.


Neither of us said that. Take your straw man elsewhere.
 
2013-12-14 12:12:11 AM  

sendtodave: Peki: sendtodave: People tend to put value on what they are good at. Some people are good at looking good. They shouldn't value that? That shouldn't be an important part of their self identity?

Those are called models, and they have something called photoshop.

This picture? It ignores the social structures behind the woman that allow her to have that body.

LadyHawke: I notice that it's almost always actresses, fitness models, and fitness bloggers who end up losing the weight quickly.  If it were my job to be in insanely good shape and I was paid enough so I didn't have to do anything but workout and eat perfectly, I would probably have those abs too.

This touches on it.

theMightyRegeya: All right, so it's a second response, but I felt the need to add something on top of questioning why physically fit==whore (or something.)

I don't think physical fitness = whore. I think a selfie of your ultrafit body four days after birth (that you KNOW other women can't have)   = AW who knows she's destroying other women's self-esteem.

Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?

That doesn't make sense. No, it's based on how they feel that they look.

You're saying that we we get rid of food looking people, more women would feel better about themselves, basically.

Everyone gets a medal!


Ok I am coming in really late with this one but I believe women's insecurity in relation to how they look compared to other women maybe caused by how society has been engineered so that for a long time women were highly reliant on men for their survival and the survival of their children.   It has only been in very recent history that women have been able to earn enough money to ensure their own survival or the survival of their children without a man (husband).   This has meant for a lot of human history if a man left a woman for a more desirable,  better looking, younger woman that loss could, and this is not being dramatic, mean the possible death through poverty or starvation of the abandoned woman's children and most likely extreme poverty for the woman.   Although this has changed,  changes are slow and society still pushes that how a woman looks is more important than what she does,  her personality or any other attribute she brings to the word and this is especially so when it comes to whether or not she will be able to find a life partner.
 
2013-12-14 12:14:42 AM  

Laobaojun: Anne.Uumellmahaye: This is the first time I've ever seen this image, I'm sorry that I feel no rage for you to be outraged about.

I also don't think it tells women to plop a kid out and immediately head for the treadmill so they can be sexy again. That's not a particularly sexy picture. She's hot, but she's also surrounded by toddlers. Get fit to be fit. If it makes you feel sexy, well then bonus. If you feel unsexy because you're not fit, either work on your physical fitness or work on your mental fitness. Either way, that's your issue, not hers.

This too.
As a guy who is fighting genetics, I sympathize, but surrender is lame.  Fit is sexy, but fit is also fit.  I have never heard of someone who was fit, but didn't feel sexy. Anorexic is not fit, and low BMI with no muscle tone is not fit, and it really does not take that much time out of your week to stay fit.
If this photo made you feel bad, get off your butt, cut the portions down, and stop feeling unfit.


I don't completely disagree with your point, but look at elite marathon runners. They are (arguably) the fittest people on the planet with rock bottom BMIs and almost zero muscle tone even in their legs. You can't really say that everyone without muscle is not fit.
 
2013-12-14 12:29:09 AM  

bmwericus: LadyHawke: I notice that it's almost always actresses, fitness models, and fitness bloggers who end up losing the weight quickly.  If it were my job to be in insanely good shape and I was paid enough so I didn't have to do anything but workout and eat perfectly, I would probably have those abs too.

There's a lot of factors at work here, let's face it.

There are some women who take the whole "Hey, I'm eating for TWO!" thing as an excuse to pack on 50 lbs for a pregnancy - which is way more than you need to from the get go - IIRC, a healthy gain is like 20-25 lbs or a bit more.  You don't have to double your normal intake for nine months.

I think that Post Partum depression is a big factor too for some women - my wife had it pretty bad for a couple months.

The point about seeing fitness nuts and celebs whose sole job is to look good - well yea - imagine how many hours a day these gals worked out prior to, during and probably shortly after giving birth?  Plus, for the rich celebs, top notch medical care during to insure eating enough but not too much, a chef to prepare you meals - etc.  Sweet life?  Must make it easier anyway.

I'm not going to comment on the 'letting yourself go' - I'm a guy and gained a ton of weight over a few years and lost it with great effort, so I know about that problem.  I blame a job that just sucked my soul out, and had me working too many hours in a swivel chair.

And if you are pissed by seeing those pics, well, think of them as an object lesson in how it CAN be done, if you are motivated.


Firstly I believe women who find this bloggers images upsetting are not necessarily fat, but probably took more than four days to even get their post pregnancy belly down from bloating and after birth blood, let alone fat.

Also because they see someone who has practically all the time in the world to lose weight.   Let's get this woman put her on a lower middle income,  give her a 10 hour a day job in an office, get her driving 80 minutes to and from work each day. Have her, not a nanny or paid person help the children with homework,  bathing, getting lunches ready, cleaning the house  Then lets see if her body looks the same  a year later.

This blogger looks good and she has obviously put in a lot of effort, but she is delusional if she thinks she would be able to put in the same effort if she did not have the rich husband and time to devote to this.    Not to say she would be extremely over weight,  but I am very sure she would be a lot chubbier than she is.
 
2013-12-14 02:47:53 AM  
Two moderate workouts a week will keep anyone in shape.

Hardest excecise at the gym is pulling open the front door.
 
2013-12-14 07:47:18 AM  

studebaker hoch: Two moderate workouts a week will keep anyone in shape.

Hardest excecise at the gym is pulling open the front door.


I plan on plagiarizing the heck out of "hardest exercise..."
But portion control is the other half of the equation.
 
2013-12-14 10:18:27 AM  
FizixJunkee:
You didn't get your PhD in physics, did you?

The "dumbest" physicist I know probably has an IQ in the 100-110 range which, by physics standards, is quite low.  The guy didn't graduate from a top tier school, either.   However, he did work his butt off to graduate, and still works his butt off as a research scientist (he got lucky and chose a "hot field" for which there were ample post doc and research opportunities).   Frankly, he must put that much effort into his work to be any good at it...it just takes him longer to "get" stuff than it does his colleagues/competitors.

I respect that guy a lot and even consider him a friend.  But I seriously doubt he'll ever make significant contributions in his field, even with all the effort he puts into it.

In summary,

1. Persistence and hard work are required to get a PhD, but that doesn't mean they'll be enough to succeed in science once you have your PhD;

2. The smarter you are, the less hard work you have to put into your PhD to graduate.


Wow.
1. Any research outside of physics is inferior.
2. The only reason one would do a PhD is to become a scientist.
3. Making a "significant" contribution to a field you studied in is the only measure of success.
4. And respecting someone you believe to be inferior proves you are superior ("even consider him a friend", seriously?).
Yep, you sound like a physicist alright. How the hell can supposed smarter people not see their own asshole quotient?
Tip to help you in social situations; when you feel the urge to speak... don't... it will take longer for people to dislike you.
 
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