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2013-12-12 11:08:15 PM

voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?


But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?
 
2013-12-12 11:08:55 PM

sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?


You will probably need money or a scholarship also.
 
2013-12-12 11:09:35 PM

sendtodave: Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.

I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.


Why? If I have a porn stash, so should he.

/just makes it easy and convenient that it's the same stash

sendtodave: Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?


What? You don't feel a little self-conscious every time a successful looking guy driving your dream car comes on TV? You don't feel that pull, that social gaze, judging you, telling you that you aren't good enough? You don't see the muscular, trim dudes, then look in the mirror and not feel a little down?

Guys, quit acting like peer pressure doesn't work on you too.
 
2013-12-12 11:10:00 PM

Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.


And maybe a little intelligence?
 
2013-12-12 11:10:28 PM

theMightyRegeya: And if you check out her website, she explains why she's physically fit.


It's also pretty cool that she helps other people achieve their goals.  And good on her.

For the rest of y'all; "Always with the negative waves, Moriarity! ... Why can you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"
 
2013-12-12 11:10:49 PM
sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.
 
2013-12-12 11:10:49 PM

LadyHawke: I notice that it's almost always actresses, fitness models, and fitness bloggers who end up losing the weight quickly.  If it were my job to be in insanely good shape and I was paid enough so I didn't have to do anything but workout and eat perfectly, I would probably have those abs too.


There's a lot of factors at work here, let's face it.

There are some women who take the whole "Hey, I'm eating for TWO!" thing as an excuse to pack on 50 lbs for a pregnancy - which is way more than you need to from the get go - IIRC, a healthy gain is like 20-25 lbs or a bit more.  You don't have to double your normal intake for nine months.

I think that Post Partum depression is a big factor too for some women - my wife had it pretty bad for a couple months.

The point about seeing fitness nuts and celebs whose sole job is to look good - well yea - imagine how many hours a day these gals worked out prior to, during and probably shortly after giving birth?  Plus, for the rich celebs, top notch medical care during to insure eating enough but not too much, a chef to prepare you meals - etc.  Sweet life?  Must make it easier anyway.

I'm not going to comment on the 'letting yourself go' - I'm a guy and gained a ton of weight over a few years and lost it with great effort, so I know about that problem.  I blame a job that just sucked my soul out, and had me working too many hours in a swivel chair.

And if you are pissed by seeing those pics, well, think of them as an object lesson in how it CAN be done, if you are motivated.
 
2013-12-12 11:11:28 PM

Peki: sendtodave: Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.

I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.

Why? If I have a porn stash, so should he.

/just makes it easy and convenient that it's the same stash

sendtodave: Women's self esteem is based on how another woman looks?

What? You don't feel a little self-conscious every time a successful looking guy driving your dream car comes on TV? You don't feel that pull, that social gaze, judging you, telling you that you aren't good enough? You don't see the muscular, trim dudes, then look in the mirror and not feel a little down?

Guys, quit acting like peer pressure doesn't work on you too.


My gut response is usually "so, what, pretty boy, you think you're better than me or something? Huh?"

Because I don't.
 
2013-12-12 11:12:03 PM

Anne.Uumellmahaye: This is the first time I've ever seen this image, I'm sorry that I feel no rage for you to be outraged about.

I also don't think it tells women to plop a kid out and immediately head for the treadmill so they can be sexy again. That's not a particularly sexy picture. She's hot, but she's also surrounded by toddlers. Get fit to be fit. If it makes you feel sexy, well then bonus. If you feel unsexy because you're not fit, either work on your physical fitness or work on your mental fitness. Either way, that's your issue, not hers.


Totally.  Why do women get soooo frickin' bananas about a woman posting pics of herself?  She feels good about her body, not bad about yours.  Catty.  It gets out of control sometimes.
 
2013-12-12 11:13:02 PM

Olo Manolo: Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"

1: all selfies are of the "Look at me!" variety..
2: she has the right to be proud of her body, she is effing hot..
3: she didn't call anybody a fat lazy cow, or boast that she is better than anybody.. did you happen to read her whole "apology" article? the one where she correctly states that we are a fat country and it's bad for our health? the whole thing was about getting people to exercise some and eat better, it was all true, and good advice, but STILL people were crying "this hurts my poor wittle feewings!"
4: you sound fat...


Being fat often goes hand in hand with depression.  Insulting somebody who is depressed and/or fat is not a good way to motivate someone,  In fact it will often make the situation worse.
 
2013-12-12 11:13:22 PM
One of these women if not both was actually a beauty queen to begin with, who could never quite nake it all the eay at the national level.


So i doubt it's just about being fit. It is about her marketing herself and implying (albeit with plausible deniability) that others who dont have the beauty queen look have failed in some way and,are making excuses.

It was also a dumb business move, because i doubt she got the intended effect of het attention whoring endeavors. If i was looking for a trainer, she wouldnt be someone i would feel very motivated by (and i do cardio bootcamp and bikram yoga with some real bad asses. )
 
2013-12-12 11:13:23 PM

TastyEloi: sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.


So, intelligent people shouldn't be proud of their intelligence, ambitious people shouldn't be proud of their ambition, friendly people shouldn't be proud of their ability to make friends....

Unless they worked real hard?

We should only be proud of our dump stats?
 
2013-12-12 11:13:35 PM

Fathym: And maybe a little intelligence?


For some reason your response brought to mind a story one of my professors told:

A mathematician had to go to some conference in Nevada for whatever reason and his wife badgered him into bringing her with him.  Once he completed the conference he went home.  However, he neglected to bring his wife back with him as he was absent minded.  Not sure if she ever went on a trip with him again.
 
2013-12-12 11:14:27 PM

Fathym: Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.

And maybe a little intelligence?


How little? I might qualify.
 
2013-12-12 11:16:09 PM

Peki: What? You don't feel a little self-conscious every time a successful looking guy driving your dream car comes on TV? You don't feel that pull, that social gaze, judging you, telling you that you aren't good enough? You don't see the muscular, trim dudes, then look in the mirror and not feel a little down?

Guys, quit acting like peer pressure doesn't work on you too.


You sound like you are projecting some onto sendtodave.
 
2013-12-12 11:16:49 PM

sendtodave: TastyEloi: sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.

So, intelligent people shouldn't be proud of their intelligence, ambitious people shouldn't be proud of their ambition, friendly people shouldn't be proud of their ability to make friends....

Unless they worked real hard?

We should only be proud of our dump stats?


I think what he's saying is that the only pride that everyone respects is hard work. You can be proud of your talents but no one gives a shiat unless you produce something exceptional with them.
 
2013-12-12 11:17:01 PM

sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?


No. I would not say that someone with an IQ of 100 can get a phd.

Nor would i assume that there is,something wrong with someone who can't get a GRE score in the 90th percentile to get admitted to a legit phd program.
 
2013-12-12 11:18:03 PM

cretinbob: [blog.zap2it.com image 550x347]


Just watched that ep. Funniest thing they've done in 4 years.

/not a hobbit
 
2013-12-12 11:18:53 PM

sendtodave: Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.

I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.


And that's not even of a naked woman. This is that "I'm a fit mom with my kids" pic right? WTF
 
2013-12-12 11:19:21 PM

TastyEloi: Laobaojun:   I have never heard of someone who was fit, but didn't feel sexy.

Thereare lots of people who have fit bodies but who have homely faces, or are short, or very tall, who don't ever feel sexy, despite having otherwise attractive, fit bodies.


I am short, and slightly overweight.

My wife prefers hard bodies.

I'm not losing sleep over it. Because I know I'm sexy as hell.
 
2013-12-12 11:21:06 PM

dr_blasto: sendtodave: Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.

I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.

And that's not even of a naked woman. This is that "I'm a fit mom with my kids" pic right? WTF


In his defense, he didn't notice that there were kids in the pic at first. I had to point them out.
 
2013-12-12 11:21:35 PM

Frederick: Olo Manolo: Benevolent Misanthrope: It's not post-pregnancy fitness selfies that are causing the rage, you idiots.  It's the post-pregnancy fitness selfies accompanied by a caption on the order of, "Look at me!!!  If you aren't predisposed to lose weight quickly and look like me, you're a fat, lazy cow and I WIN ALL THE THINGS!!!!"

1: all selfies are of the "Look at me!" variety..
2: she has the right to be proud of her body, she is effing hot..
3: she didn't call anybody a fat lazy cow, or boast that she is better than anybody.. did you happen to read her whole "apology" article? the one where she correctly states that we are a fat country and it's bad for our health? the whole thing was about getting people to exercise some and eat better, it was all true, and good advice, but STILL people were crying "this hurts my poor wittle feewings!"
4: you sound fat...

I bet you think you are often misunderstood.



not sure what relevance that could possibly have... refute anything I said, then come back with your attempts to belittle. I make decisions based on reality, not people's feelings.. but since the states are so fluent in snowflakery and "political correctness", we have to disguise the truth behind all of the candy coating that's necessary to coddle the hyper sensitive..

your poor wittle feewings don't shouldn't entitle you to dictate what other people can/can't say/do...


"sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will land you in a courtroom."
 
2013-12-12 11:21:36 PM
Peki:Guys, quit acting like peer pressure doesn't work on you too.

It works on me; motivation to eat only a third of a restaurant portion and do sets of push-ups and sits-ups during commercials.

OTOH, I love walking around NYC.  I look at guys my age and feel pretty darn good about myself.

/and no cracks about the onion on my belt.
 
2013-12-12 11:22:04 PM

Peki: dr_blasto: sendtodave: Peki: theMightyRegeya: And honestly, when I see a horde of people complaining about people bragging about physical fitness, the horde never shames men, it's always women!

Funny. Everyone missed that my original problem was with my fiance wanting to dl it as a porn pic. It was his reaction to the picture that set me off.

I just thought it was weird that you provide him with fap material.

And that's not even of a naked woman. This is that "I'm a fit mom with my kids" pic right? WTF

In his defense, he didn't notice that there were kids in the pic at first. I had to point them out.


Iiiiiim not sure that's entirely the issue here.
 
2013-12-12 11:22:10 PM

Peki: My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it


Nope, you are NOT a feminist. From one feminist since the 1960s to a wannabe, read a book. Should I post a reading list?  :-/ Seriously, I shouldn't have to. But that's what feminism has become in the 21st century. You can say it, but it ain't true, girl-fren.

And I can't wait for the unwashed masses to say I'm a guy living in his parents' basement. I'm a woman of a "certain age" who has reaped all the benefits of what we struggled for in the 1960s and who worked her ass off for what you have now.  I had high hopes for us, until the Disco age turned us right back into "pretty girls who can shake their booties." Really.

You don't get to say you're a "feminist" until you have made a magnificent life for yourself without a man to prop you up and pay your freight. You don't get to call yourself a "feminist" until you have a 50-50 relationship with a partner. Sitting on your ass, overweight, and making your partner miserable has nothing to do with feminism. That's what we used to call "leeching." And I see so much of this with you younger people, I despair of what we tried to do so long ago.

It's not about being overweight. It's not about getting up in the middle of the night with an infant. It's not about anything but having a true partnership with a man or woman with whom you feel complete.

It's not about having a BrideZilla wedding. It's not about your family. It's not about who is going to take the dog out at 3 a.m. It's not about anything more than respecting your partner and understanding that you have to take care of yourself FOR yourself. Why would you ask your partner to overlook the obvious? That's what feminism is...was... all about.

Why would you think any differently if you claim to be a feminist? Seriously? Is everything we worked for just a catch-all phrase for you to be lazy and relying on a partner for your day-to-day existence?

That's not what I spent my life working for. You should be ashamed. Wake up! Geez Louise!  :-(
 
2013-12-12 11:22:20 PM

voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?


They have bad genes, and aspergers, and adhd, and dyslexia, and somatic symptom disorder.


I don't care if you're fat and out of shape. Don't make up excuses about your genes and your thyroid. Just admit that you like to eat and are lazy like most of us.
 
2013-12-12 11:24:13 PM
DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.
 
2013-12-12 11:25:27 PM
Fwiw I respect them for their accomplishments.

But while being fit is a huge priority for me - one I am teaching my daughters,must be part of an overall lifestyle- investing the time and effort to be AS FIT AS HER is NOT my overarching priority.

I don't expect HER to invest all her time to publish several peer reviewed papers every year. I don't expect HER to get a patent or do 5 patient care volunteer visits to hospice patients per week.

I guess we all have some priorities qnd achievements,she never will so we should plaster ourselves and tag her on social media asking what her excuse is for not achieving enough. It would be motivational, right?
 
2013-12-12 11:26:26 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Fathym: Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.

And maybe a little intelligence?

How little? I might qualify.


DubtodaIll: sendtodave: TastyEloi: sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.

So, intelligent people shouldn't be proud of their intelligence, ambitious people shouldn't be proud of their ambition, friendly people shouldn't be proud of their ability to make friends....

Unless they worked real hard?

We should only be proud of our dump stats?

I think what he's saying is that the only pride that everyone respects is hard work. You can be proud of your talents but no one gives a shiat unless you produce something exceptional with them.


Actually, no, I don't think you can be proud of your talents, if you were born with them. If a skill or talent has been developed, then sure, be proud of it. But things like looks, intelligence, race, gender, are pretty much handed out by nature. I really don't see a whole lot of value in the notion of "pride"; it seems to cause more problems than it helps.
 
2013-12-12 11:26:46 PM

serial_crusher: Nobody's fat because they have other priorities competing for time that could be spent exercising.


Well, there are also those who think exercise to the extent of having rock hard abs 4 days after having a kid or whatever is a waste of time that could be spent on more intellectual pursuits.

And by no means are all of those people fat.

Peki: My fiance and I had a small row over this. Normally, I'm good about clicking pics from Fark or other places for him to *ahem* peruse later. This one I said to no to. He got biatchy about it, until I said this:

"Is that the sort of message you'd want your daughter to get? That the only thing a woman is good for is sex, so who cares that you dropped a 7 pound weight out of your cooch, get back on the treadmill so you can get those abs and look desirable?"

/yes, I'm a feminist. Yes the picture pissed me off. Not because of what it is, but because of the cultural context that surrounds it


Indeed.

DebinCO: And if you exercise moderately (or even lightly), you'll go back to your pre-pregnancy weight within a year IF you breast feed.


A few months to a year, yeah, that's more normal.

Meanwhile "pregorexia" is a problem.  There are people who are so paranoid about gaining weight while pregnant that they don't eat enough.  There's the "I don't want the baby to be too big" crowd, and the "Oh noez, I won't look sexxay right after having the kid" crowd, neither is really a good thing. You're supposed to gain weight (and then lose it, but not overnight) when preggers.
 
2013-12-12 11:26:50 PM

Peki: DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.


Interesting.

An actual foot soldier in the feminist movement, versus a modern, academic feminist.
 
2013-12-12 11:27:19 PM

DrewCurtisJr: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

They have bad genes, and aspergers, and adhd, and dyslexia, and somatic symptom disorder.


I don't care if you're fat and out of shape. Don't make up excuses about your genes and your thyroid. Just admit that you like to eat and are lazy like most of us.


There are phds with bad genes, aspergers (academia is full of them), adhd, dyslexia.

All excuses.
 
2013-12-12 11:29:20 PM

sendtodave: Peki: DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.

Interesting.

An actual foot soldier in the feminist movement, versus a modern, academic feminist.


Not really a versus. We should have the same goals. I just don't see this as empowering women, I see it as perpetuating the same old structures.

/reading up on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd wave feminism would help here
 
2013-12-12 11:30:04 PM
Doesn't anyone else see a huge difference between being fit and healthy, and being as extremely fit as these women BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JOB?
 
2013-12-12 11:31:03 PM

Peki: DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.


Bwahahaha!!!

Wait....
Were you trolling or serious?
Cue the "not sure if serious" joker gif.
 
2013-12-12 11:32:02 PM

voristrupp: Doesn't anyone else see a huge difference between being fit and healthy, and being as extremely fit as these women BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JOB?

Brought up earlier, but did not fit the narrative.

 
2013-12-12 11:34:27 PM

Peki: DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.


Hah! Women's Studies? Are you serious???? Must've gone to a state school. :-)

Gosh, I wish I'd had you in my 20th Century American Women Writers' class in 1972...I would have failed you for hubris. But that's just me. Sorry about your chip...it's a big one. You must be so proud. So, what do you actually DO with that degree? Seriously. I'm curious!
 
2013-12-12 11:34:31 PM

Laobaojun: Were you trolling or serious?


Sort of. It was my minor. My major was English. Lots of cross over though, so I probably could have double-majored if I'd wanted to. *shrug*

And yeah. Lots of reading. Lots and lots of reading.

/Butler, Wittig, Feinstein, Iriguary, Kessler, and classics like Steinem, MacKinnon and Daly
 
2013-12-12 11:34:43 PM

voristrupp: Doesn't anyone else see a huge difference between being fit and healthy, and being as extremely fit as these women BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JOB?


Yes, absolutely.
 
2013-12-12 11:35:09 PM
How about shutting the fark up and dealing with the situation.

If you want washboard abs work for it, if you are happy with your life as it is then you don't need to have a dialog about not having a perfect body.

Last time I checked most men don't have to have an article about self-acceptance that they are not wealthy and powerful.  But [some women] need to have self-affirmations that they are ok without the perfect body.

If you want it work for it, if you don't deal with life as it is.
 
2013-12-12 11:35:45 PM

Peki: sendtodave: Peki: DebinCO:

I don't need a reading list. I've got my degree in Women's Studies.

The rest of your post is not worth responding to.

Interesting.

An actual foot soldier in the feminist movement, versus a modern, academic feminist.

Not really a versus. We should have the same goals. I just don't see this as empowering women, I see it as perpetuating the same old structures.

/reading up on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd wave feminism would help here


K. why not.

"Proponents of third-wave feminism claim that it allows women to define feminism for themselves by incorporating their own identities into the belief system of what feminism is and what it can become through one's own perspective. In the introduction to the idea of third-wave feminism in Manifesta, authors Jennifer Baumgardner and Amy Richards suggest that feminism can change with every generation and individual"

What the farking fark?

"Some third-wave feminists prefer not to call themselves feminists, as the word feminist can be misinterpreted as insensitive to the fluid notion of gender and the potential oppressions inherent in all gender roles, or perhaps misconstrued as exclusive or elitist by critics.[citation needed] Others have kept and redefined the term to include these ideas.[citation needed] Third-wave feminism seeks to challenge any universal definition of femininity."

Oh, you've got to be kidding me.

From what I know of 60 feminism, they fought for real change, equality.

This new stuff seems like feel-good, all inclusive pablum.
 
2013-12-12 11:35:47 PM

voristrupp: There are phds with bad genes, aspergers (academia is full of them), adhd, dyslexia.

All excuses.


What!? How dare you degree shame me!
 
2013-12-12 11:36:15 PM

DebinCO: Hah! Women's Studies? Are you serious???? Must've gone to a state school. :-)


Provincial, actually. University of Alberta. No subsidies for me!

DebinCO: So, what do you actually DO with that degree? Seriously. I'm curious!


Social justice work. I'm currently working on putting on a three-part "Transgender 101" series in Los Angeles.
 
2013-12-12 11:37:13 PM

TastyEloi: Danger Avoid Death: Fathym: Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.

And maybe a little intelligence?

How little? I might qualify.

DubtodaIll: sendtodave: TastyEloi: sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.

So, intelligent people shouldn't be proud of their intelligence, ambitious people shouldn't be proud of their ambition, friendly people shouldn't be proud of their ability to make friends....

Unless they worked real hard?

We should only be proud of our dump stats?

I think what he's saying is that the only pride that everyone respects is hard work. You can be proud of your talents but no one gives a shiat unless you produce something exceptional with them.

Actually, no, I don't think you can be proud of your talents, if you were born with them. If a skill or talent has been developed, then sure, be proud of it. But things like looks, intelligence, race, gender, are pretty much handed out by nature. I really don't see a whole lot of value in the notion of "pride"; it seems to cause more problems than it helps.


Conceptualize however you wish but nothing makes a more natural leader than someone who is good looking smart and ethical.
 
2013-12-12 11:38:00 PM

Peki: DebinCO: Hah! Women's Studies? Are you serious???? Must've gone to a state school. :-)

Provincial, actually. University of Alberta. No subsidies for me!

DebinCO: So, what do you actually DO with that degree? Seriously. I'm curious!

Social justice work. I'm currently working on putting on a three-part "Transgender 101" series in Los Angeles.


Does it focus primarily on hurt feelings?
 
2013-12-12 11:38:17 PM
www.capitalbay.comWelp, guess I'll start.

Formatting's farked, I know. Know what else I know? Drunk and don't care.

i.perezhilton.com

/I don't even care if that woman in the second image had crotchfruit
//Going with GIS
 
2013-12-12 11:39:42 PM

DubtodaIll: TastyEloi: Danger Avoid Death: Fathym: Gergesa: sendtodave: voristrupp: I am fit and what's more *I* have a phd and they don't. I think all women should have PhDs or MDs. What's THEIR excuse?

Oh, you mean everybody doesn't share MY priorities in life?

But you would say that, with hard work and determination, anyone could get a phd, right?

You will probably need money or a scholarship also.

And maybe a little intelligence?

How little? I might qualify.

DubtodaIll: sendtodave: TastyEloi: sendtodave:
Was that a no? People really shouldn't be proud of looking sexy?

You can only really legitimately be proud of something that you've achieved by virtue of your own effort. So if you have a good-looking face, you really can't be proud of that--you simply won the genetic lottery. But a fit, sexy body may be the result of a lot of hard work. The problem with this is even the result you get from exercise has a certain genetic component to it, so some people may never be able develop their bodies in certain ways, no matter how much or hard they exercise.

So, intelligent people shouldn't be proud of their intelligence, ambitious people shouldn't be proud of their ambition, friendly people shouldn't be proud of their ability to make friends....

Unless they worked real hard?

We should only be proud of our dump stats?

I think what he's saying is that the only pride that everyone respects is hard work. You can be proud of your talents but no one gives a shiat unless you produce something exceptional with them.

Actually, no, I don't think you can be proud of your talents, if you were born with them. If a skill or talent has been developed, then sure, be proud of it. But things like looks, intelligence, race, gender, are pretty much handed out by nature. I really don't see a whole lot of value in the notion of "pride"; it seems to cause more problems than it helps.

Conceptualize however you wish but nothing makes a more natural leader than someone who is good looking smart and ethical.


Hell, we usually make do with good looking and smart. Or just smart.

...

Often none of those things, actually.

Wealthy works.
 
2013-12-12 11:40:06 PM

sendtodave: Does it focus primarily on hurt feelings?


Nope. The whole thing is about perspective: how to look at everyday situations with a transgendered person's eyes.
 
2013-12-12 11:44:04 PM

Warlordtrooper: Being fat often goes hand in hand with depression.  Insulting somebody who is depressed and/or fat is not a good way to motivate someone,  In fact it will often make the situation worse.


I'm not trying to motivate him, I don't particularly care what he does or doesn't do. He's like 70 years old, and most likely mature enough to know about the baseless name calling in an internet forum. My guess is he dismissed my snark towards him as drivel, and moved on with his life like any sane mature adult would.

/he could be the coolest guy I've never met, doesn't matter, he still gets the snark
//fact: people (including myself) take cheap shots over the internet for a quick laugh
 
2013-12-12 11:44:11 PM
sendtodave
K. why not.
"Proponents of third-wave feminism claim that it allows women to define feminism for themselves by incorporating their own identities into the belief system of what feminism is and what it can become through one's own perspective. In the introduction to the idea of third-wave feminism in Manifesta, authors Jennifer Baumgardner and Amy Richards suggest that feminism can change with every generation and individual"
What the farking fark?
"Some third-wave feminists prefer not to call themselves feminists, as the word feminist can be misinterpreted as insensitive to the fluid notion of gender and the potential oppressions inherent in all gender roles, or perhaps misconstrued as exclusive or elitist by critics.[citation needed] Others have kept and redefined the term to include these ideas.[citation needed] Third-wave feminism seeks to challenge any universal definition of femininity."
Oh, you've got to be kidding me.
From what I know of 60 feminism, they fought for real change, equality.
This new stuff seems like feel-good, all inclusive pablum.


I think it is that many of the goals of second wave feminism [in western culture] have or will be reached within a this or the next generation and the only way to find things to be angry about to is complain about 20 year old games from a Japanese company.

So instead of going for gender equality and give of some of the good things that went with some of the bad things, find something to be angry about.
 
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