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(Network World)   Old and busted: cell phones give you brain cancer. New hotness: wi-fi routers rot your DNA   (networkworld.com) divider line 48
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2013-12-12 08:24:33 PM  
FTFA: "It turns out no research has been done into the effects of WiFi on humans"

WTF?
 
2013-12-12 08:28:06 PM  
FTFA: " in other words, correlating WiFi with the observed effect on cress doesn't mean that WiFi caused the effect, at least not without a whole heap of serious research."......... And new physics.

/E=hv
//discussion over
 
2013-12-12 09:08:17 PM  

b2theory: FTFA: "It turns out no research has been done into the effects of WiFi on humans"

WTF?


Wifi just uses the same technology we've know to be safe for a long time. What about wifi would make it magically not safe?
 
2013-12-12 09:18:44 PM  
Love this one. We know wi-fi is bad for you because putting seeds by a cellphone made it not grow.
 
2013-12-12 09:27:57 PM  
static.fjcdn.com
 
2013-12-12 10:02:45 PM  
They isolated one set of seeds in a room without radiation? They happen to live in an abandoned nuclear silo or a tempest facility?

Also, I'm pretty sure that a lot of plants don't like it if you sandwich them between two routers, those things get hot. The difference between room temperature and body temperature is enough to kill certain kinds of bacteria.
 
2013-12-12 10:51:41 PM  
Sorry subby, your story is also old and busted.
 
2013-12-12 10:55:18 PM  
No, it does nothing of the sort.
 
2013-12-12 11:01:58 PM  
I put my heirloom tomato seeds in the microwave and they blew up!  Proof microwaves make people explode.
 
2013-12-12 11:02:50 PM  
countrystore.blogspot.com

Not what I was looking for, but okeydokeythen
 
2013-12-12 11:22:47 PM  
did they microwave the water?
 
2013-12-12 11:23:35 PM  

StopLurkListen: [countrystore.blogspot.com image 325x285]

Not what I was looking for, but okeydokeythen


also i think its supposed to be "subversion" in lieu of "perversion."
 
2013-12-12 11:32:54 PM  
Will this turn me into some kind of Super Villain?

Gee, I hope so. They get to have all the fun, the best secret lairs, and the best toys. And if the hero tries to kill them by destroying about $200 billion worth of toys and lairs, they're back in business faster than the spend-thrifts in Congress or Parliament.

I WANNA BE A SUPER VILLAIN.

1) Indestructibiliy
2) Super powers
3) Super wealth
4) Lots of fun

Who doesn't want a piece of that?

And did I mention the armies of skimpily dressed sex pots (or sex bots if you prefer machines to real people)?
 
2013-12-12 11:36:04 PM  
FTA: But now, thanks to a group of Danish ninth grade students, we have some interesting evidence that garden cress seems to have a big problem with WiFi.

Well if it's good enough for a ninth grade science class, it's good enough for a serious publication like Network World.
 
2013-12-12 11:47:17 PM  
 
2013-12-12 11:51:55 PM  
Not a lot of paid stooges for the wireless industry here on Fark.
 
2013-12-12 11:58:24 PM  
As I sit here, my body is being bombarded with radio waves from a dozen wi-fi signals, 50+ radio stations, a half-dozen TV stations, wireless phone signals, bluetooth transmissions and untold how many cell phone signals. That can't be good for me, right?
 
2013-12-13 12:07:01 AM  
I remember that full body scan being associated with cancer in the attendants, but it seems to have been swept away with the machines. Now, my family is well invested in L3, but I still want to know what the hell happened. I know my inheritance is properly multi- vested, so I don't mind if my mom's company get's ravaged. Well, two years from now, after she's retired.
 
2013-12-13 12:09:49 AM  
I guess I shouldn't use my wifi router as a pillow anymore.
 
2013-12-13 12:11:32 AM  

b2theory: FTFA: " in other words, correlating WiFi with the observed effect on cress doesn't mean that WiFi caused the effect, at least not without a whole heap of serious research."......... And new physics.

/E=hv
//discussion over


So much this. Except now it makes me wonder how strong a wifi would have to be to cause damage, or even just a noticeable amount of warming.
 
2013-12-13 12:17:48 AM  
who can I sue so I can get a shiatload of money?!
 
2013-12-13 01:12:57 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Not a lot of paid stooges for the wireless industry here on Fark.


Someone at Linksys please pay me.
 
2013-12-13 01:34:16 AM  
Ah well, I got nothing to thank my genes for anyways. Suck it, DNA. You're no good to me.
 
2013-12-13 05:01:42 AM  
i90.photobucket.com

Liked to expose himself to wireless.

Hertz a lot.

Some would argue that he was not right in the head in the end.
 
2013-12-13 05:49:49 AM  
Young teenagers have trouble concentrating so they assume it's because of sleeping next to their phones.

Wow.

Put things in room with electronics emitting heat...seeds dry.

No heat, seeds don't dry in the same time frame.

OMG - WIFI Kills!
 
2013-12-13 06:53:41 AM  
It's not good for you.
I know, you want to keep your idiotic phones, and your pathetic routers.  Find, go ahead.
But don't deny reality for it.  It just makes you look even dumber than you naturally do.
 
2013-12-13 07:25:17 AM  
BTW, ham Farkers, I'm on 7.077 MHz, JT65 mode.  Send a CQ [callsign] FARK and I'll see it.
 
2013-12-13 08:53:10 AM  

ds615: It's not good for you.
I know, you want to keep your idiotic phones, and your pathetic routers.  Find, go ahead.
But don't deny reality for it.  It just makes you look even dumber than you naturally do.


On the other hand they are 9th graders and their "study" hasn't exactly been peer reviewed.
 
2013-12-13 10:40:12 AM  

ds615: It's not good for you.
I know, you want to keep your idiotic phones, and your pathetic routers.  Find, go ahead.
But don't deny reality for it.  It just makes you look even dumber than you naturally do.


Don't deny well established physics, you will just look dumb.
 
2013-12-13 10:59:47 AM  
Six trays of [cress] seeds were placed in a room with no radiation

Bullshiat, unless the room was completely shielded and had NO wiring or electricity or electrical devices AT ALL, this is complete bullshiat. Everything that uses electricity emite "radiation", the problem is that this is NOT THE SAME RADIATION AS URANIUM, or similar radioactive isotopes. This is ELECTROMAGNETIC radiation, which is entirely different, AND everywhere in your house, even if you don't have WiFI or a cellphone. Or a "Smart Meter", for that matter.
 
2013-12-13 11:01:50 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Sorry subby, your story is also old and busted.


No, I have been repeatedly told by Mythbusters fans that there is no such thing as "bad science" as long as some kids get interested in science...
 
2013-12-13 11:08:34 AM  

dittybopper: BTW, ham Farkers, I'm on 7.077 MHz, JT65 mode.  Send a CQ [callsign] FARK and I'll see it.


OK, the farker who was talking to me on 40 in JT65, then PSK31, then Olivia 8/500, please raise your hand now.
 
2013-12-13 11:18:53 AM  

dittybopper: BTW, ham Farkers, I'm on 7.077 MHz, JT65 mode.  Send a CQ [callsign] FARK and I'll see it.


No wonder you didn't hear me, I was calling on 7075.  Didn't want to get mistaken for a special event station...
 
2013-12-13 11:19:19 AM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: BTW, ham Farkers, I'm on 7.077 MHz, JT65 mode.  Send a CQ [callsign] FARK and I'll see it.

OK, the farker who was talking to me on 40 in JT65, then PSK31, then Olivia 8/500, please raise your hand now.


That means you, Smokey Dragon Dish.
 
2013-12-13 11:19:59 AM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: BTW, ham Farkers, I'm on 7.077 MHz, JT65 mode.  Send a CQ [callsign] FARK and I'll see it.

OK, the farker who was talking to me on 40 in JT65, then PSK31, then Olivia 8/500, please raise your hand now.


If it isn't obvious based on my name, it's me.
 
2013-12-13 11:20:24 AM  
Seeds cannot grow in a room that contains no electromagnetic radiation. The room would have to be totally dark.
 
2013-12-13 11:21:58 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: dittybopper: BTW, ham Farkers, I'm on 7.077 MHz, JT65 mode.  Send a CQ [callsign] FARK and I'll see it.

No wonder you didn't hear me, I was calling on 7075.  Didn't want to get mistaken for a special event station...


Actually, I had to step out for a while.  I did see you when I got back in.  XYL needed me to pick up some furniture she bought.

Ten Meters wouldn't work for us unless there was some anomalous propagation going on, and I can't run gobs of power on 10 because it farks up my DSL modem and WiFi router.

You should put up a simple, low antenna for 80 and 40 meter "regional" communications.  Comes in handy at times.
 
2013-12-13 11:24:14 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: dittybopper: dittybopper: BTW, ham Farkers, I'm on 7.077 MHz, JT65 mode.  Send a CQ [callsign] FARK and I'll see it.

OK, the farker who was talking to me on 40 in JT65, then PSK31, then Olivia 8/500, please raise your hand now.

If it isn't obvious based on my name, it's me.


I looked back at the old thread and figured it out.  BTW, Fark threads close automagically after 2 days now, it's not like someone was being bad.
 
2013-12-13 11:26:52 AM  

dittybopper: Smoky Dragon Dish: dittybopper: BTW, ham Farkers, I'm on 7.077 MHz, JT65 mode.  Send a CQ [callsign] FARK and I'll see it.

No wonder you didn't hear me, I was calling on 7075.  Didn't want to get mistaken for a special event station...

Actually, I had to step out for a while.  I did see you when I got back in.  XYL needed me to pick up some furniture she bought.

Ten Meters wouldn't work for us unless there was some anomalous propagation going on, and I can't run gobs of power on 10 because it farks up my DSL modem and WiFi router.

You should put up a simple, low antenna for 80 and 40 meter "regional" communications.  Comes in handy at times.


I understand.  My second harmonic has his shots at 1200, so I have to run out too.

I had an 80m antenna in a tree, but I had to take part of the tree down, so down came the antenna.

I was looking at pskreporter.info, saw that several stations in your area could hear stations on my area.  Only reason why I suggested it.

Any reason you don't use LOTW or EQSL?  I do all three, but I like the cards the best myself.
 
2013-12-13 11:31:18 AM  

dittybopper: Smoky Dragon Dish: dittybopper: dittybopper: BTW, ham Farkers, I'm on 7.077 MHz, JT65 mode.  Send a CQ [callsign] FARK and I'll see it.

OK, the farker who was talking to me on 40 in JT65, then PSK31, then Olivia 8/500, please raise your hand now.

If it isn't obvious based on my name, it's me.

I looked back at the old thread and figured it out.  BTW, Fark threads close automagically after 2 days now, it's not like someone was being bad.


Maybe it's based on level of activity, since threads earlier than that one were still open.

Besides the noise I get on 40, I have to put the choke back on the antenna.  I get RF into my computer and it kills the connection b/n my TS-590s.  I have a plan for a homebrew 40/80 antenna, but my XYL isn't going to like it.

Anyway, good to know your secret identity.  I may need a buddy to help with learning CW.
 
2013-12-13 12:04:17 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: I was looking at pskreporter.info, saw that several stations in your area could hear stations on my area.  Only reason why I suggested it.


Was it on PSK31?  Don't forget there is a 10 meter contest, so some "big guns" are going to be out.  I was in my car and heard F5IN in France on 10M CW.  He was using 800 watts to a long boom yagi.  You do something like that and you can make the trip between NNY and NNJ.

Any reason you don't use LOTW or EQSL?  I do all three, but I like the cards the best myself.

I like paper.  I keep a paper log, and I do paper QSLs.  That's because electronic data is so ephemeral.  When my grandkids are going through my effects after I've died, I want them to be able to see what I did.  Since I don't "chase paper" (ie., go for WAS/DXCC/etc.) or do contests usually, the speed and convenience of LOTW and eQSL, and using a computerized logging program, is lost on me.  Especially since my favorite mode is hand-keyed Morse.

Besides the noise I get on 40, I have to put the choke back on the antenna.  I get RF into my computer and it kills the connection b/n my TS-590s.  I have a plan for a homebrew 40/80 antenna, but my XYL isn't going to like it.

Make a low one so you can take advantage of Near Vertical Incidence Skywave communications.   That gives you nearly 100% regional (ie., out to 300 miles radius or so) communications around the clock.   DX is great, but if you need to use the radio for emergency communications, you're better off being able to talk to people 100 miles away instead of 1,000 miles away.

Anyway, good to know your secret identity.  I may need a buddy to help with learning CW.

Just let me know.  Always happy to help people with learning Morse.
 
2013-12-13 12:14:43 PM  
images116.fotki.com
 
2013-12-13 03:54:18 PM  
New hotness: wi-fi routers rot your DNA


Wrong answer.  that is why i run Tomato Linux firmware on my Linksys router.  this firmware has a huge number of options and i can decrease my rf xmit power output to 5 watts since i don't need full power that is the default.


nice try, but you lose.  another example of the power of Linux.


oh, did i mention its faster than the default firmware that came with the router??
 
2013-12-13 03:55:23 PM  

Linux_Yes: New hotness: wi-fi routers rot your DNA


Wrong answer.  that is why i run Tomato Linux firmware on my Linksys router.  this firmware has a huge number of options and i can decrease my rf xmit power output to 5 watts since i don't need full power that is the default.


nice try, but you lose.  another example of the power of Linux.


oh, did i mention its faster than the default firmware that came with the router??



correction: 5mw not 5 watts.   the default power that comes with it out of the box is around 50mw.
 
2013-12-13 04:00:06 PM  

ChrisDe: As I sit here, my body is being bombarded with radio waves from a dozen wi-fi signals, 50+ radio stations, a half-dozen TV stations, wireless phone signals, bluetooth transmissions and untold how many cell phone signals. That can't be good for me, right?



depends on how much energy from these radio waves your body is absorbing.  the closer you are to the xmit antenna, the more energy.  also, the higher the xmit power from the antenna, the more energy you'll absorb.

low levels, i'm sure, are safe.  the question is how high do the levels have to be to become a problem??  and the cell makers arent' interested in the truth of that answer.  they just want to sell phones.

i personally, do not feel comfortable holding a cell phone near my head or ear.   with such close proximity, rf power could definitely be a problem over time.

use an earpiece and have the phone at least a few inches from your person.
 
2013-12-13 04:03:50 PM  

Linux_Yes: ChrisDe: As I sit here, my body is being bombarded with radio waves from a dozen wi-fi signals, 50+ radio stations, a half-dozen TV stations, wireless phone signals, bluetooth transmissions and untold how many cell phone signals. That can't be good for me, right?


depends on how much energy from these radio waves your body is absorbing.  the closer you are to the xmit antenna, the more energy.  also, the higher the xmit power from the antenna, the more energy you'll absorb.

low levels, i'm sure, are safe.  the question is how high do the levels have to be to become a problem??  and the cell makers arent' interested in the truth of that answer.  they just want to sell phones.

i personally, do not feel comfortable holding a cell phone near my head or ear.   with such close proximity, rf power could definitely be a problem over time.

use an earpiece and have the phone at least a few inches from your person.


my boss at Compaq (when i worked there) use to live on his phone and always had it next to his ear.  the dude got a brain tumor right next to his ear where he holds the phone.

killed his ass.  sad.  you can't convince me that there is not a connection to his cell use.  he was only in his late 30's.  scared the poop out of me.

course, you'll never hear anything from phone makers or AT&T types. their ONLY interest is selling phones/ talk plans and making a dollar and a cent in that market.

they look at it like 'ain't my problem'

typical americans.
 
2013-12-13 07:18:54 PM  

Linux_Yes: Linux_Yes: New hotness: wi-fi routers rot your DNA


Wrong answer.  that is why i run Tomato Linux firmware on my Linksys router.  this firmware has a huge number of options and i can decrease my rf xmit power output to 5 watts since i don't need full power that is the default.


nice try, but you lose.  another example of the power of Linux.


oh, did i mention its faster than the default firmware that came with the router??


correction: 5mw not 5 watts.   the default power that comes with it out of the box is around 50mw.


Get your ham radio license, and you can run it at 50 watts, or up to 1,500 watts for that matter.

And yes, hams do that sort of thing.
 
2013-12-14 12:05:16 AM  

ChrisDe: As I sit here, my body is being bombarded with radio waves from a dozen wi-fi signals, 50+ radio stations, a half-dozen TV stations, wireless phone signals, bluetooth transmissions and untold how many cell phone signals. That can't be good for me, right?


Oh, I'm convinced of it. For the last 15 years I've spent 100% of my life with a phone sending wifi and/or cell signals less than a foot from my body.  Except when I'm in the shower, so I guess you can lop off 15 minutes a day.

Add to that the router 3ft away whenever I'm at my desk, and all the other wireless signals bouncing around in the modern world, and I'm completely prepared that something bad may be happening to humanity before we realize it, especially to the more computer-savvy of us.

/ doesn't matter
// have internet
 
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