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(Talking Points Memo)   Conservatives are upset that Obama "snubbed" the death of Margaret Thatcher, whose 27-year imprisonment and dauntless fight for the downtrodden led to the freedom of an entire people   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 58
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2013-12-12 02:58:07 PM  
7 votes:
Thatcher's funeral/Memorial service was 17 April 2013.

On 15 April 2013, 2 terrorists set off Bombs at the finish line of the Boston Marathon.

The president's schedule reflects some of this throughout the week, meetings with national security advisers and public activists for
for the injured.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2013-W16

fark these pantywaists. If he'd left during a terrorism crisis they'd have jumped his bones for that.
2013-12-12 12:17:14 PM  
6 votes:

sigdiamond2000: I see we're back to caring what Europe thinks of us this week.


Only conservative Brits. I think that many Europeans would join me in saying, "Fark Margaret Thatcher"
2013-12-12 01:37:12 PM  
4 votes:
If Obama would have gone, then Republicans would have approved of Obama doing that.

Just kidding! They would have come up with some new stupid thing to be butthurt about.
2013-12-12 12:05:35 PM  
4 votes:
I like Obama, but if he doesn't start a national "Please Don't Tie Plastic Bags Over Your Heads" campaign and kill off thousands of contrarian dickhead Republicans, and start it soon, I'm going to consider this a failed presidency.
2013-12-12 04:48:04 PM  
3 votes:
Other former UK Prime Ministers who've died:

James Callaghan
Harold Wilson
Edward Heath
Alec Douglas-Home
etc.

Total number of farks given by U.S. Conservatives over attendance at their state funerals: Zeee-ro.

Biggest difference between Thatcher and all of the above, to the U.S. Conservatives' minds: Thatcher's the only one they've decided to hero-worship.

Look, conservatives, who you choose to revere and admire is entirely up to you. You have every right to your choices, just like anyone does. Go knock yourselves out. But remember that it's nothing more than your own personal choice. Y'all aren't special or holy because of who you choose to admire, and within reason it's never going to be an outrage whenever somebody chooses different heroes than you did.

Does that make any sense? Thanks.
2013-12-12 03:38:18 PM  
3 votes:
If it's any consolation, she wouldn't have wanted him there.
2013-12-12 02:02:04 PM  
3 votes:

James!: Margaret Thatcher was a bag of smashed assholes.


The Conservative narrative is that she rescued the British economy.  However, if you look at the stats, UK had just as much economic growth as the rest of the industrialized world.
2013-12-12 07:49:30 PM  
2 votes:

rnld: Gyrfalcon: All four living past presidents attended (Carter, Bush Sr. and Jr., and Clinton)

I don't believe they did.


You can disbelieve it all you want, but that's what the official British report said. At least, they were invited.

Waldo Pepper: Gyrfalcon: rnld: Did Thatcher have a State Funeral?

She did. And it was quite well attended, mostly by heads of state who had been in power when the Iron Lady was in power. All four living past presidents attended (Carter, Bush Sr. and Jr., and Clinton) and a representative of the Reagan family; and an official delegation sent by Barack Obama consisting of George Schultz and James Baker, who were Secretaries of State during Thatcher's time in office. Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger also went, although not as official representatives (per the Daily Mirror).

It seems that Obama did what many people might have done and sent representatives who actually KNEW Lady Thatcher and worked with her personally; since she had been out of office for many decades, and out of public view for quite some time. It wasn't like she had been in office and dropped dead the same week.

hey thanks for giving us the official white house spin excuse.  

but a previous farker nailed it right on the head. it was of no political benefit for Obama to go and Obama comes first and foremost in everything he does, Country be damned


I didn't take that from the white house. I took it from the Daily Mirror. Those were the people who went. If it seems odd to you that it might be more fitting for people who knew an old woman who had been out of politics for 20 years to go to her funeral which was not a state funeral and which wasn't an international photo op, and which in fact had no political benefit but was instead a show of national support--then I guess the idea of such support seems odd to you in many ways.

Most nations did not in fact send heads of state to Thatcher's memorial service, unless they were personal friends/enemies or acquaintances; Angela Merkel did not go, but sent a rep who had known her. Sometimes it ISN'T about making Amurika look good--it's about doing something nice that makes America look better.
2013-12-12 06:29:37 PM  
2 votes:

rnld: Did Thatcher have a State Funeral?


She did. And it was quite well attended, mostly by heads of state who had been in power when the Iron Lady was in power. All four living past presidents attended (Carter, Bush Sr. and Jr., and Clinton) and a representative of the Reagan family; and an official delegation sent by Barack Obama consisting of George Schultz and James Baker, who were Secretaries of State during Thatcher's time in office. Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger also went, although not as official representatives (per the Daily Mirror).

It seems that Obama did what many people might have done and sent representatives who actually KNEW Lady Thatcher and worked with her personally; since she had been out of office for many decades, and out of public view for quite some time. It wasn't like she had been in office and dropped dead the same week.
2013-12-12 03:55:28 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: X-boxershorts: Thatcher's funeral/Memorial service was 17 April 2013.

On 15 April 2013, 2 terrorists set off Bombs at the finish line of the Boston Marathon.

The president's schedule reflects some of this throughout the week, meetings with national security advisers and public activists for
for the injured.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2013-W16

fark these pantywaists. If he'd left during a terrorism crisis they'd have jumped his bones for that.

I don't particularly care that he didn't go, really, but "terrorism crisis"? I'm going to type all of this anyways.

...

So while I don't really care that he didn't manage to pay his respects to a person he probably would have found to be politically abhorrent anyway (that's what the VP is for!), I'm just not convinced that the Boston Marathon bombings were serious enough that it required the president to stay in the country.


Were you not in the country that week? I happened to be on vacation in Key West when it happened, and I was mostly away from the news but I could still tell people were pretty tensed up by it. Two days later, no official suspects were even identified. The outcry of, "Obama is leaving us when we need a strong leader!" would've been deafening. Also, that's great that your "pure speculation" was pretty accurate, but the feds tend to want pure, unadulterated facts on a case before they close it. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that Obama's best move was to stay local.
2013-12-12 03:08:41 PM  
2 votes:
It's pretty late in the game, but this is HOTY-worthy.

/just throwing that out there
2013-12-12 02:55:52 PM  
2 votes:
They really hate the fact that Thatcher wasn't as beloved as Mandela huh?

Maybe if she didn't have a heart as cold as a block of ice, people would've cared about her death instead of celebrating it.
2013-12-12 02:54:42 PM  
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Thatcher had less to do with the fall of communism than even Reagan did.


The Soviet Union would have self-imploded without the US's arms race in the 80s.
2013-12-12 02:51:28 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: Eddie Adams from Torrance: dittybopper: US still hasn't elected a female president.

While I've been enjoying the racist hatred towards Obama, the inevitable misogynist hatred towards a woman is going to be epic.

Two words:  "Caribou Barbie".


Well, in all fairness to Sarah Palin, most of the hatred towards her is due to the fact that she's dumber than a bag of hammers and more grifter than politician. The mysogny is more of a bonus thing.
2013-12-12 02:46:12 PM  
2 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: I wonder if anyone will point out to them that Thatcher is generally hated in her own country.


If I recall there were several songs about both Mandela and Thatcher. Let's compare two songs by English bands from the era:

Nelson Mandela

Margaret Thatcher
2013-12-12 02:38:09 PM  
2 votes:
I wonder if anyone will point out to them that Thatcher is generally hated in her own country.
2013-12-12 02:25:24 PM  
2 votes:
Wait, she died 8 months ago and they're just now butthurt over it?
2013-12-12 01:53:28 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: US still hasn't elected a female president.


I dont think the British ever did either.
2013-12-12 12:24:01 PM  
2 votes:
Margaret Thatcher was a bag of smashed assholes.
2013-12-12 12:12:09 PM  
2 votes:
I see we're back to caring what Europe thinks of us this week.
2013-12-12 12:02:33 PM  
2 votes:
plus, he eats crackers like he owns the place!
2013-12-13 12:54:54 AM  
1 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: PsiChick: As I remember, we were all protesting his policies very pointedly. Admittedly, with intelligence and dignity, but the guy was farking over the country and we expressed that view.  However, we did not whine like small children and displayed a basic understand of politics

Roflmao. your memory done LIED to you. You so did so whine like small children. Like spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum. There was an awful gnashing of teeth, rending of garments, epic buuthurt and whambulances.

From severe cases of Bush derangement syndrome, to 'chimpy mcflightsuit' to 'selected not elected' to endless terrible, petty, childish sore-looserness, the critics on the left were anything BUT what you describe.

No argument from me that the teabaggets and Obama critics on the right aren't as bad or worse, but your whole " *sniff, sniff'* yes, well we were never THAT bad you see..."

That's just hilarious.


If fixing the Bush legacy, repairing all the damage he did, were Obama's only legacy....

He would still go down in history as one of America's greatest presidents.

That's how bad George W Bush was.

I had a friend at Khobar Towers. He said half the building just fell away...it was eerily similar to Oklahoma City....

The funny thing about GWB's Mission accomplished speech is this:
The day before he landed on that aircraft carrier, we'd reached an agreement to withdraw from Saudi Arabia.

Which, just so happens to coincide with one of Bin Laden's publicly stated goals.

You're freakin hilarious.
2013-12-13 12:25:24 AM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: She, much like Reagan, committed the ultimate crime.

She proved liberals wrong about communism.

Course it was more Reagan than her, but she certainly helped.


Funny, after the CIA released their document dump that was called the "Crown jewels", I thought it became painfully clear that it was
Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Pearl and Cheney that proved the worldview about communism wrong...
2013-12-12 09:55:56 PM  
1 votes:
She was union-busting, trickle-down facist. May she rot hell, or the bottom of a Welsh coalmine, whatever.

/sorry, just doing my part to balance out the Tea-Bircher derp that I saw in response to GOP politicians posting condolences for Mandela.
2013-12-12 08:20:48 PM  
1 votes:
They sent invitations to the leaders of practically every country in the planet, but only two current heads of state, 11 serving prime ministers and 17 foreign ministers attended.
There is nothing notable about Obama not being there.
2013-12-12 07:54:06 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: rnld: Did Thatcher have a State Funeral?

She did. And it was quite well attended, mostly by heads of state who had been in power when the Iron Lady was in power. All four living past presidents attended (Carter, Bush Sr. and Jr., and Clinton) and a representative of the Reagan family; and an official delegation sent by Barack Obama consisting of George Schultz and James Baker, who were Secretaries of State during Thatcher's time in office. Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger also went, although not as official representatives (per the Daily Mirror).


You're wrong about almost everything in this paragraph.  She did not have a state funeral, she had a ceremonial funeral.  It was still a high honor (only the second PM whose funeral the Queen has attended, the only ceremonial funeral accorded to someone not a member of the Royal family since Elizabeth ascended to the throne), but it wasn't the same sort of funeral as Churchill got, it was the same as Diana got.

Also NONE of the ex-presidents attended.  Bush Sr. is too frail to travel far very often these days, the others... I dunno why, probably because none of them were really her contemporaries (she came to power the year before Carter was ousted, and stepped down two years before Clinton took office).

It seems that Obama did what many people might have done and sent representatives who actually KNEW Lady Thatcher and worked with her personally; since she had been out of office for many decades, and out of public view for quite some time. It wasn't like she had been in office and dropped dead the same week.

Yup.  It wasn't a state funeral and she'd been gone for over 20 years, the US sent a reasonable delegation.  I was a little surprised initially that that's all that was sent, but the funeral's non-state status and the Boston bombings that week would both account for it.

Oh, and the Republicans sent their own little delegation of a few house reps - I guess we could ask then why McConnell and Boehner thought they were too important to go themselves, this being America's greatest ally and all.
2013-12-12 04:08:00 PM  
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: sigdiamond2000: I see we're back to caring what Europe thinks of us this week.

Only conservative Brits. I think that many Europeans would join me in saying, "Fark Margaret Thatcher"


This former Brit certainly would.

Fark Margaret Thatcher with a rusty spork patterned after Bra Arthur's dick.
2013-12-12 03:49:39 PM  
1 votes:
As a soccer fan, I have one word to say regarding Thatcher: Hillsborough.

If that's not reason enough to be glad the old coont passed on, I don't know what is.
2013-12-12 03:36:37 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: I wonder if anyone will point out to them that Thatcher is generally hated in her own country.


One english Comedian (can't remember who, could have been Jeremy Hardy) said at the time of her funeral that, for the cost of the funeral (around 8 million pounds), everyone could have been given a shovel and they could have personally delivered her to Satan...
2013-12-12 03:30:21 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: So while I don't really care that he didn't manage to pay his respects to a person he probably would have found to be politically abhorrent anyway (that's what the VP is for!), I'm just not convinced that the Boston Marathon bombings were serious enough that it required the president to stay in the country.


Tell that to the victims of the families.

Seriously.

I'll wait.
2013-12-12 03:19:40 PM  
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: sigdiamond2000: I see we're back to caring what Europe thinks of us this week.

Only conservative Brits. I think that many Europeans would join me in saying, "Fark Margaret Thatcher"


Yup. Fark Maggie.
Every Brit I know hated her with a burning passion.

But much more importantly: Obama also didn't attend the funeral of Hugo Chaves.
What is that guy's problem?
2013-12-12 03:19:06 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: We're still a bit out, but at this point Obama needs to show his support of football, baseball, NASCAR, apple pie, and American made trucks. Just so the Justification Machine can concoct reasons that all of these things destroy the fabric of society and that only a Socialio-Commie-Fascist would ever consider their support.

And then watch the LULZ as Fox News considers dropping their sp


Just get him to endorse Fox News and kill off the mouthpiece forever.
2013-12-12 03:15:22 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: neversubmit: [www.bartcop.com image 500x500]

True but does seem sort of odd that the first black President doesn't attend the 150th anniversary of a the such a important/quoted speech.

It would have been a very good move from a symbolic view.



If he had they would've called it a cheap political stunt, there is no way he can win with conservatives.
2013-12-12 03:11:40 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: Thatcher helped defeat communism.  Of course Obama isn't going to pay his respects.



Excuse me but is this fancy mustard level of outrage or does it warrent going all the way to arugula?
2013-12-12 03:07:38 PM  
1 votes:
It's the usual unimaginative, funhouse-mirror tu quoque attack from the right that you're used to seeing.

Netanyahu was criticized for skipping the Mandela funeral because it was too "expensive", but it was noted that he made sure attended Thatcher's.

Apparently conservatives, after decades of Thatcher/Reagan worship, mistook this to mean Thatcher has a similar historic status to Mandela. She doesn't, and nobody cared when Obama didn't attend her funeral.

But don't let me stand in your way if you want to attack Mandela's legacy, conservatives. Go for it, with gusto.
2013-12-12 03:02:37 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: plus, he eats crackers like he owns the place!


Alternately:
He acts as if the crackers don't own the place.
2013-12-12 03:00:06 PM  
1 votes:

X-boxershorts: fark these pantywaists. If he'd left during a terrorism crisis they'd have jumped his bones for that.


And they'd be right to do so.
2013-12-12 02:56:46 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Mrtraveler01: Thatcher had less to do with the fall of communism than even Reagan did.

The Soviet Union would have self-imploded without the US's arms race in the 80s.


My point exactly.

All Thatcher and Reagan did was sit and watch the whole thing happen from the sidelines.
2013-12-12 02:55:51 PM  
1 votes:
Who else didn't go?

Bush 1

Bush 2

Clinton
2013-12-12 02:52:52 PM  
1 votes:

rnld: Did Thatcher have a State Funeral?


cltampa.com

Having a State Funeral or "being invited" is no excuse.
2013-12-12 02:50:06 PM  
1 votes:
Is this new fauxtrage being put out there to cover up the last fauxtrage that fell flat and that they are now trying to deny was ever a big deal?

I'm really confused. Don't these freaks usually just push harder when it's looking like a fail?
2013-12-12 02:49:34 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: US still hasn't elected a female president.


And England hasn't elected a black Prime Minister, do you have a point?
2013-12-12 02:47:58 PM  
1 votes:
www.bartcop.com
2013-12-12 02:47:22 PM  
1 votes:
Good. She was a terrible old coont.
2013-12-12 02:43:07 PM  
1 votes:
Did Thatcher have a State Funeral?
2013-12-12 02:36:15 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: We're still a bit out, but at this point Obama needs to show his support of football, baseball, NASCAR, apple pie, and American made trucks. Just so the Justification Machine can concoct reasons that all of these things destroy the fabric of society and that only a Socialio-Commie-Fascist would ever consider their support.

And then watch the LULZ as Fox News considers dropping their sp


Actually, I would like to see obama not call and congradulate the winner of the superbowl but still call the winner of the NBA finals. The impotent rage would be legendary.
2013-12-12 02:31:09 PM  
1 votes:
We're still a bit out, but at this point Obama needs to show his support of football, baseball, NASCAR, apple pie, and American made trucks. Just so the Justification Machine can concoct reasons that all of these things destroy the fabric of society and that only a Socialio-Commie-Fascist would ever consider their support.

And then watch the LULZ as Fox News considers dropping their sports coverage...
2013-12-12 02:07:59 PM  
1 votes:
I'm confident that this, the 1,243th Republican fabricated Obama scandal will be the one that sticks to the wall.
2013-12-12 01:49:31 PM  
1 votes:
I read as far as "Over at Breitbart..." And then I stopped.
2013-12-12 01:41:37 PM  
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: dittybopper: US still hasn't elected a female president.

While I've been enjoying the racist hatred towards Obama, the inevitable misogynist hatred towards a woman is going to be epic.


Two words:  "Caribou Barbie".

Honestly, we should just elect a crippled transgendered black lesbian Jew and just get the whole thing over with, so we can go back to arguing about *POLICY* instead of *STATUS*.
2013-12-12 01:32:57 PM  
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: dittybopper: US still hasn't elected a female president.

While I've been enjoying the racist hatred towards Obama, the inevitable misogynist hatred towards a woman is going to be epic.


I predict at least one major news article about it every month if Hillary gets elected.
2013-12-12 01:28:32 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: US still hasn't elected a female president.


While I've been enjoying the racist hatred towards Obama, the inevitable misogynist hatred towards a woman is going to be epic.
2013-12-12 01:20:08 PM  
1 votes:
He's black.  We get it.
2013-12-12 01:10:36 PM  
1 votes:
SNIVELING REPUBLICAN MANFACTURED BUTTHURT FOREVER!
2013-12-12 12:39:07 PM  
1 votes:
Well, at least Thatcher was loved in her home country.

So, a perfect comparison with Mandela.
2013-12-12 12:25:48 PM  
1 votes:
Conservatives are upset that Obama __________________________.

Most boring game of MadLibs ever.
2013-12-12 12:19:44 PM  
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: sigdiamond2000: I see we're back to caring what Europe thinks of us this week.

Only conservative Brits. I think that many Europeans would join me in saying, "Fark Margaret Thatcher"


To prove your point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzk6cxNRRUc">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=Yzk6cxNRRUc
2013-12-12 12:08:27 PM  
1 votes:
Conservatives are upset.

Film at 11.
 
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