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2013-12-12 10:18:50 AM  
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2013-12-12 10:22:56 AM  
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2013-12-12 10:25:17 AM  
God doesn't need to die, but religion does.
 
2013-12-12 10:25:53 AM  

Godscrack: [upload.wikimedia.org image 522x523]


Done in one
 
2013-12-12 10:44:46 AM  
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God:  "I think I'll go for a walk!"
Man: You're not fooling anyone, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
 
2013-12-12 11:05:10 AM  
New Scientist is far better.
fark Scientific American.
 
2013-12-12 11:11:26 AM  
Ever since he woke up as a cockroach he's been stuck in a courtroom for not complying with the rules of the courtroom which include not being a cockroach.
 
2013-12-12 11:11:35 AM  
It's a trick question. Imaginary sky-friends don't die. They just fade away.
 
2013-12-12 11:13:10 AM  
SciAm started going downhill when they abandoned the dowdy sciency look in the early 2000s for a more snazzy Photoshoppy feel. Pretty soon the interior contents began to resemble the superficial nature of the graphic design.

I know it's a magazine for the "educated layman", but that doesn't mean it has to be the National Enquirer of science.
 
2013-12-12 11:13:22 AM  
everyone just needs to look on the bright side of life
 
2013-12-12 11:19:19 AM  
Old and Busted
God is dead - Nietzsche
Nietzsche is dead - God

New Hotness
Is God dying? - Scientific American
Is Scientific American dying? - God
 
2013-12-12 11:19:20 AM  
God needs prayer, badly
 
2013-12-12 11:22:22 AM  

Fano: God needs prayer, badly


All gods are fueled by prayer. Being omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent just isn't enough.
 
2013-12-12 11:22:44 AM  
Dunno, has the spirit-eater visited him in the astral plane yet?
 
2013-12-12 11:22:51 AM  
If you don't believe then tinkerbell will die.
 
2013-12-12 11:23:30 AM  
Which one? The Judeochristolamic god? Or a real one?
 
2013-12-12 11:25:01 AM  
It's nice how they didn't have "room" on the first page for the last paragraph. Fark you, Scientific American.
 
2013-12-12 11:30:29 AM  
Someone call Elton John and tell him to update the song.

He was born a pauper to a pawn on a Christmas day
When SciAm asked is God dying?

Hmmm, doesn't scan as well as I'd like.
 
2013-12-12 11:32:47 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: It's a trick question. Imaginary sky-friends don't die. They just fade away.


Or end up in beds with perfectly ironed and turned-down linen sheets in a rest home in England.
 
2013-12-12 11:33:41 AM  
I'm sure his spaceship is just refueling on Omicron Persei 8 or something.
 
2013-12-12 11:35:21 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: If you don't believe then tinkerbell will die.



That was the premise of this book

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2013-12-12 11:40:31 AM  
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2013-12-12 11:41:34 AM  
With religious participation dying what worries me is what is going to fill in the gap. I'm an atheist, but I know WHY I'm an atheist. When religious people lose interest in religion, for whatever reason, they're going to look for something to fill its place. Maybe not anytime soon but something is going to fill the gaps of those not interested in a non-supernatural explanation of the universe.
 
2013-12-12 11:45:18 AM  

phaseolus: Phil Moskowitz: If you don't believe then tinkerbell will die.


That was the premise of this book

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It's been a premise in a lot of books. Terry Pratchett's Small Gods comes to mind. Steven Erikson makes use of it in the Malazan series as well.
 
2013-12-12 11:48:01 AM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: With religious participation dying what worries me is what is going to fill in the gap.


At the moment, it appears brand loyalty, niche self-diagnosis, political affiliation, and social networking have pretty handily filled in the gap. The primary function of religion is as an  organizing principle. It gets people in the same space, doing roughly the same things, once a week or so. That creates group-identification, which is one of the key things that humans seem to need to feel content. People, as a rule, don't turn to religion for explanations of the universe, simply because people don't really  need an explanation of the universe to go about their day.
 
2013-12-12 11:49:51 AM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: With religious participation dying what worries me is what is going to fill in the gap. I'm an atheist, but I know WHY I'm an atheist. When religious people lose interest in religion, for whatever reason, they're going to look for something to fill its place. Maybe not anytime soon but something is going to fill the gaps of those not interested in a non-supernatural explanation of the universe.


I saw somewhere they other day that something like 91% of Czech youth have no religious upbringing.  The Czech Republic might be worth watching in regards to your concerns.

Then again, the Czechs are probably better educated than most Americans.
 
2013-12-12 11:53:43 AM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: With religious participation dying what worries me is what is going to fill in the gap. I'm an atheist, but I know WHY I'm an atheist. When religious people lose interest in religion, for whatever reason, they're going to look for something to fill its place. Maybe not anytime soon but something is going to fill the gaps of those not interested in a non-supernatural explanation of the universe.


Religion won't die. The role of gods will just be diminished as our understanding increases. There are also a whole lot of people out there who use religion as a basis for community more than anything else. There are lots of atheistic Jews for example, and most of the Unitarians I've ever met might claim to think there is 'something bigger than us', but you'll seldom if ever hear them talk about "God".
 
2013-12-12 11:56:40 AM  

theorellior: SciAm started going downhill when they abandoned the dowdy sciency look in the early 2000s for a more snazzy Photoshoppy feel. Pretty soon the interior contents began to resemble the superficial nature of the graphic design.

I know it's a magazine for the "educated layman", but that doesn't mean it has to be the National Enquirer of science.


I'm a practicing scientist and I like Scientific American. Given the roster of bloggers they have for their blog network, and the amount of fellow scientists I know who also read and enjoy Scientific American, calling it the National Enquirer of science magazines doesn't seem very accurate. New Scientist is more scientist oriented, which I also enjoy, but I find it just as prone to sensationalist BS as any other magazine.
 
2013-12-12 11:59:07 AM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: With religious participation dying what worries me is what is going to fill in the gap. I'm an atheist, but I know WHY I'm an atheist. When religious people lose interest in religion, for whatever reason, they're going to look for something to fill its place. Maybe not anytime soon but something is going to fill the gaps of those not interested in a non-supernatural explanation of the universe.


I get the feeling a lot of people aren't really religious anyway, they just go along because other people in their social group do.
 
2013-12-12 12:01:47 PM  

Bondith: I saw somewhere they other day that something like 91% of Czech youth have no religious upbringing.  The Czech Republic might be worth watching in regards to your concerns.

Then again, the Czechs are probably better educated than most Americans.


They were also run by a communist government from 1945-1989. Religious affiliation was pretty heavily discouraged during that time. Although in 1991 apparently 39% of Czech's still self-identified as Roman Catholic. Today it is down to something like 10%.
 
2013-12-12 12:07:20 PM  

UberDave: [img.fark.net image 344x500]


Love love love that series. Think its time to re-read it :)
 
2013-12-12 12:13:47 PM  
'Time' Magazine asked whether The Big Guy Upstairs was Dead in a 60's cover story that roused the rabble.

/and Rabbis

//too lazy to link
 
2013-12-12 12:15:23 PM  
What if god was one of us?
 
2013-12-12 12:17:59 PM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: With religious participation dying what worries me is what is going to fill in the gap. I'm an atheist, but I know WHY I'm an atheist. When religious people lose interest in religion, for whatever reason, they're going to look for something to fill its place. Maybe not anytime soon but something is going to fill the gaps of those not interested in a non-supernatural explanation of the universe.


Islam is the fastest growing religion, both in the US and around the world. They will eventually become a force that can influence elections although it will take a few years. When that happens, you will find yourself wishing for the Christians again.

/People are falling away from God due to apathy, not due to increased science awareness or "better" education.

/Atheists still account for only 2.5% of people in the country
 
2013-12-12 12:21:16 PM  

IC Stars: What if god was one of us?


Well, He is a slob.
 
2013-12-12 12:22:46 PM  
Hey, our whole collective experience could just be one massive computer simulation, in which case it depends on what your definition of God is. Maybe it's turtles.  No one really knows what we are, where life comes from,or where we're going. Least of all f*cking atheists with their Occam's Razor bullsh*t.
 
2013-12-12 12:26:35 PM  
Impossible.  That which never lived cannot die.
 
2013-12-12 12:28:05 PM  

Lee451: Islam is the fastest growing religion, both in the US and around the world. They will eventually become a force that can influence elections although it will take a few years. When that happens, you will find yourself wishing for the Christians again.


It must be hard posting from under your bed.
 
2013-12-12 12:32:40 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: Fano: God needs prayer, badly

All gods are fueled by prayer. Being omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent just isn't enough.


I've upgraded to E-85 prayer.  More efficient.
 
2013-12-12 12:33:57 PM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: With religious participation dying what worries me is what is going to fill in the gap.


The NFL, the NBA, MLB, world cup soccer, politics.

Lee451: Islam is the fastest growing religion, both in the US and around the world. They will eventually become a force that can influence elections although it will take a few years. When that happens, you will find yourself wishing for the Christians again.


I highly doubt it. Modern day Christians follow Christ's teachings about 5% of the time. The vast majority of Muslims aren't Wahabbists.
 
2013-12-12 12:34:22 PM  

theorellior: Lee451: Islam is the fastest growing religion, both in the US and around the world. They will eventually become a force that can influence elections although it will take a few years. When that happens, you will find yourself wishing for the Christians again.

It must be hard posting from under your bed.


Well, thank god for the seperation of church and state, so that one reglisious group, if they manage to hold powerfull offices, can't change the laws to reflect their beliefs. Oh wait..

Sorry Christians, you guys screwed the pooch.  If only you would be content clutching your pearls in private instead of trying to pass religious federal laws.
 
2013-12-12 12:38:59 PM  

phaseolus: Phil Moskowitz: If you don't believe then tinkerbell will die.


That was the premise of this book

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Or a more humorous interpretation:

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2013-12-12 12:39:31 PM  
He is not dead.

A Cave Geek: Impossible.  That which never lived cannot die.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

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2013-12-12 12:41:50 PM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: With religious participation dying what worries me is what is going to fill in the gap. I'm an atheist, but I know WHY I'm an atheist. When religious people lose interest in religion, for whatever reason, they're going to look for something to fill its place. Maybe not anytime soon but something is going to fill the gaps of those not interested in a non-supernatural explanation of the universe.


I think most agnostics/atheists now worship their iPhones and Television sets.  It seems that modern Sunday mass go from pregame to post game.    You do make a good point though.  The problem I have with rejecting God is "what truly is there to believe in?"
 
2013-12-12 12:43:59 PM  
Is my imaginary friend dead?
 
2013-12-12 12:44:55 PM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: With religious participation dying what worries me is what is going to fill in the gap. I'm an atheist, but I know WHY I'm an atheist. When religious people lose interest in religion, for whatever reason, they're going to look for something to fill its place. Maybe not anytime soon but something is going to fill the gaps of those not interested in a non-supernatural explanation of the universe.


Partly at least, I think it is being replaced by pseudoscience-y stuff, astrology, "new age", and such.  Example:  instead of delusion manifesting as a demonic possession, now it sometimes manifests as alien abduction.

I think critical thinking should be pushed as hard as possible in education, but I also think there will always be some segment of the population that will prefer superstition and magical thinking.  I'm unconvinced that there is much of a difference between a magical thinker who believes an omnipotent deity will become enraged by their choice of food or whatever than there is with one who thinks that "crystals" can cure cancer or that the position of a particular astronomical body dictates how lucky they are on a particular day.
 
2013-12-12 12:45:37 PM  

Wook: The problem I have with rejecting God is "what truly is there to believe in?"


Why is that a problem?
 
2013-12-12 12:48:57 PM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: for whatever reason, they're going to look for something to fill its place


Non-Korean East Asians are fairly non-religious. They go through the motions of Shinto and Buddhism, but their behavior and life isn't guided by their relgion. They seem mostly fine just having a family and career.
 
2013-12-12 12:53:21 PM  
First subby, the article you linked to isn't *the* cover story, and it isn't even mentioned on the cover. That's because it's not an article, it's an op-ed piece by Michael Shermer.  Second, Mr. Schermer is a self-avowed skeptic who has been alternately predicting the end of religion and decrying religious belief for as long as I've been a subscriber to the magazine (three years now, at least).  This guy is such a broken clock he's the one reason why I've seriously considered cancelling my subscription... it does not speak well of the SA editorial board to have kept him around this long.

Second, religion is not dying.  Lots of skeptics (like Mr. Schermer) have widely predicted the end of religion because modern science has effectively killed religion for skeptics. These are the people who believed in the "God of the gaps", the people who believed in God as a method to explain everything unexplainable about the universe, but modern science has done an excellent job at giving us explanations in the last 100 years or so, so most of those people have become quite disillusioned.

What he (and skeptics like him) fail to realize is that there are quite a number of other reasons as to why someone might want to be religious.  These people might revise their understanding of God when science explains things like how the Earth was formed or how a new life is created, but there is no fundamental conflict between science and religion for these people, so the advance of science does nothing to their faith.

The skeptic's position is understandable, because 100 years ago we knew so much less about the world than we do now, and many religious people relied on God to explain things in the natural world.  But their downfall was the difference between correlation and causation: these people didn't believe in God to explain their natural world, they explained their natural world with God because they had a deeper underlying faith in God. As it turned out, there were far, far more religious people in the second group than the first, so not only has faith survived the advent of the scientific age, but it has continued to flourish.
 
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2013-12-12 12:54:46 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: With religious participation dying what worries me is what is going to fill in the gap.

The NFL, the NBA, MLB, world cup soccer, politics.

Lee451: Islam is the fastest growing religion, both in the US and around the world. They will eventually become a force that can influence elections although it will take a few years. When that happens, you will find yourself wishing for the Christians again.

I highly doubt it. Modern day Christians follow Christ's teachings about 5% of the time. The vast majority of Muslims aren't Wahabbists.


It seems that the Islam fundamentalists don't have to be anywhere near the majority in order to cause vast problems.  They just need to convince the moderate majority that fighting them is a bad idea and they get to hold more sway than they otherwise would.  It really is a minor part of the group making the major part look bad, but the majority isn't counteracting that influence.  (I'd say that about the Republican Tea Party too, but Boehner seems to be aiming some stomping at them and Mike Lee is 'reinventing' his image as well)
 
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