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(Sun Sentinel)   If you had "schizophrenia" as the reason Mandela's Memorial Service had a fake sign language interpreter, claim your prize   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 85
    More: Followup, Nelson Mandela, schizophrenics, Jacob Zuma, Nobel Peace, Eastern Cape, deaf people, Congress of Paraguay, U.S. President Barack Obama  
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2013-12-12 08:21:07 AM  
I opted for "Caucasians are racist" as the reason, but I guess this is a fluke.
 
2013-12-12 08:21:33 AM  
I have a question.  For events where the audience speaks several different languages, when the sign language interpreter has to spell a word because there is no sign for it - like proper nouns - in what language does the interpreter spell it in?  How do they decide?
 
2013-12-12 08:22:33 AM  
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I'm not sure what tipped them off.
 
2013-12-12 08:28:05 AM  

SlothB77: I have a question.  For events where the audience speaks several different languages, when the sign language interpreter has to spell a word because there is no sign for it - like proper nouns - in what language does the interpreter spell it in?  How do they decide?


Almost every modern language has their own sign language:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sign_languages

ASL was the basis for a lot of them, and then they morphed ASL to fit their native language.
 
2013-12-12 08:28:52 AM  

nickerj1: SlothB77: I have a question.  For events where the audience speaks several different languages, when the sign language interpreter has to spell a word because there is no sign for it - like proper nouns - in what language does the interpreter spell it in?  How do they decide?

Almost every modern language has their own sign language:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sign_languages

ASL was the basis for a lot of them, and then they morphed ASL to fit their native language.


But to answer your question, probably the language the speaker is speaking in.
 
2013-12-12 08:30:51 AM  
something something polar bears something something Al Sharpton
 
2013-12-12 08:31:50 AM  
This is just a funny story right?  Or do I need to take a side?
 
2013-12-12 08:32:12 AM  

nickerj1: SlothB77: I have a question.  For events where the audience speaks several different languages, when the sign language interpreter has to spell a word because there is no sign for it - like proper nouns - in what language does the interpreter spell it in?  How do they decide?

Almost every modern language has their own sign language:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sign_languages

ASL was the basis for a lot of them, and then they morphed ASL to fit their native language.


My understanding was that the signer was not signing in any recognized sign language.
 
2013-12-12 08:32:40 AM  
Impressive then that he was able to continue a rhythmic pattern of hand gestures while maintaining a stone-faced stare (when facial expressiveness is an important factor in both South African Sign Language and BANZSL) all while having severe audio and visual hallucinations.
 
2013-12-12 08:33:04 AM  

nickerj1: Almost every modern language has their own sign language:


Which is a giant step backwards.

Back in the day, Christian monks would take a vow of silence. But they still wanted to talk. so they developed a sign language and sent it back to the Vatican. Thus all Christian monks learned the same signs, regardless of background. Eventually monks could communicate without speaking much better than they could verbally because they all spoke the same signs.
 
2013-12-12 08:34:23 AM  
"There was nothing I could do. I was alone in a very dangerous situation. I tried to control myself and not show the world what was going on. I am very sorry. It's the situation I found myself in," he told the paper.

I get that he was surrounded by like a lot of Black people and that would make lot of folks nervous. But has anyone bothered to tell him that he's black as well?
 
2013-12-12 08:34:37 AM  

SlothB77: I have a question.  For events where the audience speaks several different languages, when the sign language interpreter has to spell a word because there is no sign for it - like proper nouns - in what language does the interpreter spell it in?  How do they decide?


IANAD, but I'd expect it to be the alphabet for the sign language he's using - most likely South African Sign Language (which just happens to use the same fingerspelling alphabet as ASL). Deaf folks don't sign in English or Xhosa or whatever, sign languages have a completely distinct vocabulary and grammar.
 
2013-12-12 08:35:01 AM  
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2013-12-12 08:35:09 AM  
Is "schizophrenia" the new street slang for "high on PCP"?
 
2013-12-12 08:36:56 AM  
When contacted by Reuters, he said he could not understand why people were complaining now, rather than after other events. "I'm not a failure. I deliver," he said.

T
hat is going to be my catch-all phrase whenever I catastrophically fark something up.  "I burned down your vacation home cooking pancakes?.....uhh.... hey I'm not a failure. I deliver."
 
2013-12-12 08:41:22 AM  
Was he hearing the same voices as the last time he used fake sign language as an interpreter?

The man also did sign interpretation at an event last year that was attended by South African President Jacob Zuma, Druchen said. At that appearance, a deaf person in the audience videotaped the event and gave it to the deaf federation, which analyzed the video, prepared a report and submitted a formal complaint to the governing African National Congress party
 
2013-12-12 08:46:16 AM  
He wasn't interpreting, he was doing a marathon Hand Jive session.
 
2013-12-12 08:46:22 AM  

berylman: When contacted by Reuters, he said he could not understand why people were complaining now, rather than after other events. "I'm not a failure. I deliver," he said.

That is going to be my catch-all phrase whenever I catastrophically fark something up.  "I burned down your vacation home cooking pancakes?.....uhh.... hey I'm not a failure. I deliver."


It's more amusing that the media said there was a history of complaints against the signer at previous events, though obviously the complaints were not as big because world sign language organizations hadn't reviewed the tapes to say it doesn't match any known signing. "Why is everyone complaining about the quality of my signing at the funeral of one of the greatest world leaders of our generation? Hardly anybody complained about the quality of my signing at that one state dinner!" Maybe because there was not a deaf population actually at those rather limited events and a signer was there to be inclusive but was not necessary? Maybe because if only a couple deaf people were in attendance they just assumed he was using a language they weren't familiar with?
 
2013-12-12 08:48:23 AM  
I know as much or more sign language as that guy.... I wonder if I could get a high paying position with the state department?

/Begins practicing the "peace" sign, the "Bird," some random gang signs....
 
2013-12-12 08:49:37 AM  
FTA: "He was procured. He did not just rock up,"

Oh rearry.

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/hot
 
2013-12-12 08:51:06 AM  
Take a good look at what the civil rights of the disabled are going to turn into, once the US is no longer "exceptional."

/and South Africa is actually the freest, most democratic African nation
//the rest are more like Egypt at best, and Zimbabwe at worst
 
2013-12-12 08:52:12 AM  

sunderland56: Is "schizophrenia" the new street slang for "high on PCP"?


I thought it was just a weird way to spell "bullshiat artist," but your hypothesis is also worth testing.
 
2013-12-12 08:53:52 AM  

Stinkyy: I opted for "Caucasians are racist" as the reason, but I guess this is a fluke.


Except with a name like Thamsanqa Jantjie, he is not likely caucasion.
 
2013-12-12 08:55:13 AM  
Heard on the news of that company that hired him has disappear
 
2013-12-12 08:55:44 AM  
This situation is no joke.
This is a major embarrassment for South Africa and, sadly again, for the US Secret Service for letting this guy get so close to President Obama as well as others.

The media seems like they are covering this as some kind of humorous incident as if some Howard Stern fan got on stage.

This is a major failure on many levels.
 
2013-12-12 08:56:41 AM  

Gunny Highway: This is just a funny story right?  Or do I need to take a side?


Take a side or risk being a fark republican, there is no neutral.

/read as Zap Branigan
 
2013-12-12 08:56:45 AM  
I thought it was pretty funny, He bluffed his way next to world leaders and trolled several nations
kinda epic
I don't think for a second he's actually schizo
but he is damn nifty
 
2013-12-12 08:57:46 AM  

Lerxst2k: This situation is no joke.
This is a major embarrassment for South Africa and, sadly again, for the US Secret Service for letting this guy get so close to President Obama as well as others.

The media seems like they are covering this as some kind of humorous incident as if some Howard Stern fan got on stage.

This is a major failure on many levels.


Shut.Down.Everything.
 
2013-12-12 08:58:22 AM  
I thought that at something like the Mandela funeral service that there would have been something exceptional going on in the background.     IE:  some kind of LionKing extravaganza like in Disney or on Broadway.     Animal puppets,  stilt walkers,  Hakuna Matata softly playing.     Giraffes, wildabeast and warthog puppets all dancing around in a light show.


...and all we got was a pyshcotic sign language fail
 
2013-12-12 08:58:42 AM  

BeerBear: Heard on the news of that company that hired him has disappear


I am sorry for your lots
 
2013-12-12 09:12:00 AM  
Good thing he was only next to the president and not trying to buy a gun.
 
2013-12-12 09:13:06 AM  
If that were even remotely true, do the powers that be think it wise to have one of these voice hearing nutters 4 feet away from the worlds most powerful leaders?
 
2013-12-12 09:13:33 AM  

Lerxst2k: This situation is no joke.
This is a major embarrassment for South Africa and, sadly again, for the US Secret Service for letting this guy get so close to President Obama as well as others.

The media seems like they are covering this as some kind of humorous incident as if some Howard Stern fan got on stage.

This is a major failure on many levels.


OMG BENGHAZI
 
2013-12-12 09:14:58 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Good thing he was only next to the president and not trying to buy a gun.


This was pathetic. Really pathetic.
 
2013-12-12 09:16:02 AM  

Lerxst2k: This situation is no joke.
This is a major embarrassment for South Africa and, sadly again, for the US Secret Service for letting this guy get so close to President Obama as well as others.

The media seems like they are covering this as some kind of humorous incident as if some Howard Stern fan got on stage.

This is a major failure on many levels.


Easy, Francis.  Nobody got hurt resulting in funny.  The secret agent people will beat somebody up over it, I'm sure.  Rest assured, you'll get your pound of flesh.
 
2013-12-12 09:16:04 AM  
I'm telling you, this guy is probably related to Jacob Zuma. It's a family patronage gig.
 
2013-12-12 09:16:48 AM  
How can you tell if a sign-language interpreter is schizophrenic?

(a) His left hand doesn't know what his right hand is talking about.

(b) He sees fingers in his head giving him commands.
 
2013-12-12 09:16:53 AM  

here to help: StoPPeRmobile: Good thing he was only next to the president and not trying to buy a gun.

This was pathetic. Really pathetic.


You mean like security at that event?
 
2013-12-12 09:19:42 AM  

Lerxst2k: This situation is no joke.
This is a major embarrassment for South Africa and, sadly again, for the US Secret Service for letting this guy get so close to President Obama as well as others.

The media seems like they are covering this as some kind of humorous incident as if some Howard Stern fan got on stage.

This is a major failure on many levels.


I saw his interview with some TV station on Good Morning America.  He admitted that he had these episodes before and he had a history of violence when suffering those episodes.  So you've got a schizophrenic with a history of violence while suffering those episodes and he's smack in the middle of a group of foreign dignitaries.  And they still kept this guy?  And they put him near foreign dignitaries?
I'm just glad that the voices told him to do weird hand gestures and not "Attack!  Attack!  Attack!"
 
2013-12-12 09:35:28 AM  
Hey man, the guy just needed the $85. Lay off of him, willya??
 
2013-12-12 09:46:26 AM  

eyeq360: Lerxst2k: This situation is no joke.
This is a major embarrassment for South Africa and, sadly again, for the US Secret Service for letting this guy get so close to President Obama as well as others.

The media seems like they are covering this as some kind of humorous incident as if some Howard Stern fan got on stage.

This is a major failure on many levels.

I saw his interview with some TV station on Good Morning America.  He admitted that he had these episodes before and he had a history of violence when suffering those episodes.  So you've got a schizophrenic with a history of violence while suffering those episodes and he's smack in the middle of a group of foreign dignitaries.  And they still kept this guy?  And they put him near foreign dignitaries?
I'm just glad that the voices told him to do weird hand gestures and not "Attack!  Attack!  Attack!"


Although, the other possible ending would've been a little more entertaining.
 
2013-12-12 09:50:21 AM  
Well he may not be able to sign for shiat, but was truly representing Mandela's legacy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-12/nelson-mandela-memorial-fake-i mp ersonator-in-gifs/5152014

"The ruling African National Congress has denied knowing who Mr Jantjie was, even though he appeared on stage alongside Mr Zuma at a big party meeting last year."
 
2013-12-12 09:56:33 AM  

lack of warmth: eyeq360: Lerxst2k: This situation is no joke.
This is a major embarrassment for South Africa and, sadly again, for the US Secret Service for letting this guy get so close to President Obama as well as others.

The media seems like they are covering this as some kind of humorous incident as if some Howard Stern fan got on stage.

This is a major failure on many levels.

I saw his interview with some TV station on Good Morning America.  He admitted that he had these episodes before and he had a history of violence when suffering those episodes.  So you've got a schizophrenic with a history of violence while suffering those episodes and he's smack in the middle of a group of foreign dignitaries.  And they still kept this guy?  And they put him near foreign dignitaries?
I'm just glad that the voices told him to do weird hand gestures and not "Attack!  Attack!  Attack!"

Although, the other possible ending would've been a little more entertaining.


If he did go violent, what are the odds that he blames Jesus or God?
 
2013-12-12 10:01:42 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Take a good look at what the civil rights of the disabled are going to turn into, once the US is no longer "exceptional."

/and South Africa is actually the freest, most democratic African nation
//the rest are more like Egypt at best, and Zimbabwe at worst


Don't care how "free" they are, they are still the AIDS-iest...
/Everyone's got AIDS!
 
2013-12-12 10:05:31 AM  
Unimpressed:
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2013-12-12 10:15:49 AM  
At least he didn't pickle hop the yam bridge......... yet.
 
2013-12-12 10:15:50 AM  

eyeq360: lack of warmth: eyeq360: Lerxst2k: This situation is no joke.
This is a major embarrassment for South Africa and, sadly again, for the US Secret Service for letting this guy get so close to President Obama as well as others.

The media seems like they are covering this as some kind of humorous incident as if some Howard Stern fan got on stage.

This is a major failure on many levels.

I saw his interview with some TV station on Good Morning America.  He admitted that he had these episodes before and he had a history of violence when suffering those episodes.  So you've got a schizophrenic with a history of violence while suffering those episodes and he's smack in the middle of a group of foreign dignitaries.  And they still kept this guy?  And they put him near foreign dignitaries?
I'm just glad that the voices told him to do weird hand gestures and not "Attack!  Attack!  Attack!"

Although, the other possible ending would've been a little more entertaining.

If he did go violent, what are the odds that he blames Jesus or God?


If he lived long enough to be questioned.
 
2013-12-12 10:17:28 AM  

SlothB77: I have a question.  For events where the audience speaks several different languages, when the sign language interpreter has to spell a word because there is no sign for it - like proper nouns - in what language does the interpreter spell it in?  How do they decide?


They don't always do that.  In the area of where they are describing someone well known, like Mandela for instance, they actually have a specific sign that means his that person.

For the record, this is true.  The sign for Mandela is a particular motion toward the way he parted his hair.

Citation:  CBS World News Tonight, interviewing a South African deaf person who explained that.
 
2013-12-12 10:23:10 AM  
He clearly doesn't know how to sign. But does he know that he doesn't know how to sign?
 
2013-12-12 10:23:11 AM  
I skipped schizophrenia and went straight for the corruption angle.
 
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