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(Talking Points Memo)   So...how's everyone's favorite healthcare law doing? Mmm? Ohh, Arkansas, aren't you a spry little bugger. Look at you. *cries* They just liberalize so fast these days. *weeps* I wanna have more states   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2013-12-12 08:55:53 AM  
Before anyone chimes in with confusion about Massachusetts please remember that we've had what the rest of the country is getting for almost ten years now.
 
2013-12-12 08:58:14 AM  

Skarekrough: Before anyone chimes in with confusion about Massachusetts please remember that we've had what the rest of the country is getting for almost ten years now.


Exactly

but let's see who bites...
 
2013-12-12 09:04:36 AM  
And WI is doing everything it can to prevent enrollment.  They know that the policies are better than the crap that people have now...and are actively working to convince people that their crap plans are better than 'socialism'.

Thankfully, external pressure convinced the tea party morons to NOT recommend a repeal of common core.  Boiled down to 'if you repeal it, you'd better have something to replace it, or we're going to lose a LOT of federal money...like tomorrow'.
 
2013-12-12 09:05:08 AM  
Also, this appears to show enrollment vs state population. Is that correct?

Wouldn't it be more useful to show enrollment vs the currently uninsured?
 
2013-12-12 09:10:46 AM  
I think I heard the other week that Texas and Missouri were making it a felony to offer someone advice on buying health care.  Which sounds insane, but not too insane to be true.
 
2013-12-12 09:13:48 AM  

Alphax: I think I heard the other week that Texas and Missouri were making it a felony to offer someone advice on buying health care.  Which sounds insane, but not too insane to be true.


I know that Texas is doing that... this is the first I've heard of Missouri doing it though.
 
2013-12-12 09:19:51 AM  

Alphax: I think I heard the other week that Texas and Missouri were making it a felony to offer someone advice on buying health care.  Which sounds insane, but not too insane to be true.


Regressive? Sure. Mean? Yeah. Spiteful? You'd better believe it. But those are par for the course in Texas.
 
2013-12-12 09:21:44 AM  
Man I hated this headline.
 
2013-12-12 09:23:30 AM  
The local news reported last night that NC only has about 8000 sign ups using the ACA website, so obviously it isn't such a great deal. They left out the part where NC conservatives have actively attempted to limit information about the website by refusing to provide funds for assistance programs, refused to expand Medicaid coverage (so about half a million NC residents are caught in the gap) and with BCBS having a near-stranglehold monopoly on health insurance in the state, rates here are very high.
 
2013-12-12 09:24:21 AM  

Skarekrough: Before anyone chimes in with confusion about Massachusetts please remember that we've had what the rest of the country is getting for almost ten years now.


And it's been such an economy-wrecking, job-killing mess, our tax rates are going down by 5 basis points because revenues are so good.
 
2013-12-12 09:25:59 AM  

Alphax: I think I heard the other week that Texas and Missouri were making it a felony to offer someone advice on buying health care.  Which sounds insane, but not too insane to be true.


Right, because if you're straddling the poverty line in such a way that your income is too high to get Medicaid yet not high enough to buy other health insurance, you basically have no option in these states except to remain uninsured.

And if you're angry about your situation and ask an advisor about why the fark you can't get health insurance from good ol' Rick Perry the only honest answer is "because Republicans hate Obama".

And that would make Republicans look like sniveling vindictive little shiats who use their constituency like Candyland pieces in a game of chess.
 
2013-12-12 09:26:11 AM  
Finally picked the plan last week on the exchange for my wife and kids

We get to keep my kids doctors. We lose my wife's, but that was because we decided to pick a slightly more restrictive network of doctors in order to save $75 a month over a slightly wider network, also on the exchange. We now have maternity coverage for my wife on an individual plan instead of having to buy a plan from my employer for her.

Not to mention other nice things from ACA? Let's see, got a refund check from my current insurance provider last year (80/20 rule). My wife gets free birth control.

Oh, and the new insurance? Yeah, I save $320 bucks a month, and I DONT qualify for a subsidy/credit.

THANKS OBAMA!
 
2013-12-12 09:29:44 AM  

Skarekrough: Before anyone chimes in with confusion about Massachusetts please remember that we've had what the rest of the country is getting for almost ten years now.


Same for Hawaii, IIRC.
 
2013-12-12 09:33:09 AM  

Skarekrough: Before anyone chimes in with confusion about Massachusetts please remember that we've had what the rest of the country is getting for almost ten years now.


So I assume Massachuesetts is a burning hellscape with roving rape gangs and cats sleeping with dogs.
 
2013-12-12 09:38:20 AM  

mrshowrules: So I assume Massachuesetts is a burning hellscape with roving rape gangs and cats sleeping with dogs.


only in Brockton
 
2013-12-12 09:41:01 AM  

mrshowrules: Skarekrough: Before anyone chimes in with confusion about Massachusetts please remember that we've had what the rest of the country is getting for almost ten years now.

So I assume Massachuesetts is a burning hellscape with roving rape gangs and cats sleeping with dogs.


You should see what the courthouses are like...

You first walk through the doors and are directed over to the forced gay marriage room. You then you and your newly assigned "partner" where you are forced to have an abortion (even if you are a dude). Then it's onto the death panel screening room. If you make it out of there alive, you are free to leave and find a place to live. But, as you mentioned, you now have to watch out for the roving rape gangs.
 
2013-12-12 09:41:17 AM  
Why isn't this map redder??? OBAMACARE HAS FAILED! Repeal now!
 
2013-12-12 09:41:54 AM  

mrshowrules: So I assume Massachuesetts is a burning hellscape with roving rape gangs and cats sleeping with dogs.


Well, yeah.  But it was like that before Romneycare.

I guess this map does show something:  The importance of state and local elections.
 
2013-12-12 09:46:56 AM  

Skleenar: mrshowrules: So I assume Massachuesetts is a burning hellscape with roving rape gangs and cats sleeping with dogs.

Well, yeah.  But it was like that before Romneycare.

I guess this map does show something:  The importance of state and local elections.


Yup, this. I wonder if state-level Democrats will be able to make much headway by campaigning on the Medicaid expansion and a state-level exchange, which one might think would be attractive to states' rights adherents.
 
2013-12-12 09:51:33 AM  

somedude210: mrshowrules: So I assume Massachuesetts is a burning hellscape with roving rape gangs and cats sleeping with dogs.

only in Brockton


nice work
 
2013-12-12 09:52:17 AM  

A Cave Geek: And WI is doing everything it can to prevent enrollment.  They know that the policies are better than the crap that people have now...and are actively working to convince people that their crap plans are better than 'socialism'.

Thankfully, external pressure convinced the tea party morons to NOT recommend a repeal of common core.  Boiled down to 'if you repeal it, you'd better have something to replace it, or we're going to lose a LOT of federal money...like tomorrow'.


I for one am gobsmacked that glorious leader Scott Walker and his group of freedom fighters would do that in the great state of Wisconsin. They are brown bag lunch eating real Americans without an agenda
 
2013-12-12 09:56:12 AM  

Jesus the 33rd: somedude210: mrshowrules: So I assume Massachuesetts is a burning hellscape with roving rape gangs and cats sleeping with dogs.

only in Brockton

nice work


nice to see who actually lives in the state here :D

/was going to say Lynn, but that's low-hanging fruit
 
2013-12-12 09:58:21 AM  
why are republicans so terrified at the prospect of poor people having health insurance?
 
2013-12-12 10:02:58 AM  

FlashHarry: why are republicans so terrified at the prospect of poor people having health insurance?


They like the idea of punishing people for being poor, either because poor people are immoral in their minds, or because being poor will incentivize them to work harder to not be poor.  Having health insurance and being poor is like condoning the existence of poor people.
 
2013-12-12 10:05:39 AM  
You mean blue states already have decent health insurance options and red states are actively working to prevent obamacare from working?
 
2013-12-12 10:06:52 AM  

FlashHarry: why are republicans so terrified at the prospect of poor people having health insurance?

"It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail."

--Rand Paul
 
2013-12-12 10:10:16 AM  

mrshowrules: FlashHarry: why are republicans so terrified at the prospect of poor people having health insurance?

"It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail."
--Rand Paul


Isn't that the Republican party platform now?
 
2013-12-12 10:11:06 AM  

kidgenius: We get to keep my kids doctors. We lose my wife's, but that was because we decided to pick a slightly more restrictive network of doctors in order to save $75 a month over a slightly wider network, also on the exchange. We now have maternity coverage for my wife on an individual plan instead of having to buy a plan from my employer for her. Not to mention other nice things from ACA? Let's see, got a refund check from my current insurance provider last year (80/20 rule). My wife gets free birth control. Oh, and the new insurance? Yeah, I save $320 bucks a month, and I DONT qualify for a subsidy/credit.



Wow. Rock on, man. I wouldn't get a subsidy either, since my employer covers all of us, but maybe I should check into this thing too anyway.
 
2013-12-12 10:15:37 AM  
I'm not seeing the bootstraps I expected in Kentucky.
 
2013-12-12 10:17:14 AM  

FlashHarry: why are republicans so terrified at the prospect of poor people having health insurance?


Because when people have immediate health care concerns to worry about, they spend less time thinking about or doing anything else about how their standard of living is unacceptable. If poor people started to be able to afford the time and energy to raise a fuss over how else our economic system is screwing them over, the top 5% face the prospect of (get your fainting couch) maybe possibly one day in the future only having 50% of the nation's wealth instead of the over 60% that they currently have. So they've done a damn good job pitting the middle and lower classes amongst each other by convincing a large swath of them that if it wasn't for the *other* middle class/poor people who are mooching off the system, such as via health care (otherwise known as "not wanting to die an undignified death in the gutter because they couldn't afford to be seen by medical professionals when their ailment was relatively cheap and easy to address") they too would be crazy rich.
 
2013-12-12 10:18:28 AM  

FlashHarry: why are republicans so terrified at the prospect of poor people having health insurance?



It's what Jesus would have wanted.
 
2013-12-12 10:19:27 AM  

FlashHarry: why are republicans so terrified at the prospect of poor people having health insurance?


Because they can vote.
 
2013-12-12 10:24:50 AM  

mrshowrules: Skarekrough: Before anyone chimes in with confusion about Massachusetts please remember that we've had what the rest of the country is getting for almost ten years now.

So I assume Massachuesetts is a burning hellscape with roving rape gangs and cats sleeping with dogs.


We still have tolls on the Mass Pike and not all the liquor stores are open on Sunday.

So, I guess, kinda.....
 
2013-12-12 10:29:46 AM  

redmid17: Man I hated this headline.


this right here   ^
 
2013-12-12 10:34:30 AM  

Skarekrough: mrshowrules: Skarekrough: Before anyone chimes in with confusion about Massachusetts please remember that we've had what the rest of the country is getting for almost ten years now.

So I assume Massachuesetts is a burning hellscape with roving rape gangs and cats sleeping with dogs.

We still have tolls on the Mass Pike and not all the liquor stores are open on Sunday.

So, I guess, kinda.....


If I can't get liquor on Sunday, I'm paying a visit to my neighbour and either he or his hot wife better have some or I get stabby/rapey.
 
2013-12-12 10:53:12 AM  

Fantasta Potamus: Also, this appears to show enrollment vs state population. Is that correct?

Wouldn't it be more useful to show enrollment vs the currently uninsured?


No, it shows enrollment vs an estimate of the "eligible population". There are details in the article.
 
2013-12-12 10:56:03 AM  

FlashHarry: why are republicans so terrified at the prospect of poor people having health insurance?


Because in generally conservatives are much more concerned that something good might happen to someone who didn't deserve it than that something bad might happen to someone who didn't deserve it. Also, they think poor people are bad by nature, which is why they are poor.
 
2013-12-12 11:17:13 AM  

Alphax: I think I heard the other week that Texas and Missouri were making it a felony to offer someone advice on buying health care.  Which sounds insane, but not too insane to be true.


I thought Texas was all about "keep your government regulations out of my...well...everything"?
 
2013-12-12 11:17:29 AM  

kidgenius: THANKS OBAMA!


You must live in one of those blue states where the state government hasn't actively tried to gimp the ACA.
 
2013-12-12 11:18:04 AM  
I don't get the Subby's Arkansas reference. Is it because it is a southern bible belt state that is barely more pink on the map then its surrounding potato states?

/Arkie
 
2013-12-12 11:18:19 AM  

somedude210: mrshowrules: So I assume Massachuesetts is a burning hellscape with roving rape gangs and cats sleeping with dogs.

only in Brockton


And Dorchester has *always* been that way.

/unless it's improved since I last lived there
 
2013-12-12 12:06:01 PM  

snowshovel: Alphax: I think I heard the other week that Texas and Missouri were making it a felony to offer someone advice on buying health care.  Which sounds insane, but not too insane to be true.

I thought Texas was all about "keep your government regulations out of my...well...everything"?


You're cute. That only applies to rich people, gun owners, and straight white Christian males.

/Texan
//I love my state like I love my family
///Sometimes it really pisses me off
 
2013-12-12 12:08:27 PM  

Cortez the Killer: I don't get the Subby's Arkansas reference. Is it because it is a southern bible belt state that is barely more pink on the map then its surrounding potato states?

/Arkie


Yeah, I don't get it either. Arkansas has a Democratic Governor, and the Dems actually held the state legislature until very recently (last Southern state legislature to go GOP post-Reconstruction iirc), but none of these Democrats could be described as "liberal". I was at event once where students booed Beebe for his "I said I'm against it during the campaign, so that's that." answer to a same-sex marriage question, and that's fairly typical of his relationship with the progressive left. 

He did appoint Jay Barth to the state board of education, though. I took some classes from Barth, he's a great guy and appointing a married gay man to the board the runs the public schools got the predictable reactions you'd expect in Arkansas, which is why I was so surprised by it.
 
2013-12-12 12:13:15 PM  

xanadian: kidgenius: THANKS OBAMA!

You must live in one of those blue states where the state government hasn't actively tried to gimp the ACA.


AZ actually.

We get the federal exchange, BUT AZ decided not to be complete dicks and agreed to the medicaid expansion. AZ also hasn't tried to pull the same shiat that Texas and Florida have with regards to the navigators, etc.
 
2013-12-12 12:22:03 PM  

Alphax: I think I heard the other week that Texas and Missouri were making it a felony to offer someone advice on buying health care.  Which sounds insane, but not too insane to be true.


I'm not finding any articles on that.


Citation?
 
2013-12-12 12:34:13 PM  

DirkValentine: Alphax: I think I heard the other week that Texas and Missouri were making it a felony to offer someone advice on buying health care.  Which sounds insane, but not too insane to be true.

I'm not finding any articles on that.


Citation?


Well here is Florida doing it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/12/florida-bans-obamacare-navi ga tors_n_3913979.html
 
2013-12-12 12:40:57 PM  

kidgenius: xanadian: kidgenius: THANKS OBAMA!

You must live in one of those blue states where the state government hasn't actively tried to gimp the ACA.

AZ actually.

We get the federal exchange, BUT AZ decided not to be complete dicks and agreed to the medicaid expansion. AZ also hasn't tried to pull the same shiat that Texas and Florida have with regards to the navigators, etc.


Ah, that's good.  I remember an article on FARK some time ago where they had a map of the US, and how each state was participating in the ACA.  It showed which states had state or federal exchanges, which states elected for the Medicaid expansion, and which states had more insurance carriers in their exchanges than others.  Maine is in the federal exchange, did NOT elect to have Medicaid expanded, and only has 3 insurance carriers.  Other states (where the premiums are lower) have more carriers.  Some states (where premiums are higher) only have 1 or 2 carriers.
 
2013-12-12 12:44:59 PM  

Corvus: DirkValentine: Alphax: I think I heard the other week that Texas and Missouri were making it a felony to offer someone advice on buying health care.  Which sounds insane, but not too insane to be true.

I'm not finding any articles on that.


Citation?

Well here is Florida doing it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/12/florida-bans-obamacare-navi ga tors_n_3913979.html


God farking lord.
 
2013-12-12 12:50:41 PM  
I'm not sure what the Arkansas reference is about. Despite being a red state, Arkansas hasn't resisted the ACA. They announced early on that they were partnering with the feds on the exchange and they didn't refuse the medicare expansion (though they do have some weird program to use the federal money to buy citizens private insurance, they're still getting people covered). I read a post from a farker the other day where a guy said he was advising all his friends in OK that live near AR to get an AR address so they would have better options.
 
2013-12-12 12:54:04 PM  

Corvus: DirkValentine: Alphax: I think I heard the other week that Texas and Missouri were making it a felony to offer someone advice on buying health care.  Which sounds insane, but not too insane to be true.

I'm not finding any articles on that.


Citation?

Well here is Florida doing it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/12/florida-bans-obamacare-navi ga tors_n_3913979.html


And this is yet another example of why Florida has it's own fark tag.
 
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