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(The Daily Beast)   That handshake with Obama and Castro? Yeah, that was a well-planned troll. And we all took a big bite   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2013-12-12 08:29:27 AM  
12 votes:
Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do
2013-12-12 09:04:34 AM  
5 votes:
We need to get past this cold war induced hysteria with Cuba and move on. So they probably have nukes left over from their association with the former Soviet Union...

Continuing this embargo against a neighbor 90 miles from Florida is just causing unnecessary suffering for their people (and the potential loss of additional economic markets we could take advantage of because of the proximity and lower shipping costs for US products than what we pay to ship to Europe or Asia).

If we really want their society to crumble? Lift the embargo and send representatives of the major US fast food chains to Cuba as ambassadors.

On a more serious note? The Chinese are communists too.... yet they have become preferred trading partners with the US because of their manufacturing base and willingness to pollute their own country to manufacture crap we are willing to buy.

So Fidel Castro probably had JFK assassinated.... The guy is sitting in a wheelchair drooling on himself .... if he's still alive. That was 50 years ago.... Time to move on.

His brother Raul seems to be a more reasonable and easier to deal with. Time to begin accepting shipments of Cuban cigars again. If we get Cuban cigars and they get McDonalds? .... We won the cold war.
2013-12-12 08:57:36 AM  
5 votes:
Troll scholl. Normalizing relations between Cuba and the US is long overdue and any progress there is laudable.

Progress has mostly been held back by a cynical GOP hoping  to keep Cuban Americans voting for them for another generation (and keeping Florida in play for them) by making being dicks to Cuba a party platform.
2013-12-12 09:11:29 AM  
4 votes:

doubled99: What is with this meme in the last couple of days where people pretend that nobody at all is reacting negatively to things? Every thread is all "Psh nobody on the right is overreacting, now or ever. Duh."


It fits perfectly with the plethora of stories claiming "people are outraged and offended" over something then have no citation other than some random Twitter comments somewhere.


Even the tiniest amount of effort can confirm it, though. There are video clips of people from Fox News, etc. There are articles and opinion pieces written. There is a pile of tangible evidence to support it.

Idly claiming that it's not happening because the link posted on Fark at that very second doesn't confirm it is ridiculous, and playing on the idea that people will be too lazy to check and just accept it.
2013-12-12 08:53:29 AM  
4 votes:
I don't really keep up with these things... but why is there still an embargo again? I'm assuming there's some sort of at least half-assed reason?
2013-12-12 10:41:39 AM  
3 votes:
So let me get this straight...

The Obama Administration has been quietly for the last 2 months been trying to begin talks with Cuba (which realistically we knew was going on after they announced that Cubans could start traveling there, or whatever that was) and when they got the chance to meet publically at a event on neutral ground, Castro offered his hand and probably told Obama he was ready to talk more and start normalizing relations.

So this is what I see...

1. End 2 wars and start pulling most troops out

2. Killed Osama bin Laden

3. Helped End Gadhafi's dictatorship (not much you can do afterwards with its ppl, they have to sort that out)

4. Something something Egypt... What can you do about people that want to vote stupid in though.

5. Starting process of normalizing relations with Iran

6. Starting process of normalizing relations with Cuba

/but he's worse President ever, not 'cause he's black, god no, how can you bring race into it!? He's just an empty suit do nothing that we're threatened by because he does stuff, oh and he's a communist, marxist, socialist, nazi, fascist, liberal, kenyan, uppity ni.... uhhh... democrat...! Yea! What's the problem with all these bl.... blah people???
2013-12-12 09:37:24 AM  
3 votes:

THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.


Reductio ad Hitlerum not a "perceptive and pertinent observation".
2013-12-12 09:35:47 AM  
3 votes:

THE GREAT NAME: Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments


Comparison to Hitler is not a counter-argument.
2013-12-12 09:34:53 AM  
3 votes:

Wooly Bully: -- noted Cuban John McCain


He's Panamanian, you racist.
2013-12-12 09:16:07 AM  
3 votes:

The Muthaship: I love how the media always tells us of the secret brilliance of every dumb ass move this guy makes.


So your position is that having diplomatic discussions with a country physically close to our own is a dumbass move?

Sounds like your opinion of Obama is sort of like this;
static.someecards.com
2013-12-12 08:55:33 AM  
3 votes:
What is with this meme in the last couple of days where people pretend that nobody at all is reacting negatively to things? Every thread is all "Psh nobody on the right is overreacting, now or ever. Duh."
2013-12-12 08:54:07 AM  
3 votes:

GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage


You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.
2013-12-12 08:53:18 AM  
3 votes:
You....you took a bit bite. The majority of us don't give a shiat who a grown man shakes hands with
2013-12-12 08:50:38 AM  
3 votes:
I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage
2013-12-12 10:22:54 AM  
2 votes:

SlothB77: Why is the media so thrilled by this?

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: Castro! He's shaking hands with Raul Castro.
CHRIS CUOMO: As Christiane points out, President Obama just shook hands with Raul Castro from Cuba.  What does that say as a gesture?
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: It says that this a moment of reconciliation for Mandela. And President Obama is doing the diplomatic thing. He's not just going to walk by and ignore these people who are there.  And they're all in a line.  He's kissing now the U.N. Secretary General, President Zuma.
ROBYN CURNOW: This is a man, and it is so true, who brought people together in life and he continues to bring people together in death.

The media is having orgasms over Obama shaking hands with Castro.  Why is that?  What does that say about them?  Does that seem a bit odd to you?
I mean, there are Americans in prison in Cuba.  Obama's got no business shaking the guy's hand.


There are American in prison in damn near every country you could name on an unlabeled map and then some.
2013-12-12 09:37:41 AM  
2 votes:

THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.


Yeah, tell us all about "libs" and what "libs" do.
Do you ever have anything of any actual substance to contribute to any discussion? Do you have any views of your own at all?
As far as I can see, you stand for nothing beyond the imaginary conversations you have with the "libs" who live inside your head.
Try to contribute something constructive to a discussion, just once - just to show us that you can.
If you can, that is.
2013-12-12 09:28:10 AM  
2 votes:

Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain


That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.
2013-12-12 09:22:08 AM  
2 votes:

Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.


"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain
2013-12-12 09:16:14 AM  
2 votes:

ElLoco: I don't really keep up with these things... but why is there still an embargo again? I'm assuming there's some sort of at least half-assed reason?


The reason is that Fidel Castro is a communist.

The real reason is that Florida is still full of anti-Castro Cuban expats, and no serious candidate for President wants alienate Florida and its 29 EV, so when it comes to Cuba the Republicans whip up their base and the Democrats remain silent.
2013-12-12 09:04:17 AM  
2 votes:

GORDON: LasersHurt: GORDON: Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.

In your world, is there a difference between noticing a thing, and having outrage over it?

In your world, does completely ignoring peoples' behavior mean that it never happened?

That doesn't make any kind of sense as a retort.  Some peeps calling out "right wingers" for being "outraged," I am asking for evidence of this and claiming "just noting it doesn't count as outrage," and you've got nothing.  I win.


You've put in literally Zero effort to look into the reactions from the right, yet here you are saying nobody was bothered and that you win. This sounds like par for the course, I guess, but really. Shamefully lazy.
2013-12-12 09:01:28 AM  
2 votes:

Gdalescrboz: You....you took a bit bite. The majority of us don't give a shiat who a grown man shakes hands with


www.thechicagodope.com

Or kisses.
2013-12-12 08:04:19 PM  
1 vote:

Thunderboy: VendorXeno: Thunderboy: Left-wing, right-wing, left-wing, right-wing ... I've never hoped for an airshow disaster more than now.

Yay, and now a snotty fence-sitter smugly proclaiming nothing of substance to make the collection complete!

Not a fence-sitter, just not a mindless follower.  And I'm getting over a cold.


But you are mindless. See, you never take the time to evaluate either position for merits. You blindly call adherents, "followers," which is stupid, and never even consider the idea that someone might adhere to, or reject, a position due to actual presence of, or lack of, merits. In short, you avoid thinking about any position rationally while pointlessly insulting anyone who takes one, which is even more stupid. You are young in thought, ignorant and trite.
2013-12-12 03:23:57 PM  
1 vote:

whidbey: Cuba isn't really "free" until they have a McDonald's and a Walmart in Havana. And you can quote me on that.



Your disdain for a functioning modern economy would be funny except for the part where only 7 out of Cuba's 17 power plants are functional, and there are about 125 days a year with major power outages.

But I'm sure that the Cuban people, as they swelter in their tropical climate while 60 or 70 years behind the rest of the world technologically, frequently smile and think of how much they enjoy having your approval at their lack of McDonald's and Wal*Mart.
2013-12-12 01:44:29 PM  
1 vote:

trappedspirit: VendorXeno: Therefor you either saw it or you willfully avoided looking for something you knew probably existed, and instead elected to promote the idea that it didn't exist. There's really no other possible scenario, sorry. I know you think you're spinning a clever lie, but you're not, you're just making yourself look especially stupid.

I think this is getting no where.  You are one of those people that need to have an argument in order to communicate.  You've found a spot to inject a make believe argument so that you can get your arguing on.  And now you've decided things have to be one of two ways and no way else.  Yet both of them are lies.  Have you stopped beating your wife yet?  Yeah, I get it.  Have I ever suggested that the outrage was none existent?  Doesn't matter.  You keep stuffing that straw in my shirt but I'm not going to be your strawman.


I think it's definitely going somewhere. Many, many people here have recognized that you're being dishonest and trying to slander others. I, myself, prefer open, intelligent and honest dialogue, but I'll settle for exposing crackpots, liars and trolls, since it's kinda required to reach that stage anyway.
2013-12-12 01:21:57 PM  
1 vote:

THE GREAT NAME: stevenboof: THE GREAT NAME: stevenboof: THE GREAT NAME: NAME understands libs so well that several of the libs on this very thread are actually NAME's sock-puppets (that is, NAME posting under another account name). Bet you can't guess which ;-)

Hmmmmm, setting up multiple accounts for the sole purpose of trolling.  Too bad there aren't any rules about his type of behavior.

Have you guessed which yet? Hint: I always give them properly capitalised names.

I couldn't care less about what you do with your alts.  It's just good to see having alts for the sole purpose of trolling is cool now.

Nope, not trolling. The alts are there to provide better lib arguments than actual libs can manage, so that NAME has something to get NAME's teeth into.


t1.gstatic.com


Do you gently weep "libs" in to your pillow wile trying to fall asleep too?
2013-12-12 12:39:01 PM  
1 vote:

THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully:
"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"
-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

What exactly is it about Hitler and the Nazis that make them - and only them - inadmissible for the purposes of learning from history?


Alright, go on then: How is Obama shaking Castro's hand, when they happen to meet at a memorial service for a guy they both liked a lot, the same as Neville Chamberlain shaking hands with Hitler over the Munich Agreement?
(Difficulty: Your answer has to be perceptive and pertinent)
2013-12-12 12:29:47 PM  
1 vote:

trappedspirit: They are apologizing for his behavior


The only people that would use the label "apologist" for those ridiculing the outraged people, are the people that think there needs to be an apology for a hand-shake.

The only people that think there needs to be an apology for a hand-shake, are people outraged by the hand-shake.

Ergo, you yourself were outraged. Now you're embarrassed at your own stupidity and are trying to deflect.
2013-12-12 11:49:52 AM  
1 vote:
Is this real? Are Republicans now trying to lie about how their fainting couch addiction isn't real?
2013-12-12 11:31:52 AM  
1 vote:

Lord_Baull: trappedspirit: I've seen more apologists for this event than accusers.  This is weird propaganda machine.

[i13.photobucket.com image 222x282]


Yeah, the first I even heard of this was from the apologists on facebook already cranking out stuff like this

i141.photobucket.com
2013-12-12 11:23:08 AM  
1 vote:

THE GREAT NAME: You know Free Radical, the fact you are free owes more to people like John McCain than to people like Fidel/Raul Castro. You do know that, right? Or are you just another lib who "CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!"


LOL.

peterandsharda.com
2013-12-12 11:03:31 AM  
1 vote:
An american president shaking hands with a communist?  Inconceivable!

news.xinhuanet.com
2013-12-12 10:57:29 AM  
1 vote:

DarkVader: China is rapidly becoming a corporatist oligarchy, much like the direction the Republicans aspire to take us.


I, for one, cannot wait for the air quality.

thinkprogress.org
2013-12-12 10:54:34 AM  
1 vote:

The Evil Home Brewer: We need to get past this cold war induced hysteria with Cuba and move on. So they probably have nukes left over from their association with the former Soviet Union...

Continuing this embargo against a neighbor 90 miles from Florida is just causing unnecessary suffering for their people (and the potential loss of additional economic markets we could take advantage of because of the proximity and lower shipping costs for US products than what we pay to ship to Europe or Asia).

If we really want their society to crumble? Lift the embargo and send representatives of the major US fast food chains to Cuba as ambassadors.

On a more serious note? The Chinese are communists too.... yet they have become preferred trading partners with the US because of their manufacturing base and willingness to pollute their own country to manufacture crap we are willing to buy.

So Fidel Castro probably had JFK assassinated.... The guy is sitting in a wheelchair drooling on himself .... if he's still alive. That was 50 years ago.... Time to move on.

His brother Raul seems to be a more reasonable and easier to deal with. Time to begin accepting shipments of Cuban cigars again. If we get Cuban cigars and they get McDonalds? .... We won the cold war.


The Chinese are NOT communists, and haven't been for a very long time.

Free education?  Not in China.
Free healthcare?  Not in China.
Income equality, or any real effort in that direction?  Not in China.

China is rapidly becoming a corporatist oligarchy, much like the direction the Republicans aspire to take us.
2013-12-12 10:49:13 AM  
1 vote:

KellyX: So let me get this straight...

The Obama Administration has been quietly for the last 2 months been trying to begin talks with Cuba (which realistically we knew was going on after they announced that Cubans could start traveling there, or whatever that was) and when they got the chance to meet publically at a event on neutral ground, Castro offered his hand and probably told Obama he was ready to talk more and start normalizing relations.

So this is what I see...

1. End 2 wars and start pulling most troops out

2. Killed Osama bin Laden

3. Helped End Gadhafi's dictatorship (not much you can do afterwards with its ppl, they have to sort that out)

4. Something something Egypt... What can you do about people that want to vote stupid in though.

5. Starting process of normalizing relations with Iran

6. Starting process of normalizing relations with Cuba

/but he's worse President ever, not 'cause he's black, god no, how can you bring race into it!? He's just an empty suit do nothing that we're threatened by because he does stuff, oh and he's a communist, marxist, socialist, nazi, fascist, liberal, kenyan, uppity ni.... uhhh... democrat...! Yea! What's the problem with all these bl.... blah people???



i13.photobucket.com
2013-12-12 10:27:34 AM  
1 vote:

GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage


Look harder.
2013-12-12 10:24:21 AM  
1 vote:

doubled99: What is with this meme in the last couple of days where people pretend that nobody at all is reacting negatively to things? Every thread is all "Psh nobody on the right is overreacting, now or ever. Duh."


It fits perfectly with the plethora of stories claiming "people are outraged and offended" over something then have no citation other than some random Twitter comments somewhere.


www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
"Nobody has expressed any outrage whatsoever.  The talking heads on TV don't count.  The bloggers don't count.  The congressmen don't count.  The ordinary people on Twitter and Facebook don't count.  See, no outrage.  How dare you libtards accuse us of being outraged?"
2013-12-12 10:21:11 AM  
1 vote:
As I tried to tell someone at work during a discussion on the merits of pineapple on pizza, not every issue can be reduced to a "people who identify with conservatives" vs "people who identify with liberals" argument. And they did anyway.

Much like various signals that Obama's presidency is illegitimate because he opens his eggs on the wrong side, there's a guy at work who's so consistently against any idea I come up with has reached the point where it's just a running joke. My solution? I have other people on the team suggest my ideas, and he gives them a fair shake. The problem? It wasn't my solution; it was the other team members AND the guy's supervisor. At this point, everyone involved has become skeptical of everything he says.

// Not so CSB: my family has been torn apart by outrage. Specifically, my observations that several people are constantly outraged by various slights against their world-view are, obviously, outrageous. I am tired.
2013-12-12 10:14:11 AM  
1 vote:

jso2897: Free Radical: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x546]

Oh John, you silly goose.

He did nothing wrong there. None of this is wrong.
What are our leaders supposed to do when they are on the world stage, with the eyes of the world on them, and they encounter the leaders of regimes that are less than exemplary? Abandon all social graces? When offered the hand of a Raul Castro on  Moamar Khaddaffi. should our President or Vice President or Secretary of State spin on his heel like Mick Jagger on Ed Sullivan?
What the f**k do people expect them to do?


I expect him to keep his farking mouth shut and not compare Obama shaking hands with Castro to Chamberlain shaking hands with Hitler.
GBB
2013-12-12 10:11:34 AM  
1 vote:
cla.calpoly.edu
Sometimes a handshake is just a handshake.
2013-12-12 10:07:33 AM  
1 vote:
shaking hands is an act of kindness,

the GOP hates kindness in all forms.

Feel the hate flow through you....
2013-12-12 10:00:20 AM  
1 vote:
THE GREAT NAME: [oeuvre]

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT A LIBERAL BELIEVES, ASK A CONSERVATIVE.

2013-12-12 09:56:58 AM  
1 vote:

Smoky Dragon Dish: That's my point.


You were right to point out that some people angry about the handshake are non-right-wing Cubans.

But you were wrong when you said "the only people really outraged over this are Cubans".

Now, maybe John McCain wasn't "really" outraged and it was just a bullsh*t pose, but plenty of non-Cuban right-wing derpers out there agreed wholeheartedly with his sentiment whether it was sincere or not.
2013-12-12 09:53:13 AM  
1 vote:

Smoky Dragon Dish: LasersHurt: Bruce Campbell: It is definitely a Cuban/Cuban-American outrage.  Being in an area with much Cuban culture and seeing/hearing reactions to this was consistent and not based on party affiliation.  Trying to make it left v right detracts from what is at the heart of the matter.

What does ignoring the reactions of right-wing non-Cubans do?

The issue that started this was the very Boobies in this thread, that the ONLY people expressing outrage over this are the crazy right wingers who hate everything Obama does or doesn't do.  Of course they're outraged, since Obama exists and he did or did not do something.  They would have found a way to be outraged if he DIDN'T shake Raul's hand.

But, there is genuine outrage from the Cuban-American community, which I cannot identify with, but I recognize as existing.  This outrage crosses political boundaries with regard to right/left ideologies.

That's my point.


But not age lines. Young Cubanos don't give a flying f**k about Castro, or the good old days in Havana.
It's time. There is just no gain to be had from putting it off any longer.
2013-12-12 09:36:24 AM  
1 vote:

qorkfiend: ElLoco: I don't really keep up with these things... but why is there still an embargo again? I'm assuming there's some sort of at least half-assed reason?

The reason is that Fidel Castro is a communist.

The real reason is that Florida is still full of anti-Castro Cuban expats, and no serious candidate for President wants alienate Florida and its 29 EV, so when it comes to Cuba the Republicans whip up their base and the Democrats remain silent.


I'd agree with the second half completely and the first half only sorta.  The reasoning I've heard in talking to US Treasury Agents (I was interviewed by two for *allegedly* taking a group of about 20 high school students to Cuba in 2005) is because the Cuban government seized all kinds of corporate assets after the Cuban Revolution and only paid the corporations a small fraction of what they were worth.  Until the government apologizes and either gives the corporations their property back and/or pays them in full for the lost value, the embargo will remain in place.  If I remember correctly, the Cuban Government paid the corporations the value that the corp.s claimed on their Cuban taxes, so it was a pretty hilarious troll by Castro.
2013-12-12 09:30:52 AM  
1 vote:

Smoky Dragon Dish: Mikey1969: Smoky Dragon Dish: Peter von Nostrand: Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

SEE: The Internet.

ISWYDT, but folks are pointing to Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz and right wing outrage over this.  I can point to Albio Sires (D-NJ8) and show you the same outrage.

The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.


That bolded part was the OP's point. The people on the Right who get pissed each time Obama draws a new breath represent the group that are getting outraged over this, which is a statement that didn't need to be made, since it already confirmed its own existence. Obama DID do something, so that particular group of people IS outraged. It doesn't mean the entire Right.
2013-12-12 09:23:43 AM  
1 vote:

Smoky Dragon Dish: The outrage people are talking about is coming from Cuban-Americans.  Both Democrats and Republicans.... FWIW.  For every Marco Rubio, there is an Albio Sires.

It's not a right wing/left wing issue.


I was unaware that Senator John McCain was a Cuban-American.
2013-12-12 09:20:08 AM  
1 vote:

The Muthaship: Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.

Nice.  2 from an actual Cuban refugee, and one from a talking head.  You win, I guess.


GORDON claimed not to have observed any outrage. Any single demonstration of "outrage" is sufficient to demonstrate his observation not to be representative of reality.
2013-12-12 09:18:56 AM  
1 vote:

LasersHurt: GORDON: LasersHurt: GORDON: Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.

In your world, is there a difference between noticing a thing, and having outrage over it?

In your world, does completely ignoring peoples' behavior mean that it never happened?

That doesn't make any kind of sense as a retort.  Some peeps calling out "right wingers" for being "outraged," I am asking for evidence of this and claiming "just noting it doesn't count as outrage," and you've got nothing.  I win.

You've put in literally Zero effort to look into the reactions from the right, yet here you are saying nobody was bothered and that you win. This sounds like par for the course, I guess, but really. Shamefully lazy.


Didn't someone actually post an excerpt from Freeperville, which included all kinds of crazy stuff about Marxism and Communism and bowing, in one of the previous threads on this?  I feel like it was a big old collection of crazy quotes.
2013-12-12 09:16:55 AM  
1 vote:
This 1972 USA surrender photo never got much coverage...
upload.wikimedia.org
... although it marked the beginning of the end for millions of middle class Americans when Mao pulled the old switcheroo on the Capitalist Roader.
2013-12-12 09:16:38 AM  
1 vote:

fireclown: The Muthaship: I love how the media always tells us of the secret brilliance of every dumb ass move this guy makes.

 Only MSNBC does it with TOTAL reliability.

It's not the worst plan ever.  Cuba is just off our (the US) coast.  Sooner or later someone who isn't a Castro is going to be in charge of it and we can start dealing with it as we would with any other country.  Raul is kind of a place holder, he isn't Fidel, but he's still a Castro so we can't really end this embargo yet.  Shaking his hand isn't THAT big of a deal, but it shows that we will eventually be willing to start talking to them.


Meanwhile, the rest of the world views (and trades with, and visits) Cuba the same way they do any other Carribean island.
2013-12-12 09:13:51 AM  
1 vote:

Smoky Dragon Dish: Peter von Nostrand: Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]


SEE: The Internet.
2013-12-12 09:13:15 AM  
1 vote:
The outrage people are talking about is coming from Cuban-Americans.  Both Democrats and Republicans.... FWIW.  For every Marco Rubio, there is an Albio Sires.

It's not a right wing/left wing issue.
2013-12-12 09:11:53 AM  
1 vote:

GORDON: Wooly Bully: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

Please proceed. Tell us what other things you don't see with your eyes closed.

Bah. I give up.  Outage everywhere.  Rioting in the streets.  Right wingers need to all be put down because they are maniacally insane.


Right-wing outrage is a big industry right now; a lot of people are making serious bank on that sh*t.

But someone on the internet said "I don't see it", so reality must be an illusion, or something.
2013-12-12 09:08:17 AM  
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So conservative imbeciles are "we all."
2013-12-12 09:05:58 AM  
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Oh, noes! He's bowing again!

Put on your fireproof trousers and hoodies, the Conservatives are about to flame!

Then again, he's very tall and the other guy is really short.
2013-12-12 09:04:28 AM  
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The Muthaship: I love how the media always tells us of the secret brilliance of every dumb ass move this guy makes.


 Only MSNBC does it with TOTAL reliability.

It's not the worst plan ever.  Cuba is just off our (the US) coast.  Sooner or later someone who isn't a Castro is going to be in charge of it and we can start dealing with it as we would with any other country.  Raul is kind of a place holder, he isn't Fidel, but he's still a Castro so we can't really end this embargo yet.  Shaking his hand isn't THAT big of a deal, but it shows that we will eventually be willing to start talking to them.
2013-12-12 09:00:09 AM  
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GORDON: Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.

In your world, is there a difference between noticing a thing, and having outrage over it?


In your world, does completely ignoring peoples' behavior mean that it never happened?
2013-12-12 09:00:01 AM  
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Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.


Nice.  2 from an actual Cuban refugee, and one from a talking head.  You win, I guess.
2013-12-12 08:58:42 AM  
1 vote:

The Muthaship: I love how the media always tells us of the secret brilliance of every dumb ass move this guy makes.

This one was pretty blah, but it does show the consistency.


Speaking of consistency...


/but I think Sen. McCain called him "that one."
2013-12-12 08:54:30 AM  
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I don't recall, "taking a big bite," so much as barely noticing and not caring at all since I'm not a foaming lunatic or superficial idiot, but it takes all kinds...
2013-12-12 08:52:03 AM  
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I love how the media always tells us of the secret brilliance of every dumb ass move this guy makes.

This one was pretty blah, but it does show the consistency.
 
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