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(The Daily Beast)   That handshake with Obama and Castro? Yeah, that was a well-planned troll. And we all took a big bite   ( thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2013-12-12 09:22:08 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.


"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain
 
2013-12-12 09:22:19 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Mikey1969: Smoky Dragon Dish: Peter von Nostrand: Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

SEE: The Internet.

ISWYDT, but folks are pointing to Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz and right wing outrage over this.  I can point to Albio Sires (D-NJ8) and show you the same outrage.

The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.


True. However, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz are national figures and prominent leaders in their party, whereas I'm a northeast Democrat and still have no idea who Albio Sires is.
 
2013-12-12 09:23:43 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: The outrage people are talking about is coming from Cuban-Americans.  Both Democrats and Republicans.... FWIW.  For every Marco Rubio, there is an Albio Sires.

It's not a right wing/left wing issue.


I was unaware that Senator John McCain was a Cuban-American.
 
2013-12-12 09:25:06 AM  

EyeballKid: THE GREAT NAME: There seem to be a lot of left-wingers expressing outrage at the failure of right-wingers to be outraged at something that left-wingers say right-wingers are outraged about.

Well, just to be sure, somebody should issue a public apology to Sarah Palin. Isn't it time for her morning apology, any way? She'll get cranky without her morning apology, and then how will she get anything done before her first mid-afternoon apology?


Bu...But.. Sarah Palin!
 
2013-12-12 09:25:10 AM  

Dimensio: Any single demonstration of "outrage" is sufficient to demonstrate his observation not to be representative of reality.


If you believe it, it's true.
 
2013-12-12 09:27:40 AM  

qorkfiend: Smoky Dragon Dish: Mikey1969: Smoky Dragon Dish: Peter von Nostrand: Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

SEE: The Internet.

ISWYDT, but folks are pointing to Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz and right wing outrage over this.  I can point to Albio Sires (D-NJ8) and show you the same outrage.

The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

True. However, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz are national figures and prominent leaders in their party, whereas I'm a northeast Democrat and still have no idea who Albio Sires is.


Fair enough, but my point is that any outrage stems from cultural identity.  Sen. Menendez, arguably a national figure and Cuban-American (and liberal Democrat), has frequently spoken out against both Castros and any US decision that even slightly favors Cuba.
 
2013-12-12 09:28:10 AM  

Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain


That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.
 
2013-12-12 09:29:51 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.


Just what this site needs, more inept lazy trolls.
 
2013-12-12 09:30:52 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Mikey1969: Smoky Dragon Dish: Peter von Nostrand: Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

SEE: The Internet.

ISWYDT, but folks are pointing to Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz and right wing outrage over this.  I can point to Albio Sires (D-NJ8) and show you the same outrage.

The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.


That bolded part was the OP's point. The people on the Right who get pissed each time Obama draws a new breath represent the group that are getting outraged over this, which is a statement that didn't need to be made, since it already confirmed its own existence. Obama DID do something, so that particular group of people IS outraged. It doesn't mean the entire Right.
 
2013-12-12 09:32:27 AM  
Even the tiniest amount of effort can confirm it, though. There are video clips of people from Fox News, etc. There are articles and opinion pieces written. There is a pile of tangible evidence to support it.
Idly claiming that it's not happening because the link posted on Fark at that very second doesn't confirm it is ridiculous, and playing on the idea that people will be too lazy to check and just accept it



You're right! People are freaking out everywhere!!!!

You hear what you want to hear, my friend.
 
2013-12-12 09:32:56 AM  

Wooly Bully: THE GREAT NAME: That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Just what this site needs, more inept lazy trolls.


Hey douchebag, you know there's no such thing as a left-libertarian, right? Can't trust a man who doesn't even know his own political orientation.
 
2013-12-12 09:34:53 AM  

Wooly Bully: -- noted Cuban John McCain


He's Panamanian, you racist.
 
2013-12-12 09:35:03 AM  

doubled99: Even the tiniest amount of effort can confirm it, though. There are video clips of people from Fox News, etc. There are articles and opinion pieces written. There is a pile of tangible evidence to support it.
Idly claiming that it's not happening because the link posted on Fark at that very second doesn't confirm it is ridiculous, and playing on the idea that people will be too lazy to check and just accept it


You're right! People are freaking out everywhere!!!!

You hear what you want to hear, my friend.


Seriously? Really. You're gonna try and turn around your own twisted ignorance on me? No thanks.
 
2013-12-12 09:35:47 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments


Comparison to Hitler is not a counter-argument.
 
2013-12-12 09:36:24 AM  

qorkfiend: ElLoco: I don't really keep up with these things... but why is there still an embargo again? I'm assuming there's some sort of at least half-assed reason?

The reason is that Fidel Castro is a communist.

The real reason is that Florida is still full of anti-Castro Cuban expats, and no serious candidate for President wants alienate Florida and its 29 EV, so when it comes to Cuba the Republicans whip up their base and the Democrats remain silent.


I'd agree with the second half completely and the first half only sorta.  The reasoning I've heard in talking to US Treasury Agents (I was interviewed by two for *allegedly* taking a group of about 20 high school students to Cuba in 2005) is because the Cuban government seized all kinds of corporate assets after the Cuban Revolution and only paid the corporations a small fraction of what they were worth.  Until the government apologizes and either gives the corporations their property back and/or pays them in full for the lost value, the embargo will remain in place.  If I remember correctly, the Cuban Government paid the corporations the value that the corp.s claimed on their Cuban taxes, so it was a pretty hilarious troll by Castro.
 
2013-12-12 09:36:37 AM  

Dimensio: Smoky Dragon Dish: The outrage people are talking about is coming from Cuban-Americans.  Both Democrats and Republicans.... FWIW.  For every Marco Rubio, there is an Albio Sires.

It's not a right wing/left wing issue.

I was unaware that Senator John McCain was a Cuban-American.


And that is apropos why?  He went full Godwin out of the gate when asked a question.  This is the guy who gave us Sarah Palin.  He's batshiat crazy.
 
2013-12-12 09:37:04 AM  

Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain


-- Rand Paul
 
2013-12-12 09:37:24 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.


Reductio ad Hitlerum not a "perceptive and pertinent observation".
 
2013-12-12 09:37:41 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.


Yeah, tell us all about "libs" and what "libs" do.
Do you ever have anything of any actual substance to contribute to any discussion? Do you have any views of your own at all?
As far as I can see, you stand for nothing beyond the imaginary conversations you have with the "libs" who live inside your head.
Try to contribute something constructive to a discussion, just once - just to show us that you can.
If you can, that is.
 
2013-12-12 09:37:55 AM  
It is definitely a Cuban/Cuban-American outrage.  Being in an area with much Cuban culture and seeing/hearing reactions to this was consistent and not based on party affiliation.  Trying to make it left v right detracts from what is at the heart of the matter.
 
2013-12-12 09:38:51 AM  
we all took a big bite

No.
 
2013-12-12 09:39:00 AM  
Birds of a feather......
 
2013-12-12 09:39:40 AM  

Dimensio: THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.

Reductio ad Hitlerum not a "perceptive and pertinent observation".


What exactly is it about Hitler and the Nazis that make them - and only them - inadmissible for the purposes of learning from history?
 
2013-12-12 09:39:50 AM  

Mikey1969: Smoky Dragon Dish: Mikey1969: Smoky Dragon Dish: Peter von Nostrand: Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

SEE: The Internet.

ISWYDT, but folks are pointing to Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz and right wing outrage over this.  I can point to Albio Sires (D-NJ8) and show you the same outrage.

The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

That bolded part was the OP's point. The people on the Right who get pissed each time Obama draws a new breath represent the group that are getting outraged over this, which is a statement that didn't need to be made, since it already confirmed its own existence. Obama DID do something, so that particular group of people IS outraged. It doesn't mean the entire Right.


FIFY...  OP said the *only* ones upset about this are the crazies obsessed with hating Obama.

My point is that there are a set of people who support Obama that are outrage over this.
 
2013-12-12 09:39:55 AM  

Bruce Campbell: It is definitely a Cuban/Cuban-American outrage.  Being in an area with much Cuban culture and seeing/hearing reactions to this was consistent and not based on party affiliation.  Trying to make it left v right detracts from what is at the heart of the matter.


What does ignoring the reactions of right-wing non-Cubans do?
 
2013-12-12 09:41:59 AM  

jso2897: THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.

Yeah, tell us all about "libs" and what "libs" do.
Do you ever have anything of any actual substance to contribute to any discussion? Do you have any views of your own at all?
As far as I can see, you stand for nothing beyond the imaginary conversations you have with the "libs" who live inside your head.
Try to contribute something constructive to a discussion, just once - just to show us that you can.
If you can, that is.


You sound pubescent. Nevertheless I will indulge you:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/13/confirmed-conservatives-unders ta nd-liberal-positions-better-than-liberals-understand-conservative-posi tions/
 
2013-12-12 09:42:45 AM  

Bruce Campbell: It is definitely a Cuban/Cuban-American outrage.  Being in an area with much Cuban culture and seeing/hearing reactions to this was consistent and not based on party affiliation.  Trying to make it left v right detracts from what is at the heart of the matter.


Exactly.
 
2013-12-12 09:44:19 AM  
No one has ever seen this before. I just know it!

www2.gwu.edu
 
2013-12-12 09:44:33 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Mikey1969: Smoky Dragon Dish: Mikey1969: Smoky Dragon Dish: Peter von Nostrand: Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

SEE: The Internet.

ISWYDT, but folks are pointing to Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz and right wing outrage over this.  I can point to Albio Sires (D-NJ8) and show you the same outrage.

The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

That bolded part was the OP's point. The people on the Right who get pissed each time Obama draws a new breath represent the group that are getting outraged over this, which is a statement that didn't need to be made, since it already confirmed its own existence. Obama DID do something, so that particular group of people IS outraged. It doesn't mean the entire Right.

FIFY...  OP said the *only* ones upset about this are the crazies obsessed with hating Obama.

My point is that there are a set of people who support Obama that are outrage over this.


I am dissapoint. Who is outraged? Do you have a time machine to poll Americans from the 60's on this issue?
 
2013-12-12 09:44:40 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: You sound pubescent. Nevertheless I will indulge you:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/13/confirmed-conservatives-unders ta nd-liberal-positions-better-than-liberals-understand-conservative-posi tions/


Calls a name. Cites HotAir. Lulz had.
 
2013-12-12 09:45:22 AM  
Everyone above this post has been trolled.

Everyone below this post has been trolled and wants more.

As for me, I need a root beer to wash down my popcorn.

//subby
 
2013-12-12 09:45:26 AM  

Your Hind Brain: No one has ever seen this before. I just know it!

[www2.gwu.edu image 300x200]


Uh-oh!!! now all the libs are outraged too!!1
 
2013-12-12 09:47:13 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: jso2897: THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.

Yeah, tell us all about "libs" and what "libs" do.
Do you ever have anything of any actual substance to contribute to any discussion? Do you have any views of your own at all?
As far as I can see, you stand for nothing beyond the imaginary conversations you have with the "libs" who live inside your head.
Try to contribute something constructive to a discussion, just once - just to show us that you can.
If you can, that is.

You sound pubescent. Nevertheless I will indulge you:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/13/confirmed-conservatives-unders ta nd-liberal-positions-better-than-liberals-understand-conservative-posi tions/


No. That's just another right wing blog about "what liberals think".
I'm asking you what YOU think - if indeed, you think anything at all - and you don't seem to be coming up with any answers.
(Save yourself the keystrokes of name-calling, like "pubescent" - I just ignore that stuff)
It's starting to look like you don't really have any coherent, expressable views at all.
DO you?
 
2013-12-12 09:47:34 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Dimensio: THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.

Reductio ad Hitlerum not a "perceptive and pertinent observation".

What exactly is it about Hitler and the Nazis that make them - and only them - inadmissible for the purposes of learning from history?


Your question implies a position that I have not stated.
 
2013-12-12 09:49:13 AM  

LasersHurt: Bruce Campbell: It is definitely a Cuban/Cuban-American outrage.  Being in an area with much Cuban culture and seeing/hearing reactions to this was consistent and not based on party affiliation.  Trying to make it left v right detracts from what is at the heart of the matter.

What does ignoring the reactions of right-wing non-Cubans do?


The issue that started this was the very Boobies in this thread, that the ONLY people expressing outrage over this are the crazy right wingers who hate everything Obama does or doesn't do.  Of course they're outraged, since Obama exists and he did or did not do something.  They would have found a way to be outraged if he DIDN'T shake Raul's hand.

But, there is genuine outrage from the Cuban-American community, which I cannot identify with, but I recognize as existing.  This outrage crosses political boundaries with regard to right/left ideologies.

That's my point.
 
2013-12-12 09:51:33 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Mikey1969: Smoky Dragon Dish: Mikey1969: Smoky Dragon Dish: Peter von Nostrand: Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

SEE: The Internet.

ISWYDT, but folks are pointing to Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz and right wing outrage over this.  I can point to Albio Sires (D-NJ8) and show you the same outrage.

The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

That bolded part was the OP's point. The people on the Right who get pissed each time Obama draws a new breath represent the group that are getting outraged over this, which is a statement that didn't need to be made, since it already confirmed its own existence. Obama DID do something, so that particular group of people IS outraged. It doesn't mean the entire Right.

FIFY...  OP said the *only* ones upset about this are the crazies obsessed with hating Obama.

My point is that there are a set of people who support Obama that are outrage over this.


Didn't notice the "only ones" part. I was really talking about the ones who can't handle anything Obama does... But yeah, there's lefties out there who are butthurt, too.
 
2013-12-12 09:53:13 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: LasersHurt: Bruce Campbell: It is definitely a Cuban/Cuban-American outrage.  Being in an area with much Cuban culture and seeing/hearing reactions to this was consistent and not based on party affiliation.  Trying to make it left v right detracts from what is at the heart of the matter.

What does ignoring the reactions of right-wing non-Cubans do?

The issue that started this was the very Boobies in this thread, that the ONLY people expressing outrage over this are the crazy right wingers who hate everything Obama does or doesn't do.  Of course they're outraged, since Obama exists and he did or did not do something.  They would have found a way to be outraged if he DIDN'T shake Raul's hand.

But, there is genuine outrage from the Cuban-American community, which I cannot identify with, but I recognize as existing.  This outrage crosses political boundaries with regard to right/left ideologies.

That's my point.


But not age lines. Young Cubanos don't give a flying f**k about Castro, or the good old days in Havana.
It's time. There is just no gain to be had from putting it off any longer.
 
2013-12-12 09:54:05 AM  

ElLoco: I don't really keep up with these things... but why is there still an embargo again? I'm assuming there's some sort of at least half-assed reason?


Power struggles; what else?
 
2013-12-12 09:54:47 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: LasersHurt: Bruce Campbell: It is definitely a Cuban/Cuban-American outrage.  Being in an area with much Cuban culture and seeing/hearing reactions to this was consistent and not based on party affiliation.  Trying to make it left v right detracts from what is at the heart of the matter.

What does ignoring the reactions of right-wing non-Cubans do?

The issue that started this was the very Boobies in this thread, that the ONLY people expressing outrage over this are the crazy right wingers who hate everything Obama does or doesn't do.  Of course they're outraged, since Obama exists and he did or did not do something.  They would have found a way to be outraged if he DIDN'T shake Raul's hand.

But, there is genuine outrage from the Cuban-American community, which I cannot identify with, but I recognize as existing.  This outrage crosses political boundaries with regard to right/left ideologies.

That's my point.


Fair enough. I was mostly responding to the ongoing game of "Let's Pretend" going on on Fark lately. That's a separate and legitimate idea.
 
2013-12-12 09:54:51 AM  

jso2897: THE GREAT NAME: jso2897: THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.

Yeah, tell us all about "libs" and what "libs" do.
Do you ever have anything of any actual substance to contribute to any discussion? Do you have any views of your own at all?
As far as I can see, you stand for nothing beyond the imaginary conversations you have with the "libs" who live inside your head.
Try to contribute something constructive to a discussion, just once - just to show us that you can.
If you can, that is.

You sound pubescent. Nevertheless I will indulge you:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/13/confirmed-conservatives-unders ta nd-liberal-positions-better-than-liberals-understand-conservative-posi tions/

No. That's just another right wing blog about "what liberals think".
I'm asking you what YOU think - if indeed, you think anything at all - and you don't seem to be coming up with any answers.
(Save yourself the keystrokes of name-calling, like "pubescent" - I just ignore that stuff)
It's starting to look like you don't really have any coherent, expressable views at all.
DO you?


Wow you sound pissed. Settle down, it's only the internet.
 
2013-12-12 09:55:31 AM  

LasersHurt: What does ignoring the reactions of right-wing non-Cubans do?


It does nothing, which is exactly what ignoring is supposed to do.
 
2013-12-12 09:56:58 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: That's my point.


You were right to point out that some people angry about the handshake are non-right-wing Cubans.

But you were wrong when you said "the only people really outraged over this are Cubans".

Now, maybe John McCain wasn't "really" outraged and it was just a bullsh*t pose, but plenty of non-Cuban right-wing derpers out there agreed wholeheartedly with his sentiment whether it was sincere or not.
 
2013-12-12 09:57:27 AM  

Dimensio: THE GREAT NAME: Dimensio: THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.

Reductio ad Hitlerum not a "perceptive and pertinent observation".

What exactly is it about Hitler and the Nazis that make them - and only them - inadmissible for the purposes of learning from history?

Your question implies a position that I have not stated.


You have incorrectly stated that your earlier statement does not infer a position, being the one which I questioned, when in fact it does.
 
2013-12-12 09:58:09 AM  

Dimensio: Smoky Dragon Dish: The outrage people are talking about is coming from Cuban-Americans.  Both Democrats and Republicans.... FWIW.  For every Marco Rubio, there is an Albio Sires.

It's not a right wing/left wing issue.

I was unaware that Senator John McCain was a Cuban-American.


Panamanian by birth.
/But close enough.
 
2013-12-12 09:58:48 AM  

jso2897: Smoky Dragon Dish: LasersHurt: Bruce Campbell: It is definitely a Cuban/Cuban-American outrage.  Being in an area with much Cuban culture and seeing/hearing reactions to this was consistent and not based on party affiliation.  Trying to make it left v right detracts from what is at the heart of the matter.

What does ignoring the reactions of right-wing non-Cubans do?

The issue that started this was the very Boobies in this thread, that the ONLY people expressing outrage over this are the crazy right wingers who hate everything Obama does or doesn't do.  Of course they're outraged, since Obama exists and he did or did not do something.  They would have found a way to be outraged if he DIDN'T shake Raul's hand.

But, there is genuine outrage from the Cuban-American community, which I cannot identify with, but I recognize as existing.  This outrage crosses political boundaries with regard to right/left ideologies.

That's my point.

But not age lines. Young Cubanos don't give a flying f**k about Castro, or the good old days in Havana.
It's time. There is just no gain to be had from putting it off any longer.


I tend to agree with that.  Don't mistake what I'm saying for a political ideology. Could you image what effect 'Jersey Shore: La Habana', and McDonalds, and Taco Bell, and rich Americans flooding to Cuban resorts, classic car hunters buying all those automobiles...  we would crush their culture into oblivion.
 
2013-12-12 09:59:46 AM  

Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: That's my point.

You were right to point out that some people angry about the handshake are non-right-wing Cubans.

But you were wrong when you said "the only people really outraged over this are Cubans".

Now, maybe John McCain wasn't "really" outraged and it was just a bullsh*t pose, but plenty of non-Cuban right-wing derpers out there agreed wholeheartedly with his sentiment whether it was sincere or not.


And yet you are unable to name a single one of them. Typical lib. All "big concept", nothing rooted in reality. Wishful thinking mixed with ignorance mixed with hubris.
 
2013-12-12 10:00:00 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: THE GREAT NAME: That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Just what this site needs, more inept lazy trolls.

Hey douchebag, you know there's no such thing as a left-libertarian, right? Can't trust a man who doesn't even know his own political orientation.


Indeed.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism
 
2013-12-12 10:00:20 AM  
THE GREAT NAME: [oeuvre]

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT A LIBERAL BELIEVES, ASK A CONSERVATIVE.

 
2013-12-12 10:01:36 AM  

brantgoose: Oh, noes! He's bowing again!

Put on your fireproof trousers and hoodies, the Conservatives are about to flame!

Then again, he's very tall and the other guy is really short.


Yeah, I saw someone post something to that effect on facebook. I was trying to figure out what the hell he was talking about without clicking on the link. The links he posts are usually from foam at the mouth right wing blogs. Luckily he's the only fb friend I have like that. I keep him on my facebook for the lulz, and morbid curiosity of how the fanatic right wing mind works. I enjoy the intellectual exercise of trying to decode to reality whatever he's talking about.
Oh, and did I say he's a professor of Political Science? Nope. I don't understand how he has a job.
 
2013-12-12 10:01:54 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: jso2897: THE GREAT NAME: jso2897: THE GREAT NAME: Wooly Bully: Smoky Dragon Dish: The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler"

-- noted Cuban John McCain

That's not outrage, that's a perceptive and pertinent observation.

Libs confuse outrage and legitimate counter-argments because they both feel the same to the lib; and for libs, it's all about how they feel during the debate, never about finding the reality.

Yeah, tell us all about "libs" and what "libs" do.
Do you ever have anything of any actual substance to contribute to any discussion? Do you have any views of your own at all?
As far as I can see, you stand for nothing beyond the imaginary conversations you have with the "libs" who live inside your head.
Try to contribute something constructive to a discussion, just once - just to show us that you can.
If you can, that is.

You sound pubescent. Nevertheless I will indulge you:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/13/confirmed-conservatives-unders ta nd-liberal-positions-better-than-liberals-understand-conservative-posi tions/

No. That's just another right wing blog about "what liberals think".
I'm asking you what YOU think - if indeed, you think anything at all - and you don't seem to be coming up with any answers.
(Save yourself the keystrokes of name-calling, like "pubescent" - I just ignore that stuff)
It's starting to look like you don't really have any coherent, expressable views at all.
DO you?

Wow you sound pissed. Settle down, it's only the internet.


No, it's cool - I was just curious. Not surprised.
 
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