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(The Daily Beast)   That handshake with Obama and Castro? Yeah, that was a well-planned troll. And we all took a big bite   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 352
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2013-12-12 08:29:27 AM  
Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do
 
2013-12-12 08:50:38 AM  
I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage
 
2013-12-12 08:52:03 AM  
I love how the media always tells us of the secret brilliance of every dumb ass move this guy makes.

This one was pretty blah, but it does show the consistency.
 
2013-12-12 08:53:18 AM  
You....you took a bit bite. The majority of us don't give a shiat who a grown man shakes hands with
 
2013-12-12 08:53:29 AM  
I don't really keep up with these things... but why is there still an embargo again? I'm assuming there's some sort of at least half-assed reason?
 
2013-12-12 08:54:07 AM  

GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage


You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.
 
2013-12-12 08:54:30 AM  
I don't recall, "taking a big bite," so much as barely noticing and not caring at all since I'm not a foaming lunatic or superficial idiot, but it takes all kinds...
 
2013-12-12 08:55:33 AM  
What is with this meme in the last couple of days where people pretend that nobody at all is reacting negatively to things? Every thread is all "Psh nobody on the right is overreacting, now or ever. Duh."
 
2013-12-12 08:55:51 AM  
Texas already elected a Castro to the US House. Probably not Cuban.
 
2013-12-12 08:56:33 AM  
Nothing will ever change until Fidel is dead. And maybe not until Raul is out of power.
 
2013-12-12 08:57:36 AM  
Troll scholl. Normalizing relations between Cuba and the US is long overdue and any progress there is laudable.

Progress has mostly been held back by a cynical GOP hoping  to keep Cuban Americans voting for them for another generation (and keeping Florida in play for them) by making being dicks to Cuba a party platform.
 
2013-12-12 08:58:42 AM  

The Muthaship: I love how the media always tells us of the secret brilliance of every dumb ass move this guy makes.

This one was pretty blah, but it does show the consistency.


Speaking of consistency...


/but I think Sen. McCain called him "that one."
 
2013-12-12 08:59:06 AM  
But, but, but what if people were being paid $20/hr to be outraged?
 
2013-12-12 08:59:11 AM  

Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.


In your world, is there a difference between noticing a thing, and having outrage over it?
 
2013-12-12 09:00:01 AM  

Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.


Nice.  2 from an actual Cuban refugee, and one from a talking head.  You win, I guess.
 
2013-12-12 09:00:09 AM  

GORDON: Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.

In your world, is there a difference between noticing a thing, and having outrage over it?


In your world, does completely ignoring peoples' behavior mean that it never happened?
 
2013-12-12 09:00:50 AM  

LasersHurt: What is with this meme in the last couple of days where people pretend that nobody at all is reacting negatively to things? Every thread is all "Psh nobody on the right is overreacting, now or ever. Duh."


What is it with the last 5 years everyone talking about OUTRAGE all the time?  I'm just not seeing it.  Unless that word doesn't mean what I think it means.
 
2013-12-12 09:01:28 AM  

Gdalescrboz: You....you took a bit bite. The majority of us don't give a shiat who a grown man shakes hands with


www.thechicagodope.com

Or kisses.
 
2013-12-12 09:01:51 AM  
Why is the media so thrilled by this?

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: Castro! He's shaking hands with Raul Castro.
CHRIS CUOMO: As Christiane points out, President Obama just shook hands with Raul Castro from Cuba.  What does that say as a gesture?
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: It says that this a moment of reconciliation for Mandela. And President Obama is doing the diplomatic thing. He's not just going to walk by and ignore these people who are there.  And they're all in a line.  He's kissing now the U.N. Secretary General, President Zuma.
ROBYN CURNOW: This is a man, and it is so true, who brought people together in life and he continues to bring people together in death.


The media is having orgasms over Obama shaking hands with Castro.  Why is that?  What does that say about them?  Does that seem a bit odd to you?
I mean, there are Americans in prison in Cuba.  Obama's got no business shaking the guy's hand.
 
2013-12-12 09:01:55 AM  

GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.


Please proceed. Tell us what other things you don't see with your eyes closed.
 
2013-12-12 09:02:17 AM  

LasersHurt: GORDON: Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.

In your world, is there a difference between noticing a thing, and having outrage over it?

In your world, does completely ignoring peoples' behavior mean that it never happened?


That doesn't make any kind of sense as a retort.  Some peeps calling out "right wingers" for being "outraged," I am asking for evidence of this and claiming "just noting it doesn't count as outrage," and you've got nothing.  I win.
 
2013-12-12 09:02:48 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-12-12 09:03:29 AM  

Wooly Bully: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

Please proceed. Tell us what other things you don't see with your eyes closed.


Bah. I give up.  Outage everywhere.  Rioting in the streets.  Right wingers need to all be put down because they are maniacally insane.
 
2013-12-12 09:04:17 AM  

GORDON: LasersHurt: GORDON: Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.

In your world, is there a difference between noticing a thing, and having outrage over it?

In your world, does completely ignoring peoples' behavior mean that it never happened?

That doesn't make any kind of sense as a retort.  Some peeps calling out "right wingers" for being "outraged," I am asking for evidence of this and claiming "just noting it doesn't count as outrage," and you've got nothing.  I win.


You've put in literally Zero effort to look into the reactions from the right, yet here you are saying nobody was bothered and that you win. This sounds like par for the course, I guess, but really. Shamefully lazy.
 
2013-12-12 09:04:28 AM  

The Muthaship: I love how the media always tells us of the secret brilliance of every dumb ass move this guy makes.


 Only MSNBC does it with TOTAL reliability.

It's not the worst plan ever.  Cuba is just off our (the US) coast.  Sooner or later someone who isn't a Castro is going to be in charge of it and we can start dealing with it as we would with any other country.  Raul is kind of a place holder, he isn't Fidel, but he's still a Castro so we can't really end this embargo yet.  Shaking his hand isn't THAT big of a deal, but it shows that we will eventually be willing to start talking to them.
 
2013-12-12 09:04:34 AM  
We need to get past this cold war induced hysteria with Cuba and move on. So they probably have nukes left over from their association with the former Soviet Union...

Continuing this embargo against a neighbor 90 miles from Florida is just causing unnecessary suffering for their people (and the potential loss of additional economic markets we could take advantage of because of the proximity and lower shipping costs for US products than what we pay to ship to Europe or Asia).

If we really want their society to crumble? Lift the embargo and send representatives of the major US fast food chains to Cuba as ambassadors.

On a more serious note? The Chinese are communists too.... yet they have become preferred trading partners with the US because of their manufacturing base and willingness to pollute their own country to manufacture crap we are willing to buy.

So Fidel Castro probably had JFK assassinated.... The guy is sitting in a wheelchair drooling on himself .... if he's still alive. That was 50 years ago.... Time to move on.

His brother Raul seems to be a more reasonable and easier to deal with. Time to begin accepting shipments of Cuban cigars again. If we get Cuban cigars and they get McDonalds? .... We won the cold war.
 
2013-12-12 09:05:51 AM  

LasersHurt: What is with this meme in the last couple of days where people pretend that nobody at all is reacting negatively to things? Every thread is all "Psh nobody on the right is overreacting, now or ever. Duh."


TINSTAAOC?  (There Is No Such Thing As An Outraged Conservative?)
 
2013-12-12 09:05:58 AM  
Oh, noes! He's bowing again!

Put on your fireproof trousers and hoodies, the Conservatives are about to flame!

Then again, he's very tall and the other guy is really short.
 
2013-12-12 09:08:17 AM  
So conservative imbeciles are "we all."
 
2013-12-12 09:08:26 AM  
We nothing. I saw a handshake. Nobody whos opinion matters cares.
 
2013-12-12 09:09:30 AM  
What is with this meme in the last couple of days where people pretend that nobody at all is reacting negatively to things? Every thread is all "Psh nobody on the right is overreacting, now or ever. Duh."


It fits perfectly with the plethora of stories claiming "people are outraged and offended" over something then have no citation other than some random Twitter comments somewhere.
 
2013-12-12 09:10:30 AM  
Yes, but is their wedding announcement also a troll?
 
2013-12-12 09:11:29 AM  

doubled99: What is with this meme in the last couple of days where people pretend that nobody at all is reacting negatively to things? Every thread is all "Psh nobody on the right is overreacting, now or ever. Duh."


It fits perfectly with the plethora of stories claiming "people are outraged and offended" over something then have no citation other than some random Twitter comments somewhere.


Even the tiniest amount of effort can confirm it, though. There are video clips of people from Fox News, etc. There are articles and opinion pieces written. There is a pile of tangible evidence to support it.

Idly claiming that it's not happening because the link posted on Fark at that very second doesn't confirm it is ridiculous, and playing on the idea that people will be too lazy to check and just accept it.
 
2013-12-12 09:11:53 AM  

GORDON: Wooly Bully: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

Please proceed. Tell us what other things you don't see with your eyes closed.

Bah. I give up.  Outage everywhere.  Rioting in the streets.  Right wingers need to all be put down because they are maniacally insane.


Right-wing outrage is a big industry right now; a lot of people are making serious bank on that sh*t.

But someone on the internet said "I don't see it", so reality must be an illusion, or something.
 
2013-12-12 09:12:39 AM  
But since President Obama came to office in 2009, Cuban leader Raul Castro has signaled that he is interested in a new relationship, according to current and former U.S. officials.

Yeah, it has NOTHING to do with the fact thatFidel stepped aside at the same time, and Raul came into play, willing to talk more with the US, did it? Look, this isn't going to happen overnight, but it also hasn't been solely Obama to this point, Raul Castro has played a part as well...
 
2013-12-12 09:13:15 AM  
The outrage people are talking about is coming from Cuban-Americans.  Both Democrats and Republicans.... FWIW.  For every Marco Rubio, there is an Albio Sires.

It's not a right wing/left wing issue.
 
2013-12-12 09:13:51 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Peter von Nostrand: Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]


SEE: The Internet.
 
2013-12-12 09:16:01 AM  
There seem to be a lot of left-wingers expressing outrage at the failure of right-wingers to be outraged at something that left-wingers say right-wingers are outraged about.
 
2013-12-12 09:16:07 AM  

The Muthaship: I love how the media always tells us of the secret brilliance of every dumb ass move this guy makes.


So your position is that having diplomatic discussions with a country physically close to our own is a dumbass move?

Sounds like your opinion of Obama is sort of like this;
static.someecards.com
 
2013-12-12 09:16:14 AM  

ElLoco: I don't really keep up with these things... but why is there still an embargo again? I'm assuming there's some sort of at least half-assed reason?


The reason is that Fidel Castro is a communist.

The real reason is that Florida is still full of anti-Castro Cuban expats, and no serious candidate for President wants alienate Florida and its 29 EV, so when it comes to Cuba the Republicans whip up their base and the Democrats remain silent.
 
2013-12-12 09:16:32 AM  

ElLoco: I don't really keep up with these things... but why is there still an embargo again? I'm assuming there's some sort of at least half-assed reason?


So some people can say to the Cuban American vote in Florida, look we are tough on Castro and the regime will fall anytime about now. That in turn apparently convinces the Cuban Americans to vote for whoever makes the claim.
 
2013-12-12 09:16:36 AM  

GORDON: LasersHurt: GORDON: Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.

In your world, is there a difference between noticing a thing, and having outrage over it?

In your world, does completely ignoring peoples' behavior mean that it never happened?

That doesn't make any kind of sense as a retort.  Some peeps calling out "right wingers" for being "outraged," I am asking for evidence of this and claiming "just noting it doesn't count as outrage," and you've got nothing.  I win.


Would you prefer pink or purple for your ribbon?
 
2013-12-12 09:16:38 AM  

fireclown: The Muthaship: I love how the media always tells us of the secret brilliance of every dumb ass move this guy makes.

 Only MSNBC does it with TOTAL reliability.

It's not the worst plan ever.  Cuba is just off our (the US) coast.  Sooner or later someone who isn't a Castro is going to be in charge of it and we can start dealing with it as we would with any other country.  Raul is kind of a place holder, he isn't Fidel, but he's still a Castro so we can't really end this embargo yet.  Shaking his hand isn't THAT big of a deal, but it shows that we will eventually be willing to start talking to them.


Meanwhile, the rest of the world views (and trades with, and visits) Cuba the same way they do any other Carribean island.
 
2013-12-12 09:16:55 AM  
This 1972 USA surrender photo never got much coverage...
upload.wikimedia.org
... although it marked the beginning of the end for millions of middle class Americans when Mao pulled the old switcheroo on the Capitalist Roader.
 
2013-12-12 09:18:17 AM  

Mikey1969: Smoky Dragon Dish: Peter von Nostrand: Not sure how it was troll from TFA but the only ones pants wetting over the hand shake are right wingers that are outraged over everything Obama does or doesn't do

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

SEE: The Internet.


ISWYDT, but folks are pointing to Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz and right wing outrage over this.  I can point to Albio Sires (D-NJ8) and show you the same outrage.

The only people really outraged over this are Cubans.
 
2013-12-12 09:18:32 AM  

SpectroBoy: Sounds like your opinion of Obama is sort of like this;


Funny that you got that from my opinion of the media, but ok.
 
2013-12-12 09:18:56 AM  

LasersHurt: GORDON: LasersHurt: GORDON: Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.

In your world, is there a difference between noticing a thing, and having outrage over it?

In your world, does completely ignoring peoples' behavior mean that it never happened?

That doesn't make any kind of sense as a retort.  Some peeps calling out "right wingers" for being "outraged," I am asking for evidence of this and claiming "just noting it doesn't count as outrage," and you've got nothing.  I win.

You've put in literally Zero effort to look into the reactions from the right, yet here you are saying nobody was bothered and that you win. This sounds like par for the course, I guess, but really. Shamefully lazy.


Didn't someone actually post an excerpt from Freeperville, which included all kinds of crazy stuff about Marxism and Communism and bowing, in one of the previous threads on this?  I feel like it was a big old collection of crazy quotes.
 
2013-12-12 09:20:08 AM  

The Muthaship: Dimensio: GORDON: I've never seen anyone actually outraged over it, but I have seen a lot of people talking about the right wing's outrage.

/outrage

You are correct. For all of the claims of outrage, absolutely no one has actually expressed any outrage.

Nice.  2 from an actual Cuban refugee, and one from a talking head.  You win, I guess.


GORDON claimed not to have observed any outrage. Any single demonstration of "outrage" is sufficient to demonstrate his observation not to be representative of reality.
 
2013-12-12 09:20:20 AM  

clkeagle: Meanwhile, the rest of the world views (and trades with, and visits) Cuba the same way they do any other Carribean island.


Yup.  I agree that embargo has long outlived its usefulness by decades.  But the Castro regime (including Raul) have to be gone for the embargo to end.  It's dumb, but those seem to be the rules.  If we can lay a little groundwork in the meantime, so be it.
 
2013-12-12 09:21:56 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: There seem to be a lot of left-wingers expressing outrage at the failure of right-wingers to be outraged at something that left-wingers say right-wingers are outraged about.


Well, just to be sure, somebody should issue a public apology to Sarah Palin. Isn't it time for her morning apology, any way? She'll get cranky without her morning apology, and then how will she get anything done before her first mid-afternoon apology?
 
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