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(Forbes)   In an effort to suck more, YouTube is pulling down Let's Play videos   (forbes.com) divider line 205
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2013-12-12 10:53:38 AM

snake_beater: Nah, I think this is just someone's bad idea of a joke.


Yeah, I think so too. Google should just stick to April Fool's.
 
2013-12-12 10:53:53 AM

meanmutton: tallen702:
Wonder if it's a last-ditch effort to cash in on copyright/patent trolling before that kind of thing gets shut down in the near future.

From the letter above, this is my guess: Someone is going around filing these copyright notices on Youtube to try to scam some of the revenue that Let's Play, etc., are pulling in.


Like those porn trolls that look for torrent downloads and offer like $5k so they don't publish what you were downloading.
 
2013-12-12 10:54:08 AM

scottydoesntknow: Glitchwerks: Kyosuke: scottydoesntknow: Here's a letter from Deep Silver about it:

I don't know what they make, but that letter alone makes me want to throw a bunch of money at them.

Yeah, don't do that.  Their Dead Island games on PC are some of the buggiest games ever.

Saints Row is pretty fun if you don't make any comparisons to GTA whatsoever.

Haven't played the Metro series, but I've heard they're pretty good.


In all fairness, the Metro series was pretty much built off-premise by 4A games and THQ. Deep silver just picked it up at the fire-sale. Mind you, they did have every opportunity to really fark around with "Last Light" before its release, but they refrained from doing so and essentially published 4A's main body of work without alteration.

And yes, the Metro series is very good. It's proof that you don't need to be open-world "sandbox" oriented to still tell a compelling and connected story. Metro: 2033 is the better of the two games in the series, but last-light is still very good and very immersive, which is what you want a story to be. Especially if it's a chilling/frightening one. There  are plenty of nice little hidden areas Last Light despite it being linear. I just about shiat a brick when I realized I'd walked into Lenin's tomb without realizing it. Haven't been able to find it again in other playthroughs. And yes, that's how good the games are. You want to play them more than once to find all the little things you missed the first time (or couple of times) through.

Also, their live-action trailers/films were legitimately awesome for Last Light.
 
2013-12-12 10:57:34 AM

Glitchwerks: However, the game just doesn't farking run on my PC. At all. I had to go to the 360 to play it.

Don't sell games that don't work is my number one motto, and if you can't do that, at least release the code so the PC community can fix it for you.


I have installed Dead Island on multiple computers.  No issue running it, even on an older machine with an old radeon x1650 card.

fix your pc, don't blame the game.
 
2013-12-12 11:06:51 AM

frepnog: Glitchwerks: However, the game just doesn't farking run on my PC. At all. I had to go to the 360 to play it.

Don't sell games that don't work is my number one motto, and if you can't do that, at least release the code so the PC community can fix it for you.

I have installed Dead Island on multiple computers.  No issue running it, even on an older machine with an old radeon x1650 card.

fix your pc, don't blame the game.


You are the exception to the rule.  I'm glad you liked it, but you're in the minority.  Almost everyone else was disappointed with the game.  There are plenty of examples of people whose computers are just fine where Dead Island didn't work for shiat.  I don't need to "fix my PC".  Dead Island is one of two games out of 350 that doesn't work for beans with my 660ti.  If 348 games work, and 2 don't, the problem is not "my PC".
 
2013-12-12 11:07:03 AM
fta: "When you rely on one site alone for income, any policy change can instantly destroy you."

This is why I have always been and always will be mistrustful of the cloud.
 
2013-12-12 11:07:52 AM

frepnog: I have installed Dead Island on multiple computers.  No issue running it, even on an older machine with an old radeon x1650 card.

fix your pc, don't blame the game.


My PC is well over the minimum specs, and I'm not the only one with this problem as the Steam community forum has more than a few people who are unable to play the game at all, and none of the fixes work.
 
2013-12-12 11:09:38 AM
Could be that now that Gooooogle is a huge corporation, there is somewhat less control over what certain individuals choose to do. Could be that some some New Broom manager is making a name for himself or some Budding Genius has invented an algorithm that automates sticking it to people in the name of some heretofore wisely unenforced legal technicality. Then again, it could be that Goooooogle isn't being paid enough to hand out this free publicity to game publishers.
 
2013-12-12 11:15:05 AM
Why the hell would anyone buy Dead Island in the first place? It looked terrible!

Were you actually fooled by that teaser trailer?
 
2013-12-12 11:16:50 AM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: If 348 games work, and 2 don't, the problem is not "my PC".


not really.  i am currently fighting with Lego MSH.  That game crashes repeatedly on my PC.  It is one hundred percent my PC causing the issue, but I also have zero issues running any other game in my Steam account.  Right now, I can not get the original release of Doom 3 to run on my main machine.  It used to run.  My other games run.  Doom 3 refuses.  It is one hundred percent MY machine causing the issue, not the game.

so sorry, but just because your PC can run every other game on the market doesn't mean that the issue with the ONE game that you can't seem to get running isn't one hundred percent caused by your PC.
 
2013-12-12 11:18:34 AM

ZeroCorpse: Why the hell would anyone buy Dead Island in the first place? It looked terrible


the combat is fun, the upgrade system and crafting system is fun, the exploration of the island is fun, the graphics are pretty great, the game can be genuinely scary and pulse pounding.

it isn't perfect, but it is the best zombie survival game out there, by a LARGE margin.
 
2013-12-12 11:22:29 AM
Oh look. The "thank everything that's cute and cuddly, Google is finally killing BooHooTube" thread has transformed into 101 reasons Dead Island doesn't suck.

Look, it's a great game. On my first play-through I got knocked off a bridge about 20% of the way through the game and ended up reloading at some random point about 80% of the way through the game. The second play-through saw me lose 5 hours of play after building something which caused a CTD which left me with a corrupt save.

The 3rd play-through has yet to be finished because... endlessly repetitive...
 
2013-12-12 11:25:10 AM
Nope, mine are all still up. Then again, I acknowledged that I was using third party content as soon as Youtube hit me with their copyright stuff.

/and most of my videos are Nintendo games
//Nintendo appreciates free publicity :)
 
2013-12-12 11:29:38 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: On my first play-through I got knocked off a bridge about 20% of the way through the game and ended up reloading at some random point about 80% of the way through the game. The second play-through saw me lose 5 hours of play after building something which caused a CTD which left me with a corrupt save.


ya, my save file was corrupted once.  lost an 80 some-odd percent playthru.  oh well, shiat happens.
 
2013-12-12 11:31:22 AM

IlGreven: meanmutton: tallen702:
Wonder if it's a last-ditch effort to cash in on copyright/patent trolling before that kind of thing gets shut down in the near future.

From the letter above, this is my guess: Someone is going around filing these copyright notices on Youtube to try to scam some of the revenue that Let's Play, etc., are pulling in.

...the DMCA has been used to prosecute thousands of copyright claims.  There's a provision in the DMCA for prosecuting those who file false reports. You wanna guess how many people have been prosecuted for filing a false DMCA report?  I'll give you a hint: It rhymes with "not a damned one".  And as long as that's the case, any sort of "fix" of the DMCA or YouTube policies is moot.  And as long as the MPAA and the RIAA have their say, that will continue to be the case.


Ninety million and one?
 
2013-12-12 11:34:51 AM
two words:  Dailymotion, Vimeo.

Who said Youtube was the only game in town?
 
2013-12-12 11:35:28 AM
From what I understand (which may be wrong), it's the system that's been cobbled together over the years that's doing the take-downs. Not in an evil "Sky-Net is taking over the world" way but more like an "Agent Smith is buggy and multiplying out of control" sort of way.
 
2013-12-12 11:36:10 AM

frepnog: ZeroCorpse: Why the hell would anyone buy Dead Island in the first place? It looked terrible

the combat is fun, the upgrade system and crafting system is fun, the exploration of the island is fun, the graphics are pretty great, the game can be genuinely scary and pulse pounding.

it isn't perfect, but it is the best zombie survival game out there, by a LARGE margin.


You don't seem to mind some technical issues in your games if you enjoy Dead Island that much.  You should check out State of Decay, it's awesome*.

*well it's a bit glitchy and isn't graphically impressive at all, but it's fun
 
2013-12-12 11:36:33 AM
The game companies are offended because they can't bribe the LPers into giving their game a positive review.
 
2013-12-12 11:38:44 AM

snake_beater: tallen702: scottydoesntknow:

Pretty much every game company is denouncing this. They sound pretty upset too. Here's a letter from Deep Silver about it:

Yeah, I read about that yesterday when this started coming up. There was speculation that either someone is spamming youtube with take-down requests, or that youtube/google is testing a new algorithm  for future copyright lawsuit protection, but now it seems like someone is trying to capitalize on being a troll of some sort.

Wonder if it's a last-ditch effort to cash in on copyright/patent trolling before that kind of thing gets shut down in the near future.

Nah, I think this is just someone's bad idea of a joke.


I'm gonna have to disagree. Think of it. Use some sort of algorithm or bot to make a metric shiat-ton of copyright claims. So many that some are bound to fall on deaf ears/defunct users. Then, even though most will be reversed since you actually don't own any of that content, some of them will just go along with it. Then, you agree to let it stay up, but for a part of the adsense revenue, or demand a cut of the revenue up to that point. Profit.
 
2013-12-12 11:39:31 AM
Remember, the Google AI has the intelligence of a cocker spaniel, roughly on par with an overworked intern.
 
2013-12-12 11:43:35 AM

Lumbar Puncture: You don't seem to mind some technical issues in your games if you enjoy Dead Island that much.


the game doesn't crash that often and I have an INCREDIBLE amount of fun just exploring the island, which is mostly what I play those games for anyway.  I tend to create my own narratives when I play open world games and tend to put hundreds of hours in them.  hell, between Oblivion, Skyrim and Dead Island, I am certain I have over 500 hours easy.
 
2013-12-12 11:45:21 AM
Twitch is better anyway
 
2013-12-12 11:47:23 AM
Well, all good things must come to an end. Time to find YouTube's replacement. I'm honestly surprised there isn't already competition out there.
 
2013-12-12 11:48:30 AM

Electric_Banana: The game companies are offended because they can't bribe the LPers into giving their game a positive review.


RTFA. The game companies LIKE LPers and the attention their games receive. It's Youtube that has the issue.
 
2013-12-12 11:51:49 AM

Electric_Banana: The game companies are offended because they can't bribe the LPers into giving their game a positive review.


The savaging the LP community gave Beyond: Two Souls was beautiful.
 
2013-12-12 11:56:06 AM

doczoidberg: Well, all good things must come to an end. Time to find YouTube's replacement. I'm honestly surprised there isn't already competition out there.


Of course there is.  Vimeo, Blip, Twitch.TV (for gaming content specifically), DailyMotion, etc.  Unfortunately, none of them have the visibility of YouTube, so if you want to make money doing this or just want as many people as possible to see your work, Youtube is probably the best option.
 
2013-12-12 11:58:01 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-12 11:58:07 AM

kenshin5435: Twitch is better anyway


This. Better to watch them fail in real time, watch some guy yell at his mom for coming in while he's streaming, hear expletive filled rants, and actually be able to interact with the people, ask them questions,

I know way too damn much about Symphony of the Night now, and I've never played the game.
 
2013-12-12 11:59:57 AM

comslave: two words:  Dailymotion, Vimeo.

Who said Youtube was the only game in town?


Vimeo has been hunting down LPers for a while.
 
2013-12-12 12:13:51 PM

HeartBurnKid: doczoidberg: Well, all good things must come to an end. Time to find YouTube's replacement. I'm honestly surprised there isn't already competition out there.

Of course there is.  Vimeo, Blip, Twitch.TV (for gaming content specifically), DailyMotion, etc.  Unfortunately, none of them have the visibility of YouTube, so if you want to make money doing this or just want as many people as possible to see your work, Youtube is probably the best option.



I'm pretty sure they don't let just anybody post on Blip.

But here's to hoping something comes of Vimeo.
 
2013-12-12 12:21:37 PM
I can't tell if LP pioneer Slowbeef is cackling wickedly at seeing superstar LPers fall or cursing that he won't be able to do a Retsupurae of anything outside terrible flash games.
 
2013-12-12 12:26:05 PM

nekom: That would make more sense. Case in point: I kept hearing about this Minecraft thing, so I watched one of those "how to survive the first day" type videos and said yep, I'm buying this thing.



Same here. I watched the vids of Rust last night(it just came out on Steam yesterday) and I'm going to buy it this weekend. Without YouTube I'm not sure I'd even bother.

I've got 8-10 games that I'd watched on YT before I bought them. Seems to me the game companies would want those vids on there because they help sell games.
 
2013-12-12 12:33:11 PM

Theaetetus: Lumbar Puncture: Even then Fair Use would not likely cover the Let's Play videos that show the majority of the game.

Yeah, it'd be like showing an entire movie with some added commentary, and claiming that you're merely reviewing it.

[tiffanysinnerthoughts.files.wordpress.com image 850x269]
/and no, MST3k wasn't safe, which is why RiffTrax must be synced by the consumer.


MST3K wasn't fair use, they paid for rebroadcast rights for every film they showed. They even spoke of how hard it became in later seasons finding rights holders who were willing to let them riff on the flicks.
 
2013-12-12 12:34:24 PM

YodaBlues: MST3K wasn't fair use...


Yes, that's what I said.
 
2013-12-12 12:54:37 PM
My son is big on Let's Play style uploads. I'd hate to see that get taken... he's really gotten quite good with voiceover things and it's helped him do better at public presentation.
 
2013-12-12 12:56:54 PM

Ishkur: fta: "When you rely on one site alone for income, any policy change can instantly destroy you."

This is why I have always been and always will be mistrustful of the cloud.


Good point.
 
2013-12-12 12:58:22 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, mine are all still up. Then again, I acknowledged that I was using third party content as soon as Youtube hit me with their copyright stuff.

/and most of my videos are Nintendo games
//Nintendo appreciates free publicity :)


They also appreciate the ad revenue from the ads they put on your videos for you. I also have several crappy Nintendo videos on my channel. I haven't monetized anything I've ever uploaded, but the Nintendo videos are plastered with ads courtesy of The Big N waving its Copyright Boner around.
 
2013-12-12 01:00:36 PM
One of the Let's Play Minecraft videos was simply mesmerizing. I think I watched like 6 hours of that guy play Minecraft.

Still can't explain it, but they're interesting to me.
 
2013-12-12 01:01:17 PM

nekom: doglover: nekom: Seems to me that if I produced a game, I would want people watching let's play videos.  Free advertising.  What exactly is their objection?

Looks like it's not the game companies. Capcom is investigating "false flags"

That would make more sense.  Case in point:  I kept hearing about this Minecraft thing, so I watched one of those "how to survive the first day" type videos and said yep, I'm buying this thing.


The Minecraft let's play vids are what re-kindled my interest in the game after putting it down for a few months. Currently enjoying vids from guys on the Mindcrack server.
 
2013-12-12 01:02:19 PM
I've purchased several games after watching Let's Plays and reviews on YouTube. I think it's been about 10 games since the summer that had Youtube as the deciding factor.

A little while ago I went to my GF's sister's wedding. I took video including video from my 3D camera. I went to upload the videos for the family including the 3D videos since Youtube has built in support for 3D. Anyway, the video of the daddy-daughter dance got auto flagged and muted because of the song playing. It's not like this would be any sort of replacement for purchasing an album or song or anything.

The system tells you that your video is flagged and why. After that it gives you a chance to respond with several options from a drop down list to choose for why you think the video shouldn't be flagged. Every single option, once selected, was met with an automated "no you dumb bastard you're just not allowed to to it at all" type message. It's like they're just farking with you. I didn't notice any option to send the video for review with an actual person. Auto detect a song, auto mute, nothing you can do. For a daddy-daughter dance at a wedding.

How are people able to upload songs, albums, movies, etc and get around the detection system?
 
2013-12-12 01:04:01 PM

basscomm: The My Little Pony Killer: Nope, mine are all still up. Then again, I acknowledged that I was using third party content as soon as Youtube hit me with their copyright stuff.

/and most of my videos are Nintendo games
//Nintendo appreciates free publicity :)

They also appreciate the ad revenue from the ads they put on your videos for you. I also have several crappy Nintendo videos on my channel. I haven't monetized anything I've ever uploaded, but the Nintendo videos are plastered with ads courtesy of The Big N waving its Copyright Boner around.


I've made it clear on my videos, when I found out Nintendo was slapping ads on them, that I did not monetize my account and that I don't care either way if they decide to use ad-block plus or not. If viewers would like to further support Nintendo, good for them. If they don't, it's no skin off my back.

/don't notice the ads myself
//did I mention ad-block plus yet?
 
2013-12-12 01:09:04 PM
So this is just over zealous copyright assholes doing one last dance to impress the boss for a Christmas bonus?
 
2013-12-12 01:11:10 PM
If this shuts down Pewdiepie and his stupid channel then I'm all for it
 
2013-12-12 01:16:18 PM

Begoggle: If this shuts down Pewdiepie and his stupid channel then I'm all for it


Conversely, if this shuts down the Achievement Hunter Let's Play channel, I'm staunchly against it.
 
2013-12-12 01:25:04 PM

AdamK: it only really bothers me if people who aren't making money get their stuff taken down


And why is that?
 
2013-12-12 01:31:30 PM

frepnog: scottydoesntknow: And while Dead Island's gameplay did suck (and thanks to those video reviews that showed how glitchy it was) they did have one of the best trailers for it, as well as a badass live-action recreation of it.

i just don't get people that say that.  while the AI was pretty terrible (zombies will just run right by you sometimes, or stick to walls) the actual gameplay was pretty great, the combat is visceral and fun and the rpg-lite stuff is cool.

love that damn game.


It's weird. It's buggy and can be annoying but the combat is still fun. As a single player game I probably wouldn't have bothered but in co-op, it's a hell of a lot of fun. I'm currently playing Riptide in co-op with my gf and apart from being frustrated at some of the bugs, I'm really enjoying it.
 
2013-12-12 01:35:32 PM

commisioner: apart from being frustrated at some of the bugs


the worst bug that I encountered while playing Dead Island was better than the best day I ever had at work.
 
2013-12-12 01:39:44 PM

Warlordtrooper: fluffy2097: Are we so lazy as a nation now we have to watch other people play video games for us?

/Ban Mod Horror

Meh, no person has the time or money to play every single game out there.  I'm not going to spend 500 dollars to buy a new xbox just to play the next halo games.


Yeah and if you're an Xbox person, there's really no way to ever experience Last Of Us, which everyone should.
 
2013-12-12 01:40:50 PM

eyeq360: How else am I going to see DeceasedCrab struggle with La Mulana or ProtonJon curse so eloquently at Kaizo Mario?


Lol I love that game.  Beating it was almost as great a high as beating dark souls
 
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