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(Forbes)   In an effort to suck more, YouTube is pulling down Let's Play videos   (forbes.com) divider line 205
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2013-12-12 08:27:13 AM  
This is news? Where has subby been?
 
2013-12-12 08:28:52 AM  

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2013-12-12 08:35:52 AM  
Seems to me that if I produced a game, I would want people watching let's play videos.  Free advertising.  What exactly is their objection?
 
2013-12-12 08:55:03 AM  

nekom: Seems to me that if I produced a game, I would want people watching let's play videos.  Free advertising.  What exactly is their objection?


Looks like it's not the game companies. Capcom is investigating "false flags"
 
2013-12-12 09:07:30 AM  

nekom: Seems to me that if I produced a game, I would want people watching let's play videos.  Free advertising.  What exactly is their objection?


Probably that google hasn't monetized it enough yet.
 
2013-12-12 09:18:36 AM  

nekom: Seems to me that if I produced a game, I would want people watching let's play videos.  Free advertising.  What exactly is their objection?


Pretty much every game company is denouncing this. They sound pretty upset too. Here's a letter from Deep Silver about it:

We have been working with YouTube to resolve various issues that have plagued the YouTube gaming community this week, as soon as we learned about what was going on.

1. A channel named "4GamerMovie" has been claiming reviews, Let's Plays, and Walkthrough videos for our games, including Metro: Last Light. We raised this issue with YouTube late last evening (CET) and from the reports we've gotten in the past hours, it seems that claims by this channel have been lifted. If this is not the case, please dispute the claim and link us your video in question via Twitter to @

2. Claims on titles like Saints Row IV, Dead Island Riptide, and Metro: Last Light have also been made by two companies involved with music: IDOL and Shock Entertainment Pty. Some claims are even about visual content. At the time of writing, this has not been resolved yet. However, we have made YouTube aware of this issue and the two companies in question do not seem to be restricting their wave of copyright claims to just Deep Silver titles. We hope that this situation will also be resolved quickly for all involved.

3. If you have received any claims by THQ for videos containing footage of Deep Silver titles, please dispute this claim and send us a tweet to @
Deep Silver has no intention of preventing players, who like to create gaming content on YouTube using our games, from doing so. Nor do we seek to block any videos of the kind. This includes Let's Play, Walkthrough, Review, or other edited or commentated videos that are monetized by a player.


Whether your opinion of our games is positive or negative in your YouTube video, it is not our right as a games publisher to infringe on your basic right to voice your opinion freely using a public platform.

We will be monitoring the changes on YouTube and any other online medium that lets our fans share their common passion for games, and react and adapt to facilitate our communities wherever they are.

You will not be alone in this, whatever changes may come. Within the games industry, including at our competitors, there are many who share this vision. Adapting to change may sometimes take time, so we hope that the gaming community will be patient with not just us, but others as well, as we collectively strive to resolve any issues that arise.
 
2013-12-12 09:50:11 AM  
How else am I going to see DeceasedCrab struggle with La Mulana or ProtonJon curse so eloquently at Kaizo Mario?
 
2013-12-12 09:52:21 AM  
Are we so lazy as a nation now we have to watch other people play video games for us?

/Ban Mod Horror
 
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2013-12-12 09:53:23 AM  
Dumb move on Youtube's part, hopefully this gets cleared up.
 
2013-12-12 09:53:47 AM  
Guess that means they'll finally pull down all the copies of my "How Not to be Seen" done in Halo that have been floating around the internet since 2004.

linky:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUEHfAtKT9o">http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=GUEHfAtKT9o

I created this well before Youtube existed, but that hasn't stopped dozens of people from posting it up there
 
2013-12-12 09:54:36 AM  
The real issue is they don't want people to see how derivative and shiatty looking their games are.  Just watch the trailer, plebs.
 
2013-12-12 09:55:30 AM  
If this ends up with the destruction of PewDiePie's career, good.
 
2013-12-12 09:58:16 AM  

doglover: nekom: Seems to me that if I produced a game, I would want people watching let's play videos.  Free advertising.  What exactly is their objection?

Looks like it's not the game companies. Capcom is investigating "false flags"



It's the licensed music that is being auto-dinged by Google's new checker that is the problem.

The site can't differentiate between music played as BGM (no violation) and music that is a ripped OST (violation), so it is flagging Let's Play videos.
 
2013-12-12 09:58:34 AM  
Phew. Thought it said , "learn to play videos."

How am I going to pretend I know how to play guitar?
 
2013-12-12 09:58:58 AM  

fluffy2097: Are we so lazy as a nation now we have to watch other people play video games for us?

/Ban Mod Horror


Meh, no person has the time or money to play every single game out there.  I'm not going to spend 500 dollars to buy a new xbox just to play the next halo games.
 
2013-12-12 09:59:49 AM  
About time...

...collection of sweaty neckbeards huffing and "umm"ing into dimestore mics displaying far too much emotional investment...
 
2013-12-12 10:03:07 AM  
Honestly, in a way, I'm glad this happened.  You could not ask for a better display of how the modern form of copyright is incompatible with the way modern society conducts itself.
 
2013-12-12 10:04:04 AM  
scottydoesntknow:

Pretty much every game company is denouncing this. They sound pretty upset too. Here's a letter from Deep Silver about it:

Yeah, I read about that yesterday when this started coming up. There was speculation that either someone is spamming youtube with take-down requests, or that youtube/google is testing a new algorithm  for future copyright lawsuit protection, but now it seems like someone is trying to capitalize on being a troll of some sort.

Wonder if it's a last-ditch effort to cash in on copyright/patent trolling before that kind of thing gets shut down in the near future.
 
2013-12-12 10:05:57 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: About time...

...collection of sweaty neckbeards huffing and "umm"ing into dimestore mics displaying far too much emotional investment...


This is going to make that problem wose, not better. People doing Let's Play videos will either be talking more, to thwart the check, or they will turn off music all-together, allowing you to hear all the other neckbeard sounds that the BGM used to mask.
 
2013-12-12 10:06:31 AM  
Google, please don't keep doing this. What would be the point in preventing potential customers from buying a game at brick and mortars or at amazon;et al?    If they don't know, they won't part with their mo'.

In fact, one can make a case that Let's Players and the like strengthen the economy while providing entertainment simultaneously.   For example, a player could reveal new characters and levels (sometimes in games that are decades old), thus inevitability ensuring another sale of the title.  Entertainment and a microcosm of economics all in one and on YouTube to boot.
 
2013-12-12 10:09:03 AM  
A few years ago I posted a video of a remix of Depeche Mode's "Behind the Wheel" I had made. I slowed down the "visual" part of the original Anton Corbijn video and substituted the audio with my remix. YouTube took it down within a few days due to copyright violations. I remade the video with using video from a drive in Sydney I had with my then-GF. No problems since then. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UDlHwKDQDU

I had a video of a mimed comedy routine a friend and I performed in front of an audience that had some olde-timey music playing along with carefully timed sound effects. It took a few years but ultimately YouTube took it down in the U.S. because of copyright violations for the music.

Now I go onto YouTube and I find ENTIRE albums and ENTIRE movies. What's the deal YouTube?
 
2013-12-12 10:12:08 AM  
Nekom: Seems to me that if I produced a game, I would want people watching let's play videos.  Free advertising.  What exactly is their objection?

People have monetized the Let's Play videos, which are basically playing through an entire game with commentary.  While video games streams miss the interactive piece, it's still created media and this isn't acceptable in any other form of media.  Even MST3K paid a licensing fee for the movies they show and do commentary over, it's why Rifftrax typically provides the audio but requires you to get the video on your own.

Most companies already have policies now that allow the use of their games for videos as long as they're not monetized, the ones with more popular channels on Youtube I'm sure the publishers will make deals with to allow them to use the videos, though they likely will ask for a licensing fee.

I'm surprised by how long it's been allowed to go on.
 
2013-12-12 10:12:21 AM  
tallen702:
Wonder if it's a last-ditch effort to cash in on copyright/patent trolling before that kind of thing gets shut down in the near future.

From the letter above, this is my guess: Someone is going around filing these copyright notices on Youtube to try to scam some of the revenue that Let's Play, etc., are pulling in.
 
2013-12-12 10:17:42 AM  

nekom: Seems to me that if I produced a game, I would want people watching let's play videos.  Free advertising.  What exactly is their objection?


...actually, I think it's another of YouTube's lauded "changes"...instead of putting more eyes on copyright violations (which they should be doing to combat false flag operations, but are too cheap to pay out money to people to do so), they're "streamlining" the process...which of course means that Let's Plays (and probably eventually speedruns and even MovieClips and Abridged Anime) get automatically flagged.
 
2013-12-12 10:20:29 AM  

meanmutton: tallen702:
Wonder if it's a last-ditch effort to cash in on copyright/patent trolling before that kind of thing gets shut down in the near future.

From the letter above, this is my guess: Someone is going around filing these copyright notices on Youtube to try to scam some of the revenue that Let's Play, etc., are pulling in.


That is my impression as well. It's patent troll business theory applied to online videos.
 
2013-12-12 10:20:51 AM  
it only really bothers me if people who aren't making money get their stuff taken down
 
2013-12-12 10:21:23 AM  

meanmutton: tallen702:
Wonder if it's a last-ditch effort to cash in on copyright/patent trolling before that kind of thing gets shut down in the near future.

From the letter above, this is my guess: Someone is going around filing these copyright notices on Youtube to try to scam some of the revenue that Let's Play, etc., are pulling in.


...the DMCA has been used to prosecute thousands of copyright claims.  There's a provision in the DMCA for prosecuting those who file false reports. You wanna guess how many people have been prosecuted for filing a false DMCA report?  I'll give you a hint: It rhymes with "not a damned one".  And as long as that's the case, any sort of "fix" of the DMCA or YouTube policies is moot.  And as long as the MPAA and the RIAA have their say, that will continue to be the case.
 
2013-12-12 10:21:51 AM  
My boys will be pissed if they start pulling Zack Scott videos or the Diamond Minecart guy.
 
2013-12-12 10:22:21 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: People have monetized the Let's Play videos, which are basically playing through an entire game with commentary. While video games streams miss the interactive piece, it's still created media and this isn't acceptable in any other form of media.


Has the law been settled one way or the other on whether video games are "transformative" works, and play-throughs are covered under fair use? As I saw one person put it, "A video game is just a tool used to create savegame files".
 
2013-12-12 10:22:34 AM  
End Machinima + PewDiePie,, but keep Game Grumps + AVGN. They at least have entertaining commentary and review a range of games instead of biased and promoted reviews.
 
2013-12-12 10:23:00 AM  
I'm not worried for my favorite game reviewers, Rage Select. Where else can you find muppets weaving together dick jokes and Kierkegaard references while playing Ryse: Son of Rome?
/Shameless plug
 
2013-12-12 10:23:39 AM  
Francis is going to freak.
 
2013-12-12 10:23:52 AM  

rjakobi: If this ends up with the destruction of PewDiePie's career, good.


Aim for the stars.
 
2013-12-12 10:26:39 AM  
There is copyrighted music played in the background of Let's Plays as they play games with such.  I'm sure that trips some automated copyright takedown notices (and possibly some non-automated ones).  It appears that's where the vast majority of these notices are coming from.
 
2013-12-12 10:27:45 AM  
As a developer, this sucks. I want people to record and share their experiences with the things I make.

As for YouTube ... It's a Siberian corner of The Google Empire. Google has a 'problem' in that they are so sought-after by applicants, that Google can be selective in their hiring that every candidate is overqualified for the position they end up in. You have phD's doing effectively customer service -- like responding to DCMA takedown requests on YouTube. (Or writing code to automate it)  There's only so many whiz-bang cool new Google stuff to work on ...

If you're a computer science phD, I'd think you'd rather make rockets or interplanetary probes or computer games than get parked at YouTube.
 
2013-12-12 10:28:23 AM  
yes Youtube.... take down Retromania videos.... even though we just raised over $2k for terminally ill children.

assholes.
 
2013-12-12 10:28:51 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: Lumbar Puncture: People have monetized the Let's Play videos, which are basically playing through an entire game with commentary. While video games streams miss the interactive piece, it's still created media and this isn't acceptable in any other form of media.

Has the law been settled one way or the other on whether video games are "transformative" works, and play-throughs are covered under fair use? As I saw one person put it, "A video game is just a tool used to create savegame files".


I don't believe so, I think there's been an argument that the original commentary provided makes the use transformative, but I don't think that would hold up under scrutiny.  Even then Fair Use would not likely cover the Let's Play videos that show the majority of the game.
 
2013-12-12 10:30:56 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Here's a letter from Deep Silver about it:


I don't know what they make, but that letter alone makes me want to throw a bunch of money at them.
 
2013-12-12 10:32:49 AM  

Kyosuke: scottydoesntknow: Here's a letter from Deep Silver about it:

I don't know what they make, but that letter alone makes me want to throw a bunch of money at them.


Yeah, don't do that.  Their Dead Island games on PC are some of the buggiest games ever.
 
2013-12-12 10:34:49 AM  

Kyosuke: scottydoesntknow: Here's a letter from Deep Silver about it:

I don't know what they make, but that letter alone makes me want to throw a bunch of money at them.


Publisher of game, if you throw money at them aim for Saint's Row IV or Metro: Last Light and not Ride to Hell: Retribution (of which there were multiple videos of showing how bad it is).
 
2013-12-12 10:37:13 AM  

Glitchwerks: Kyosuke: scottydoesntknow: Here's a letter from Deep Silver about it:

I don't know what they make, but that letter alone makes me want to throw a bunch of money at them.

Yeah, don't do that.  Their Dead Island games on PC are some of the buggiest games ever.


Saints Row is pretty fun if you don't make any comparisons to GTA whatsoever.

Haven't played the Metro series, but I've heard they're pretty good.

And while Dead Island's gameplay did suck (and thanks to those video reviews that showed how glitchy it was) they did have one of the best trailers for it, as well as a badass live-action recreation of it.
 
2013-12-12 10:37:40 AM  

fluffy2097: Are we so lazy as a nation now we have to watch other people play video games for us?

/Ban Mod Horror


Well, we are lazy enough to watch other people play baseball and guitar for us right now.
 
2013-12-12 10:38:12 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: Has the law been settled one way or the other on whether video games are "transformative" works, and play-throughs are covered under fair use?


I'm not sure I understand the first part of your question - the video game is the work, the question would be whether a play through video is transformative of the original or merely a copy or public performance.
 
2013-12-12 10:39:38 AM  

Gunderson: fluffy2097: Are we so lazy as a nation now we have to watch other people play video games for us?

/Ban Mod Horror

Well, we are lazy enough to watch other people play baseball and guitar for us right now.


I just read Golly music
 
2013-12-12 10:41:22 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: Even then Fair Use would not likely cover the Let's Play videos that show the majority of the game.


Yeah, it'd be like showing an entire movie with some added commentary, and claiming that you're merely reviewing it.

tiffanysinnerthoughts.files.wordpress.com
/and no, MST3k wasn't safe, which is why RiffTrax must be synced by the consumer.
 
2013-12-12 10:43:49 AM  
As much as I'd like Egoraptor to get back to his Sequelitis series... not like this. This just isn't cool, man.
 
2013-12-12 10:45:24 AM  

scottydoesntknow: And while Dead Island's gameplay did suck (and thanks to those video reviews that showed how glitchy it was) they did have one of the best trailers for it, as well as a badass live-action recreation of it.


i just don't get people that say that.  while the AI was pretty terrible (zombies will just run right by you sometimes, or stick to walls) the actual gameplay was pretty great, the combat is visceral and fun and the rpg-lite stuff is cool.

love that damn game.
 
2013-12-12 10:47:00 AM  

doglover: nekom: Seems to me that if I produced a game, I would want people watching let's play videos.  Free advertising.  What exactly is their objection?

Looks like it's not the game companies. Capcom is investigating "false flags"


That would make more sense.  Case in point:  I kept hearing about this Minecraft thing, so I watched one of those "how to survive the first day" type videos and said yep, I'm buying this thing.
 
2013-12-12 10:50:35 AM  

tallen702: scottydoesntknow:

Pretty much every game company is denouncing this. They sound pretty upset too. Here's a letter from Deep Silver about it:

Yeah, I read about that yesterday when this started coming up. There was speculation that either someone is spamming youtube with take-down requests, or that youtube/google is testing a new algorithm  for future copyright lawsuit protection, but now it seems like someone is trying to capitalize on being a troll of some sort.

Wonder if it's a last-ditch effort to cash in on copyright/patent trolling before that kind of thing gets shut down in the near future.


Nah, I think this is just someone's bad idea of a joke.
 
2013-12-12 10:52:53 AM  

scottydoesntknow: And while Dead Island's gameplay did suck (and thanks to those video reviews that showed how glitchy it was) they did have one of the best trailers for it, as well as a badass live-action recreation of it.


I actually liked the gameplay!  I thought it was one of those games that was pretty awful and full of bad design choices, but strangely fun.  I liked exploring the island, despite the very tedious nature of it.

However, the game just doesn't farking run on my PC.  At all.  I had to go to the 360 to play it.

Don't sell games that don't work is my number one motto, and if you can't do that, at least release the code so the PC community can fix it for you.

If you can't do either of those things, you will never get my money again.
 
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