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(BBC)   European regulators say that aspartame is safe, though that stevia crap you're always putting in your tea may kill you   (bbc.co.uk ) divider line 67
    More: Interesting, aspartame, Europeans, European Food Safety Authority, sweeteners, food additives, risk assessments, liver damage, NHS Trusts  
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2013-12-12 01:22:37 AM  
www.vancouverobserver.com
 
2013-12-12 02:10:01 AM  
If it tastes funny, it isn't stevia.
 
2013-12-12 02:11:00 AM  
Drink ALL the Diet Coke!

\o/
 
2013-12-12 02:14:46 AM  

plushpuppy: If it tastes funny, it isn't stevia.


I've tasted stevia plant leaves, so I'm pretty sure it was stevia. They taste funny. And wrong. And just... too much.
 
2013-12-12 02:21:46 AM  
Catherine Collins, Principal Dietitian at St George's Hospital NHS Trust, welcomed the findings, saying: "Aspartame has been the sweetener with the biggest 'conspiracy theory' stories ever- ranging from behaviour issues in children to liver damage and cancer - all totally disproven, yet again, by this detailed scientific review."

and it won't make one damn bit of difference. people will still trust a blog that tells them what they want to hear instead of science.
 
2013-12-12 02:30:00 AM  

Rincewind53: Drink ALL the Diet Coke!

\o/


im drinkibg coke zero eith tum right now
 
2013-12-12 04:14:29 AM  

log_jammin: Catherine Collins, Principal Dietitian at St George's Hospital NHS Trust, welcomed the findings, saying: "Aspartame has been the sweetener with the biggest 'conspiracy theory' stories ever- ranging from behaviour issues in children to liver damage and cancer - all totally disproven, yet again, by this detailed scientific review."

and it won't make one damn bit of difference. people will still trust a blog that tells them what they want to hear instead of science.


Detailed scientific review not available until 2020.
 
2013-12-12 04:29:39 AM  
Fark that. It's aspartame as it is of you.
 
2013-12-12 05:04:52 AM  

Frederick: log_jammin: Catherine Collins, Principal Dietitian at St George's Hospital NHS Trust, welcomed the findings, saying: "Aspartame has been the sweetener with the biggest 'conspiracy theory' stories ever- ranging from behaviour issues in children to liver damage and cancer - all totally disproven, yet again, by this detailed scientific review."

and it won't make one damn bit of difference. people will still trust a blog that tells them what they want to hear instead of science.

Detailed scientific review not available until 2020.


 all totally disproven, yet again, 2013
 
2013-12-12 05:40:45 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-12 05:43:42 AM  
Aspartame is disgusting, the aftertaste is horrible.  I'll take plain old cane sugar, thanks.

\Never had stevia, heard of it.  Taste bad does it?
 
2013-12-12 05:45:43 AM  

log_jammin: Frederick: log_jammin: Catherine Collins, Principal Dietitian at St George's Hospital NHS Trust, welcomed the findings, saying: "Aspartame has been the sweetener with the biggest 'conspiracy theory' stories ever- ranging from behaviour issues in children to liver damage and cancer - all totally disproven, yet again, by this detailed scientific review."

and it won't make one damn bit of difference. people will still trust a blog that tells them what they want to hear instead of science.

Detailed scientific review not available until 2020.

 all totally disproven, yet again, 2013


Citation?
 
2013-12-12 05:49:26 AM  

somemoron: Aspartame is disgusting, the aftertaste is horrible.


I see that a lot in these threads, but, I have the opposite problem. I drank regular soft drinks and coffee(with cream and plenty of sugar) for years, but cut WAY back a few years ago. Now a nondiet drink like 7up or Dr Pepper is almost undrinkable for me just because of teh aftertaste it leaves. same with coffee or tea with sugar in it. It literally feels like my mouth is coated in something. But zero calorie diet drinks with things like aspartame taste just fine, on the pretty rare occasions I have them.
 
2013-12-12 06:02:23 AM  

Frederick: Citation?


other than the bolded part of the quote from the Principal Dietitian at St George's Hospital NHS Trust about the study? that is in the article that says the same thing? or the 25 years of studies before this that have show aspartame to have no ill health effects?

"Aspartame and its breakdown products are safe for human consumption at current levels of exposure, EFSA concludes in its first full risk assessment of this sweetener"

and the actual study in question.
 
2013-12-12 06:06:07 AM  

somemoron: Aspartame is disgusting, the aftertaste is horrible.  I'll take plain old cane sugar, thanks.

\Never had stevia, heard of it.  Taste bad does it?


Stevia has that problem where you take a sip of a stevia flavored drink and think, not bad, and about half a second later you get this bitter nasty aftertaste.

Sucralose (E955 or Splenda) remains my favorite despite a study that found study that found DNA damage if you ate more than 10,000 packets per day.
 
2013-12-12 06:09:28 AM  

dalbuc: somemoron: Aspartame is disgusting, the aftertaste is horrible.  I'll take plain old cane sugar, thanks.

\Never had stevia, heard of it.  Taste bad does it?

Stevia has that problem where you take a sip of a stevia flavored drink and think, not bad, and about half a second later you get this bitter nasty aftertaste.

Sucralose (E955 or Splenda) remains my favorite despite a study that found study that found DNA damage if you ate more than 10,000 packets per day.


Now is that an average or is that on a day by day basis?
 
2013-12-12 06:31:33 AM  

log_jammin: Frederick: Citation?

other than the bolded part of the quote from the Principal Dietitian at St George's Hospital NHS Trust about the study? that is in the article that says the same thing? or the 25 years of studies before this that have show aspartame to have no ill health effects?

"Aspartame and its breakdown products are safe for human consumption at current levels of exposure, EFSA concludes in its first full risk assessment of this sweetener"

and the actual study in question.


Thanks for the link.
That is a lot of high level reading and will take me probably all of next shift to get through it.

I have noted that the study is based on a particular level of intake that I will need to try and put into perspective.  It should also be noted that many of our (especially in the USA) foods (and food stuffs) are increasingly saturated with Aspertame.
 
2013-12-12 06:40:33 AM  
This just in:

Everybody dies eventually, including you.  It is unpredictable and may even be today.  Act accordingly.
 
2013-12-12 06:45:45 AM  
Aspartame causes a 30% increase in IQ when given to people who read aspartame poisoning conspiracy sites.
 
2013-12-12 06:52:12 AM  
dalbuc:
Stevia has that problem where you take a sip of a stevia flavored drink and think, not bad, and about half a second later you get this bitter nasty aftertaste.

I've never experienced that with stevia.  Not doubting you ... the perception of taste is a tricky thing.
 
2013-12-12 06:52:37 AM  

Frederick: I have noted that the study is based on a particular level of intake that I will need to try and put into perspective.

all studies are about a "particular level of intake".

the dose makes the poison

Frederick: It should also be noted that many of our (especially in the USA) foods (and food stuffs) are increasingly saturated with Aspertame.


diet drinks mostly. It's not really used in cooking. so your noted observation isn't really true.
 
2013-12-12 07:05:11 AM  
I'm tired of hearing this "30 times sweeter than sugar" label for these artificial sweeteners. No they are not! I have no idea how someone came up with this measurement but it's total bs.

Sugar is not bad for you, how about we have a half sugar Coke/Pepsi, Mountain Dew, whatever. I'd drink it.
 
2013-12-12 07:13:55 AM  
Ummm, Dan Quinn and Diego Sanchez say otherwise.

/with hands?
 
2013-12-12 07:15:29 AM  

FarkingSmurf: I'm tired of hearing this "30 times sweeter than sugar" label for these artificial sweeteners. No they are not! I have no idea how someone came up with this measurement but it's total bs.

Sugar is not bad for you, how about we have a half sugar Coke/Pepsi, Mountain Dew, whatever. I'd drink it.


I think this is the Dr Pepper 10 stuff which can't have zero calories because there is some sugar in it. It isn't bad.
 
2013-12-12 07:37:14 AM  

AngryDragon: This just in:

Everybody dies eventually, including you.  It is unpredictable and may even be today.  Act accordingly.


Cool, I'll make sure to dose your food with a gamma ray emitter. I mean, we're all going to die, right? So it doesn't matter if it's dying in your sleep from old age, cancer, or shiatting out your intestines. They're all the same.
 
2013-12-12 07:58:54 AM  

somemoron: Aspartame is disgusting, the aftertaste is horrible.  I'll take plain old cane sugar, thanks.

\Never had stevia, heard of it.  Taste bad does it?


To me, much like Aspartame. But my bottle is quite old now, maybe it's better now.
 
2013-12-12 08:09:13 AM  
SUGAR!

/made in 1998, so whatever
 
2013-12-12 08:10:05 AM  
Let's try again....

www.freewebs.com

*deep breath*  SSSSUUUUUUGGGGGGAAAAAARRRRRRRR! ! !!!!!
 
2013-12-12 08:24:16 AM  

FarkingSmurf: I'm tired of hearing this "30 times sweeter than sugar" label for these artificial sweeteners. No they are not! I have no idea how someone came up with this measurement but it's total bs.

Sugar is not bad for you, how about we have a half sugar Coke/Pepsi, Mountain Dew, whatever. I'd drink it.


Aspartame is sweeter. What they mean is that they use less actual sweetener than if they used sugar. They don't want sugar free stuff to be sweeter than normal.
 
2013-12-12 08:31:10 AM  
It still tastes like shiat
 
2013-12-12 08:44:09 AM  
But diet soft drinks contain potassium benzoate.

That's bad.

Also sodium benzoate.

That's bad, too.

These are both mold inhibiters that are not found in regular soda pop.

I just hate the vague subliminal fizziness and the lack of flavour. They always taste like the lining of the can. In a blind taste test, I don't think I could tell diet Coke from diet Seven-Up or Ginger Ale.

The choice between sweeteners is the least of your worries if you feel the need to drink large amounts of diet soda instead of tea, water, etc.

Diet soft drinks are a warning sign, not a poison. The poison remains in the dose.
 
2013-12-12 08:46:16 AM  

FarkingSmurf: I'm tired of hearing this "30 times sweeter than sugar" label for these artificial sweeteners.


It is not a number pulled out of their collective asses.

It simply means when trying to sweeten something to the equivalent level as you would using sugar, like a cup of coffee, you use 1/30th of the amount by weight. They are not trying to imply "30 times better" or anything like that.
 
2013-12-12 09:09:20 AM  
Sugar is bad for you.. in great quantity. (not hard to achieve)
Aspartame is bad for you ... in great quantity. (harder to achieve)

Mold inhibitors are only bad if they react or break down into acetone.

Acetone is only bad for you.. in significant quantity.  (probably fairly easy to achieve)
 
2013-12-12 09:38:26 AM  
So when is the European Food Safety Authority going to go after the killer that no one is talking about?

http://dhmo.org/facts.html

DHMO is used as cleaning agent and a fire retardant. They use DHMO is nuclear power plants for cryin' out loud and Obama is allowing DHMO in our food and drinks.

Hundred if not thousands of people die every year from the liquid form of DHMO.

Hopefully Europe isn't influenced by the "BIG DHMO" lobbying industry here in the U.S. and will ban DHMO if they care about the safety of humanity.
 
2013-12-12 09:53:09 AM  
For both my girlfriend and I, this study makes no difference.  It's a migraine trigger in both of us.  For me, if I drink a can of diet pop, I'm down with a migraine less than an hour later.  For my girlfriend, even a sip of diet pop and her migraine starts within 15 minutes.

Did you know it's tough to find gum that doesn't have aspartame in it?  You have to go to health food stores to find some.
Anyways, study or not, I'll go without the migraines, thanks.
 
2013-12-12 09:53:56 AM  
Blue agave: less cloying than sugar, not mad sciencey like aspartame. I also like the flavor it imparts to coffee, but YMMV.
 
2013-12-12 09:54:47 AM  

IntertubeUser: dalbuc:
Stevia has that problem where you take a sip of a stevia flavored drink and think, not bad, and about half a second later you get this bitter nasty aftertaste.

I've never experienced that with stevia.  Not doubting you ... the perception of taste is a tricky thing.


Stevia is an herbal extract, and I've found it has that property of some herbs like fennel or mint or basil that it tastes really awesome in small quantities, but if you stuff a bunch in your mouth it's just bleh, why do I have this mass of wet seeds and leaves in my mouth
 
2013-12-12 10:11:47 AM  
its breakdown products are safe for human consumption at current levels of exposure

Nothing like a good caveat.
 
2013-12-12 10:17:43 AM  

log_jammin: and it won't make one damn bit of difference. people will still trust a blog that tells them what they want to hear instead of science


Perhaps if Searle hadn't done such a crap job with their operations and studies when they were seeking approval for human consumption, the product wouldn't have gotten an horrible reputation right out of the gate.  There was bad news about aspartasme coming out every month in the late 70's and early 80's.  Anyone that remembers that time won't touch the stuff.  Myself included.
 
2013-12-12 10:26:00 AM  
Goodbye, Lydia.
 
2013-12-12 10:27:03 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Blue agave: less cloying than sugar, not mad sciencey like aspartame. I also like the flavor it imparts to coffee, but YMMV.


That's what the wife and I use. Tastes just fine.
 
2013-12-12 10:46:51 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Blue agave: less cloying than sugar, not mad sciencey like aspartame. I also like the flavor it imparts to coffee, but YMMV.


Plus it's a slower absorption which makes it better for you too.

Aspartame is headache inducing for me.
 
2013-12-12 10:56:42 AM  

log_jammin: Frederick: I have noted that the study is based on a particular level of intake that I will need to try and put into perspective.

all studies are about a "particular level of intake".

the dose makes the poison

Frederick: It should also be noted that many of our (especially in the USA) foods (and food stuffs) are increasingly saturated with Aspertame.

diet drinks mostly. It's not really used in cooking. so your noted observation isn't really true.


Can't be used in cooking. It breaks down completely and very rapidly above 60C (140F). This temperature is easily achieved in an uninsulated garage in Las Vegas in the summer.
 
2013-12-12 11:13:04 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: its breakdown products are safe for human consumption at current levels of exposure

Nothing like a good caveat.


When is this not true? Chocolate is poisonous is quantities larger than usually consumed.
 
2013-12-12 11:34:21 AM  
As a longtime diet drinker, any time I get a regular soda these days it's like trying to chug maple syrup straight.
 
2013-12-12 11:43:56 AM  

SkittlesAreYum: Marcus Aurelius: its breakdown products are safe for human consumption at current levels of exposure

Nothing like a good caveat.

When is this not true? Chocolate is poisonous is quantities larger than usually consumed.


There are animal studies that indicate aspartame could be a carcinogen at high doses.  You don't typically see that with chocolate.

Here's a summary.
 
2013-12-12 11:48:34 AM  

SkittlesAreYum: Marcus Aurelius: its breakdown products are safe for human consumption at current levels of exposure

Nothing like a good caveat.

When is this not true? Chocolate is poisonous is quantities larger than usually consumed.


Aspartame's approval process was also novel.  This is from sourcewatch:

In 1981, Hayes sought advice on aspartame's ban from a panel of FDA scientists and a lawyer. It soon became clear that the panel would uphold the ban by a 3-2 decision, but Hull then installed a sixth member on the commission, and the vote became deadlocked. He then personally broke the tie in aspartame's favor. Hayes justified his approval by citing an Ajinomoto-funded 1981 Japanese brain tumor study
 
2013-12-12 11:57:55 AM  
I can't taste stevia. A friend of mine was giving out sample pieces he had cut and, while everyone was saying "omg super sweet!!", I just shrugged and said "tastes like lawn clippings".
 
2013-12-12 12:09:54 PM  

plushpuppy: If it tastes funny, it isn't stevia.


strength123.files.wordpress.com
This has stevia, and it's the most vile garbage I've ever tasted.
 
2013-12-12 12:43:19 PM  
Somebody ask Jenny McCarthy what she thinks.
 
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