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2013-12-11 10:42:38 PM  
Well that sucks. Er, stinks. Whatever, it's not good
 
2013-12-11 10:50:55 PM  
Congratulations, Australia.  You've now lived up to your Commonwealth reputation of being "real" countries' embarrassing backwater ignoramus cousin.
 
2013-12-11 11:01:29 PM  
Crikey
 
2013-12-11 11:03:11 PM  
 
2013-12-11 11:04:10 PM  
It sucks, but it may very well be that the court was right.  Dunno enough about the law over there.
 
2013-12-11 11:07:11 PM  
Consider, it wasn't until the 70's they stopped the practice of routinely removing children from Aboriginal families. To be placed in group homes with no other reason then they were 'black' or 'half black' children.

Imagine, someone shows up at your home and takes you children for no other reason than the color of the skin and there's NOTHING you can (legally) do about it. It's a shameful part of history and so recent too, and the whites still defend their actions.

Australian Government defends forced relocation of Aboriginal children. (from 1999)
 
2013-12-11 11:11:34 PM  

optikeye: Consider, it wasn't until the 70's they stopped the practice of routinely removing children from Aboriginal families. To be placed in group homes with no other reason then they were 'black' or 'half black' children.

Imagine, someone shows up at your home and takes you children for no other reason than the color of the skin and there's NOTHING you can (legally) do about it. It's a shameful part of history and so recent too, and the whites still defend their actions.

Australian Government defends forced relocation of Aboriginal children. (from 1999)


Unfortunately, Australian Aboriginals tend to suffer the same problems as Native Americans, i.e. chronic alcoholism and high unemployment. Things must be done at a major level in both cultures.
 
2013-12-11 11:11:45 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Congratulations, Australia.  You've now lived up to your Commonwealth reputation of being "real" countries' embarrassing backwater ignoramus cousin.


It must be pretty embarrassing for them that South Africa is more progressive on marriage equality than they are.
 
2013-12-11 11:15:40 PM  

ArkAngel: optikeye: Consider, it wasn't until the 70's they stopped the practice of routinely removing children from Aboriginal families. To be placed in group homes with no other reason then they were 'black' or 'half black' children.

Imagine, someone shows up at your home and takes you children for no other reason than the color of the skin and there's NOTHING you can (legally) do about it. It's a shameful part of history and so recent too, and the whites still defend their actions.

Australian Government defends forced relocation of Aboriginal children. (from 1999)

Unfortunately, Australian Aboriginals tend to suffer the same problems as Native Americans, i.e. chronic alcoholism and high unemployment. Things must be done at a major level in both cultures.


Shouldn't that be done on a case by case basis? Instead of routinely removing children without due cause?
Did any of those parents stop drinking, get a better job and have their cases heard in court and back custody of their children? Or was just a policy to kidnap their children for 're-education' based on race and nothing else?
 
2013-12-11 11:22:01 PM  

optikeye: ArkAngel: optikeye: Consider, it wasn't until the 70's they stopped the practice of routinely removing children from Aboriginal families. To be placed in group homes with no other reason then they were 'black' or 'half black' children.

Imagine, someone shows up at your home and takes you children for no other reason than the color of the skin and there's NOTHING you can (legally) do about it. It's a shameful part of history and so recent too, and the whites still defend their actions.

Australian Government defends forced relocation of Aboriginal children. (from 1999)

Unfortunately, Australian Aboriginals tend to suffer the same problems as Native Americans, i.e. chronic alcoholism and high unemployment. Things must be done at a major level in both cultures.

Shouldn't that be done on a case by case basis? Instead of routinely removing children without due cause?
Did any of those parents stop drinking, get a better job and have their cases heard in court and back custody of their children? Or was just a policy to kidnap their children for 're-education' based on race and nothing else?


I'm not defending the practices done by the governments in years past, but the problems have existed for quite some time in both places.
 
2013-12-11 11:29:44 PM  

ArkAngel: optikeye: ArkAngel: optikeye: Consider, it wasn't until the 70's they stopped the practice of routinely removing children from Aboriginal families. To be placed in group homes with no other reason then they were 'black' or 'half black' children.

Imagine, someone shows up at your home and takes you children for no other reason than the color of the skin and there's NOTHING you can (legally) do about it. It's a shameful part of history and so recent too, and the whites still defend their actions.

Australian Government defends forced relocation of Aboriginal children. (from 1999)

Unfortunately, Australian Aboriginals tend to suffer the same problems as Native Americans, i.e. chronic alcoholism and high unemployment. Things must be done at a major level in both cultures.

Shouldn't that be done on a case by case basis? Instead of routinely removing children without due cause?
Did any of those parents stop drinking, get a better job and have their cases heard in court and back custody of their children? Or was just a policy to kidnap their children for 're-education' based on race and nothing else?

I'm not defending the practices done by the governments in years past, but the problems have existed for quite some time in both places.


You might want to read about the motivations. It wasn't to remove children from poverty, or alcoholic homes...it was about protecting white racial purity and nothing else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations
 
2013-12-12 12:13:12 AM  

optikeye: You might want to read about the motivations. It wasn't to remove children from poverty, or alcoholic homes...it was about protecting white racial purity and nothing else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations


Orrr, YOU could read about the stolen generation. Perhaps I could suggest starting with your own link, which says - in the second paragraph no less - that "documentary evidence, such as newspaper articles and reports to parliamentary committees, suggest a range of rationales. Motivations evident include child protection, beliefs that given their catastrophic population decline after white contact that Aboriginal people would "die out",[7] and a fear of miscegenation by full-blooded Aboriginal people".

There were a lot of rationales behind the stolen generation - and not all of them were rooted in white superiority. Quite a number of them relied on anthropological-esque notions of protecting a declining population by attempting to integrate it with the majority population. The fact that some well intentioned individuals doesn't mitigate the fact that it was a horrible thing to do, but it was and is a complex and controversial topic.

I can tell by your tone that you've read a few things about the problems aboriginals face (or perhaps not), but I would be willing to bet you've never actually been to Australia or talked to an actual aboriginal person.
 
2013-12-12 12:30:09 AM  
The whole thing was a stunt, the constitution of Australia clearly states that marriage (and divorce) was a federal rather than a state matter.  The ACT ALP introduced gay marriage knowing that it would be struck down by the High court.

optikeye: Consider, it wasn't until the 70's they stopped the practice of routinely removing children from Aboriginal families. To be placed in group homes with no other reason then they were 'black' or 'half black' children.

Imagine, someone shows up at your home and takes you children for no other reason than the color of the skin and there's NOTHING you can (legally) do about it. It's a shameful part of history and so recent too, and the whites still defend their actions.

Australian Government defends forced relocation of Aboriginal children. (from 1999)


First off, don't get your info from fringe communist websites. The Federal Government wasn't defending Stolen generations, it saying that what it was doing at the time was not unlawful, as the civil suit alleges.
 
2013-12-12 12:34:11 AM  
next thing you know, they'll be censoring the internet.
 
2013-12-12 12:37:14 AM  

Elegy: I would be willing to bet you've never actually been to Australia or talked to an actual aboriginal person.


I talked to an actual black person once, in the south too. Now I'm qualified to be all smug and condescending to people about slavery.
 
2013-12-12 12:41:21 AM  

andrewmoriarty: The Federal Government wasn't defending Stolen generations, it saying that what it was doing at the time was not unlawful, as the civil suit alleges.


i865.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-12 12:55:50 AM  

Elegy: There were a lot of rationales behind the stolen generation - and not all of them were rooted in white superiority. Quite a number of them relied on anthropological-esque notions of protecting a declining population by attempting to integrate it with the majority population. The fact that some well intentioned individuals doesn't mitigate the fact that it was a horrible thing to do, but it was and is a complex and controversial topic.


It was definitively it was was about race, even the theories about a declining population was rooted in paternalistic white supremacy. Also, the whole bit about child protection is total nonsense and little more then after the fact rationalizations.

A report by the attorney general, concluded that it was "an act of genocide, aimed at wiping out Indigenous families, communities and cultures, vital to the precious and inalienable heritage of Australia."

You can read a more detailed report here, with witness testimony here.
 
2013-12-12 02:29:37 AM  
Better headline I wish I'd submitted:

Rules 1, 3, 5, and 7 upheld by the Supreme Court of Woolamaloo.
 
2013-12-12 02:32:10 AM  
Who'd have thought a bunch of sunstroked, kangaroo punching, Fosters chugging English criminals would be so uptight?
 
2013-12-12 02:36:08 AM  
Unfair dinkum.
 
2013-12-12 02:37:40 AM  

log_jammin: I talked to an actual black person once


That must have been thrilling for you. Do you tell stories about your black friend now?

andrewmoriarty: It was definitively it was was about race


Nobody ever said it wasn't.

andrewmoriarty: even the theories about a declining population was rooted in paternalistic white supremacy.


Or perhaps they were rooted in.... a rapidly declining aboriginal population?

andrewmoriarty: Also, the
whole bit about child protection is total nonsense and little more then after the fact rationalizations


Don't kid yourself. Most of the children taken from the stolen generation were half aboriginal and half white, and many of them actually lived in horrendous living conditions surrounded by alcoholism, extreme poverty, sexual abuse, and violence. Not to mention being ostracized from their "communities" for being born mixed raced.

Even today aboriginal children are 4.3 times more likely to be sexually abused as a child, and that number is considered to be vastly underreported.

In fact, according to the report linked above, as of June 2001 there were 4,073 aboriginal children that had been removed from their families because of abuse (sexual or otherwise) or neglect. To quote:

Statistics from the Western Australian criminal justice system reveal that in 2000, the rate of reports to police of sexual assault of Indigenous girls was approximately double that of non-Indigenous girls (Ferrante and Fernandez 2002, reported in Gordon, Hallahan and Henry 2002). Yet it is estimated that less than 30 per cent of sexual assaults on children are actually reported to police and that this reporting rate is lower in Indigenous communities than non-Indigenous communities. Further, it was noted in the Robertson Report (2000) that 88 per cent of all rapes in Indigenous communities go unreported. Thus, it would appear that the documented extent of assault in Indigenous communities is just the tip of the iceberg.

So you tell me - is the policy of removing aboriginal children from their families today driven exclusively by racism?

andrewmoriarty: A report by the attorney general, concluded that it was "an act of genocide, aimed at wiping out Indigenous families, communities and cultures, vital to the precious and inalienable heritage of Australia."

You can read a more detailed report here, with witness testimony here.


Yeah, thanks, but I've read all of this, I know all about the stolen generation. And the grog laws. And the massacres. And the Tasmanian genocide. And the switch in the official stance from one of integration to one of self-determination. Etc. I've seen the videos, the interviews, and I've read the primary sources.

Look, I'm not saying the stolen generation wasn't a terrible thing to do - it was. I'm not saying that many of the people who supported and implemented the policies weren't racist - they were. I'm not saying that there isn't still quite a lot of racism in Australia against aboriginies - there is.

But saying the "stolen generation was exclusively about white supremacy" is retarded. Nothing so complex is ever about one single thing, and saying this ignores the enormously complex social issues that underlie aboriginal relations.

Just as an example, focusing solely on the stolen generation ignores Australia's wider historical predilection for stealing people's babies for the babies' own good. Estimates as to the size of the stolen generation range from lows of 20,00-100,000 children taken from 1910-1970; during the period 1930-1970 around 250,000-450,000 white babies were forcibly taken from their mothers, usually for the crime of being unwed, unfit, or poor. Of course, acknowledging that there was a wider governmental policy of stealing everybody's - whether white or black - doesn't allow you to tie up the stolen generation into a neat little package that says "racism," does it?

It's nice to treat racism as the big bad bogey man - the sole reason bad things happen. It reduces the big scary world to something simple that you can understand. It makes you look pretty stupid to anyone that is actually knowledgeable about the subject, but hey, whatever works for you.
 
2013-12-12 02:38:54 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: Congratulations, Australia.  You've now lived up to your Commonwealth reputation of being "real" countries' embarrassing backwater ignoramus cousin.

It must be pretty embarrassing for them that South Africa is more progressive on marriage equality than they are.


The constitution might be the most progressive one in the whole of Africa...but in practice / real life LGBT people in South Africa are treated just as badly.. especially in the townships where lesbians are often raped to "cure" them. And i mean everyone nevermind your skin color. In a sense it almost seems like black and white working together and ganging up on rainbow coloured.

I live next door in Namibia.. Our "father of the nation" has banned it. Saying its unatural blah blah. But there seem to be a move in the ruling party to change that. And that make me kinda happy. Everyone has the right to love and happiness.
 
2013-12-12 02:41:47 AM  

optikeye: Consider, it wasn't until the 70's they stopped the practice of routinely removing children from Aboriginal families. To be placed in group homes with no other reason then they were 'black' or 'half black' children.

Imagine, someone shows up at your home and takes you children for no other reason than the color of the skin and there's NOTHING you can (legally) do about it. It's a shameful part of history and so recent too, and the whites still defend their actions.

Australian Government defends forced relocation of Aboriginal children. (from 1999)


That's around the same time Irish priests stopped taking infants from potentially "bad" mothers and sending them off for adoption, so par for the course.

Australia never fails to astonish me: they seem like they should be the most progressive of English-speaking nations, but then they do shiat like this which makes the USA look good.

/We closed down the Indian Schools (where they taught skills like clarinet and water polo) decades ago
//obscure?
 
2013-12-12 02:46:46 AM  

andrewmoriarty: First off, don't get your info from fringe communist websites.


It's funny that you don't know the difference between socialism and communism.
 
2013-12-12 02:47:34 AM  

Natsumi: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: Congratulations, Australia.  You've now lived up to your Commonwealth reputation of being "real" countries' embarrassing backwater ignoramus cousin.

It must be pretty embarrassing for them that South Africa is more progressive on marriage equality than they are.

The constitution might be the most progressive one in the whole of Africa...but in practice / real life LGBT people in South Africa are treated just as badly.. especially in the townships where lesbians are often raped to "cure" them. And i mean everyone nevermind your skin color. In a sense it almost seems like black and white working together and ganging up on rainbow coloured.

I live next door in Namibia.. Our "father of the nation" has banned it. Saying its unatural blah blah. But there seem to be a move in the ruling party to change that. And that make me kinda happy. Everyone has the right to love and happiness.


Didn't know we had any African Farkers. Welcome! (however belated that might be)
 
2013-12-12 02:48:01 AM  

Elegy: That must have been thrilling for you.


Oh I'm sure it wasn't near as thrilling as talking to an actual aboriginal person was for you.

Elegy: Do you tell stories about your black friend now?


like I said, I now get to be all smug and condescending to people about my knowledge of slavery due to having talked to an actual black person. Much like you get to do when discussing the lost generation due to you having spoke to an actual aboriginal person.
 
2013-12-12 02:49:34 AM  

andrewmoriarty: The whole thing was a stunt, the constitution of Australia clearly states that marriage (and divorce) was a federal rather than a state matter. The ACT ALP introduced gay marriage knowing that it would be struck down by the High court.


Question: why in the hell hasn't it been addressed at the federal level then?
 
2013-12-12 02:53:20 AM  

fusillade762: Natsumi: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: Congratulations, Australia.  You've now lived up to your Commonwealth reputation of being "real" countries' embarrassing backwater ignoramus cousin.

It must be pretty embarrassing for them that South Africa is more progressive on marriage equality than they are.

The constitution might be the most progressive one in the whole of Africa...but in practice / real life LGBT people in South Africa are treated just as badly.. especially in the townships where lesbians are often raped to "cure" them. And i mean everyone nevermind your skin color. In a sense it almost seems like black and white working together and ganging up on rainbow coloured.

I live next door in Namibia.. Our "father of the nation" has banned it. Saying its unatural blah blah. But there seem to be a move in the ruling party to change that. And that make me kinda happy. Everyone has the right to love and happiness.

Didn't know we had any African Farkers. Welcome! (however belated that might be)


LOL... very belated. I am mostly a lurker. But thanks. There are actually a few of us. Another one from Namibia.. and a couple of people from South Africa as far as i could gather.
 
2013-12-12 02:57:59 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: optikeye: Consider, it wasn't until the 70's they stopped the practice of routinely removing children from Aboriginal families. To be placed in group homes with no other reason then they were 'black' or 'half black' children.

Imagine, someone shows up at your home and takes you children for no other reason than the color of the skin and there's NOTHING you can (legally) do about it. It's a shameful part of history and so recent too, and the whites still defend their actions.

Australian Government defends forced relocation of Aboriginal children. (from 1999)

That's around the same time Irish priests stopped taking infants from potentially "bad" mothers and sending them off for adoption, so par for the course.

Australia never fails to astonish me: they seem like they should be the most progressive of English-speaking nations, but then they do shiat like this which makes the USA look good.

/We closed down the Indian Schools (where they taught skills like clarinet and water polo) decades ago
//obscure?


To be fair, the only difference here is that marriage is a federal matter, whereas it was a state matter in the US. Remember DOMA only got struck down this year.

Anyway, this is a pity, but not unexpected. The conservatives here have, as in the US, been making opposition to gay marriage a party policy, while the Labor party made it a personal issue (ie each member chooses to support it individually), so moves to legalize it went nowhere. It wasn't until just before the last election that the PM even decided to support gay marriage (and then lost for other reasons anyway), so the issue will be a while in the wilderness until conservatives are booted out again.
 
2013-12-12 03:06:43 AM  
Lived in Australia for a year, loved it.

But I wouldn't call the populace 'enlightened'. Was surprised to hear of the 'legalization', not so much this.

/not gay, but okay with the gay. (Sous chef at works grabs my ass and I like it ;-))
//coupled with India this week... Not hyped.
///Go UK I guess.
 
2013-12-12 03:15:22 AM  

Elegy: It's nice to treat racism as the big bad bogey man - the sole reason bad things happen. It reduces the big scary world to something simple that you can understand.


I actually agree with this premise, but will qualify with my thought that what happened in Australia was more about "race," in and of itself, than slavery in America. That should tell you something about relativity.

Well, that, and the question of "why" things got so bad in the first place as it pertains to Aboriginal societal health. I'm sure "think of the native children" wasn't always the motto.
 
2013-12-12 03:15:53 AM  

Natsumi: fusillade762: Natsumi: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: Congratulations, Australia.  You've now lived up to your Commonwealth reputation of being "real" countries' embarrassing backwater ignoramus cousin.

It must be pretty embarrassing for them that South Africa is more progressive on marriage equality than they are.

The constitution might be the most progressive one in the whole of Africa...but in practice / real life LGBT people in South Africa are treated just as badly.. especially in the townships where lesbians are often raped to "cure" them. And i mean everyone nevermind your skin color. In a sense it almost seems like black and white working together and ganging up on rainbow coloured.

I live next door in Namibia.. Our "father of the nation" has banned it. Saying its unatural blah blah. But there seem to be a move in the ruling party to change that. And that make me kinda happy. Everyone has the right to love and happiness.

Didn't know we had any African Farkers. Welcome! (however belated that might be)

LOL... very belated. I am mostly a lurker. But thanks. There are actually a few of us. Another one from Namibia.. and a couple of people from South Africa as far as i could gather.


OI! Shouldn't you be working instead of farking?
 
2013-12-12 03:19:20 AM  
The only reason the conservatives are in power is because of Islamic Fear in Australia.

I can't say that I blame them and shutting down the 'boat' policy of immigration is good and that open immigration policy really bothers some Australians that want assimilation of cultures instead of fractures in enclaves of cultures. I'm gay and if I lived in AUS I probably would have voted for the conservative guy over the open immigration person.

Unfortunately the same conservatives don't like gays either.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/4136/australian-islamic-cleric-i nc ites-violence
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/09/violent-musl im -riots-hit-australia-behead-all-those-who-insult-the-prophet.html


This is why the conservatives won in AUS. Not the gays. That's a side effect of removing liberal policies allowing 'outsiders' that don't assimilate into the culture.

/yeah...do a deeper google if you don't the sources for those links. Its the same story all the way down.
 
2013-12-12 03:22:51 AM  
"Is your name not Bruce?"

"No, it's Michael."

"Well, doesn't matter, law says we can't marry anyway."
 
2013-12-12 03:24:53 AM  

Smoking GNU: Natsumi: fusillade762: Natsumi: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: Congratulations, Australia.  You've now lived up to your Commonwealth reputation of being "real" countries' embarrassing backwater ignoramus cousin.

It must be pretty embarrassing for them that South Africa is more progressive on marriage equality than they are.

The constitution might be the most progressive one in the whole of Africa...but in practice / real life LGBT people in South Africa are treated just as badly.. especially in the townships where lesbians are often raped to "cure" them. And i mean everyone nevermind your skin color. In a sense it almost seems like black and white working together and ganging up on rainbow coloured.

I live next door in Namibia.. Our "father of the nation" has banned it. Saying its unatural blah blah. But there seem to be a move in the ruling party to change that. And that make me kinda happy. Everyone has the right to love and happiness.

Didn't know we had any African Farkers. Welcome! (however belated that might be)

LOL... very belated. I am mostly a lurker. But thanks. There are actually a few of us. Another one from Namibia.. and a couple of people from South Africa as far as i could gather.

OI! Shouldn't you be working instead of farking?


Shut up you in the peanut corner.
 
2013-12-12 03:29:39 AM  

optikeye: The only reason the conservatives are in power is because of Islamic Fear in Australia.

I can't say that I blame them and shutting down the 'boat' policy of immigration is good and that open immigration policy really bothers some Australians that want assimilation of cultures instead of fractures in enclaves of cultures. I'm gay and if I lived in AUS I probably would have voted for the conservative guy over the open immigration person.

Unfortunately the same conservatives don't like gays either.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/4136/australian-islamic-cleric-i nc ites-violence
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/09/violent-musl im -riots-hit-australia-behead-all-those-who-insult-the-prophet.html


This is why the conservatives won in AUS. Not the gays. That's a side effect of removing liberal policies allowing 'outsiders' that don't assimilate into the culture.

/yeah...do a deeper google if you don't the sources for those links. Its the same story all the way down.


Geeze...I gotta read more of what first comes up on a google serach. Because some will look at the source and say "oh fark" ...

So here's the wiki of the second thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Sydney_anti-Islam_film_protests

Basically that really scared A LOT of people to vote for more super conservatives that would tie down immigration..and gay rights as a side effect.
 
2013-12-12 03:38:42 AM  

Natsumi: Smoking GNU: Natsumi: fusillade762: Natsumi: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: Congratulations, Australia.  You've now lived up to your Commonwealth reputation of being "real" countries' embarrassing backwater ignoramus cousin.

It must be pretty embarrassing for them that South Africa is more progressive on marriage equality than they are.

The constitution might be the most progressive one in the whole of Africa...but in practice / real life LGBT people in South Africa are treated just as badly.. especially in the townships where lesbians are often raped to "cure" them. And i mean everyone nevermind your skin color. In a sense it almost seems like black and white working together and ganging up on rainbow coloured.

I live next door in Namibia.. Our "father of the nation" has banned it. Saying its unatural blah blah. But there seem to be a move in the ruling party to change that. And that make me kinda happy. Everyone has the right to love and happiness.

Didn't know we had any African Farkers. Welcome! (however belated that might be)

LOL... very belated. I am mostly a lurker. But thanks. There are actually a few of us. Another one from Namibia.. and a couple of people from South Africa as far as i could gather.

OI! Shouldn't you be working instead of farking?

Shut up you in the peanut corner.


We ran out of peanuts, so shaddup yourself and GBTW!
 
2013-12-12 03:55:32 AM  

Smoking GNU: Natsumi: Smoking GNU: Natsumi: fusillade762: Natsumi: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: Congratulations, Australia.  You've now lived up to your Commonwealth reputation of being "real" countries' embarrassing backwater ignoramus cousin.

It must be pretty embarrassing for them that South Africa is more progressive on marriage equality than they are.

The constitution might be the most progressive one in the whole of Africa...but in practice / real life LGBT people in South Africa are treated just as badly.. especially in the townships where lesbians are often raped to "cure" them. And i mean everyone nevermind your skin color. In a sense it almost seems like black and white working together and ganging up on rainbow coloured.

I live next door in Namibia.. Our "father of the nation" has banned it. Saying its unatural blah blah. But there seem to be a move in the ruling party to change that. And that make me kinda happy. Everyone has the right to love and happiness.

Didn't know we had any African Farkers. Welcome! (however belated that might be)

LOL... very belated. I am mostly a lurker. But thanks. There are actually a few of us. Another one from Namibia.. and a couple of people from South Africa as far as i could gather.

OI! Shouldn't you be working instead of farking?

Shut up you in the peanut corner.

We ran out of peanuts, so shaddup yourself and GBTW!


Oh, and BTW, we moved the freezer this morning on request, and what we found was A) one Gecko as big as my hand (daaawwww) and B) One scorpion as big as my hand (GAH!)
 
2013-12-12 04:13:27 AM  

optikeye: ArkAngel: optikeye: Consider, it wasn't until the 70's they stopped the practice of routinely removing children from Aboriginal families. To be placed in group homes with no other reason then they were 'black' or 'half black' children.

Imagine, someone shows up at your home and takes you children for no other reason than the color of the skin and there's NOTHING you can (legally) do about it. It's a shameful part of history and so recent too, and the whites still defend their actions.

Australian Government defends forced relocation of Aboriginal children. (from 1999)

Unfortunately, Australian Aboriginals tend to suffer the same problems as Native Americans, i.e. chronic alcoholism and high unemployment. Things must be done at a major level in both cultures.

Shouldn't that be done on a case by case basis? Instead of routinely removing children without due cause?
Did any of those parents stop drinking, get a better job and have their cases heard in court and back custody of their children? Or was just a policy to kidnap their children for 're-education' based on race and nothing else?



Originally it was a eugenics program. I'm sure there was the idea of a social welfare behind it, but indefensible. The aboriginal people weren't allowed to vote, or considered people until 1969, they were considered "flora and fauna"
 
2013-12-12 04:14:38 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Congratulations, Australia.  You've now lived up to your Commonwealth reputation of being "real" countries' embarrassing backwater ignoramus cousin.


New Zealand?

Yeah we know.... we're awful
 
2013-12-12 04:19:48 AM  
Australia is China White.
 
2013-12-12 04:32:00 AM  
Wasn't that rule number one?
 
2013-12-12 04:54:44 AM  

Elegy: Don't kid yourself. Most of the children taken from the stolen generation were half aboriginal and half white, and many of them actually lived in horrendous living conditions surrounded by alcoholism, extreme poverty, sexual abuse, and violence.


Which is a relatively recent phenomena, it's really gotten worse in the last 25 years. The uptick in violence, sexual abuse and alcoholism is associated with the decline of economy in remote Australia. Jobs traditionally taken up by Indigenous Australians in remote areas, such as being a Drover, have basically become non-existent.

Elegy: Or perhaps they were rooted in.... a rapidly declining aboriginal population?


Despite what wikipedia might tell you, there is no evidence of a decline in the indigenous populations, we have no evidence of the population of Aboriginals at all. As you should apparently know, indigenous populations  were purposely excluded from the census, it wasn't until the 1960's that we even knew many Aboriginals there were.

Do you have a source?


Elegy: Yeah, thanks, but I've read all of this, I know all about the stolen generation. And the grog laws. And the massacres. And the Tasmanian genocide. And the switch in the official stance from one of integration to one of self-determination. Etc. I've seen the videos, the interviews, and I've read the primary sources.


I would like some sources then. You've claimed that Child protection was one of the motivating factors of the stolen generation, it should relatively easy too find sources for it.
 
2013-12-12 05:05:51 AM  
But they also have strict gun control laws, so I'm sure both ends of the political spectrum don't know what to think of Australia right now.
 
2013-12-12 05:18:00 AM  

optikeye: The only reason the conservatives are in power is because of Islamic Fear in Australia.

I can't say that I blame them and shutting down the 'boat' policy of immigration is good and that open immigration policy really bothers some Australians that want assimilation of cultures instead of fractures in enclaves of cultures. I'm gay and if I lived in AUS I probably would have voted for the conservative guy over the open immigration person.

Unfortunately the same conservatives don't like gays either.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/4136/australian-islamic-cleric-i nc ites-violence
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/09/violent-musl im -riots-hit-australia-behead-all-those-who-insult-the-prophet.html


This is why the conservatives won in AUS. Not the gays. That's a side effect of removing liberal policies allowing 'outsiders' that don't assimilate into the culture.

/yeah...do a deeper google if you don't the sources for those links. Its the same story all the way down.


You didn't actually bother to look up Labour's immigration policies, did you? The 2 parties tried to out-fascist each other. KRudd vowed that nobody who arrives on a boat would ever be settled in Australia, sent instead to papua new guinea.

The conservatives won because of the infighting in the labour party (first KRudd was PM, then he got ousted due to internal politics so we had Gillard, then when labour realised she couldn't win the election they ousted her and replaced her with Rudd again) and because despite their solid (not amazing) handling of the economic downturn, they weren't able to sell their achievements. So when all the news coming from Canberra is about internal political bullshiat and not about actual policy...

There was also the carbon tax/trading scheme - I'm not entirely sure how big a role this played as most Australians are in favour of doing something about climate change but many seem unwilling to pay for it... I get the feeling this wasn't what swayed many voters.
 
2013-12-12 05:55:58 AM  
Elect conservative leaders, have conservative law. Digiredon't
 
2013-12-12 05:58:41 AM  

Natsumi: Shut up you in the peanut corner.


Is that anything like the peanut gallery?
 
2013-12-12 06:04:40 AM  

fusillade762: Natsumi: Shut up you in the peanut corner.

Is that anything like the peanut gallery?


Yes. Exactly like that...
 
2013-12-12 07:05:25 AM  
Well, cross that off the potential vacation destinations.
 
2013-12-12 07:15:05 AM  
As John Oliver put it, Australians are the most comfortably racist people in the world.
 
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