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2013-12-11 10:19:27 PM
Now I know the truth in the statement, nothing is sacred.
 
2013-12-11 10:21:23 PM
I'm not too bothered by this.  Home plate collisions are already rare, and it's even rarer that they help out the runner.  I'm not sure what the best way to enforce this is, though.  It seems like catchers will be able to block the plate much, much, much more effectively.

Also, I like collisions at 2nd base.  Let's not lose those.
 
2013-12-11 10:24:57 PM
They're just saying you can't run into a guy without making an attempt to slide and avoid the tag. So it's being treated like every other base.

So no more of this bullshiat right here:

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2013-12-11 10:27:40 PM

Dafatone: I'm not too bothered by this.  Home plate collisions are already rare, and it's even rarer that they help out the runner.  I'm not sure what the best way to enforce this is, though.  It seems like catchers will be able to block the plate much, much, much more effectively.

Also, I like collisions at 2nd base.  Let's not lose those.


The way I understand it is this: catchers can not block the plate, runners can not run into the catcher. So there would have to be a clear path for the runner to get to home plate with the catcher obstructing with anything other than his glove with the ball in it.

I think the result will be a lot more sliding into home, so maybe more plays like at 2nd. It's full body contact they're trying to eliminate more than anything.
 
2013-12-11 10:28:29 PM

desertgeek: So there would have to be a clear path for the runner to get to home plate with the catcher not obstructing with anything other than his glove with the ball in it.


Forgot a word
 
2013-12-11 10:34:22 PM

Dafatone: I'm not too bothered by this.  Home plate collisions are already rare, and it's even rarer that they help out the runner.  I'm not sure what the best way to enforce this is, though.  It seems like catchers will be able to block the plate much, much, much more effectively.


My guess is that you do it like softball -- if you don't have the ball, you're not allowed on the base path.  If the fielder has the ball, the runner is not allowed to initiate contact.
 
2013-12-11 10:37:02 PM
What the catcher is blocking sometimes depends on where the ball's coming in. First and foremost, he's got to get in front of the ball. If that place just happens to be in front of home plate when the runner's coming... I mean, home plate ISN'T like second and third or even first. The runner is required to pull up at second and third, so there's a place the fielder can be and always be safe from harm. The runner can and will run full-steam through home plate, so you have to be cognizant of that. He can run through first too, but there's designated lanes at first. There aren't at home.

Jack McDowell was on MLB Network earlier today saying that he's seen this already in place at some lower levels, and the result is actually an INCREASE in injuries, because runners and catchers are contorting themselves trying to get out of each other's way and end up farking up their legs and knees and ankles in the process.
 
2013-12-11 10:37:02 PM
Honestly, I always thought that it was weird that baseball allowed this.  This is about as much of a non-contact sport as you can get without being golf up until it comes to a close play at the plate, when all of a sudden you're allowed to put a hit on the catcher that would get you suspended in football or hockey.
 
2013-12-11 10:37:43 PM

meanmutton: Dafatone: I'm not too bothered by this.  Home plate collisions are already rare, and it's even rarer that they help out the runner.  I'm not sure what the best way to enforce this is, though.  It seems like catchers will be able to block the plate much, much, much more effectively.

My guess is that you do it like softball -- if you don't have the ball, you're not allowed on the base path.  If the fielder has the ball, the runner is not allowed to initiate contact.


So basically they're going to enforce the obstruction rule at all bases instead of just the first 3.
 
2013-12-11 10:38:45 PM

Gosling: What the catcher is blocking sometimes depends on where the ball's coming in. First and foremost, he's got to get in front of the ball. If that place just happens to be in front of home plate when the runner's coming... I mean, home plate ISN'T like second and third or even first. The runner is required to pull up at second and third, so there's a place the fielder can be and always be safe from harm. The runner can and will run full-steam through home plate, so you have to be cognizant of that. He can run through first too, but there's designated lanes at first. There aren't at home.

Jack McDowell was on MLB Network earlier today saying that he's seen this already in place at some lower levels, and the result is actually an INCREASE in injuries, because runners and catchers are contorting themselves trying to get out of each other's way and end up farking up their legs and knees and ankles in the process.


Know how you avoid a collision?  Instead of leaping at the catcher while aiming your elbow at his throat, you just farking slide.
 
2013-12-11 10:40:05 PM
If we weren't so Canadian and polite, we would mock you, baseball. See Exhibit A below on grit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s946M878MxI">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=s946M878MxI

And I don't even like the Bruins...
 
2013-12-11 10:40:11 PM
I'm okay with this
 
2013-12-11 10:40:33 PM
Because.......BUSTER
 
2013-12-11 10:40:37 PM

scandalrag: meanmutton: Dafatone: I'm not too bothered by this.  Home plate collisions are already rare, and it's even rarer that they help out the runner.  I'm not sure what the best way to enforce this is, though.  It seems like catchers will be able to block the plate much, much, much more effectively.

My guess is that you do it like softball -- if you don't have the ball, you're not allowed on the base path.  If the fielder has the ball, the runner is not allowed to initiate contact.

So basically they're going to enforce the obstruction rule at all bases instead of just the first 3.


Yep.  Could you imagine what would happen to a guy who slammed his elbow into Derek Jeter's head in a close play at 2nd?
 
2013-12-11 10:42:42 PM
Fine, as long as the catcher can't block the plate either.
 
2013-12-11 10:43:17 PM

mavrickatubc: If we weren't so Canadian and polite, we would mock you, baseball. See Exhibit A below on grit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s946M878MxI">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=s946M878MxI

And I don't even like the Bruins...


Because in hockey you're allowed to hit guys in the head?  Someone better tell that to Brendan Shanahan.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/15/nhl-nails-patrick-kale ta -with-10-game-suspension/
 
2013-12-11 10:44:45 PM

meanmutton: Know how you avoid a collision? Instead of leaping at the catcher while aiming your elbow at his throat, you just farking slide.


And slow yourself down and give the catcher that extra split second to apply the tag? Sliding slows you down. You're trying to get into home as fast as possible and it's not like you have to keep yourself on the plate once you get there. Besides, what if the ball comes in down there? Any lane you might suggest the runner take, the ball could potentially come in at that lane.
 
2013-12-11 10:45:53 PM
You know the biggest load of crap from all this is? Collisions are prohibited in every level of baseball until players get to pro ball. NCAA, NHSF, Little League, Pony, travel ball, etc don't allow home plate collisions.

Players do not learn this crap until they start getting paid.
 
2013-12-11 10:47:32 PM

meanmutton: mavrickatubc: If we weren't so Canadian and polite, we would mock you, baseball. See Exhibit A below on grit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s946M878MxI">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=s946M878MxI

And I don't even like the Bruins...

Because in hockey you're allowed to hit guys in the head?  Someone better tell that to Brendan Shanahan.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/15/nhl-nails-patrick-kale ta -with-10-game-suspension/


HE'S PLAYING ON A BROKEN LEG!

And hockey players collide a little bit more often.  This isn't a rule against head-hunting...it's against contact.
 
2013-12-11 10:52:18 PM

Gosling: meanmutton: Know how you avoid a collision? Instead of leaping at the catcher while aiming your elbow at his throat, you just farking slide.

And slow yourself down and give the catcher that extra split second to apply the tag? Sliding slows you down. You're trying to get into home as fast as possible and it's not like you have to keep yourself on the plate once you get there. Besides, what if the ball comes in down there? Any lane you might suggest the runner take, the ball could potentially come in at that lane.


And your point is what, exactly?  That they should keep in a rule that caused multiple players to miss time, caused multiple concussions, so that there a half dozen or so more runs a year are scored?
 
2013-12-11 10:56:24 PM

Gosling: What the catcher is blocking sometimes depends on where the ball's coming in. First and foremost, he's got to get in front of the ball. If that place just happens to be in front of home plate when the runner's coming... I mean, home plate ISN'T like second and third or even first. The runner is required to pull up at second and third, so there's a place the fielder can be and always be safe from harm. The runner can and will run full-steam through home plate, so you have to be cognizant of that. He can run through first too, but there's designated lanes at first. There aren't at home.

Jack McDowell was on MLB Network earlier today saying that he's seen this already in place at some lower levels, and the result is actually an INCREASE in injuries, because runners and catchers are contorting themselves trying to get out of each other's way and end up farking up their legs and knees and ankles in the process.



And MLB would happily trade an increase in minor injuries for a decreased risk of concussions/etc.
 
2013-12-11 10:59:33 PM

Gosling: meanmutton: Know how you avoid a collision? Instead of leaping at the catcher while aiming your elbow at his throat, you just farking slide.

And slow yourself down and give the catcher that extra split second to apply the tag? Sliding slows you down. You're trying to get into home as fast as possible and it's not like you have to keep yourself on the plate once you get there.


Eh. It's not as if the players realize this.  Still way too many of them slide into first on a close play.
 
2013-12-11 10:59:35 PM
Ask these guys:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1815813-red-sox-catcher-david-ros s- on-both-ends-of-ugly-collisions-in-alcs-game-5
Red Sox Catcher David Ross on Both Ends of Ugly Collisions in ALCS Game 5
 
2013-12-11 11:01:10 PM
Also, the managing ranks of baseball are filled with catchers.  That might be a factor here.
 
2013-12-11 11:01:21 PM
It was always ridiculous that the catcher would block the plate anyway.   They weren't supposed to block the plate without the ball, but it happened all the goddamn time.  Now they'll just setup behind the plate, receive the ball and try to make a tag, just like any other base.

I'm fine with this.  Anyone who thinks this in any way diminishes the game has a few screws loose, probably from diving head first into a catcher.
 
2013-12-11 11:11:15 PM
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I will say that it's not entirely on catchers that this happens now. A lot of the really spectacular collisions are instigated by runners who were out the instant they decided to round third, but who figured they'd be able to knock the ball out of the catcher's mitt if they ran hard enough.

I guess once in a while it does work, but there's probably about a 1:1 ratio of serious injuries to runs scored that way, so fark that. It's baseball.
 
2013-12-11 11:12:32 PM

mavrickatubc: meanmutton: mavrickatubc: If we weren't so Canadian and polite, we would mock you, baseball. See Exhibit A below on grit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s946M878MxI">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=s946M878MxI

And I don't even like the Bruins...

Because in hockey you're allowed to hit guys in the head?  Someone better tell that to Brendan Shanahan.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/15/nhl-nails-patrick-kale ta -with-10-game-suspension/

HE'S PLAYING ON A BROKEN LEG!

And hockey players collide a little bit more often.  This isn't a rule against head-hunting...it's against contact.


Go take a look at the collisions at the plate -- the runner is always trying to plaster the catcher in the neck or head.
 
2013-12-11 11:13:48 PM
There's no place like Home.

Great call by MLB. There is no need for violent collisions.
 
2013-12-11 11:15:42 PM

ChrisDe: Fine, as long as the catcher can't block the plate either.


YEP!!!
 
2013-12-11 11:31:43 PM

meanmutton: Dafatone: I'm not too bothered by this.  Home plate collisions are already rare, and it's even rarer that they help out the runner.  I'm not sure what the best way to enforce this is, though.  It seems like catchers will be able to block the plate much, much, much more effectively.

My guess is that you do it like softball -- if you don't have the ball, you're not allowed on the base path.  If the fielder has the ball, the runner is not allowed to initiate contact.


That's my guess.  Admittedly, we're only a step away from senior league softball where you have 2 home bases (kind of like first) one for the runner and one for the fielder.  In any event, I don't think these collisions have any place in the game.
 
2013-12-11 11:32:49 PM

MFAWG: They're just saying you can't run into a guy without making an attempt to slide and avoid the tag. So it's being treated like every other base.

So no more of this bullshiat right here:

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Yeah, it's a little late for Ray Fosse.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Cincinnati-Reds-Pete-Rose-Clevela nd -Indians-Ray-Fosse-collision-home-plate-1970-All-Star-Game-070412
 
2013-12-12 12:03:38 AM
Try it out in the AL first before watering down the NL with weird rules.
 
2013-12-12 12:36:23 AM
Well, what do you know? You can make baseball more boring.
I think I just lost $20.
 
2013-12-12 12:56:47 AM

alexjoss: Because.......BUSTER


Sure.

It won't stop me from starting and ending the argument that baseball players are the biggest softie-whores in pro sports.

Though it's tough to argue when 70+℅ of the players and managers couldn't even come up with a GED.

I wonder if all those old, white Republicans realize they are cheering for the demographic that they despise on a nightly basis.

Oh, wait...
 
2013-12-12 01:02:19 AM

fatalvenom: Though it's tough to argue when 70+℅ of the players and managers couldn't even come up with a GED.


It's a bit of a different culture compared to other pro sports (not defending it, just stating the facts).

Overwhelming majority of managers are former pro players, and most pro players are recruited straight out of high school (or younger) and from the caribbean/latin america.
 
2013-12-12 02:05:59 AM

Gosling: What the catcher is blocking sometimes depends on where the ball's coming in. First and foremost, he's got to get in front of the ball. If that place just happens to be in front of home plate when the runner's coming... I mean, home plate ISN'T like second and third or even first. The runner is required to pull up at second and third, so there's a place the fielder can be and always be safe from harm. The runner can and will run full-steam through home plate, so you have to be cognizant of that. He can run through first too, but there's designated lanes at first. There aren't at home.

Jack McDowell was on MLB Network earlier today saying that he's seen this already in place at some lower levels, and the result is actually an INCREASE in injuries, because runners and catchers are contorting themselves trying to get out of each other's way and end up farking up their legs and knees and ankles in the process.


That sounds like pure bullshiat
 
2013-12-12 02:07:31 AM

W.C.fields forever: ChrisDe: Fine, as long as the catcher can't block the plate either.

YEP!!!


RTFA. They can't
 
2013-12-12 02:45:20 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Gosling: What the catcher is blocking sometimes depends on where the ball's coming in. First and foremost, he's got to get in front of the ball. If that place just happens to be in front of home plate when the runner's coming... I mean, home plate ISN'T like second and third or even first. The runner is required to pull up at second and third, so there's a place the fielder can be and always be safe from harm. The runner can and will run full-steam through home plate, so you have to be cognizant of that. He can run through first too, but there's designated lanes at first. There aren't at home.

Jack McDowell was on MLB Network earlier today saying that he's seen this already in place at some lower levels, and the result is actually an INCREASE in injuries, because runners and catchers are contorting themselves trying to get out of each other's way and end up farking up their legs and knees and ankles in the process.

That sounds like pure bullshiat


The injuries are more from kids that don't know how to slide.
 
2013-12-12 07:23:47 AM

desertgeek: The way I understand it is this: catchers can not block the plate, runners can not run into the catcher. So there would have to be a clear path for the runner to get to home plate with the catcher obstructing with anything other than his glove with the ball in it.


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2013-12-12 07:45:35 AM

JSam21: HaywoodJablonski: Gosling: What the catcher is blocking sometimes depends on where the ball's coming in. First and foremost, he's got to get in front of the ball. If that place just happens to be in front of home plate when the runner's coming... I mean, home plate ISN'T like second and third or even first. The runner is required to pull up at second and third, so there's a place the fielder can be and always be safe from harm. The runner can and will run full-steam through home plate, so you have to be cognizant of that. He can run through first too, but there's designated lanes at first. There aren't at home.

Jack McDowell was on MLB Network earlier today saying that he's seen this already in place at some lower levels, and the result is actually an INCREASE in injuries, because runners and catchers are contorting themselves trying to get out of each other's way and end up farking up their legs and knees and ankles in the process.

That sounds like pure bullshiat

The injuries are more from kids that don't know how to slide.


So these kids who don't know how to slide are somehow more coordinated when throwing themselves at and/or dodging the catcher?
 
2013-12-12 07:59:56 AM

HaywoodJablonski: JSam21: HaywoodJablonski: Gosling: What the catcher is blocking sometimes depends on where the ball's coming in. First and foremost, he's got to get in front of the ball. If that place just happens to be in front of home plate when the runner's coming... I mean, home plate ISN'T like second and third or even first. The runner is required to pull up at second and third, so there's a place the fielder can be and always be safe from harm. The runner can and will run full-steam through home plate, so you have to be cognizant of that. He can run through first too, but there's designated lanes at first. There aren't at home.

Jack McDowell was on MLB Network earlier today saying that he's seen this already in place at some lower levels, and the result is actually an INCREASE in injuries, because runners and catchers are contorting themselves trying to get out of each other's way and end up farking up their legs and knees and ankles in the process.

That sounds like pure bullshiat

The injuries are more from kids that don't know how to slide.

So these kids who don't know how to slide are somehow more coordinated when throwing themselves at and/or dodging the catcher?


Oh for fark sake that's not what I'm saying. The stats McDowell quoted show an increase in injuries at the youth level. Where kids are just learning how to do things, like slide.
 
2013-12-12 09:43:30 AM
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2013-12-12 10:06:45 AM

The mlb is the only league that allows this in the first place.  Every lower division will eject you for attempting a dislodging collision.  It's not necessary and the rules already address it, but the rules aren't enforced at home.  It's like the neighborhood call, against the rules but somehow sanctioned. In the end, slide. Hard slides into 2nd and 3rd happen all the time and this isn't what is being addressed here and doesn't need to be as no one in their right mind leads with their cleats. There is truly no need to truck the catcher.



/Sunday league catcher
//only bones Ive ever broke in my life were from collisions in baseball while covering the plate
 
2013-12-12 10:19:52 AM
I don't have strong feelings on this either way, but the "OMG THEY'RE SUCH PUSSIES!11!!!!1!1!11" argument is pretty lame
 
2013-12-12 11:04:58 AM

Rex_Banner: I don't have strong feelings on this either way, but the "OMG THEY'RE SUCH PUSSIES!11!!!!1!1!11" argument is pretty lame


Very very much this.
 
2013-12-12 01:49:33 PM
 
2013-12-12 11:56:48 PM
meanmutton: Honestly, I always thought that it was weird that baseball allowed this.  This is about as much of a non-contact sport as you can get without being golf up until it comes to a close play at the plate, when all of a sudden you're allowed to put a hit on the catcher that would get you suspended in football or hockey.


Agreed.
 
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