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2013-12-11 11:26:49 PM  
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He definitely was not spitting at the officers.
 
2013-12-11 11:26:56 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: man! between stomping on that family's pet parakeet and now a video if this.. all in just 2 short days!
WTF has happened to the police in this country.


This is the equivalent of a Fox News viewer saying wtf has happened to the poor people in the country because all they hear on Fox news is how they are welfare leeches who sit at home collecting checks playing xbox all day. Fox  News have a biased narrative and will only show you what they want their audience to see, just like how Fark have a biased narrative by greenlighting certain links in order to draw traffic. There is a reason why you will never see a story of a cop acting in heroism on this site, just like you will never hear a story of a welfare single mom working 2 jobs for minimum wage while her son sits unsupervised at home on Fox news.
 
2013-12-11 11:28:45 PM  
Sigh. Once more, from the top. Pay attention, Florida.

Dance like no one's watching...
Beat a dude half to death like everyone is.
 
2013-12-11 11:30:00 PM  
Due to the increased use of security monitors as well as individual smartphones, prevalence of police brutality being caught on camera has been widespread throughout the past few years.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-11 11:31:35 PM  
The reason America has so many pussies is because corporal punishment has become a no-no. I would take a beating over jail time if it were ever offered, and it would have a more deterrent effect on behavior. You can normalize any environment, even jail, you never get used to getting your ass kicked and you always remember why it happened.
 
2013-12-11 11:35:16 PM  

LaughingRadish: Giltric: Maybe all civil rights/civil lawsuits should be paid out of the pension fund.

The taxpayer is going to have to pick up the tab for cops like this....why not let he taxpayer pick up the tab in creative ways that hurts the cops and serves as a deterrent to other cops.

My solution has always been to require cops to obtain private insurance for such incidents.  Eventually the bad cops will be uninsurable and therefore unemployable as a sworn officer.


I like it. Malpractice insurance for cops.
 
2013-12-11 11:35:43 PM  

Dragonflew: Suckmaster Burstingfoam:

You never read about the many cops who don't stomp people's heads in.

You never read about the cops who don't shoot half a dozen bystanders.

You never read about the cops who don't kill family pets.

You never hear about the cops who don't take you to a hospital to get a camera stuffed up your colon.

You never hear about the cops who don't plot to murder and eat some chick.

Yeah, I agree. Someone should definitely do a story on that guy.


www.wotyougot.com

Bravo, Dragonflew!! You win the interwebs!
 
2013-12-11 11:36:24 PM  

hardinparamedic: ausfahrk: Sure we do...

And nothing of value was lost.

[imakeprojects.com image 326x435]


Actually quite a bit of value was lost. Log cabins don't grow on trees you know!

Also, the last possible shreds of LAPD's credibility. They are now known nationwide as the morons who can't tell a large black man from two older latin women and can't get one in the ten ring to save their own worthless lives. It would have better for all involved if they'd have had some balls to issue instead of sidearms.

Stonewall Jackson used to stand unmoving in the line of fire because that's what a man does, and no enemy struck him down. Meanwhile his own craven troops mistook him for a bad guy and shot him. Then the South Lost! Moral of the story? ALWAYS double check your target.
 
2013-12-11 11:36:30 PM  

Fallout Boy: SuperNinjaToad: man! between stomping on that family's pet parakeet and now a video if this.. all in just 2 short days!
WTF has happened to the police in this country.

This is the equivalent of a Fox News viewer saying wtf has happened to the poor people in the country because all they hear on Fox news is how they are welfare leeches who sit at home collecting checks playing xbox all day. Fox  News have a biased narrative and will only show you what they want their audience to see, just like how Fark have a biased narrative by greenlighting certain links in order to draw traffic. There is a reason why you will never see a story of a cop acting in heroism on this site, just like you will never hear a story of a welfare single mom working 2 jobs for minimum wage while her son sits unsupervised at home on Fox news.


Ok, great, most cops aren't total assholes!

Now, about the ones that are.... Why do all the "good" cops cover for them?

And why, when caught, do the assholes never get harshly penalized?
 
2013-12-11 11:39:32 PM  

doglover: Log cabins don't grow on trees you know!


Wait.
 
2013-12-11 11:39:48 PM  

sendtodave: Fallout Boy: SuperNinjaToad: man! between stomping on that family's pet parakeet and now a video if this.. all in just 2 short days!
WTF has happened to the police in this country.

This is the equivalent of a Fox News viewer saying wtf has happened to the poor people in the country because all they hear on Fox news is how they are welfare leeches who sit at home collecting checks playing xbox all day. Fox  News have a biased narrative and will only show you what they want their audience to see, just like how Fark have a biased narrative by greenlighting certain links in order to draw traffic. There is a reason why you will never see a story of a cop acting in heroism on this site, just like you will never hear a story of a welfare single mom working 2 jobs for minimum wage while her son sits unsupervised at home on Fox news.

Ok, great, most cops aren't total assholes!

Now, about the ones that are.... Why do all the "good" cops cover for them?

And why, when caught, do the assholes never get harshly penalized?


Are you trying to break your own "assholes" record from last night?  ;>p
 
2013-12-11 11:41:09 PM  
lh6.ggpht.com
 
2013-12-11 11:45:07 PM  

sendtodave: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: TV's Vinnie: Is it me or have cops from coast to coast become even more dangerous to the nation than terrorists?

You only ever read about the few bad apples, never the good cops who put their lives on the line every day to keep you and your family safe.

You never read about the many cops who don't stomp people's heads in.

You never read about the cops who don't shoot half a dozen bystanders.

You never read about the cops who don't kill family pets.

You never hear about the cops who don't take you to a hospital to get a camera stuffed up your colon.

You never hear about the cops who don't plot to murder and eat some chick.

It's only the few, rare bad apples that you hear about

It doesn't seem so rare.

How would you suggest taking power away from the assholes?


1. Someone above suggested civil suits have to come out of the pension fund. That would be one way. I remember when Rodney King got his settlement, and everyone was cheering F*CK YEAH! SHOW THOSE COPS!! except it didn't: It came out of the city of L.A.'s  account, which meant the taxpayers of the City, which meant everyone cheering F*CK YEAH SHOW THOSE COPS.

2. Hold the D.A.'s office accountable for investigating dirty/abusive cops. They are the ones who have to follow up on citizen's complaints and they are the ones who decide whether or not to charge those cops with crimes. Every time these threads come up and people shriek about bad cops not getting charged, guess what: It's not the cops' job to do anything but put them on leave. It's the District Attorney's. I've yet to see ANYONE hold them to account for not doing THEIR jobs.

3. Stop requiring police to do contradictory work. Nearly everyone expects police to: a) arrest bad guys, b) immediately, c) without error, d) without mercy; and at the same time i) arrest the RIGHT bad guys, ii) without hurting them, iii) without hurting anyone else, iv) without inconveniencing anyone else. One reason police went to Tasers is because of the hue&cry over seeing so many bruises on perps from excessive use of PR-24s. One reason we see SWAT teams armored up like Marines going into Fallujah is because people want barricaded suspects taken out of their hideouts NOW and not after a four-day standoff while they calmly talk him out--and that takes armor and firepower.

4. Disarm the police and put them back on foot; but provide immediate heavy weapons for backup when needed. Just as soldiers in enemy territory can do more to win "hearts and minds" when they can get out among the populace and interact with them, so law enforcement used to work better when beat officers actually knew the neighborhoods and the trouble spots. At the same time, criminals are better armed and meaner now than 50 years ago, so hardcore response is needed and should be available when necessary.

5. Assign one officer per patrol as the "designated shooter". One reason so many shootings seem to be overkill is that officers--like soldiers--are taught to empty their magazines. Police 9mms or Glocks hold 16 rounds, so if four officers are involved and all empty their pistols, that's a whopping 64 rounds that just got fired at the suspect. There should be an alpha, beta and delta designated shooter order, and no reloads unless facing multiple shooters.

6. One officer per patrol should have a head-mounted camera with a 30-second continuous loop, and a direct feed back to the patrol car. In any interaction with suspects, the officer presses a switch and it begins a live feed to the recording unit in the car. This could also be triggered remotely from the dispatch center upon receiving a 97-on scene call, in case of evolving situations.

7. All officers should be screened not less than every six months for signs of PTSD. Any officer deemed to be displaying early symptoms must be given mandatory counseling; if he/she does not show improvement, he/she must be assigned to different duties away from the streets until it improves. Alternatively, or to avoid this, duties could be rotated on and off the street to prevent traumatic stress from developing in the first place.

There's some ideas. Feel free to add your own.
 
2013-12-11 11:46:58 PM  

fusillade762: LaughingRadish: Giltric: Maybe all civil rights/civil lawsuits should be paid out of the pension fund.

The taxpayer is going to have to pick up the tab for cops like this....why not let he taxpayer pick up the tab in creative ways that hurts the cops and serves as a deterrent to other cops.

My solution has always been to require cops to obtain private insurance for such incidents.  Eventually the bad cops will be uninsurable and therefore unemployable as a sworn officer.

I like it. Malpractice insurance for cops.


Agreed, the incentive needs to be at a personal level based on acturial tables with the city not responsible for the actions. This needs to start at a state level, so you have a big enough pool. It will end brutality in no time at all.
 
2013-12-11 11:52:39 PM  

sendtodave: Fallout Boy: SuperNinjaToad: man! between stomping on that family's pet parakeet and now a video if this.. all in just 2 short days!
WTF has happened to the police in this country.

This is the equivalent of a Fox News viewer saying wtf has happened to the poor people in the country because all they hear on Fox news is how they are welfare leeches who sit at home collecting checks playing xbox all day. Fox  News have a biased narrative and will only show you what they want their audience to see, just like how Fark have a biased narrative by greenlighting certain links in order to draw traffic. There is a reason why you will never see a story of a cop acting in heroism on this site, just like you will never hear a story of a welfare single mom working 2 jobs for minimum wage while her son sits unsupervised at home on Fox news.

Ok, great, most cops aren't total assholes!

Now, about the ones that are.... Why do all the "good" cops cover for them?

And why, when caught, do the assholes never get harshly penalized?


It is not a cop only thing that people who work with each other cover each other's back and not "snitch" on each other. It happens in pretty much all occupations, and I would think especially so for jobs where your life depends on watching out for each other. I cant answer all these questions, because I do not know. All I can say is that a long time ago the mods have figured out that there is a sizeable contingent of cop haters on Fark due to the huge amounts of comments these threads get, and so stories of cop abuse gets disproportionally green. Mods are suppose to control the circle jerk, not encourage it. One of the many reasons why Fark has been going down hill and is fast becoming just a more obscure version of Reddit.
 
2013-12-11 11:53:54 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Riddle me this: why do frantic "union buster" conservatives always exclude police unions?


We don't.
 
2013-12-12 12:00:45 AM  
i1207.photobucket.com
yall are farking slippin'

/would've settled for a pic of Ad Rock.
 
2013-12-12 12:01:55 AM  

Fallout Boy: sendtodave: Fallout Boy: SuperNinjaToad: man! between stomping on that family's pet parakeet and now a video if this.. all in just 2 short days!
WTF has happened to the police in this country.

This is the equivalent of a Fox News viewer saying wtf has happened to the poor people in the country because all they hear on Fox news is how they are welfare leeches who sit at home collecting checks playing xbox all day. Fox  News have a biased narrative and will only show you what they want their audience to see, just like how Fark have a biased narrative by greenlighting certain links in order to draw traffic. There is a reason why you will never see a story of a cop acting in heroism on this site, just like you will never hear a story of a welfare single mom working 2 jobs for minimum wage while her son sits unsupervised at home on Fox news.

Ok, great, most cops aren't total assholes!

Now, about the ones that are.... Why do all the "good" cops cover for them?

And why, when caught, do the assholes never get harshly penalized?

It is not a cop only thing that people who work with each other cover each other's back and not "snitch" on each other. It happens in pretty much all occupations, and I would think especially so for jobs where your life depends on watching out for each other. I cant answer all these questions, because I do not know. All I can say is that a long time ago the mods have figured out that there is a sizeable contingent of cop haters on Fark due to the huge amounts of comments these threads get, and so stories of cop abuse gets disproportionally green. Mods are suppose to control the circle jerk, not encourage it. One of the many reasons why Fark has been going down hill and is fast becoming just a more obscure version of Reddit.


You sound like someone who is more concerned with the popularity of his ideas and not their actual validity.
 
2013-12-12 12:02:23 AM  

Fallout Boy: sendtodave: Fallout Boy: SuperNinjaToad: man! between stomping on that family's pet parakeet and now a video if this.. all in just 2 short days!
WTF has happened to the police in this country.

This is the equivalent of a Fox News viewer saying wtf has happened to the poor people in the country because all they hear on Fox news is how they are welfare leeches who sit at home collecting checks playing xbox all day. Fox  News have a biased narrative and will only show you what they want their audience to see, just like how Fark have a biased narrative by greenlighting certain links in order to draw traffic. There is a reason why you will never see a story of a cop acting in heroism on this site, just like you will never hear a story of a welfare single mom working 2 jobs for minimum wage while her son sits unsupervised at home on Fox news.

Ok, great, most cops aren't total assholes!

Now, about the ones that are.... Why do all the "good" cops cover for them?

And why, when caught, do the assholes never get harshly penalized?

It is not a cop only thing that people who work with each other cover each other's back and not "snitch" on each other. It happens in pretty much all occupations, and I would think especially so for jobs where your life depends on watching out for each other. I cant answer all these questions, because I do not know. All I can say is that a long time ago the mods have figured out that there is a sizeable contingent of cop haters on Fark due to the huge amounts of comments these threads get, and so stories of cop abuse gets disproportionally green. Mods are suppose to control the circle jerk, not encourage it. One of the many reasons why Fark has been going down hill and is fast becoming just a more obscure version of Reddit.


Reddit is bad?

It's quite popular...
 
2013-12-12 12:10:24 AM  
boy we love this dumb shiat clickbait these days, don't we? Gawker, BuzzFeed, Daily Fail and Opposing Views, fanboy pampering and circlejerk threads on the Geek and Entertainment tabs.

I mean I can't blame Drew for grabbing as much cash and sponsors as he possibly can; I'd do the same. It's just sometimes I'd like to be cuddled after I'm farked in the ass.

Also, doctor who is a children's show.
 
2013-12-12 12:11:51 AM  

sendtodave: Fallout Boy: sendtodave: Fallout Boy: SuperNinjaToad: man! between stomping on that family's pet parakeet and now a video if this.. all in just 2 short days!
WTF has happened to the police in this country.

This is the equivalent of a Fox News viewer saying wtf has happened to the poor people in the country because all they hear on Fox news is how they are welfare leeches who sit at home collecting checks playing xbox all day. Fox  News have a biased narrative and will only show you what they want their audience to see, just like how Fark have a biased narrative by greenlighting certain links in order to draw traffic. There is a reason why you will never see a story of a cop acting in heroism on this site, just like you will never hear a story of a welfare single mom working 2 jobs for minimum wage while her son sits unsupervised at home on Fox news.

Ok, great, most cops aren't total assholes!

Now, about the ones that are.... Why do all the "good" cops cover for them?

And why, when caught, do the assholes never get harshly penalized?

It is not a cop only thing that people who work with each other cover each other's back and not "snitch" on each other. It happens in pretty much all occupations, and I would think especially so for jobs where your life depends on watching out for each other. I cant answer all these questions, because I do not know. All I can say is that a long time ago the mods have figured out that there is a sizeable contingent of cop haters on Fark due to the huge amounts of comments these threads get, and so stories of cop abuse gets disproportionally green. Mods are suppose to control the circle jerk, not encourage it. One of the many reasons why Fark has been going down hill and is fast becoming just a more obscure version of Reddit.

Reddit is bad?

It's quite popular...


He seems mad at popular things. We are not supposed to talk about them.

I hear congress isn't popular. Is that safe to talk about or would their unpopularity make them a popular topic of discussion.

I'm confused.
 
2013-12-12 12:12:08 AM  

dahmers love zombie: Once again, the 95% of cops who are dirty go screwing it up for the 5% who are clean.  You'd think someone would come up with some way of fixing this.  The camera in the holding cell is a good start.  But we can go further:
1: Helmet/lapel cams for 100 percent of uniformed officers, on with HD video and stereo sound 100% of the time.  Footage to be streamed live to a third-party data company in charge with the safety of the data.  Change the criminal procedure to state that any arrest for which there can be found no cam footage of the arrest is not only immediately to be nullified by the first judge to see the case, but any/all officers with "missing" footage of the arrest are immediately put on unpaid leave until the technical issue is figured out.
2: all police departments of over 50 officers must have an ombudsman on call 24/7 who MUST BE CALLED upon request by any civillian contacted by the officers.  Now, if they abuse the privilege, we can write a criminal penalty into "intentional overuse of the ombudsman".  But everyone out there should have a number they can call at any time to get someone on their side looking at the crime  scene and evidence.
3: all police departments of under 50 officers must work with other local, small PDs to obtain the same ombudsman coverage as stated above.
4: Any police officer found to be hiding, destroying, or otherwise not preserving potentially exculpatory evidence shall be charged with Violation of Civilian Constitutional Rights, with a penalty exactly the same as the crime that the civilian was/was to be charged with.
5: Any police officer found to be escalating use of force outside of a clear need to do so will be charged with Battery on a Civillian by a Peace Officer, which will be a Felony of the same type as that state's statute for Battery on an LEO.
6: Any police officer found to be using force upon a restrained arrestee shall be charged with Aggravated Assault upon a Helpless Civillian, with a penalty identical to that of the state's statute for Aggravated Assault upon a LEO
7: Any police officer using an electrical device such as a Taser for the sole purpose of obtaining compliance shall lose their right to carry such weapon.  Any LEO deploying an electrical weapon solely due to the "attitude" of the subject shall be charged with Simple Batttery on a Civilian, punished exactly as that state's statutes punish battery upon a LEO.  They will also permanently lose their right to carry an electrical weapon.

That would work as a start, I think.


This is THE ONLY relevant response in this thread.

/feeling my inner hippie/radical tonight
//might be the vodka
///three slashes are for losers
 
2013-12-12 12:13:18 AM  

b.vimeocdn.com

 
2013-12-12 12:16:01 AM  

spamdog: boy we love this dumb shiat clickbait these days, don't we? Gawker, BuzzFeed, Daily Fail and Opposing Views, fanboy pampering and circlejerk threads on the Geek and Entertainment tabs.

I mean I can't blame Drew for grabbing as much cash and sponsors as he possibly can; I'd do the same. It's just sometimes I'd like to be cuddled after I'm farked in the ass.

Also, doctor who is a children's show.


Two "man, fark sucks" posts in a row. Wow.

You know that I do when I don't like a website?

I don't go to that website.


Besides, fark has never been about the articles. You can find these articles on any new aggregator. I'd guess there's a link to this article already somewhere on reddit.

No, fark is about the reactions to the articles. Fark is about the comments. That's what makes fark awesome. The commenters.

So, "wah, fark sucks" posts actually detract more from fark's core competency than a stale article does, really.

You suck worse than gawker.
 
2013-12-12 12:17:30 AM  

spamdog: boy we love this dumb shiat clickbait these days, don't we? Gawker, BuzzFeed, Daily Fail and Opposing Views, fanboy pampering and circlejerk threads on the Geek and Entertainment tabs.

I mean I can't blame Drew for grabbing as much cash and sponsors as he possibly can; I'd do the same. It's just sometimes I'd like to be cuddled after I'm farked in the ass.

Also, doctor who is a children's show.


A champion never biatches about the field of play.
 
2013-12-12 12:19:05 AM  

rkiller1: Triumph: Oh man, that teaser pic at the bottom leads to a seriously messed up gallery.

Though you gotta admit, the kneeling Mom was pretty tasty.


#20 shows nice trigger discipline, at least
 
2013-12-12 12:19:17 AM  

spamdog: boy we love this dumb shiat clickbait these days, don't we? Gawker, BuzzFeed, Daily Fail and Opposing Views, fanboy pampering and circlejerk threads on the Geek and Entertainment tabs.

I mean I can't blame Drew for grabbing as much cash and sponsors as he possibly can; I'd do the same. It's just sometimes I'd like to be cuddled after I'm farked in the ass.

Also, doctor who is a children's show.


Sure is. So is My Little Pony.
 
2013-12-12 12:21:42 AM  

SearchN: spamdog: boy we love this dumb shiat clickbait these days, don't we? Gawker, BuzzFeed, Daily Fail and Opposing Views, fanboy pampering and circlejerk threads on the Geek and Entertainment tabs.

I mean I can't blame Drew for grabbing as much cash and sponsors as he possibly can; I'd do the same. It's just sometimes I'd like to be cuddled after I'm farked in the ass.

Also, doctor who is a children's show.

Sure is. So is My Little Pony.


And Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
 
2013-12-12 12:25:25 AM  

DubtodaIll: Fallout Boy: sendtodave: Fallout Boy: SuperNinjaToad: man! between stomping on that family's pet parakeet and now a video if this.. all in just 2 short days!
WTF has happened to the police in this country.

This is the equivalent of a Fox News viewer saying wtf has happened to the poor people in the country because all they hear on Fox news is how they are welfare leeches who sit at home collecting checks playing xbox all day. Fox  News have a biased narrative and will only show you what they want their audience to see, just like how Fark have a biased narrative by greenlighting certain links in order to draw traffic. There is a reason why you will never see a story of a cop acting in heroism on this site, just like you will never hear a story of a welfare single mom working 2 jobs for minimum wage while her son sits unsupervised at home on Fox news.

Ok, great, most cops aren't total assholes!

Now, about the ones that are.... Why do all the "good" cops cover for them?

And why, when caught, do the assholes never get harshly penalized?

It is not a cop only thing that people who work with each other cover each other's back and not "snitch" on each other. It happens in pretty much all occupations, and I would think especially so for jobs where your life depends on watching out for each other. I cant answer all these questions, because I do not know. All I can say is that a long time ago the mods have figured out that there is a sizeable contingent of cop haters on Fark due to the huge amounts of comments these threads get, and so stories of cop abuse gets disproportionally green. Mods are suppose to control the circle jerk, not encourage it. One of the many reasons why Fark has been going down hill and is fast becoming just a more obscure version of Reddit.

You sound like someone who is more concerned with the popularity of his ideas and not their actual validity.


I'm not pro-cop or anti-cop. Most cops are good, a whole lot are assholes. I dont have a solution, I dont care about cops, and I dont have a fight to pick with anyone who hates or loves cops. All I have to say is that what you see on Fark does not correlation with reality, and this "cop abuse" epidemic you hear on Fark, like most epidemics you hear on news, are largely manufactured and blown out of proportion to draw traffic. A rational approach is to post and talk about the statistics of police misconducts and to talk about trends and rates. Posting a cop-hate thread every two days so that people think they cant jaywalk without getting shot is a disservice to the discussion, and it is what it is: a circle jerk, no matter how you spin it.
 
2013-12-12 12:27:06 AM  

doglover: Also, the last possible shreds of LAPD's credibility. They are now known nationwide as the morons who can't tell a large black man from two older latin women and can't get one in the ten ring to save their own worthless lives.


They could tell.  They just don't care.  There's no downside to killing a few random civilians here and there.
 
2013-12-12 12:27:19 AM  

Giltric: sendtodave: Fallout Boy: sendtodave: Fallout Boy: SuperNinjaToad: man! between stomping on that family's pet parakeet and now a video if this.. all in just 2 short days!
WTF has happened to the police in this country.

This is the equivalent of a Fox News viewer saying wtf has happened to the poor people in the country because all they hear on Fox news is how they are welfare leeches who sit at home collecting checks playing xbox all day. Fox  News have a biased narrative and will only show you what they want their audience to see, just like how Fark have a biased narrative by greenlighting certain links in order to draw traffic. There is a reason why you will never see a story of a cop acting in heroism on this site, just like you will never hear a story of a welfare single mom working 2 jobs for minimum wage while her son sits unsupervised at home on Fox news.

Ok, great, most cops aren't total assholes!

Now, about the ones that are.... Why do all the "good" cops cover for them?

And why, when caught, do the assholes never get harshly penalized?

It is not a cop only thing that people who work with each other cover each other's back and not "snitch" on each other. It happens in pretty much all occupations, and I would think especially so for jobs where your life depends on watching out for each other. I cant answer all these questions, because I do not know. All I can say is that a long time ago the mods have figured out that there is a sizeable contingent of cop haters on Fark due to the huge amounts of comments these threads get, and so stories of cop abuse gets disproportionally green. Mods are suppose to control the circle jerk, not encourage it. One of the many reasons why Fark has been going down hill and is fast becoming just a more obscure version of Reddit.

Reddit is bad?

It's quite popular...

He seems mad at popular things. We are not supposed to talk about them.

I hear congress isn't popular. Is that safe to talk about or would their unpopularity m ...


It is a manufactured popularity. Like the tea party, like the popularity of Sarah Palin. Do I have to spell it out for you?
 
2013-12-12 12:27:21 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: TV's Vinnie: Is it me or have cops from coast to coast become even more dangerous to the nation than terrorists?

You only ever read about the few bad apples, never the good cops who put their lives on the line every day to keep you and your family safe.

You never read about the many cops who don't stomp people's heads in.

You never read about the cops who don't shoot half a dozen bystanders.

You never read about the cops who don't kill family pets.

You never hear about the cops who don't take you to a hospital to get a camera stuffed up your colon.

You never hear about the cops who don't plot to murder and eat some chick.

It's only the few, rare bad apples that you hear about


Trust me... When i view this story, i look at the flaw of the man.... Yes, he happens to be a cop, and he did what he did while on the job, but the failure is all on him as a person... I don't blame cops.
 
2013-12-12 12:31:15 AM  

dahmers love zombie: Once again, the 95% of cops who are dirty go screwing it up for the 5% who are clean.  You'd think someone would come up with some way of fixing this.  The camera in the holding cell is a good start.  But we can go further:
1: Helmet/lapel cams for 100 percent of uniformed officers, on with HD video and stereo sound 100% of the time.  Footage to be streamed live to a third-party data company in charge with the safety of the data.  Change the criminal procedure to state that any arrest for which there can be found no cam footage of the arrest is not only immediately to be nullified by the first judge to see the case, but any/all officers with "missing" footage of the arrest are immediately put on unpaid leave until the technical issue is figured out.
2: all police departments of over 50 officers must have an ombudsman on call 24/7 who MUST BE CALLED upon request by any civillian contacted by the officers.  Now, if they abuse the privilege, we can write a criminal penalty into "intentional overuse of the ombudsman".  But everyone out there should have a number they can call at any time to get someone on their side looking at the crime  scene and evidence.
3: all police departments of under 50 officers must work with other local, small PDs to obtain the same ombudsman coverage as stated above.
4: Any police officer found to be hiding, destroying, or otherwise not preserving potentially exculpatory evidence shall be charged with Violation of Civilian Constitutional Rights, with a penalty exactly the same as the crime that the civilian was/was to be charged with.
5: Any police officer found to be escalating use of force outside of a clear need to do so will be charged with Battery on a Civillian by a Peace Officer, which will be a Felony of the same type as that state's statute for Battery on an LEO.
6: Any police officer found to be using force upon a restrained arrestee shall be charged with Aggravated Assault upon a Helpless Civillian, with a penalty identical to that ...


I would add one more:
7:  all police officers must under go a psychiatric  evaluation once a year, when these will happen will not be revealed until one week prior failure to appear for the appointment can be grounds for immediately terminations, exceptions can be made in case of emergencies once verified.

If the evaluation shows you are not fit for street duty officer will be assigned a desk job, be reassigned as a 911 operator or court bailiff  or be allowed to resign. Officers may return to street duty upon passing a psychiatric  evaluation but will be on probation for 1 year.
 
2013-12-12 12:31:19 AM  
Gyrfalcon,
1. Someone above suggested civil suits have to come out of the pension fund. That would be one way. I remember when Rodney King got his settlement, and everyone was cheering F*CK YEAH! SHOW THOSE COPS!! except it didn't: It came out of the city of L.A.'s account, which meant the taxpayers of the City, which meant everyone cheering F*CK YEAH SHOW THOSE COPS.

This is probably one of the weakest ideas, because although I hate providing incentives to police misbehavior, it should be something shared. Matched retirement funds, equipment fund, ect to provide a shared purpose. This could be cheated easily and probably is one of the weaker things.
2. Hold the D.A.'s office accountable for investigating dirty/abusive cops. They are the ones who have to follow up on citizen's complaints and they are the ones who decide whether or not to charge those cops with crimes. Every time these threads come up and people shriek about bad cops not getting charged, guess what: It's not the cops' job to do anything but put them on leave. It's the District Attorney's. I've yet to see ANYONE hold them to account for not doing THEIR jobs.
Make it a state or federal special position. The local DA has everything to lose by going for a cop.
3. Stop requiring police to do contradictory work. Nearly everyone expects police to: a) arrest bad guys, b) immediately, c) without error, d) without mercy; and at the same time i) arrest the RIGHT bad guys, ii) without hurting them, iii) without hurting anyone else, iv) without inconveniencing anyone else. One reason police went to Tasers is because of the hue&cry over seeing so many bruises on perps from excessive use of PR-24s. One reason we see SWAT teams armored up like Marines going into Fallujah is because people want barricaded suspects taken out of their hideouts NOW and not after a four-day standoff while they calmly talk him out--and that takes armor and firepower.

We need more aggressive police?
4. Disarm the police and put them back on foot; but provide immediate heavy weapons for backup when needed. Just as soldiers in enemy territory can do more to win "hearts and minds" when they can get out among the populace and interact with them, so law enforcement used to work better when beat officers actually knew the neighborhoods and the trouble spots. At the same time, criminals are better armed and meaner now than 50 years ago, so hardcore response is needed and should be available when necessary.
Agreed, keep don't militarize the police on local patrol. And we already have SWAT teams so no issue there.

5. Assign one officer per patrol as the "designated shooter". One reason so many shootings seem to be overkill is that officers--like soldiers--are taught to empty their magazines. Police 9mms or Glocks hold 16 rounds, so if four officers are involved and all empty their pistols, that's a whopping 64 rounds that just got fired at the suspect. There should be an alpha, beta and delta designated shooter order, and no reloads unless facing multiple shooters.

Not sure, this is a military engagement thing but I welcome your idea.

6. One officer per patrol should have a head-mounted camera with a 30-second continuous loop, and a direct feed back to the patrol car. In any interaction with suspects, the officer presses a switch and it begins a live feed to the recording unit in the car. This could also be triggered remotely from the dispatch center upon receiving a 97-on scene call, in case of evolving situations.
As long as police don't decided when they go on and off.

7. All officers should be screened not less than every six months for signs of PTSD. Any officer deemed to be displaying early symptoms must be given mandatory counseling; if he/she does not show improvement, he/she must be assigned to different duties away from the streets until it improves. Alternatively, or to avoid this, duties could be rotated on and off the street to prevent traumatic stress from developing in the first place.

Great idea.
There's some ideas. Feel free to add your own.

My ideas.
8-Cops are the ones that charge people with crimes, if they are found guilty of the same thing double it for cops that have the duty of arresting people
9-Doctors and police both have alot of control over people's lives. If doctors make a mistake they have insurance and one too many mistakes, no more job. Same for police. But only if the they step over the line of their defined duties. It will not be the same 'civilian review boards' we have now making those decisions when the lined is stepped however.
8-The use of compustat and broken windows can be a good thing, but it has also created a hyper-aggressive police force and the juking of stats. For instance causing people to be arrested for no reason (81st district/Schoolcraft) , and causing rapes to be misclassified as something else lower. If compustat/broken windows will be used together, it will not be used for bullshiat political reasons.
9-Put a check on what bullshiat police unions can get away with in defending they own. On that same note, lets create a series of federal standards so that bad cops don't go from place to place with bad catholic priests.
 
2013-12-12 12:32:48 AM  
Fallout Boy: All I can say is that a long time ago the mods have figured out that there is a sizeable contingent of cop haters on Fark due to the huge amounts of comments these threads get, and so stories of cop abuse gets disproportionally green.

Fark is filled with Cop-haters?

As far as I can tell, something like ten percent of Fark posters are current or retired Officers or family members.

Pretty much every thread about Police misconduct is filled with people saying if you don't want an Officer to kick your head in, you should have sucked him off when he told you too, or at least made sure you were born white.
 
2013-12-12 12:45:45 AM  

sendtodave: You know that I do when I don't like a website?

I don't go to that website.


Well, I'm going to continue to express my point of view. Fark's descent into yellow journalism is not inevitable.
 
2013-12-12 12:52:40 AM  

spamdog: boy we love this dumb shiat clickbait these days, don't we? Gawker, BuzzFeed, Daily Fail and Opposing Views, fanboy pampering and circlejerk threads on the Geek and Entertainment tabs.

I mean I can't blame Drew for grabbing as much cash and sponsors as he possibly can; I'd do the same. It's just sometimes I'd like to be cuddled after I'm farked in the ass.

Also, doctor who is a children's show.


Usually if there's a news story worth clicking on there are other sources.  I linked to one for this upthread somewhere.  I didn't have to click on Opposing Views to find it.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20131210/ARTICLES/131219956/1402/NEWS? T it le=Corrections-officer-arrested-over-mishandling-of-inmate


There.It has more details and is more objective and just as important they did the reporting themselves.  That last bit might be the most important of them all.  If we fail to support the news sites that actually get the story all we'll be left with is crap.

All of those sites you mention are crap as I'm sure you'd agree.  I refuse to click on any of them.
 
2013-12-12 12:56:40 AM  

Enemabag Jones: My ideas.
8-Cops are the ones that charge people with crimes, if they are found guilty of the same thing double it for cops that have the duty of arresting people
9-Doctors and police both have alot of control over people's lives. If doctors make a mistake they have insurance and one too many mistakes, no more job. Same for police. But only if the they step over the line of their defined duties. It will not be the same 'civilian review boards' we have now making those decisions when the lined is stepped however.
8-The use of compustat and broken windows can be a good thing, but it has also created a hyper-aggressive police force and the juking of stats. For instance causing people to be arrested for no reason (81st district/Schoolcraft) , and causing rapes to be misclassified as something else lower. If compustat/broken windows will be used together, it will not be used for bullshiat political reasons.
9-Put a check on what bullshiat police unions can get away with in defending they own. On that same note, lets create a series of federal standards so that bad cops don't go from place to place with bad catholic priests.


I like your ideas. I don't get that first one--you mean if cops are found guilty of a crime on duty, the penalty should be doubled? Like if a cop on duty gets caught committing robbery or rape, then double the penalty if convicted? I think that's fair.

I'd take your stats thing, and throw it out completely. Police performance, like teacher performance, should not be tied to arbitrary and easily tweaked things like arrest stats. Police performance should be tied (if to anything) to ultimate quality of arrest/conviction--i.e., not just did they arrest Junkie Scumbag, but did Junkie Scumbag get convicted AND did Junkie Scumbag's conviction make it through appeal? And this would also mean cutting close ties between the cops and the DA's office, thus making the DA actually do their job and not rubber stamping arrests so they can get lots of plea bargains.

There is zero reason, in 2013/14, why ANYONE--cops, priests, teachers, doctors--should be going from being fired in one jurisdiction to practicing in another jurisdiction without some kind of independent review board or oversight board, imo.
 
2013-12-12 12:59:54 AM  

spamdog: sendtodave: You know that I do when I don't like a website?

I don't go to that website.

Well, I'm going to continue to express my point of view. Fark's descent into yellow journalism is not inevitable.


Bud, you've been here long enough to know it is going to happen.
 
2013-12-12 01:02:32 AM  

spamdog: sendtodave: You know that I do when I don't like a website?

I don't go to that website.

Well, I'm going to continue to express my point of view. Fark's descent into yellow journalism is not inevitable.


www.quickmeme.com
 
2013-12-12 01:05:43 AM  

gfid: spamdog: boy we love this dumb shiat clickbait these days, don't we? Gawker, BuzzFeed, Daily Fail and Opposing Views, fanboy pampering and circlejerk threads on the Geek and Entertainment tabs.

I mean I can't blame Drew for grabbing as much cash and sponsors as he possibly can; I'd do the same. It's just sometimes I'd like to be cuddled after I'm farked in the ass.

Also, doctor who is a children's show.

Usually if there's a news story worth clicking on there are other sources.  I linked to one for this upthread somewhere.  I didn't have to click on Opposing Views to find it.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20131210/ARTICLES/131219956/1402/NEWS? T it le=Corrections-officer-arrested-over-mishandling-of-inmate


There.It has more details and is more objective and just as important they did the reporting themselves.  That last bit might be the most important of them all.  If we fail to support the news sites that actually get the story all we'll be left with is crap.

All of those sites you mention are crap as I'm sure you'd agree.  I refuse to click on any of them.


I'd like to know how many of the "good" sites of yesteryear are now hidden behind paywalls.
 
2013-12-12 01:31:58 AM  
Cops have a dangerous, high stress job. They have to assume that everyone they meet is a potential spitter. In order to protect themselves from spit, they have to forcefully take control of a situation. If you don't want to get head-slammed, you have to stop doing things to make cops think you're a threat, including salivation, coughing, and having allergies.
 
2013-12-12 01:36:05 AM  

dahmers love zombie: Once again, the 95% of cops who are dirty go screwing it up for the 5% who are clean.  You'd think someone would come up with some way of fixing this.  The camera in the holding cell is a good start.  But we can go further:
1: Helmet/lapel cams for 100 percent of uniformed officers, on with HD video and stereo sound 100% of the time.  Footage to be streamed live to a third-party data company in charge with the safety of the data.  Change the criminal procedure to state that any arrest for which there can be found no cam footage of the arrest is not only immediately to be nullified by the first judge to see the case, but any/all officers with "missing" footage of the arrest are immediately put on unpaid leave until the technical issue is figured out.
2: all police departments of over 50 officers must have an ombudsman on call 24/7 who MUST BE CALLED upon request by any civillian contacted by the officers.  Now, if they abuse the privilege, we can write a criminal penalty into "intentional overuse of the ombudsman".  But everyone out there should have a number they can call at any time to get someone on their side looking at the crime  scene and evidence.
3: all police departments of under 50 officers must work with other local, small PDs to obtain the same ombudsman coverage as stated above.
4: Any police officer found to be hiding, destroying, or otherwise not preserving potentially exculpatory evidence shall be charged with Violation of Civilian Constitutional Rights, with a penalty exactly the same as the crime that the civilian was/was to be charged with.
5: Any police officer found to be escalating use of force outside of a clear need to do so will be charged with Battery on a Civillian by a Peace Officer, which will be a Felony of the same type as that state's statute for Battery on an LEO.
6: Any police officer found to be using force upon a restrained arrestee shall be charged with Aggravated Assault upon a Helpless Civillian, with a penalty identical to that ...


8. As a condition of employment, each officer must carry at his or her OWN EXPENSE Professional Liability Insurance, with coverage starting at $5 million the first five years and optionally decreasing afterwards, with any and all awards resulting from their misconduct to be paid by their carrier fully before the city or state kick in.

Accountants, contractors, and plumbers carry this kind of insurance which is maybe a few hundred bucks a year. A computer consultant going onto a customer's site must carry this insurance in case they go bugf*ck nuts and assault a receptionist or throw a chair through a window or piss on the database server.

First time a cop gets caught beating the crap out of a civvie for no reason, the insurer pays out and his carrier jacks up his rates.

Next time he's viddied blanket-macing a sidewalk full of dinnergoers from the running bar of the ol' SWAT war wagon - just because - the insurer pays out and his carrier jacks up his rates.

Pretty soon Officer RoidRage can't afford his premiums anymore and has to go work at the mall harassing minorities, losing his former gummint job with the sweet benefits, guaranteed pension after a relatively short service (unlike almost all other municipal employees), zealous protection from the consequences of their most blatant felonious conduct by not only their employer but their ultrafanatical and unassailable holy police union (again, unlike other municipal employees - even Wisconsin Gov. Walker at the apex of his power didn't dare mess with the police union (f*ck teachers and everyone else of course)), and of course prejudicial presumption of innocence and truth in any court proceedings.
 
2013-12-12 01:43:39 AM  

Slaxl: The video looked like it went like this

Drunk person is drunk, saying "this man is a gentleman", in a way a drunk person might think is being friendly
coont of an officer apparently misunderstands and argues "he's just doing his job"
Drunk person is drunk and tries repeating it in hope it makes sense
coont of an officer is a coont, and so is his officer friends.

I honestly can't tell what happens next, he doesn't clear his throat, he makes like he might be blowing something out of his mouth, but it's definitely not spitting, but it's enough that I would expect a coont of a police officer to overreact.

coont of a police officer overreacts
His coont friends join in to overreact

Some elderly woman comes along to check out his head injury, while they all lie about how he spat.

They're all coonts, except the drunk guy, and the elderly woman.

I wouldn't say that to their face, of course, because I've already served my time in hospital after coming off the wrong end of a police officer's coontishness. I have no inclination to do it again, and I know all police officers aren't coonts, but those 3 in the video are clearly a bag of coonts each.

/drunk


THIS
Why werent the other officers arrested for failing to arrest the first officer?
Did they all lie on their reports?

FFS, they should all be charged under RICO.

WHY isnt it legal to shoot cops again?
THEY are a Clear and Present Danger
 
2013-12-12 01:51:19 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: I'd like to know how many of the "good" sites of yesteryear are now hidden behind paywalls.


Oddly enough, I don't hit that many paywalls.  It's an interesting phenomenon.  How do these news sites get paid?  Well, through ads of course, but I use Ad Block, so I ask again, how do they get paid?

I used to pay money to get a newspaper thrown at my front door every morning.  I haven't done that in a while because news is so cheap and easy to come by on the internet, but at what price does that come with?  Someone has to pay for the writers and editors of news sites.

Putting up free news sites seems like an unsustainable model to me.  A few years ago one of the newspapers near me had to close up shop.  Others have been snapped up by conglomerates and try to make you pay by limiting how many articles you can read each month, but they aren't very good at it.    The news becomes more generic and there's less depth to the articles.

It's an interesting problem for journalists and the companies that publish news.  Would I pay to get news?  Well, not when I can get it for free. For some reason I think things will change in a few years.  Small newspapers like the one in my town will have to partner up with larger newspapers and offer a subscription.  The big problem is who is going to cast the first stone?  Whoever does will lose page views like crazy because there are in fact very few exclusive stories.

I want local, state, national and international news.  I'd be willing to pay for it too.  Like I said, I used to get a paper delivered and it covered all of that shiat.    The NY Times is good, but they're not going to give me local news.  My local paper is okay, but I don't rely on them for anything other than local news.

We'll see what happens.  I think the market in news is in for a shake up and I actually wouldn't mind paying $5 a month for news and I hope sites like Opposing Views just die.
 
2013-12-12 01:57:51 AM  
Gyrfalcon,
Enemabag Jones: My ideas.
8-Cops are the ones that charge people with crimes, if they are found guilty of the same thing double it for cops that have the duty of arresting people
9-Doctors and police both have alot of control over people's lives. If doctors make a mistake they have insurance and one too many mistakes, no more job. Same for police. But only if the they step over the line of their defined duties. It will not be the same 'civilian review boards' we have now making those decisions when the lined is stepped however.
8-The use of compustat and broken windows can be a good thing, but it has also created a hyper-aggressive police force and the juking of stats. For instance causing people to be arrested for no reason (81st district/Schoolcraft) , and causing rapes to be misclassified as something else lower. If compustat/broken windows will be used together, it will not be used for bullshiat political reasons.
9-Put a check on what bullshiat police unions can get away with in defending they own. On that same note, lets create a series of federal standards so that bad cops don't go from place to place with bad catholic priests.

I like your ideas. I don't get that first one--you mean if cops are found guilty of a crime on duty, the penalty should be doubled? Like if a cop on duty gets caught committing robbery or rape, then double the penalty if convicted? I think that's fair.

I'd take your stats thing, and throw it out completely. Police performance, like teacher performance, should not be tied to arbitrary and easily tweaked things like arrest stats. Police performance should be tied (if to anything) to ultimate quality of arrest/conviction--i.e., not just did they arrest Junkie Scumbag, but did Junkie Scumbag get convicted AND did Junkie Scumbag's conviction make it through appeal? And this would also mean cutting close ties between the cops and the DA's office, thus making the DA actually do their job and not rubber stamping arrests so they can get lots of plea bargains.

There is zero reason, in 2013/14, why ANYONE--cops, priests, teachers, doctors--should be going from being fired in one jurisdiction to practicing in another jurisdiction without some kind of independent review board or oversight board, imo.


Regarding the stats, that is more about police management, not about the specific cops expectations. It is one of the reasons why cops might act like dicks when they would not normally, to make the numbers.

Regarding the police union/transfer thing, it is still a half-baked idea that needs more thought and presentation. Forget I said it.
 
2013-12-12 02:04:37 AM  

gfid: Putting up free news sites seems like an unsustainable model to me. A few years ago one of the newspapers near me had to close up shop. Others have been snapped up by conglomerates and try to make you pay by limiting how many articles you can read each month, but they aren't very good at it.


The LA Times tries to limit how many articles you can read each month, but if you just delete your cookies you can get unlimited access. It's a laughably easy limitation to get around, so far. I suspect other newspaper sites are the same way. If a lunkhead like me can so easily circumvent their "limitations", I don't see why anyone would pay $5/week to subscribe.
 
2013-12-12 02:08:30 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: gfid: Putting up free news sites seems like an unsustainable model to me. A few years ago one of the newspapers near me had to close up shop. Others have been snapped up by conglomerates and try to make you pay by limiting how many articles you can read each month, but they aren't very good at it.

The LA Times tries to limit how many articles you can read each month, but if you just delete your cookies you can get unlimited access. It's a laughably easy limitation to get around, so far. I suspect other newspaper sites are the same way. If a lunkhead like me can so easily circumvent their "limitations", I don't see why anyone would pay $5/week to subscribe.


Yeah, that works with nytimes, too, last I checked.
 
2013-12-12 02:19:26 AM  
I was trying to read the article, when this stupid picture popped up.
 
2013-12-12 02:23:20 AM  

gaspode: You know, he COULD have been spitting, but Im pretty farking sure that even in florida, spitting at a policeman is not sufficient cause to hit someones head against a tile wall hard enough to leave blood smears.

I mean it might be cause for a charge, or for restraint or even a mask or something, but potentially fatal head injuries are not a recognised method of ensuring compliance anywhere.


Someone's never been through BLET.
 
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