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2013-12-11 03:26:05 PM
Heh, was just watching the Neverending Story and joking with my wife about how easily people could come and go from the school building in those days.

(where "those days" = the eighties).
 
2013-12-11 03:26:44 PM
When an NBC reporter walks into a school with an AK-47, I'll get worried.
 
2013-12-11 03:26:52 PM
These aren't prisons. You can't seriously be shocked that they are not.
 
2013-12-11 03:28:32 PM
If you think that's easy, try walking into a hospital! They have huge doors wide open to the public!
 
2013-12-11 03:28:35 PM
Was the window next to the armored door, as armored as the door?
 
2013-12-11 03:29:43 PM

Kiwimann: Heh, was just watching the Neverending Story and joking with my wife about how easily people could come and go from the school building in those days.

(where "those days" = the eighties).


It isn't any different today at my daughter's school. I can walk in there without a problem, and I can't say that any adult has ever so much as asked me why I am there.
 
2013-12-11 03:30:01 PM

OtherLittleGuy: When an NBC reporter walks into a school with an AK-47, I'll get worried.


They will claim their pens are mightier than any weapon, so let's shoot at them and settle the matter once and for all.
 
2013-12-11 03:30:32 PM
Wow, just like people have been doing for over 100 years.

How odd.
 
2013-12-11 03:31:04 PM
NBC reporters were able to access school buildings and walk around at several New York-area schools,

...Just like you could at every single school I ever went to*. The very concept of "school security" boggles the mind. There is something very very wrong in a society if anyone even thinks this is necessary. Might as well go all the way and turn schools into supermax joints.

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*Well, i'm sure one of the teachers would have asked whether the person in question was a parent. Eventually.
 
2013-12-11 03:31:11 PM

guytoronto: If you think that's easy, try walking into a hospital! They have huge doors wide open to the public!


The hospital my DIL gave birth in has these little gps devices they put on babies that are supposed to prevent the doors from opening when you get near them to prevent people from stealing babies.


They place the gps device in the babies sock. It fell out when we were holding the baby.


security theatre at its finest.
 
2013-12-11 03:31:48 PM
Yes. We must be increasingly paranoid about school security and spend more tax money there. Evil drug dealers and crazy people are around every corner, waiting to harm your Tater Jr. Film at 11.
 
2013-12-11 03:31:55 PM
NBC reporters were able to access school buildings and walk around at several New York-area schools, two NBC investigations have found

yeah. You just go into a school, and sort of...walk around.
 
2013-12-11 03:32:13 PM
OtherLittleGuy


When an NBC reporter walks into a school with an AK-47, I'll get worried.

Be sure to buckle your seat-belt after that head-on collision too.

Nothing prevented your scenario.
 
2013-12-11 03:32:14 PM
Is this because schools shouldn't be run like prisons or the birthing ward at the local hospital? How does the psychological damage of treating children like they spend all day in a posh prison compare to the risk of someone shooting up their school?
 
2013-12-11 03:32:41 PM
Meh, 99% of the schools in the United States are like this. You can't, legally, lock or chain the doors during business hours. Plus, windows are just as easy to break.
 
2013-12-11 03:33:50 PM

lockers: Kiwimann: Heh, was just watching the Neverending Story and joking with my wife about how easily people could come and go from the school building in those days.

(where "those days" = the eighties).

It isn't any different today at my daughter's school. I can walk in there without a problem, and I can't say that any adult has ever so much as asked me why I am there.


Are you a white middle-aged woman?
 
2013-12-11 03:34:06 PM

bighairyguy: OtherLittleGuy: When an NBC reporter walks into a school with an AK-47, I'll get worried.

They will claim their pens are mightier than any weapon, so let's shoot at them and settle the matter once and for all.


The penis mightier?
 
2013-12-11 03:34:35 PM
So what, it's a school not a prison

Go away, scare-o-matic media
 
2013-12-11 03:35:46 PM

Giltric: guytoronto: If you think that's easy, try walking into a hospital! They have huge doors wide open to the public!

The hospital my DIL gave birth in has these little gps devices they put on babies that are supposed to prevent the doors from opening when you get near them to prevent people from stealing babies.


They place the gps device in the babies sock. It fell out when we were holding the baby.


security theatre at its finest.


Giltric: Was the window next to the armored door, as armored as the door?


Security theatre is wonderful.  As a friend who worked security once said, the more obvious the security, the less likely it works.

\favorite example was the discount store that had "random" security announcements every ten minutes
 
2013-12-11 03:35:46 PM

OtherLittleGuy: When an NBC reporter walks into a school with an AK-47, I'll get worried.


What a reporter with an AK-47* might look like:

meetthenewmedia.com

/I'm using the media definition of "AK-47"
 
2013-12-11 03:36:20 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: lockers: Kiwimann: Heh, was just watching the Neverending Story and joking with my wife about how easily people could come and go from the school building in those days.

(where "those days" = the eighties).

It isn't any different today at my daughter's school. I can walk in there without a problem, and I can't say that any adult has ever so much as asked me why I am there.

Are you a white middle-aged woman?


Middle aged white male. Also I don't wear trench coats or stuff my hands in my pockets.
 
2013-12-11 03:36:44 PM

guytoronto: If you think that's easy, try walking into a hospital! They have huge doors wide open to the public!


I remember a few years back when a TV station tried to sneak a camera crew into an operating room to show how lax hospital security was. They were quickly caught and arrested. Tried the old "we're reporters and we're allowed to break the law to get a story because the people have a right to know and stuff, and also it's not like we're terrorists, we just wanted to make you look bad on TV" defense. Got told to see how that would fly in court.
 
2013-12-11 03:37:01 PM
Big deal.  I remember when I was in school (80s/90s) every so often past students would come to visit (usually around this time of year when college was on a break or whatever.)

It's a school, not a prison, as someone else said.  But I was just saying to my friend this morning (I needed a ride to work): remember school bus STOPS? Back when buses didn't stop every two goddamned feet and screw up traffic? But beyond that, the parents now stand at the end of the driveway/in front of their house and put on a goddamned show, blowing kisses, waving, all but setting off fireworks and having a ticker tape parade because the kid is on the goddamned bus going to school.  I've seen people be less emotional saying goodbye to someone being shipped off to war in Afghanistan or moving across the country.

Given those displays (and that can't JUST be a CT thing, can it?) is it any surprise people are pants shiattingly terrified that someone could walk into a school?  The entire world is not out to kill your kids.... and really, this article is kind of disgusting sensationalism because we're coming up on a year since the incident in Newtown, CT happened and they want to get clicks from scared people.

This country seems to love to live in fear.
 
2013-12-11 03:38:02 PM
Bah. In the summer I walked through a park where kids were playing. I swear I got within arms reach of one of them and I wasn't even tased!!!
 
2013-12-11 03:38:45 PM
That's nothing. Some guy in Connecticut once got into a school after shooting his way through a glass window at the front of the school.
 
2013-12-11 03:39:59 PM

lockers: Kiwimann: Heh, was just watching the Neverending Story and joking with my wife about how easily people could come and go from the school building in those days.

(where "those days" = the eighties).

It isn't any different today at my daughter's school. I can walk in there without a problem, and I can't say that any adult has ever so much as asked me why I am there.


I can't get into my son's school without being buzzed in.

When I was 19 (mid-90s), I worked for a local newspaper and had to go to several local schools to get pics for their graduation tabloid. At three different schools I got asked why I wasn't in class. I guess security was much less strict then.
 
2013-12-11 03:40:40 PM
OH that's just terrible~ Think about those poor kids who were never in any danger!
 
2013-12-11 03:41:03 PM
That's not all, they let the kids play outside with at most a see through fence between them and potential threats. There's no barbed wire at the top of the fence and it's not even electrified. There's also no towers with spotlights and armed guards.
 
2013-12-11 03:42:29 PM
My wife teaches at a school where the doors are all locked and you need to basically buzz in and show a badge to be let in.

Maybe because it was after school was let out, but I basically flashed my work badge and they let me in without even having to sign in, which apparently they weren't supposed to do.

/shrug
 
2013-12-11 03:42:35 PM

talkertopc: That's not all, they let the kids play outside with at most a see through fence between them and potential threats. There's no barbed wire at the top of the fence and it's not even electrified. There's also no towers with spotlights and armed guards.


Don't be silly. Spotlights aren't needed because kids are at school during the day. Duh.
 
2013-12-11 03:44:13 PM

Giltric: guytoronto: If you think that's easy, try walking into a hospital! They have huge doors wide open to the public!

The hospital my DIL gave birth in has these little gps devices they put on babies that are supposed to prevent the doors from opening when you get near them to prevent people from stealing babies.


They place the gps device in the babies sock. It fell out when we were holding the baby.


security theatre at its finest.


Our hospital has RFID tags on bands and if the bands are cut it triggers an alarm and if the RFID gets anywhere near the doors they auto lock and set off all kinds of alarms.  On the ground and walls they have big warning signs.

My kids elementary school are pretty robust, inner and outer doors with only access through office for visitors.  But really what's a piece of glass if you really want to get in and do damage?
 
2013-12-11 03:49:31 PM

TNel: Giltric: guytoronto: If you think that's easy, try walking into a hospital! They have huge doors wide open to the public!

The hospital my DIL gave birth in has these little gps devices they put on babies that are supposed to prevent the doors from opening when you get near them to prevent people from stealing babies.


They place the gps device in the babies sock. It fell out when we were holding the baby.


security theatre at its finest.

Our hospital has RFID tags on bands and if the bands are cut it triggers an alarm and if the RFID gets anywhere near the doors they auto lock and set off all kinds of alarms.  On the ground and walls they have big warning signs.

My kids elementary school are pretty robust, inner and outer doors with only access through office for visitors.  But really what's a piece of glass if you really want to get in and do damage?


I don't understand what problem that is supposed to protect against. It won't stop an assault. Kidnappings don't happen inside schools unless it is a family member, which are most. It looks like it does something without actually doing anything. When I go into most banks they don't even have guards most of the time.
 
2013-12-11 03:50:39 PM

Kiwimann: Heh, was just watching the Neverending Story and joking with my wife about how easily people could come and go from the school building in those days.

(where "those days" = the eighties).


People weren't shooting up schools like they were CQB courses back then either.
 
2013-12-11 03:50:51 PM
SSB:

Two years ago, a student at my kid's elem school lied about someone taking her during her walk to school.  We went from hallways full of parents (friends, neighbors), to a table with clipboards "Please Sign In".  Thus ensued months of visits from Jack and Charlie Daniels, Peter Pan, Clark Kent, etc.  Then a sign went up: "Please Sign In With Your Real Name".  Then the halls became empty.  We lost the community-based security of recognizing which children belonged with whom, a hundred people looking out for kids went down to two, classroom involvement and presence went to nil, and still no method to actually control the access point (buzzed in, but avoid the office).

How the media sealed the deal was when they did this same stunt of entering the school..... but they did it AFTER school was dismissed and all the doors were open!  You can see my wife and kids walking past the reporter in their promos and story.

/no barbed wire on the fence yet
 
2013-12-11 03:52:18 PM
I can't wait to see this news segment.  It will be SENSATIONAL!!
 
2013-12-11 04:03:54 PM
C'mon, you've got all these kids running around like nuts, who is to say a couple missing every once in a while won't be missed?Yes, I'm old, and my kids are grown, so who cares?
 
2013-12-11 04:29:55 PM

lockers: Kiwimann: Heh, was just watching the Neverending Story and joking with my wife about how easily people could come and go from the school building in those days.

(where "those days" = the eighties).

It isn't any different today at my daughter's school. I can walk in there without a problem, and I can't say that any adult has ever so much as asked me why I am there.


I guess it varies by school / district.  At ours you have to sign in at the front desk and get a visitors badge (just one of those "Hello, my name is soandso" stickers.
 
2013-12-11 04:35:19 PM

Russ1642: talkertopc: That's not all, they let the kids play outside with at most a see through fence between them and potential threats. There's no barbed wire at the top of the fence and it's not even electrified. There's also no towers with spotlights and armed guards.

Don't be silly. Spotlights aren't needed because kids are at school during the day. Duh.


Well, the schools are teaching the kids to be environmentally responsible little citizens, so the spotlights are probably solar powered.
 
2013-12-11 04:39:29 PM
Bah, they had to change the locks at my school because everyone had a key. Including me. That's of course when it was closed evenings and weekends.

Come to think of it, very little ever got stolen. I figure it's because people were going in and out of the building at all hours and someone would have probably seen something.
 
2013-12-11 04:44:20 PM

FriarReb98: Giltric: guytoronto: If you think that's easy, try walking into a hospital! They have huge doors wide open to the public!

The hospital my DIL gave birth in has these little gps devices they put on babies that are supposed to prevent the doors from opening when you get near them to prevent people from stealing babies.


They place the gps device in the babies sock. It fell out when we were holding the baby.


security theatre at its finest.

Giltric: Was the window next to the armored door, as armored as the door?

Security theatre is wonderful.  As a friend who worked security once said, the more obvious the security, the less likely it works.

\favorite example was the discount store that had "random" security announcements every ten minutes


I've always thought Disneyland (CA, not FL) could teach lessons in security.  The bag check by the front gate is the most casual one I've ever seen, and there are a few unarmed guards roaming around, but you'd think a crowded world-famous place like that would have much tighter security.

Then you learn about the plainclothes security and the five gazillion hidden cameras all over...   totally unobtrusive until some one needs to be dealt with.
 
2013-12-11 05:00:49 PM

QueenMamaBee: lockers: Kiwimann: Heh, was just watching the Neverending Story and joking with my wife about how easily people could come and go from the school building in those days.

(where "those days" = the eighties).

It isn't any different today at my daughter's school. I can walk in there without a problem, and I can't say that any adult has ever so much as asked me why I am there.

I can't get into my son's school without being buzzed in.

When I was 19 (mid-90s), I worked for a local newspaper and had to go to several local schools to get pics for their graduation tabloid. At three different schools I got asked why I wasn't in class. I guess security was much less strict then.


Me either...I'm glad you said something I was starting to think my kid's school was terribly uptight since everyone else seemed to be stating they can walk into any school they want without pause.

You have to be buzzed in and there's cameras all over the place at my kid's school. Theater? Maybe, I'm sure someone with serious intention to fark shiat up could get through the doors. But it does prevent your run of the mill nutjob from walking in to flash the kids I guess.
 
2013-12-11 05:07:41 PM
I just stopped by to say "great headline, Subby".  You gave me a good laugh.
 
2013-12-11 05:32:55 PM
It's not that hard.

You can either have open campuses and sometimes there will be mass shootings; or they can be locked down like inner city schools, where there never are any mass killings, but the schools are like prisons.

Pick one.
 
2013-12-11 05:53:53 PM

Gyrfalcon: It's not that hard.

You can either have open campuses and sometimes there will be mass shootings; or they can be locked down like inner city schools, where there never are any mass killings, but the schools are like prisons.

Pick one.


I'll pick the one that statistically never happens.
 
2013-12-11 06:25:57 PM
Of course you can walk right in, they're farking schools not maximum security prisons for fark sake! Do these idiots actually expect armed guards and security checkpoints at every entrance?
 
2013-12-11 06:44:10 PM

Giltric: guytoronto: If you think that's easy, try walking into a hospital! They have huge doors wide open to the public!

The hospital my DIL gave birth in has these little gps devices they put on babies that are supposed to prevent the doors from opening when you get near them to prevent people from stealing babies.


They place the gps device in the babies sock. It fell out when we were holding the baby.


security theatre at its finest.


The hospital I delivered at attached it to an ankle bracelet on the baby and wrist bracelet on my SO and I. On the second day (I was in for four because I had a c-section), one of the nurses suggest we take a walk in the hall (mostly so that I was up and out of bed; the recovery process is easier if the patient goes on short, non-intensive walks) and let the baby look out the window. The only window was located next to a door ... so as soon as we were within a yard of the window, the hallway alarms went off.

Also, our room was at the end of the maternity ward hallway and thus close to a fire exit. The damn alarm was so sensitive that it kept going off if we were on the left side of the room, which was where the hospital bed was located.
 
2013-12-11 06:47:39 PM
Locking down my middle school and elementary school would be next to impossible. You know, with the doors that open up from the classroom to the outside and multiple entry and exit points around the perimeter (heck, the middle school was next to a green belt for electricity transmission lines. The fence line just stops at one point and there's no fence between the park and the school grounds).
 
2013-12-11 07:03:56 PM
He into a school in my district, walked in the opposite direction of the office, and was stopped by a staff member. Personally I think he should have been arrested for trespassing.
 
2013-12-11 07:09:45 PM
This is a faux investigation. Most schools are "public" meaning as long as you don't infringe on a students ability to learn, they are open campuses for the media.
 
2013-12-11 07:42:06 PM
"It's not just a matter of putting in technology," said Michael Dorn, executive director of Safe Havens International, a non-profit organization that conducts safety assessment for school districts across the country.

www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com


So this is what he does in between acting gigs and Comic-Con appearances. Fantastic!
 
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