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(Den of Geek (US))   "Eleven's hour is over, the clock is striking twelve" Trailer for Doctor Who 2013 x-mas special released   (denofgeek.us) divider line 25
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2013-12-11 05:06:31 PM  
3 votes:
I was told that if I liked my doctor, I could keep him.

Thanks a lot, Obama!
2013-12-11 08:46:40 PM  
2 votes:

WallyFenderson: Dwight_Yeast: quizzical: He "saved it" it in the sense that he convinced himself (retroactively - I LOVE time travel) not to blow the place up. And then time-locked it away from the rest of the universe.

And didn't we already know that Gallifrey was under TIme Lock?  Wasn't there a whole story arc with Timothy Dalton?

Gallifrey was time locked in the moment just before destruction, to be able to prevent anyone from altering the history.

What 8.5, 10 and 11 did was more of a time shift, thereby altering the history.


No, they did not alter history. At all.

The way we saw it in the special was how it always  happened. We just finally saw the truth, and The Doctor learned it along with us. He rememberedit differently for several regenerations because of the effects of crossing his own timeline (all Doctors except Smith's forgot exactly what happened that day). They even said that to everyone else Gallifrey would appear to be destroyed, and that only Smith's Doctor would recall how the events unfolded and what happened to Gallifrey because HE was the Prime timeline in this event.

No history was altered. Everything is as it always was. The only difference is that now The Doctor knows what really happened that day.
2013-12-11 06:51:30 PM  
2 votes:
I think everyone is missing the important question here: WHEN IS CAPALDI GOING TO BE ON CRAIG FERGUSON?!?
2013-12-12 03:37:55 PM  
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: if_i_really_have_to: I know all the "cool kids" are into Moffat bashing, but at least complain about things he actually wrote.

/He wrote A Study in Pink, A Scandal in Belgravia, and His Last Vow
//He also doesn't direct or produce the show

A Scandal in Belgravia is still terrible.

He and Gattis created the show on the London-Cardiff train while they were filming on a Gattis-penned episode of Doctor Who, so I'd imagine the two of them (and various others) still work out story arcs and little things like "how do  we kill Sherlock and then bring him back?" on the train.

/For those who don't know, Doctor Who is produced by BBC Wales for reasons which passeth understanding, probably having to with open-cut mines.
//And all the TV people in the UK live in or around London
///So everyone who works on the show commutes


And it's my favorite episode and was nominated for 13 Emmys.

I love how those in the minority bark their opinions as if they were the standard.
2013-12-12 01:31:04 AM  
1 votes:

bulsd: Rhypskallion: After the 50th, even a regeneration/villains unite story will just be kinda 'Meh'.   Which is exactly how Russell T Davies should depart the show.   Meh.

<blah blah from family>

Oh.  Davies is not leaving?   Well FARK.   He's the one who needs to go, not necessarily Smith.

Do you mean Moffett?  Davies has been gone for a long time...


Do you meant Moffat?  I think Moffet should come back.


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2013-12-11 07:41:30 PM  
1 votes:

cheer: In Mawdryn Undead,as I posted above, the Doctor SPECIFICALLY disputes this: "I can regenerate twelve times; I already have done so four times."



Rule number one: The Doctor Lies.
2013-12-11 07:25:46 PM  
1 votes:
1st Doctor to 2nd Doctor: Regeneration initiated by the TARDIS ( "It's part of the TARDIS. Without it, I couldn't survive. " ): Does not count.

2nd Doctor to 3rd Doctor: Regeneration initiated by the Timelords: Does not count.

3rd Doctor to 4th Doctor: Regeneration initiated by The Abbot K'anpo ("it just needs a little push"): Does not count.

4th Doctor to 5th Doctor: Regeneration initiated by "timey-wimey" future semi-incarnation The Watcher: Does Not Count.

5th Doctor to 6th Doctor: FIRST TRUE REGENERATION. The Doctor comments, "It feels different this time." It also goes a bit wonky, which isn't a surprise considering it's the first time he's had to perform the feat unaided in any way.

There: Four extra lives. No cheat codes required.
2013-12-11 06:54:50 PM  
1 votes:
Just to clear a few points up:

The Master did NOT get a new cycle of regenerations in The Five Doctors.  He was  promised a set if he rescued the Doctor, but he never got it.

Just because the High Council can give a new set of regenerations does not mean it's customer and not biology.  My cardiologist can give me a new heart, but that's absolutely still biology.  What is more, we can presume that it's non-trivial in the extreme, else why would Borusa bother with all of that Death Zone nonsense to get immortality?

Gallifrey is not time-locked.  It's frozen in a pocket universe, a moment in time, but it's not time-locked.  The Time War was time-locked (and presumably still is); since Gallifrey burned at the end (or appeared to), there would be no way to go back to Gallifrey without breaking the time-lock.  But now it's out there, waiting to be discovered.
2013-12-11 06:36:37 PM  
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: quizzical: He "saved it" it in the sense that he convinced himself (retroactively - I LOVE time travel) not to blow the place up. And then time-locked it away from the rest of the universe.

And didn't we already know that Gallifrey was under TIme Lock?  Wasn't there a whole story arc with Timothy Dalton?


Gallifrey was time locked in the moment just before destruction, to be able to prevent anyone from altering the history.

What 8.5, 10 and 11 did was more of a time shift, thereby altering the history.
2013-12-11 04:53:28 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-12-11 03:54:13 PM  
1 votes:
The Silence and Weeping Angels in the same episode?

So if I Silence turns turns around from a Weeping Angel does the Angel forget the Silence was there?
2013-12-11 03:46:20 PM  
1 votes:
Instead of arguing about the numbers, I would rather state that this looks like it will be AWESOME.  I've always thought that more Christmas specials could use a copious amount of explosions.

Oh, did anyone notice in the trailer Matt Smith looks old?  Yes, I've read the spoilers (really hard to avoid them, really)...but I have to say, he looks even more badass as a crotchety old guy.  This special is going to be great.
2013-12-11 03:44:06 PM  
1 votes:

cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14


The main problem with that is that it makes Tennant the twelfth and Smith the thirteenth Doctor, which would necessarily make Tennant's Metacrisis the Valeyard.  Which is... no.  The entire point of that character was to allow some version of the Doctor to experience the fleeting, ordinary life of a human that he'd been wistfully talking about for four freakin' seasons.  And to give Rose a consolation prize to get her out of everyone's hair.  To make him come back and try to steal the regenerations of his Time Lord self does a complete disservice to that resolution and I sincerely hope that's not the route Moffat is taking.

But, since he already turned the tragedy that spanned the first four seasons into irony with the retcon in the 50th, I won't hold my breath.

How to write a Moffat episode:
1. Start with a gimmick
2. Write the characters as tools to drive the gimmick, rather than a story to drive the characters
3. Ignore everything that has already been established
4. If something is too big to ignore, spend no more than 30 seconds handwaving it away.
5. Have someone repeat something incessantly
6. Have a monster that looks scary, but otherwise has no tangible motive other than "look scary".  And repeat stuff incessantly.
7. Kill off a character, but never permanently.  Feel free to kill them multiple times in one episode if you like.
8. Give everyone and everything important-sounding pseudonyms.
9. Have characters treat every minor revelation like the most profound and clever twist ever
10. Have a female character stand in a spotlight and give a monologue about how the Doctor is the bestest man ever
11. Have the Doctor stand in the spotlight and give a monologue about he's the bestest man ever, and have this monologue solve everything without the Doctor actually having to do anything
12. And most importantly: Tell, don't show!
2013-12-11 03:06:49 PM  
1 votes:

fawlty: cretinbob: Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

now THAT is interesting.  But, they still have River's regens to fall back on.


He didn't get extra regenerations from her; he just got healed.

The Doctor will be getting a new cycle of regenerations this Christmas.
2013-12-11 03:05:08 PM  
1 votes:

Unoriginal_Username: ManateeGag: i just started watching Matt Smith, and I can't stand him or Amy Pond.  I'm hoping it gets better and I sure hope 12 is better.

I think most had that reaction with Smith, but it does get better.

Looking forward to the new season

BunkyBrewman: Too bad they didn't expand the story line of Rory. That character definitely became more interesting as the show went on

I would like to see more of the Captain Jack/Face of Bo story line. Because they dropped that one like a bomb and that was it. I do agree though, Rory was an awesome character


Also, don't let Captain Jack end with "Miracle Day".  Holy fark, did that suck.  Give him one last good story.
2013-12-11 02:57:00 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-12-11 02:39:44 PM  
1 votes:
I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.
2013-12-11 02:39:15 PM  
1 votes:

ManateeGag: i just started watching Matt Smith, and I can't stand him or Amy Pond.  I'm hoping it gets better and I sure hope 12 13 is better.


FTFY.
2013-12-11 02:39:14 PM  
1 votes:

Rincewind53: kronicfeld: ManateeGag: i just started watching Matt Smith, and I can't stand him or Amy Pond.

We felt the same way; the change from David Tennant was just so abrupt. But he grows on you, as do Amy and Rory.

I had almost gotten tired of Tennant by the end of his run. Russell Davies had just made him so  broody that it became somewhat unbearable.


Honestly I didn't really get that feeling until Waters of Mars, where it was done specifically  because he was leaving.
2013-12-11 02:37:41 PM  
1 votes:
In before spamdog comes along and biatches about Doctor Who threads.
2013-12-11 02:33:36 PM  
1 votes:

Rhypskallion: After the 50th, even a regeneration/villains unite story will just be kinda 'Meh'.   Which is exactly how Russell T Davies should depart the show.   Meh.

<blah blah from family>

Oh.  Davies is not leaving?   Well FARK.   He's the one who needs to go, not necessarily Smith.


Do you mean Moffett?  Davies has been gone for a long time...
2013-12-11 02:33:26 PM  
1 votes:
Um, I have a request, if I may ... Can we dispense with the numbering arguments, for once, in a Fark Doctor Who thread? Those discussions get real tedious. Thanks.
2013-12-11 02:29:16 PM  
1 votes:
Nope, not going to watch it.  I refuse to watch it.  I've had enough of the spoilers reducing the suspense of what is coming next!

/probably going to watch it
2013-12-11 02:26:31 PM  
1 votes:
I am anticipating the room getting very, very dusty.
2013-12-11 12:49:32 PM  
1 votes:

ManateeGag: i just started watching Matt Smith, and I can't stand him or Amy Pond.


We felt the same way; the change from David Tennant was just so abrupt. But he grows on you, as do Amy and Rory.
 
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