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2013-12-11 08:30:53 PM

ArcadianRefugee: MindStalker: The Silence and Weeping Angels in the same episode?

So if I Silence turns turns around from a Weeping Angel does the Angel forget the Silence was there?

The viewer forgets when they look away from a Silent, not just because they don't see his face.

Also:

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OK that's an awesome image.
 
2013-12-11 08:36:09 PM

Fast Moon: Then... who else could it be? The Valeyard is defined as something that was created between his 12th and 13th regenerations, so if Smith really is on his 13th regeneration, the Valeyard would have to have been created between Tennant and Smith



No. As we keep pointing out, the Valeyard is an incarnation from between his 12th and "final" regenerations. They did not say "13th"... They said "final".
 
2013-12-11 08:38:28 PM

bloobeary: cheer: In Mawdryn Undead,as I posted above, the Doctor SPECIFICALLY disputes this: "I can regenerate twelve times; I already have done so four times."


Rule number one: The Doctor Lies.


Not this time.  It was a central plot point, not a throwaway remark.  The Doctor was clearly upset because he was being asked to give up all of his remaining lies.

Meanwhile, there's zero evidence to back up your "they didn't count" theory, PLUS Moffat has said that a central part of The Time of the Doctor will be the fact that the Doctor is out of regenerations.
 
2013-12-11 08:46:40 PM

WallyFenderson: Dwight_Yeast: quizzical: He "saved it" it in the sense that he convinced himself (retroactively - I LOVE time travel) not to blow the place up. And then time-locked it away from the rest of the universe.

And didn't we already know that Gallifrey was under TIme Lock?  Wasn't there a whole story arc with Timothy Dalton?

Gallifrey was time locked in the moment just before destruction, to be able to prevent anyone from altering the history.

What 8.5, 10 and 11 did was more of a time shift, thereby altering the history.


No, they did not alter history. At all.

The way we saw it in the special was how it always  happened. We just finally saw the truth, and The Doctor learned it along with us. He rememberedit differently for several regenerations because of the effects of crossing his own timeline (all Doctors except Smith's forgot exactly what happened that day). They even said that to everyone else Gallifrey would appear to be destroyed, and that only Smith's Doctor would recall how the events unfolded and what happened to Gallifrey because HE was the Prime timeline in this event.

No history was altered. Everything is as it always was. The only difference is that now The Doctor knows what really happened that day.
 
2013-12-11 09:41:17 PM
ZeroCorpse:

No, they did not alter history. At all.

If we define "History" as the recording of events as perceived by everybody else, then yes they altered history.   As we have already seen throughout all the previous seasons of NuWho; the rest of the Universe believes the Time-Lords to be lost.   They show up at no other point in the future, and if they had then the Doctor should have been able to detect their presence during his previous adventures.

What happened in the 50th (as specifically stated by 11) was he took the opportunity of meeting his past selves to offer an alternative to his decision to uses the Moment to Destroy both Gallifrey and the Daleks  as a last resort.   That he was able to change events after that decision is a direct alteration of events as  history recorded them, and was only possible because the Moment itself allowed the intervention.

Whether this altered "reality" to change what had happened before into what has happened now is all Timey-Wimey Sand-Shoes at this point.

It still doesn't answer the question of if (and when) a future Doctor is able to find and unfreeze Gallifrey, why the 9th thru 11th Doctors  (and the rest of the Universe) were not able to notice.   Unless there is a convoluted story of the Doctor then having to find another way to hide the planet so even his ability to sense others of his race would be blocked.
 
2013-12-11 09:48:35 PM

blackomne: Dwight_Yeast: quizzical: He "saved it" it in the sense that he convinced himself (retroactively - I LOVE time travel) not to blow the place up. And then time-locked it away from the rest of the universe.

And didn't we already know that Gallifrey was under TIme Lock?  Wasn't there a whole story arc with Timothy Dalton?

They mentioned that story arc in the episode. The commander said the high council was off making their own plans. Then when the doctor goes to save them he says the high councils plan failed.


Ah, I've watched the 50th a couple times and that hadn't sunken in.

ZeroCorpse: No history was altered. Everything is as it always was. The only difference is that now The Doctor knows what really happened that day.


Which was the whole point of the climatic scene where we see the other Doctors "hiding" in Galifrey Falls No More.
 
2013-12-11 09:50:21 PM
Thanks for the TF, Bathia_Mapes!
 
2013-12-11 10:40:33 PM
I absolutely hated Matt Smith when he started out.  And I can tell you exactly what it was about him that drove me crazy.  I referred to him as "The Doctor who yells." because that is what he did in every episode.  Spent half of it yelling for one reason or another.

Amy on the other hand I don't think I'll ever know if I liked her as a companion.  I mean yes I liked her but I'm not sure if it was because she was a good companion or because any time she was on screen all I could think about is how cute she is.  Well, except for the old version.  But even then I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating fish fingers.
 
2013-12-11 10:41:30 PM
1.  River didn't give the Doctor her remaining regenerations, she used them to heal him.  Think of it as the difference between giving him money vs. spending that money at a hospital to treat him.

2.  Using the Master as a reason why it is a rule and not biological (or other) is dumb.  Why?  Because he's the Master.  If it was just a rule would he wander around like the Crypt Keeper until he steals Nyssa's dad's body?  No.  He would say rules, scmules, I'm the Master.  I farking regenerate as often as I like.
 
2013-12-11 10:55:14 PM
I think the shots of 11 with a cane is interesting, considering the supposed spoilers that have leaked regarding the episode.
 
2013-12-11 11:21:04 PM
If I had to cast a Valeyard based on the new continuity:

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After all, we know he's in there somewhere.
 
2013-12-11 11:44:32 PM

PirateKing: If I had to cast a Valeyard based on the new continuity:

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After all, we know he's in there somewhere.


The episode explicitly explains who and what he is. He refers to himself as the Dreamlord, so I'll call him that. He's a psychic creation created from some seeds, or something like that, that were trapped and activated within the TARDIS. He's not an "actual", existing person(see: the Doctor flicking something through the Dreamlord, and he "flickers"). The Dreamlord is explicitly referenced as a manifestation of his darker side based on the psychic seed thingies, not as an actual regeneration.

Of course, it is Doctor Who, so anything can happen, but of all the possibilities for the Valeyard, I find the Dreamlord to be pretty low on the list.
 
2013-12-12 12:00:13 AM

Mad_Radhu: I think the shots of 11 with a cane is interesting, considering the supposed spoilers that have leaked regarding the episode.


Yeah...it looks like this is going to be a very "Christmassy" episode indeed.

/sarcasm
//really, though, it looks like it will be awesome
 
2013-12-12 12:27:03 AM

BunkyBrewman: Stick with it.  We all loved David Tennant, but Smith has done a decent job as the Doctor.


No we didn't.
 
2013-12-12 12:31:05 AM

mjbok: 1.  River didn't give the Doctor her remaining regenerations, she used them to heal him.  Think of it as the difference between giving him money vs. spending that money at a hospital to treat him.

2.  Using the Master as a reason why it is a rule and not biological (or other) is dumb.  Why?  Because he's the Master.  If it was just a rule would he wander around like the Crypt Keeper until he steals Nyssa's dad's body?  No.  He would say rules, scmules, I'm the Master.  I farking regenerate as often as I like.


The Doctor does  not have a limit on his regenerations.  How do I know this?  There is no fark'n way BBC will let this massive money generator end because of a rule made up on the spot in some writers room 40ish years ago.

/this line of debate is completely silly
 
2013-12-12 12:48:23 AM

grumpfuff: PirateKing: If I had to cast a Valeyard based on the new continuity:

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After all, we know he's in there somewhere.

The episode explicitly explains who and what he is. He refers to himself as the Dreamlord, so I'll call him that. He's a psychic creation created from some seeds, or something like that, that were trapped and activated within the TARDIS. He's not an "actual", existing person(see: the Doctor flicking something through the Dreamlord, and he "flickers"). The Dreamlord is explicitly referenced as a manifestation of his darker side based on the psychic seed thingies, not as an actual regeneration.


That's the point of PirateKing's post: he would use that actor to play the Valeyard if he were able to cast that role.

Why?

Because he is a manifestation of the Doctor's darker side. Since we know regenerations can be controlled (cf. 8's regen into 9, Mel's "concentrating on a dress size", Yana's desire to be "young and strong" like the Doctor, etc), perhaps the Doctor, when he becomes the Valeyard, harkens back to his "Dreamlord" image and assumes it.
 
2013-12-12 01:17:21 AM

ArcadianRefugee: grumpfuff: PirateKing: If I had to cast a Valeyard based on the new continuity:

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After all, we know he's in there somewhere.

The episode explicitly explains who and what he is. He refers to himself as the Dreamlord, so I'll call him that. He's a psychic creation created from some seeds, or something like that, that were trapped and activated within the TARDIS. He's not an "actual", existing person(see: the Doctor flicking something through the Dreamlord, and he "flickers"). The Dreamlord is explicitly referenced as a manifestation of his darker side based on the psychic seed thingies, not as an actual regeneration.

That's the point of PirateKing's post: he would use that actor to play the Valeyard if he were able to cast that role.

Why?

Because he is a manifestation of the Doctor's darker side. Since we know regenerations can be controlled (cf. 8's regen into 9, Mel's "concentrating on a dress size", Yana's desire to be "young and strong" like the Doctor, etc), perhaps the Doctor, when he becomes the Valeyard, harkens back to his "Dreamlord" image and assumes it.


Problem is the Valeyard has already been cast as..whoever the actor was when he was on the show. To bring him back and cast him as someone else, they would need to explain it. Did the Valeyard regenerate again? Or change his form somehow else? I also seem to recall the Valeyard being killed off in one of the books, though admittedly that's not necessarily cannon.

To be blunt, I don't really see them bringing the Valeyard back. To me, dropping the name in "Name of the Doctor" was just a nod to the past, nothing more.
 
2013-12-12 01:22:15 AM

mjbok: River didn't give the Doctor her remaining regenerations, she used them to heal him.


cheer: He didn't get extra regenerations from her; he just got healed.


Yes, and how did she heal him? For that matter, why did she need to heal him? He was dying, sure, but what normally happens when he is dying? He regenerates. That's the way it's always been; whenever he was dying he would regenerate before death.

But, since we know that 10 used up two regenerations, 11 was on the 12th, which means he had no more (if we go with the 12 regen limit is a physical one and not social custom). So Mel/River gave him hers in an attempt to save him, giving him the energy to regenerate. Only she gave up all of them "in one go" -- how many regenerations' worth of energy would he need to heal/regenerate but once?

Not to say that that will be what they go with, but it makes sense. Knowing Moffat, they'll go with something "clever" rather than the obvious one. After all, these are the people who said "Yeup, that's the Doc" when 'he' was shot at Silencio -- no way that's "a clone or a duplicate or something", "That most certainly is the Doctor. And he is most certainly dead" -- and then went ahead and made it "a clone or a duplicate or something".

So, basically, whatever.
 
2013-12-12 01:30:54 AM

grumpfuff: Problem is the Valeyard has already been cast as..whoever the actor was when he was on the show. To bring him back and cast him as someone else, they would need to explain it. Did the Valeyard regenerate again? Or change his form somehow else? I also seem to recall the Valeyard being killed off in one of the books, though admittedly that's not necessarily cannon.

To be blunt, I don't really see them bringing the Valeyard back. To me, dropping the name in "Name of the Doctor" was just a nod to the past, nothing more.


Well, yes. I was merely explaining the other guy's reasoning for why he cast that role that way; not saying the character would ever appear and why the Valeyard might look like that.

Going the other way, however: why might he look different from the one in the earlier broadcast? 1) That actor is too old to play the role again

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and 2) recasting a role isn't exactly a new idea in the realm of television. Sure, they usually go with someone who kinda-sorta looks like the previous actor, but not always.

As to how to explain it? "The Valeyard" is a title just like "The Doctor", so yeah, maybe the Valeyard did regenerate a few times between assumption of the name and the final regeneration.
 
2013-12-12 01:31:04 AM

bulsd: Rhypskallion: After the 50th, even a regeneration/villains unite story will just be kinda 'Meh'.   Which is exactly how Russell T Davies should depart the show.   Meh.

<blah blah from family>

Oh.  Davies is not leaving?   Well FARK.   He's the one who needs to go, not necessarily Smith.

Do you mean Moffett?  Davies has been gone for a long time...


Do you meant Moffat?  I think Moffet should come back.


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2013-12-12 01:32:55 AM

New Farkin User Name: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

I've seen arguments that Time Lords not regenerating past 13 was more of a social convention, custom or law, and not necessarily hard-wired into one's biology.


They already threw them out.

Remember how the Valeyard is there between the 12th and final regeneration? It's not like he decided to be just some other asshole - that's a whole regeneration.

Continuity that prevents the show from continuing will be shelved, obviously.
 
2013-12-12 01:32:59 AM
Of course, by Moffet, I mean Moffett.  I did get Moffat right though.
 
2013-12-12 01:48:40 AM

gingerjet: The Doctor does  not have a limit on his regenerations.  How do I know this?  There is no fark'n way BBC will let this massive money generator end because of a rule made up on the spot in some writers room 40ish years ago.

/this line of debate is completely silly


It is also obvious in every action movie that the hero is going to win in the end also, but the fun of the story is how he wins in the end. It's the same thing with this. We know that at some point the regeneration limit will be addressed and a loophole found. We just don't know when and how.
 
2013-12-12 02:36:32 AM

jonny_q: Same with Sherlock, if you saw the last episode, which I won't spoil. Ok, Moffat, you did the incredibly big thing.


Yep, totally Moffat's fault.  Oh wait, he didn't write The Reichenbach Fall, Stephen Thompson did.


jonny_q:  Now, you sure better be able to dig out of it.

Yep, totally Moffat's problem.  Oh wait, he didn't write The Empty Hearse, Mark Gattis did.


I know all the "cool kids" are into Moffat bashing, but at least complain about things he actually wrote.

/He wrote A Study in Pink, A Scandal in Belgravia, and His Last Vow
//He also doesn't direct or produce the show
///He's one of six executive producers, though
////With his wife and her mum
 
2013-12-12 03:09:07 AM

if_i_really_have_to: I know all the "cool kids" are into Moffat bashing, but at least complain about things he actually wrote.

/He wrote A Study in Pink, A Scandal in Belgravia, and His Last Vow
//He also doesn't direct or produce the show


A Scandal in Belgravia is still terrible.

He and Gattis created the show on the London-Cardiff train while they were filming on a Gattis-penned episode of Doctor Who, so I'd imagine the two of them (and various others) still work out story arcs and little things like "how do  we kill Sherlock and then bring him back?" on the train.

/For those who don't know, Doctor Who is produced by BBC Wales for reasons which passeth understanding, probably having to with open-cut mines.
//And all the TV people in the UK live in or around London
///So everyone who works on the show commutes
 
2013-12-12 04:16:13 AM

Rwa2play: grumpfuff: ArcadianRefugee: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

What rules? The Master was last seen on his -- what? -- 14th? 15th regeneration?

If he can do it, so can the Doc.

The Master was given a new set of regenerations by the Timelords. Granted, there is the whole "it's custom, not biology" argument out there.

Since they've made no reference otherwise, I'm assuming they did the same thing for the Doctor as well.

It has been referenced.  From the Tardis Database Wiki:
 One theory held that Cardinal Rassilon had been investigating a method of regenerating decayed and diseased tissue via a series of self-replicating, biogenic molecules. The cells of a Gallifreyan body would be repaired, restored and re-organised, resulting in a wholly new physical form. The brain cells would also be rearranged, though to a lesser extent; the new incarnation would retain the memories of the former incarnation, though the personality of the Time Lord or Lady could change, the degree of this change depending upon the Time Lord or Lady in question. Rassilon intended this mechanism only for the Gallifreyan elite. He also input a parameter of twelve regenerative cycles to avoid decaying biogenic molecules. (AUDIO: Zagreus)
Another explanation stated that Time Lords had triple-helix DNA: the third strand was added by Rassilon to enable regeneration. (PROSE: The Crystal Bucephalus)



BBC won't state what is canon and what is not, since it is too dififcult to define at this point.  However,  officially licensed stories on audio and book form are considered official in the Who universe.  So the above theories could be taken as correct, or not, depending on your point of view.
 
2013-12-12 04:40:00 AM

SpiritfireM: BBC won't state what is canon and what is not, since it is too dififcult to define at this point.


You can bet your ass that they have a bible, though, at least starting from Ten on.
 
2013-12-12 08:57:58 AM

Bazzlex001: There is also the option that the Master lied about the Valeyard. I am pretty sure this is still a possibility?


Possible, but unlikely. My guess is that the regeneration to Post-Twelve will involve some sort of radical change, such that Twelve really is The Doctor's last incarnation, From A Certain Point of View. What exactly that might mean, I've no clue, but I don't think the BBC will handwave this as "The Master was lying."
 
2013-12-12 09:02:02 AM

gingerjet: mjbok: 1.  River didn't give the Doctor her remaining regenerations, she used them to heal him.  Think of it as the difference between giving him money vs. spending that money at a hospital to treat him.

2.  Using the Master as a reason why it is a rule and not biological (or other) is dumb.  Why?  Because he's the Master.  If it was just a rule would he wander around like the Crypt Keeper until he steals Nyssa's dad's body?  No.  He would say rules, scmules, I'm the Master.  I farking regenerate as often as I like.

The Doctor does  not have a limit on his regenerations.  How do I know this?  There is no fark'n way BBC will let this massive money generator end because of a rule made up on the spot in some writers room 40ish years ago.


I'd phrase it a little differently. The Doctor does indeed have a limit, but for exactly the reasons you cite, it is clear that he will somehow circumvent that limit. The real question is, how will he do it? We've seen half a dozen possibilities just in NuWho alone; all the BBC has to do is pick one when the time comes.
 
2013-12-12 09:02:03 AM

cheer: bloobeary: 1st Doctor to 2nd Doctor: Regeneration initiated by the TARDIS ( "It's part of the TARDIS. Without it, I couldn't survive. " ): Does not count.

2nd Doctor to 3rd Doctor: Regeneration initiated by the Timelords: Does not count.

3rd Doctor to 4th Doctor: Regeneration initiated by The Abbot K'anpo ("it just needs a little push"): Does not count.

4th Doctor to 5th Doctor: Regeneration initiated by "timey-wimey" future semi-incarnation The Watcher: Does Not Count.

5th Doctor to 6th Doctor: FIRST TRUE REGENERATION. The Doctor comments, "It feels different this time." It also goes a bit wonky, which isn't a surprise considering it's the first time he's had to perform the feat unaided in any way.

There: Four extra lives. No cheat codes required.

In Mawdryn Undead,as I posted above, the Doctor SPECIFICALLY disputes this: "I can regenerate twelve times; I already have done so four times."

But thanks for playing.


Rule 1: The Doctor lies
This rule is always in play no matter how long ago it was stated.

Secondly: Both can be correct as he could of regenerated 4 times previous but only 1 actually counted to his regeneration cycle.
 
2013-12-12 09:08:17 AM

SpiritfireM: BBC won't state what is canon and what is not, since it is too dififcult to define at this point.  However,  officially licensed stories on audio and book form are considered official in the Who universe.  So the above theories could be taken as correct, or not, depending on your point of view.


It's such a useless debate anyway. The only reason a concept of "canon" exists is because Gene Roddenberry wanted to reward one of his sycophantic flunkies, but was notoriously stingy with pay raises. So completely out of his ass, he invented the concept of a continuity manager to approve/disapprove licensed Star Trek works.

Two generations later, and 2/3 of every genre franchise's nerd debates revolve around the concept of "canon" and "non-canon." The writers and producers don't give a flying fark one way or the other. The script editors have a bible, and the showrunner will ultimately decide whether or not some random reference to book, cartoon, audio play, short story, or scribblings on a napkin can be referenced on screen.
 
2013-12-12 09:26:31 AM

Millennium: I'd phrase it a little differently. The Doctor does indeed have a limit, but for exactly the reasons you cite, it is clear that he will somehow circumvent that limit. The real question is, how will he do it? We've seen half a dozen possibilities just in NuWho alone; all the BBC has to do is pick one when the time comes.


Obviously they've already picked one, and if you've stumbled across the full summary of the Christmas Special (which is LOADED with spoilers), you already know what it is.

/Accidentally stumbled across it and read it
//Sorry I did, but no sense closing the barn door when the horse has already bought a house in Jamaica
 
2013-12-12 09:41:32 AM

cheer: //Sorry I did, but no sense closing the barn door when the horse has already bought a house in Jamaica


This is why you don't let your horse use the internet or have access to your credit cards. Marriage is dangerous enough on its own.

Also, this is possibly the nerdiest thread I've seen on Fark.
 
2013-12-12 09:57:38 AM

Feepit: cheer: //Sorry I did, but no sense closing the barn door when the horse has already bought a house in Jamaica

This is why you don't let your horse use the internet or have access to your credit cards. Marriage is dangerous enough on its own.


It's just...dammit, I thought we could trust each other.

Also, this is possibly the nerdiest thread I've seen on Fark.

It's definitely above the median, but I'm pretty sure I've seen nerdier.  But this is probably the best Who thread I've seen in a while.
 
2013-12-12 11:16:59 AM

MadSkillz: New Farkin User Name: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

I've seen arguments that Time Lords not regenerating past 13 was more of a social convention, custom or law, and not necessarily hard-wired into one's biology.

They already threw them out.

Remember how the Valeyard is there between the 12th and final regeneration? It's not like he decided to be just some other asshole - that's a whole regeneration.

Continuity that prevents the show from continuing will be shelved, obviously.


Actually I don't think the Valeyard is the doctor at all. They said he is a distillation of the doctor's darker side. I think he was pulled out of the doctor and became his own persona.
 
2013-12-12 11:27:19 AM

blackomne: Actually I don't think the Valeyard is the doctor at all. They said he is a distillation of the doctor's darker side. I think he was pulled out of the doctor and became his own persona.


Yeah, this.

Personally I doubt we'll see the Valeyard anytime soon.  I think the mention in The Name of the Doctor was just meant to be a nifty reference.
 
2013-12-12 11:50:23 AM
So is the 'afraid to talk like grownups' foreshadowing a possible change in the 'tone' of the Doctor's dialog in future seasons?
 
2013-12-12 11:55:06 AM

Rhypskallion: So is the 'afraid to talk like grownups' foreshadowing a possible change in the 'tone' of the Doctor's dialog in future seasons?


Could well be.  Especially given that we're getting an older actor in the role.
 
2013-12-12 12:21:10 PM

Esroc: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

They are. But people are going to argue about the naming convention for the entirety of Doctor Who's run from here on out. It's the U.N.I.T. dating protocol all over again.


Yeah but that's us out here, inside the show they never really called out the number implicitly just implied it.  Its just really always been "The Doctor"  as a character.
 
2013-12-12 12:52:48 PM

cheer: Millennium: I'd phrase it a little differently. The Doctor does indeed have a limit, but for exactly the reasons you cite, it is clear that he will somehow circumvent that limit. The real question is, how will he do it? We've seen half a dozen possibilities just in NuWho alone; all the BBC has to do is pick one when the time comes.

Obviously they've already picked one, and if you've stumbled across the full summary of the Christmas Special (which is LOADED with spoilers), you already know what it is.


Took me surprisingly long to find the summary. It's sensible, assuming it's real, but answering that question right now seems rather un-Moffat-ish. There are ways he could have left things unclear for at least another season: maybe even more, depending on how long Capaldi stays. I have trouble believing that Moffat would voluntarily answer this one so soon.

That's the only reason I have to doubt the preview, and I admit that it's perhaps too meta.
 
2013-12-12 01:41:18 PM

Millennium: Took me surprisingly long to find the summary. It's sensible, assuming it's real, but answering that question right now seems rather un-Moffat-ish. There are ways he could have left things unclear for at least another season: maybe even more, depending on how long Capaldi stays. I have trouble believing that Moffat would voluntarily answer this one so soon.


Maybe, but honestly if they'd just ignored the Stolen Earth/Journey's End regeneration, I would have been rather annoyed.  It counted; to me it always felt like it counted.  I mean, why wouldn't it?  So I was  relieved to learn Moffat was tackling this head-on.
 
2013-12-12 02:11:07 PM

Esroc: jonny_q: Akuinnen: BunkyBrewman:

Too bad they didn't expand the story line of Rory.  That character definitely became more interesting as the show went on.

I agree... I thought Rory was awesome. I guess they want the focus on the female companion these days. The swooning female companion is getting old for me. Well I should say "getting" it was annoying as soon as Rose did it.

I guess that's why people liked Donna. She didn't swoon. I would rather have had Martha stick around a lot longer and just not swoon.

Amy was fine. The whole swooning ended around the second episode. Watching she and Rory treat the Doctor basically as a son-in-law, even before he WAS one, was fun as hell.

Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

They are going to have to explain that shiat. That's what gets me about Moffet. When he wants to go big, he goes farking BIG.  BAM! The Doctor is now 200 years older, without much explanation what he did for 200 years. BAM! Now there's a whole regeneration we have shoehorned in without considering much how that affects things. Destroy the whole universe as if it never existed and then wake it up as if nothing happened? Sure thing!

Same with Sherlock, if you saw the last episode, which I won't spoil. Ok, Moffat, you did the incredibly big thing. Now, you sure better be able to dig out of it.

There's nothing to explain, really. Technically every Doctor after Hurt's has been bumped up one notch. Capaldi is the 13th Doctor. Technically. But before the events of DoTD the Doctor did not acknowledge that regen, even though he knew good and well that people referring to him as the 9th, 10th, or 11th regeneration was incorrect.

I'd like to see Capaldi just correct someone sometime during his run. Have someone refer to him as the 12th Doctor and he responds, "Thirteenth, actually" then goes about his business with no further explanation. It would put the whole argument to rest and further drive home the idea that The ...


But at least we know who the doctors room in the God Complex
 
2013-12-12 02:41:42 PM

onzmadi: But at least we know who the doctors room in the God Complex


I think you the whole thing.
 
2013-12-12 03:37:55 PM

Dwight_Yeast: if_i_really_have_to: I know all the "cool kids" are into Moffat bashing, but at least complain about things he actually wrote.

/He wrote A Study in Pink, A Scandal in Belgravia, and His Last Vow
//He also doesn't direct or produce the show

A Scandal in Belgravia is still terrible.

He and Gattis created the show on the London-Cardiff train while they were filming on a Gattis-penned episode of Doctor Who, so I'd imagine the two of them (and various others) still work out story arcs and little things like "how do  we kill Sherlock and then bring him back?" on the train.

/For those who don't know, Doctor Who is produced by BBC Wales for reasons which passeth understanding, probably having to with open-cut mines.
//And all the TV people in the UK live in or around London
///So everyone who works on the show commutes


And it's my favorite episode and was nominated for 13 Emmys.

I love how those in the minority bark their opinions as if they were the standard.
 
2013-12-12 03:41:29 PM

Dwight_Yeast: A Scandal in Belgravia is still terrible.


0/10, too obvious. Would not bite again.
 
2013-12-12 04:26:09 PM
Santa shows up and gives the Doctor a new set of regenerations, hurrah!
 
2013-12-12 05:01:22 PM

NathanAllen: Santa shows up and gives the Doctor a new set of regenerations, hurrah!


The punchline being that "Santa" is some kind of eldritch horror, more akin to Krampus than Santa as we typically think of him. He feeds off the pain of the people he hits with his switches.
 
2013-12-13 12:14:08 AM

cheer: Rhypskallion: So is the 'afraid to talk like grownups' foreshadowing a possible change in the 'tone' of the Doctor's dialog in future seasons?

Could well be.  Especially given that we're getting an older actor in the role.


Capaldi definitely had his "serious eyes" on in that brief glimpse from The Day of The Doctor. Playtime's over.
 
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