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2013-12-11 04:10:52 PM  

NeoCortex42: Unoriginal_Username: ManateeGag: i just started watching Matt Smith, and I can't stand him or Amy Pond.  I'm hoping it gets better and I sure hope 12 is better.

I think most had that reaction with Smith, but it does get better.

Looking forward to the new season

BunkyBrewman: Too bad they didn't expand the story line of Rory. That character definitely became more interesting as the show went on

I would like to see more of the Captain Jack/Face of Bo story line. Because they dropped that one like a bomb and that was it. I do agree though, Rory was an awesome character

Also, don't let Captain Jack end with "Miracle Day".  Holy fark, did that suck.  Give him one last good story.


Not just Jack, but all of the Torchwood team.
 
2013-12-11 04:11:16 PM  

NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.


What rules? The Master was last seen on his -- what? -- 14th? 15th regeneration?

If he can do it, so can the Doc.
 
2013-12-11 04:12:33 PM  

Rwa2play: NeoCortex42: Unoriginal_Username: ManateeGag: i just started watching Matt Smith, and I can't stand him or Amy Pond.  I'm hoping it gets better and I sure hope 12 is better.

I think most had that reaction with Smith, but it does get better.

Looking forward to the new season

BunkyBrewman: Too bad they didn't expand the story line of Rory. That character definitely became more interesting as the show went on

I would like to see more of the Captain Jack/Face of Bo story line. Because they dropped that one like a bomb and that was it. I do agree though, Rory was an awesome character

Also, don't let Captain Jack end with "Miracle Day".  Holy fark, did that suck.  Give him one last good story.

Not just Jack, but all of the Torchwood team.


What's left of it.
 
2013-12-11 04:17:32 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: MindStalker: The Silence and Weeping Angels in the same episode?

So if I Silence turns turns around from a Weeping Angel does the Angel forget the Silence was there?

The viewer forgets when they look away from a Silent, not just because they don't see his face.

Also:

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"So if I Silence turns turns around "

Did I really just stutter in written form? I need some sleep.
 
2013-12-11 04:20:18 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

What rules? The Master was last seen on his -- what? -- 14th? 15th regeneration?

If he can do it, so can the Doc.


The Master was given a new set of regenerations by the Timelords. Granted, there is the whole "it's custom, not biology" argument out there.
 
2013-12-11 04:24:52 PM  

grumpfuff: ArcadianRefugee: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

What rules? The Master was last seen on his -- what? -- 14th? 15th regeneration?

If he can do it, so can the Doc.

The Master was given a new set of regenerations by the Timelords. Granted, there is the whole "it's custom, not biology" argument out there.


Since they've made no reference otherwise, I'm assuming they did the same thing for the Doctor as well.
 
2013-12-11 04:29:45 PM  

grumpfuff: ArcadianRefugee: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

What rules? The Master was last seen on his -- what? -- 14th? 15th regeneration?

If he can do it, so can the Doc.

The Master was given a new set of regenerations by the Timelords. Granted, there is the whole "it's custom, not biology" argument out there.


If he was given new regenerations, then it is only custom. And if he was given 'em, the Doc can be given 'em too (or simply take 'em).

Either way: we know it can be done, so the fact that the Doc gets more shouldn't be all that "Ooo ahh" no matter how they go about it. All that remains to be seen is how they go about it.
 
2013-12-11 04:32:18 PM  

cheer: Rincewind53: kronicfeld: ManateeGag: i just started watching Matt Smith, and I can't stand him or Amy Pond.
We felt the same way; the change from David Tennant was just so abrupt. But he grows on you, as do Amy and Rory.
I had almost gotten tired of Tennant by the end of his run. Russell Davies had just made him so  broody that it became somewhat unbearable.
Honestly I didn't really get that feeling until Waters of Mars, where it was done specifically  because he was leaving.


Hell, Waters of Mars was one of the few times I actually liked Tennant. I mostly watched his run for the companions... Eccelston was definitely my doctor, and I liked Smith better than Tennant almost immediately.


Akuinnen: I agree... I thought Rory was awesome. I guess they want the focus on the female companion these days. The swooning female companion is getting old for me. Well I should say "getting" it was annoying as soon as Rose did it.


It wasn't until the Pandorica for Rory to be anything more than Mickey Junior... post-Pandorica, he probably became the best companion of NuWho (other than the Victorian incarnation of Clara).

I was okay with it for Rose - it fit her character well enough. Never bought it in Martha's case - Jack seemed like a much better "crush" for her than the Doctor.
 
2013-12-11 04:34:51 PM  

ManateeGag: i just started watching Matt Smith, and I can't stand him or Amy Pond.  I'm hoping it gets better and I sure hope 12 is better.


You are insane.  Matt Smith has been the perfect doctor.  Goofy.  Bold.  A touch of darkness boiling just beneath the surface.  He has it all, and all in perfect proportions.

But oh noes he doesn't have David Tennant's good looks!  Lets face it, 10th would not have been nearly as popular without such a pretty boy's face.  Tennant's doctor is the least of the new Who.  He was easily the least complex character, and thus the least interesting.  Granted he did start to improve towards the end, and the End of Time was a great showing for him.
 
2013-12-11 04:36:46 PM  

Rwa2play: grumpfuff: ArcadianRefugee: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

What rules? The Master was last seen on his -- what? -- 14th? 15th regeneration?

If he can do it, so can the Doc.

The Master was given a new set of regenerations by the Timelords. Granted, there is the whole "it's custom, not biology" argument out there.

Since they've made no reference otherwise, I'm assuming they did the same thing for the Doctor as well.


I actually have a sneaking suspicion his new regenerations are either going to be a) the custom, not biology argument, or b) the TARDIS's work. Of course, this is Moffet we're talking about, so I'm probably wrong.
 
2013-12-11 04:40:11 PM  

bk3k: ManateeGag: i just started watching Matt Smith, and I can't stand him or Amy Pond. I'm hoping it gets better and I sure hope 12 is better.

You are insane. Matt Smith has been the perfect doctor. Goofy. Bold. A touch of darkness boiling just beneath the surface. He has it all, and all in perfect proportions.

But oh noes he doesn't have David Tennant's good looks! Lets face it, 10th would not have been nearly as popular without such a pretty boy's face.


Right. Because all the guys out there who prefer Tenant to Smith do so because they're all gay for Tenant.

Smith is a poor man's version of Troughton. Troughton, though capable of being an adult, was child-like; Smith is childish.

Or, as Hurt's Doctor asked both of them, "What is it that makes you so ashamed of being a grownup?"
 
2013-12-11 04:40:46 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: as Hurt's Doctor asked both of them


"Tenant and Smith, not Troughton and x.
 
2013-12-11 04:41:13 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: cheer: New Farkin User Name: I've seen arguments that Time Lords not regenerating past 13 was more of a social convention, custom or law, and not necessarily hard-wired into one's biology.

I've seen those arguments, but they strike me as largely bullsh*t ones without any sort of evidence.  I mean, would the Master have really obeyed that custom or law?

Rhypskallion: Troughton never regenerated.  He was forced to change by the timelords.  IT DOESN'T COUNT!

SO:
1) Hartnell
2) Troughton/Pertwee
3) Baker I
4) that blonde guy who is Bob Denverish
5) Baker II
6) etc...

Except in Mawdryn Undead the Fifth Doctor clearly states that he's regenerated four times already.  So, here's what we've got:

1: Hartnell->Troughton
2: Troughton->Pertwee
3: Pertwee->T. Baker
4: T.Baker->Davison
5: Davison->C. Baker
6: C. Baker->McCoy
7: McCoy->McGann
8: McGann->Hurt
9: Hurt->Eccleston
10: Eccleston->Tennant
11: Tennant->Tennant (Stolen Earth/Journey's End, and yes, it counts)
12: Tennant->Smith

That's 12 of 12 consumed.  He's getting a new cycle of regenerations this Christmas.  Book it.

Taking a page from the DOT:

Hartnell - The 1963 Doctor
Troughton - The 1966 Doctor
Pertwee - The 1970 Doctor
Tom Baker - The 1974 Doctor
Davison - The 1981 Doctor
Colin Baker - The 1984 Doctor
McCoy - The 1987 Doctor
McGann - The 1996 Doctor
Eccleston - The 2005A Doctor
Tennant - The 2005B Doctor
Smith - The 2010 Doctor
Hurt - The 2013A Doctor
Capaldi - The 2013B Doctor


I made this for my daughter, since she was having a hard time keeping it straight (she started with the Eleventh Doctor, doesn't understand why the Tenth existed twice, etc). Maybe it will help others, too.

img.fark.net
 
2013-12-11 04:49:38 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: jonny_q: Same with Sherlock, if you saw the last episode, which I won't spoil. Ok, Moffat, you did the incredibly big thing. Now, you sure better be able to dig out of it.

He took that basic event right from the books. It wasn't HIS incredibly big thing.


In the books, as I understand it, there weren't really witnesses - correct me if I'm wrong. In the show, there were a shiatload of witnesses and it was pretty unambiguous onscreen.

I have two separate theories about Moriarty, too, and those are perfectly reasonable to me.

Anyways, I'm trying not to talk at it too much...
 
2013-12-11 04:49:56 PM  
Is anyone else getting a "Hamlet" vibe from this episode, as well?
 
2013-12-11 04:53:28 PM  
wlodb.com
 
2013-12-11 05:06:31 PM  
I was told that if I liked my doctor, I could keep him.

Thanks a lot, Obama!
 
2013-12-11 05:13:13 PM  
The War Doctor's regeneration into Capaldi's Doctor means that the three previous Doctors never happened.  Discuss.
 
2013-12-11 05:29:34 PM  

bingo the psych-o: The War Doctor's regeneration into Capaldi's Doctor means that the three previous Doctors never happened.  Discuss.


"War Doctor" did not regenerate into Capaldi's "Doctor".

Discussion over.
 
2013-12-11 05:30:18 PM  

Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.


The War Doctor is not counted in the numbering system: he himself disowned the title of Doctor out of necessity, and the later regenerations all agree that he should not carry the title. Or you could always go by the real reason Moffat gave: he didn't want to have to renumber all the NuWho doctors in his mind either. So while a certain Gallifreyan whose name is as yet known only to River Song and possibly his TARDIS has had twelve incarnations, only eleven of them have been called "The Doctor" (other than in the show's own credits). So it is that the Twelfth Doctor is actually the thirteenth incarnation of that being, because he is the twelfth incarnation to be called that.

Which brings up a question: people would have had to call the War Doctor something. What did they call him?
 
2013-12-11 05:34:59 PM  

New Farkin User Name: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

I've seen arguments that Time Lords not regenerating past 13 was more of a social convention, custom or law, and not necessarily hard-wired into one's biology.


Yup.  In "The Five Doctors" (I think), The Master was given a new set of regenerations for helping The Doctor at the request of the Time Lord Council. 

If The Doctor can manage to save Gallifrey from being destroyed, I would think he'd get a whole boatload of 1-Ups.
 
2013-12-11 05:45:27 PM  

WallyFenderson: New Farkin User Name: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

I've seen arguments that Time Lords not regenerating past 13 was more of a social convention, custom or law, and not necessarily hard-wired into one's biology.

Yup.  In "The Five Doctors" (I think), The Master was given a new set of regenerations for helping The Doctor at the request of the Time Lord Council. 

If The Doctor can manage to save Gallifrey from being destroyed, I would think he'd get a whole boatload of 1-Ups.


Or maybe they give him more lives because they depend on him to free them again.  Without him, they are sort of screwed.
 
2013-12-11 05:46:43 PM  

Millennium: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

The War Doctor is not counted in the numbering system: he himself disowned the title of Doctor out of necessity, and the later regenerations all agree that he should not carry the title. Or you could always go by the real reason Moffat gave: he didn't want to have to renumber all the NuWho doctors in his mind either. So while a certain Gallifreyan whose name is as yet known only to River Song and possibly his TARDIS has had twelve incarnations, only eleven of them have been called "The Doctor" (other than in the show's own credits). So it is that the Twelfth Doctor is actually the thirteenth incarnation of that being, because he is the twelfth incarnation to be called that.

Which brings up a question: people would have had to call the War Doctor something. What did they call him?


Biff.
 
2013-12-11 05:47:39 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

What rules? The Master was last seen on his -- what? -- 14th? 15th regeneration?

If he can do it, so can the Doc.


If they are going with canon the master is on his 31th regeneration. He used up the first set in the deadly assassin episode. He then stole tremas's body (14th). The timelord's gave him a second set in the the five doctor's episode. Then used them all up in the TV movie when he was executed by the daleks (26th). He then morphed into the snake and possessed another human(27th). The timelords resurrected him in the timewar (28th). Again a third set of regenerations was given to him. Escaped the time war and regenerated into YANA the professor (29th). Regenerated into Harold Saxon (30th). Resurrected?regenerated back into Harold Saxon (31st). And was sent back into the timewar with the rest of the timelords. He he can break the rules that badly. I think we are fine with the doctor coming back.
 
2013-12-11 05:51:19 PM  
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Master
 
2013-12-11 05:52:39 PM  

Skyd1v: Nope, not going to watch it.  I refuse to watch it.  I've had enough of the spoilers reducing the suspense of what is coming next!

/probably going to watch it


There's not much to it, really.
 
2013-12-11 05:53:47 PM  

Rincewind53: Russell Davies had just made him so broody that it became somewhat unbearable.


RTD is one of those people who can't just end something or walk away from it; he has to kill it and make you hate it.  If you don't believe me, watch the original Queer As Folk.  It's only about 18 episodes, a season and a half, and when RTD decided there was no reason to continue the story, he shat upon it and then rolled around it.

I'm so glad he hasn't done any more Torchwood since the miniseries, as he'd fark that up, too.
 
2013-12-11 06:00:41 PM  

Fast Moon: The main problem with that is that it makes Tennant the twelfth and Smith the thirteenth Doctor, which would necessarily make Tennant's Metacrisis the Valeyard. Which is... no.


In The Name of the Doctor, the Great Intelligence states that the Doctor will be known by many names before the end, including the Valeyard, so 10.2 couldn't be the Valeyard because the Doctor doesn't take that title until later.
 
2013-12-11 06:01:10 PM  

blackomne: ArcadianRefugee: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

What rules? The Master was last seen on his -- what? -- 14th? 15th regeneration?

If he can do it, so can the Doc.

If they are going with canon the master is on his 31th regeneration. He used up the first set in the deadly assassin episode. He then stole tremas's body (14th). The timelord's gave him a second set in the the five doctor's episode. Then used them all up in the TV movie when he was executed by the daleks (26th). He then morphed into the snake and possessed another human(27th). The timelords resurrected him in the timewar (28th). Again a third set of regenerations was given to him. Escaped the time war and regenerated into YANA the professor (29th). Regenerated into Harold Saxon (30th). Resurrected?regenerated back into Harold Saxon (31st). And was sent back into the timewar with the rest of the timelords. He he can break the rules that badly. I think we are fine with the doctor coming back.


My count might be high because of the whole dead dead. If you kill them again while they are regenerating. But I think I made my point.
 
2013-12-11 06:10:31 PM  

Stile4aly: Fast Moon: The main problem with that is that it makes Tennant the twelfth and Smith the thirteenth Doctor, which would necessarily make Tennant's Metacrisis the Valeyard. Which is... no.

In The Name of the Doctor, the Great Intelligence states that the Doctor will be known by many names before the end, including the Valeyard, so 10.2 couldn't be the Valeyard because the Doctor doesn't take that title until later.


Also, as mentioned up-thread, if I remember right the Valeyard is between his 12th and final regeneration, not 12th and 13th, so there is wiggle room.
 
2013-12-11 06:20:21 PM  
There is also the option that the Master lied about the Valeyard. I am pretty sure this is still a possibility?
 
2013-12-11 06:23:46 PM  

Stile4aly: Fast Moon: The main problem with that is that it makes Tennant the twelfth and Smith the thirteenth Doctor, which would necessarily make Tennant's Metacrisis the Valeyard. Which is... no.

In The Name of the Doctor, the Great Intelligence states that the Doctor will be known by many names before the end, including the Valeyard, so 10.2 couldn't be the Valeyard because the Doctor doesn't take that title until later.


Then... who else could it be?  The Valeyard is defined as something that was created between his 12th and 13th regenerations, so if Smith really is on his 13th regeneration, the Valeyard would have to have been created between Tennant and Smith.

Unless Moffat intends to retcon that, too, which is right up his alley.

The most likely scenario is that he namedropped the Valeyard in the finale before he even came up with the idea of Smith being the last incarnation, because Moffat is awesomest writer and no other writer but him can be trusted with handling the final regeneration, so he's entitled to completely shred the series' continuity to ensure he gets to do it.
 
2013-12-11 06:26:28 PM  

Fast Moon: so he's entitled to completely shred the series' continuity to ensure he gets to do it.


I think they did a pretty good job doing that years before Moffat showed up.

What I'm amazed at is that he can take all these non-connected elements by different writers over many years and find connections between them.

I also like the Sherlock shout-out at the beginning of the trailer;  I can't wait for New Year's Day.
 
2013-12-11 06:28:05 PM  

WallyFenderson: If The Doctor can manage to save Gallifrey from being destroyed, I would think he'd get a whole boatload of 1-Ups.


He "saved it" it in the sense that he convinced himself (retroactively - I LOVE time travel) not to blow the place up. And then time-locked it away from the rest of the universe.   I'm not sure I would be happy with the person who finally let me out of the prison he'd locked me into, even if the explanation was, "Well, my first idea was killing you but I went with this instead."
 
2013-12-11 06:31:24 PM  

quizzical: He "saved it" it in the sense that he convinced himself (retroactively - I LOVE time travel) not to blow the place up. And then time-locked it away from the rest of the universe.


And didn't we already know that Gallifrey was under TIme Lock?  Wasn't there a whole story arc with Timothy Dalton?
 
2013-12-11 06:34:00 PM  

s2s2s2: I was told that if I liked my doctor, I could keep him.

Thanks a lot, Obama!


+1
Would LOL again.
 
2013-12-11 06:36:37 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: quizzical: He "saved it" it in the sense that he convinced himself (retroactively - I LOVE time travel) not to blow the place up. And then time-locked it away from the rest of the universe.

And didn't we already know that Gallifrey was under TIme Lock?  Wasn't there a whole story arc with Timothy Dalton?


Gallifrey was time locked in the moment just before destruction, to be able to prevent anyone from altering the history.

What 8.5, 10 and 11 did was more of a time shift, thereby altering the history.
 
2013-12-11 06:36:43 PM  
Doctor Who/Sherlock crossover?

Please?


/KHAAAAAAAAAAAN!
 
2013-12-11 06:37:14 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: quizzical: He "saved it" it in the sense that he convinced himself (retroactively - I LOVE time travel) not to blow the place up. And then time-locked it away from the rest of the universe.

And didn't we already know that Gallifrey was under TIme Lock?  Wasn't there a whole story arc with Timothy Dalton?


They mentioned that story arc in the episode. The commander said the high council was off making their own plans. Then when the doctor goes to save them he says the high councils plan failed.
 
2013-12-11 06:40:19 PM  

WallyFenderson: New Farkin User Name: NeoCortex42: cretinbob: Dimensio: I thought that Eleven was now Twelve, making Mr. Capaldi Thirteen.

Smith is 13, Capaldi is 14

Interesting.  So I guess the Christmas special will be about throwing out the rules on regenerations.

I've seen arguments that Time Lords not regenerating past 13 was more of a social convention, custom or law, and not necessarily hard-wired into one's biology.

Yup.  In "The Five Doctors" (I think), The Master was given a new set of regenerations for helping The Doctor at the request of the Time Lord Council. 

If The Doctor can manage to save Gallifrey from being destroyed, I would think he'd get a whole boatload of 1-Ups.


Yes he saved the gallifreyans but the High council is the one to give him the new set of regenerations. And I am sure they don't like he so much for sending them back into the timewar and timelocking them in a picture.
 
2013-12-11 06:51:30 PM  
I think everyone is missing the important question here: WHEN IS CAPALDI GOING TO BE ON CRAIG FERGUSON?!?
 
2013-12-11 06:54:50 PM  
Just to clear a few points up:

The Master did NOT get a new cycle of regenerations in The Five Doctors.  He was  promised a set if he rescued the Doctor, but he never got it.

Just because the High Council can give a new set of regenerations does not mean it's customer and not biology.  My cardiologist can give me a new heart, but that's absolutely still biology.  What is more, we can presume that it's non-trivial in the extreme, else why would Borusa bother with all of that Death Zone nonsense to get immortality?

Gallifrey is not time-locked.  It's frozen in a pocket universe, a moment in time, but it's not time-locked.  The Time War was time-locked (and presumably still is); since Gallifrey burned at the end (or appeared to), there would be no way to go back to Gallifrey without breaking the time-lock.  But now it's out there, waiting to be discovered.
 
2013-12-11 07:18:41 PM  

s2s2s2: I was told that if I liked my doctor, I could keep him.

Thanks a lot, Obama!


If I had any free TF months left to give out, I'd give you two.
 
2013-12-11 07:25:46 PM  
1st Doctor to 2nd Doctor: Regeneration initiated by the TARDIS ( "It's part of the TARDIS. Without it, I couldn't survive. " ): Does not count.

2nd Doctor to 3rd Doctor: Regeneration initiated by the Timelords: Does not count.

3rd Doctor to 4th Doctor: Regeneration initiated by The Abbot K'anpo ("it just needs a little push"): Does not count.

4th Doctor to 5th Doctor: Regeneration initiated by "timey-wimey" future semi-incarnation The Watcher: Does Not Count.

5th Doctor to 6th Doctor: FIRST TRUE REGENERATION. The Doctor comments, "It feels different this time." It also goes a bit wonky, which isn't a surprise considering it's the first time he's had to perform the feat unaided in any way.

There: Four extra lives. No cheat codes required.
 
2013-12-11 07:26:48 PM  

s2s2s2: I was told that if I liked my doctor, I could keep him.

Thanks a lot, Obama!


Can you sign here for your truckload of Internets?
 
2013-12-11 07:29:35 PM  

bloobeary: 1st Doctor to 2nd Doctor: Regeneration initiated by the TARDIS ( "It's part of the TARDIS. Without it, I couldn't survive. " ): Does not count.

2nd Doctor to 3rd Doctor: Regeneration initiated by the Timelords: Does not count.

3rd Doctor to 4th Doctor: Regeneration initiated by The Abbot K'anpo ("it just needs a little push"): Does not count.

4th Doctor to 5th Doctor: Regeneration initiated by "timey-wimey" future semi-incarnation The Watcher: Does Not Count.

5th Doctor to 6th Doctor: FIRST TRUE REGENERATION. The Doctor comments, "It feels different this time." It also goes a bit wonky, which isn't a surprise considering it's the first time he's had to perform the feat unaided in any way.

There: Four extra lives. No cheat codes required.


In Mawdryn Undead,as I posted above, the Doctor SPECIFICALLY disputes this: "I can regenerate twelve times; I already have done so four times."

But thanks for playing.
 
2013-12-11 07:29:56 PM  

Fast Moon: The Valeyard is defined as something that was created between his 12th and 13th regenerations


grumpfuff: as mentioned up-thread, if I remember right the Valeyard is between his 12th and final regeneration, not 12th and 13th


/emphasis mine
 
2013-12-11 07:41:30 PM  

cheer: In Mawdryn Undead,as I posted above, the Doctor SPECIFICALLY disputes this: "I can regenerate twelve times; I already have done so four times."



Rule number one: The Doctor Lies.
 
2013-12-11 07:42:47 PM  

fusillade762: I think everyone is missing the important question here: WHEN IS CAPALDI GOING TO BE ON CRAIG FERGUSON?!?


Yet more Scottish charm?

And let's not forget: Doctor Who is a kids' show, right?
 
2013-12-11 07:57:51 PM  
cheer:

Gallifrey is not time-locked.  It's frozen in a pocket universe, a moment in time, but it's not time-locked.  The Time War was time-locked (and presumably still is); since Gallifrey burned at the end (or appeared to), there would be no way to go back to Gallifrey without breaking the time-lock.  But now it's out there, waiting to be discovered.

It's in the painting, of course.   Who painted the painting?   Who invited Capaldi to the party?   Who finished the equations that pocketuniversified Galifrey?    Who indeed.
 
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