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(The Raw Story)   Atheists and Christians lay claim to Nelson Mandela - but which was he?   (rawstory.com) divider line 31
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2013-12-11 12:00:08 PM
Don't care, doesn't matter since he wasn't a douche about it either way
 
2013-12-11 12:03:15 PM
He was a person.  Let's wait a year before everyone tries to plant their flags in his corpse.
 
2013-12-11 12:05:26 PM
Chances are he's already been "baptized" as Mormon somewhere in Utah, hell they have baptized not dead Elie Wiesel a few times
 
2013-12-11 12:10:57 PM
He was Edmond Dantés... and he was my father. And my mother... my brother... my friend. He was you... and me. He was all of us
 
2013-12-11 12:26:57 PM
Now that you bring it up, I don't know.

And since I didn't know then, I don't care now and if you think you can make me know or care, go fark yourself.
 
2013-12-11 12:27:12 PM
Does it really matter?

He wasn't perfect. He was human, like the rest of us.
 
2013-12-11 12:28:19 PM

machoprogrammer: Does it really matter?

He wasn't perfect. He was human, like the rest of us.


You gotta remember, some theological perspectives don't allow for good people who aren't believers.
 
2013-12-11 12:32:07 PM
"Ultimately, however, any doubts about Mandela's faith can be cleared up by reading the text of a speech that he gave to the Zionist Christian Church on Easter Sunday, April 20, 1992 in Moria, South Africa."


Did they have a cave troll?
 
2013-12-11 12:32:41 PM
I have it on good authority he was a member of the cult of Glycon.

/equally good authority to anyone claiming to speak authoritatively about the views of a man who kept his spiritual beliefs private and who have self-interest in calling him a champion of their cause
 
2013-12-11 12:38:10 PM
Well, he was a member of the communist party, so, atheist. QED.
 
2013-12-11 12:38:27 PM
He was a Fifth Level Laser Lotus Reformed Buddhist.  Now his essence is floating in an Energon Tube.
 
2013-12-11 12:43:37 PM
I would think that someone who hasn't repeatedly called himself Christian is not one.

Even if he wasn't Christian that doesn't prelude him from using Christian metaphors in giving a speech at the Zionist Christian Church because he felt that was language they could understand.

For those demanding an explicit statement where he declared himself an atheist, maybe he avoided doing so to avoid controversy and offending people.

George Washington was very reserved about his spiritual beliefs and seemed to reject Christianity however there is a whole industry devoted to proving that he really was a Christian.
 
2013-12-11 12:46:18 PM
You didn't ask while he was alive? Then don't try to claim him after he's gone and can't defend himself from your inevitable putting of ideas into his mouth.

The key difference between the modern world and previous eras is that we [are starting to] recognize that people get to determine and define their own identity. If someone wants an idea to be part of their public legacy, <i>they</i> have to publicize that idea. Mandela didn't do that with his religious ideas, if any, and trying to do so for him amounts to tearing up the legacy he did leave.
 
2013-12-11 12:46:23 PM

HairBolus: George Washington was very reserved about his spiritual beliefs and seemed to reject Christianity however there is a whole industry devoted to proving that he really was a Christian.


I say just stick to what we know about Washington.  He was a toothless, racist, white dude from Virginia....
 
2013-12-11 12:47:30 PM
...aaaaaand HTML wasn't enabled.
 
2013-12-11 12:51:56 PM
Sounds like he kept his beliefs private, and his actions were mostly good. If more people were like that, we would all win, regardless of "sides."
 
2013-12-11 12:55:20 PM

HairBolus: I would think that someone who hasn't repeatedly called himself Christian is not one.

Even if he wasn't Christian that doesn't prelude him from using Christian metaphors in giving a speech at the Zionist Christian Church because he felt that was language they could understand.

For those demanding an explicit statement where he declared himself an atheist, maybe he avoided doing so to avoid controversy and offending people.

George Washington was very reserved about his spiritual beliefs and seemed to reject Christianity however there is a whole industry devoted to proving that he really was a Christian.


Or atheist for that matter. 

Some people like to keep their religious beliefs private. It isn't rare.
 
2013-12-11 01:05:15 PM
Atheists and Christians Tards try lay claim to Nelson Mandela

Fixed
 
2013-12-11 01:16:02 PM
Who cares? He helped to liberate a country and that's all that matters.
 
2013-12-11 01:17:19 PM
I'm putting my money on Scientologist.
 
2013-12-11 01:36:36 PM

Slaxl: He was Edmond Dantés... and he was my father. And my mother... my brother... my friend. He was you... and me. He was all of us


His name was Robert Paulson.
 
2013-12-11 01:39:53 PM
He was African, wouldn't that make him Muslim?

/*ducks to avoid the barrage of tomatoes and rotten eggs*
 
2013-12-11 01:56:23 PM
I heard his last words were "Hail Satan".
 
2013-12-11 02:30:47 PM
He's not an asshole.

Are you an asshole who tries to advance your side alone and nobody else? If so then he's not on your side.
 
2013-12-11 02:50:04 PM

zedster: Chances are he's already been "baptized" as Mormon somewhere in Utah, hell they have baptized not dead Elie Wiesel a few times




this..
 
2013-12-11 03:16:04 PM
It looks to me like he simply believed in a creator in the most general sense.  That does not in any way mean he was a christian....  I think it is a perfect belief system.  Score another one for Nelson Mandela.
 
2013-12-11 03:29:33 PM

super_grass: He's not an asshole.

Are you an asshole who tries to advance your side alone and nobody else? If so then he's not on your side.


No, because he's dead and there's no such thing as an afterlife.
 
2013-12-11 07:59:02 PM
He was a space alien, kinda like Jesus.
 
2013-12-11 09:56:44 PM
Who cares? He was a secularist in how he ran his government and helped his country and did good in the world, so any religion he may or may not have had is completely irrelevant. Trying to label him with a religion or lackthereof is simply one side or the other trying to claim him so they can have him to point at when giving examples of people on their side doing good.

Fark that.

If you want to convince people that your side does good, convince them by living it, not by pointing to others who lived it.

/atheist, and I think trying to claim Mandela is stupid BS
 
2013-12-12 12:28:28 AM

James!: I heard his last words were "Hail Satan".


You mishead. It was actually "Hail Satin." He was admiring the lovely set of sheets he had on his deathbed.
 
2013-12-12 05:51:06 PM
He was a Christian -- though not a fundamentalist one -- who believed in having a secular government.
 
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