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(Orlando Sentinel)   In an surprising act of kindness, a city government has done the "rational" thing and agreed to let an autistic boy keep his therapy chickens. City council members were unsure of the action, saying they've never done anything "rational" before   (thesent.nl) divider line 68
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2013-12-11 03:17:09 PM  

Pick: People, roaming free, have a tendency to cause many, many, more problems


Like stealing chickens.
 
2013-12-11 03:23:45 PM  

Treygreen13: Diogenes: Treygreen13: The My Little Pony Killer: Treygreen13: ...therapy chickens?

Until they peck the kid's eyes out.

I mean, I'm happy for the kid that he gets to keep his pets, but I've been around chickens and I wouldn't say they were a particularly... uh... therapeutic animal.

I'm guessing you're not Republican.

Why?


You don't find chickens therapeutic (ie - "not farkable").
 
2013-12-11 03:25:54 PM  

Diogenes: Treygreen13: Diogenes: Treygreen13: The My Little Pony Killer: Treygreen13: ...therapy chickens?

Until they peck the kid's eyes out.

I mean, I'm happy for the kid that he gets to keep his pets, but I've been around chickens and I wouldn't say they were a particularly... uh... therapeutic animal.

I'm guessing you're not Republican.

Why?

You don't find chickens therapeutic (ie - "not farkable").


Well now that you're all stretched, time to go for a run!
 
2013-12-11 03:49:56 PM  
Good, but no roosters allowed. It doesn't matter whether they've got them for "therapy" or for some fresh eggs, there's no reason not to allow this. It's a couple steps below those horrible places that don't allow you to grow vegetables in your front yard.
 
2013-12-11 03:55:03 PM  
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:  Nothing against autistic kids, but they really should be kept out in the country.

I see you've been reading my newsletter about my proposal to house all autistic children on farms until such time as they can be harvested for their organs and meat.
 
2013-12-11 04:06:43 PM  

Ghastly: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:  Nothing against autistic kids, but they really should be kept out in the country.

I see you've been reading my newsletter about my proposal to house all autistic children on farms until such time as they can be harvested for their organs and meat.


Or in special camps, especially the kind where we can do "scientific" research on them.
 
2013-12-11 04:20:31 PM  

kitsuneymg: joness0154: InitialCommentGuy: So the local government is forced to back down on a valid concern due to a threat of an an expensive, meaningless lawsuit.

Truly a vvictoryfor victory for snowflakes everywhere.

And what valid concern is there by constituents raising a small amount of chickens in accordance with the law (no roosters, clean pens, fenced, etc.)?

IIRC, they have a rooster. The "therapy chickens" thing was a bullshiat excuse to keep their breeding flock.


I think the article said "hens"
 
2013-12-11 04:24:44 PM  

GDubDub: FTFA:  Three-year-old J.J. Hart is an autistic boy who would hardly speak and often threw temper tantrums nearly two years ago.

So in other words, he acted like any other kid his age?

Can you even reasonably diagnose autism at that age?

Not trolling.  Really want to know.


If we had known the signs, we could have spotted it at 12 months.

My son is relatively mild (on a good day), but was diagnosed at 15 months. He was not pointing, not talking at all, and showed several repetitive behaviors. He also did not make eye contact, did not respond to his own name, and took much longer to process muscle control, such as crawling.

If we thought chickens would help, we would have tried some.
 
2013-12-11 04:35:34 PM  

Treygreen13: Well now that you're all stretched, time to go for a run!


Everyone's a critic.
 
2013-12-11 04:58:50 PM  

Low Budget Dave: If we thought chickens would help, we would have tried some.


With autism if we had thought elephants and porcupines would have helped, we would have bought 3 of each.
 
2013-12-11 05:18:01 PM  

Peki: Ghastly: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:  Nothing against autistic kids, but they really should be kept out in the country.

I see you've been reading my newsletter about my proposal to house all autistic children on farms until such time as they can be harvested for their organs and meat.

Or in special camps, especially the kind where we can do "scientific" research on them.


Woah! Woah! Woah! I never said anything about camps. I'm not a nazi you know.
 
2013-12-11 06:27:56 PM  

Treygreen13: ...therapy chickens?


They'll love my therapy mosquitoes. I demand a right to have them. Even if they do sometimes get away and give malaria to the neighbors. It's my right after all.
 
2013-12-11 06:55:38 PM  
I really don't understand the objections.  We're talking about chickens in a yard, not in a small apartment.  They're no messier than dogs, no less sanitary than dogs, and certainly not as loud as some dogs.

My city allows up to 6 chickens in a backyard chicken coop with a permit.  I haven't heard of any complaints, and I believe only about a hundred permits have been issued.  Most people, myself included, aren't really interested in keeping chickens, so it never builds up to so many chickens that there's a nuisance.  It wouldn't bother me in the least if my next door neighbor had chickens, and this is an older part of the city, we've got pretty small lots.
 
2013-12-11 07:30:40 PM  

Ghastly: Peki: Ghastly: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:  Nothing against autistic kids, but they really should be kept out in the country.

I see you've been reading my newsletter about my proposal to house all autistic children on farms until such time as they can be harvested for their organs and meat.

Or in special camps, especially the kind where we can do "scientific" research on them.

Woah! Woah! Woah! I never said anything about camps. I'm not a nazi you know.


I just now realized you're the Ghastly mentioned by Clay in "Sexy Losers", "The Thin H Line" and so on.

I bet we have a Venn diagram of friends and associates. You might even know some of my Hamilton pals.

Woo...I just shivered a bit, right there. Like a therapy chicken pecked at my headstone.
 
2013-12-11 08:56:12 PM  
therapy chickens?

Kill that kid, he's too retarded to live.
 
2013-12-11 09:13:36 PM  

GDubDub: FTFA:  Three-year-old J.J. Hart is an autistic boy who would hardly speak and often threw temper tantrums nearly two years ago.

So in other words, he acted like any other kid his age?

Can you even reasonably diagnose autism at that age?

Not trolling.  Really want to know.


Yes, there are signs.

A baby can interact socially with the people around it, even if the communication isn't through words. They will look you in the eye, follow action in others' conversation, respond to being addressed, and so on.  After a year, a baby should at the least be babbling.

I also get the feeling that there may be something wrong with the kid's sensory input, which often goes hand in hand with autism. A sensory input disorder is one where your brain can't filter input, and too much goes through. Basically, if he's screaming nonstop at a year old, maybe it's because he can't stop feeling his clothes on his skin. That's my armchair analysis.

link for other stuffs:
http://www.helpguide.org/mental/autism_signs_symptoms.htm
 
2013-12-11 11:57:33 PM  
 
2013-12-12 02:51:27 AM  

Low Budget Dave: GDubDub: FTFA:  Three-year-old J.J. Hart is an autistic boy who would hardly speak and often threw temper tantrums nearly two years ago.

So in other words, he acted like any other kid his age?

Can you even reasonably diagnose autism at that age?

Not trolling.  Really want to know.

If we had known the signs, we could have spotted it at 12 months.

My son is relatively mild (on a good day), but was diagnosed at 15 months. He was not pointing, not talking at all, and showed several repetitive behaviors. He also did not make eye contact, did not respond to his own name, and took much longer to process muscle control, such as crawling.

If we thought chickens would help, we would have tried some.


It's difficult to diagnose young, and some kids of course are misdiagnosed. However all research has shown that the earlier there's intervention the better the outcome is, which is why it's not a bad idea to err on the side of caution if there are specific symptoms. My cousin's children were caught relatively early because my mother is trained to identify autistic symptoms (teacher, background in behavioral psych. advanced degrees, and worked with some autistic kids in the programs she did later in teaching at her district). I have a background in clinical psych. and did a research paper while in school on autism that dealt with early diagnosis. Even so, my mother waited for me to say something to her to confirm her suspicions. She talked to my cousin's mom and they relayed the info to her and she had her docs involved immediately. Both of her sons are severely autistic though, and will never be able to function in society. They will never be able to care for themselves, it's just not going to happen. One is completely non-verbal and the other isn't but their ability to interact meaningfully with the world in communicating their needs is severely incapacitated. Her third child was diagnosed early because of the other two have a diagnosis. They went full out with him, and his autism is MUCH less severe. He will be able to be a functional member of society, though his autism does make some things much harder.

There's absolutely no way to tell how much earlier intervention worked with the third. My cousin believes it made all the difference. However, she also believes vaccines can cause autism. I have tremendous empathy for her even though I do not agree with her not vaxxing the third child, because jesus if you saw what they go through...I couldn't do it. I really couldn't. I couldn't do it with ONE kid. She does it with three disabled kids.

Anyhoo the symptoms are often missed early because they're so subtle. It's often caught around the same age that kids get a big round of vaccines (thus the bad association coupled with an asshat UK doc who lied about his 'research') so it's understandable some parents make the association. Around the same age that toddlers start to become more verbal, many autistic spectrums become highly visible because the autistic toddler doesn't engage in it, and some other behaviors become much worse as they're being pushed to be like other toddlers. They may never have liked being touched, but now as they're being pushed more for such, they react even worse and are intensely frustrated at not being able to communicate, etc.

There's a lot of language disabilities that also become visable at this time, so parents shouldn't be paranoid that it's going to be autism. Generally what problems arise in this time for most kids are very mild and no biggie.

You can get lists of what to look for in infants, best to go with something by actual doctors and researchers with a credible institution. Poor eye tracking is much more likely to be a problem with the eyes, it's a combination of things.

And FWIW, while I never wanted children...it's stuff like this that makes me soooo glad I didn't have kids. No offense, it's just that dealing with kids period is so difficult, parents with disabled kids are goddamned saints who go through so much more than ANYONE else realizes. I don't think I could live up to that.
 
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