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(Orlando Sentinel)   In an surprising act of kindness, a city government has done the "rational" thing and agreed to let an autistic boy keep his therapy chickens. City council members were unsure of the action, saying they've never done anything "rational" before   (thesent.nl) divider line 68
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2013-12-11 12:21:17 PM
Yes, they did the rational thing. After the father threatened to sue them in Federal court.

That's like being proud of someone for surrendering to the police after six officers draw their weapons on him.
 
2013-12-11 12:37:39 PM

Pocket Ninja: Yes, they did the rational thing. After the father threatened to sue them in Federal court.

That's like being proud of someone for surrendering to the police after six officers draw their weapons on him.


I'm not quite sure how the city's solicitor let this happen.  It's not every day you get to argue in federal court and bill hundreds of hours to the taxpayers over an issue that is utterly stupid.  So there's a lot more to this story than they're telling us.
 
2013-12-11 12:56:06 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I'm not quite sure how the city's solicitor let this happen.  It's not every day you get to argue in federal court and bill hundreds of hours to the taxpayers over an issue that is utterly stupid.  So there's a lot more to this story than they're telling us.


I'm betting (hoping?) they got caught off guard when the internet outrage hit. This isn't the first time the interwebz have helped stop Floridian insanity.
 
2013-12-11 12:58:46 PM
...therapy chickens?
 
2013-12-11 12:59:28 PM
More chickens for the farking.
 
2013-12-11 01:00:10 PM
I liked my headline about the chickens getting pulled out of the fryer better.
 
2013-12-11 01:01:12 PM

Treygreen13: ...therapy chickens?


Until they peck the kid's eyes out.
 
2013-12-11 01:02:08 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Treygreen13: ...therapy chickens?

Until they peck the kid's eyes out.


I mean, I'm happy for the kid that he gets to keep his pets, but I've been around chickens and I wouldn't say they were a particularly... uh... therapeutic animal.
 
2013-12-11 01:04:49 PM

Pocket Ninja: Yes, they did the rational thing. After the father threatened to sue them in Federal court.

That's like being proud of someone for surrendering to the police after six officers draw their weapons on him.


True, but "progress" is a slippery, incremental thing. It's like an Operation Paperclip based on compassion, instead of a big pile of dead slaves.

Why I pseudo-Godwinned a post about some damaged kid's pets is beyond me.
 
2013-12-11 01:06:53 PM

Treygreen13: The My Little Pony Killer: Treygreen13: ...therapy chickens?

Until they peck the kid's eyes out.

I mean, I'm happy for the kid that he gets to keep his pets, but I've been around chickens and I wouldn't say they were a particularly... uh... therapeutic animal.


In my kid's "gifted" class, there are a few kids clearly on the spectrum, and I don't mean Reading Rainbow. Something as predictably repetitive as a chicken's progress through a yard with some tasty bugs would probably have the desired settling effect in the absence of, say, paint drying.
 
2013-12-11 01:07:58 PM

Treygreen13: ...therapy chickens?


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...not like this, I assume.

/though it's certainly therapeutic
//hot like Fire Rod-roasted cucco
 
2013-12-11 01:08:04 PM
and they were delicious
 
2013-12-11 01:08:11 PM

Pocket Ninja: Yes, they did the rational thing. After the father threatened to sue them in Federal court.

That's like being proud of someone for surrendering to the police after six officers draw their weapons on him.


Sometimes that's the best outcome.
 
2013-12-11 01:09:47 PM

Pocket Ninja: Yes, they did the rational thing. After the father threatened to sue them in Federal court.

That's like being proud of someone for surrendering to the police after six officers draw their weapons on him.


In NYC, that's the safest place to be standing.
 
2013-12-11 01:09:48 PM

Peki: Marcus Aurelius: I'm not quite sure how the city's solicitor let this happen.  It's not every day you get to argue in federal court and bill hundreds of hours to the taxpayers over an issue that is utterly stupid.  So there's a lot more to this story than they're telling us.

I'm betting (hoping?) they got caught off guard when the internet outrage hit. This isn't the first time the interwebz have helped stop Floridian insanity.


the attitude of the fark thread seemed more that the parents were wrong and the city council should have stood firm. apparently the rest of the internet disagreed?
 
2013-12-11 01:10:34 PM
Rational = the arguments for removing the chickens.
Rational = avoiding a lawsuit.

Irrational might have been the spark of compassionate forethought. Rational is not a default good. Neither is irrational is a default bad, we just made it that way out of fear.
 
2013-12-11 01:16:24 PM
In this one instance it's probably not a problem, but on a larger scale I could easily see this becoming a problem in suburban/urban areas. The sanitation issues, the noise, having them get loose and waned around the neighborhood and interacting with the normal children... Nothing against autistic kids, but they really should be kept out in the country.
 
2013-12-11 01:20:38 PM

Treygreen13: I mean, I'm happy for the kid that he gets to keep his pets, but I've been around chickens and I wouldn't say they were a particularly... uh... therapeutic animal.


Any animal can be therapeutic.

It's not really so much what the animal does that matters as how the person being therapified responds to the animal. Most people respond better to sympathetic creatures like dogs, sure, but if this kid responds to chickens... hey, it works. That's what matters.
 
2013-12-11 01:21:42 PM
In parts of Florida, like HIgh Springs, and Key West, chickens are allowed to roam free. And seldom, if ever cause problems. People, roaming free, have a tendency to cause many, many, more problems. Even when penned up, they are always looking for trouble.
 
2013-12-11 01:22:40 PM
The rapified?

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2013-12-11 01:23:54 PM

Valiente: Treygreen13: The My Little Pony Killer: Treygreen13: ...therapy chickens?

Until they peck the kid's eyes out.

I mean, I'm happy for the kid that he gets to keep his pets, but I've been around chickens and I wouldn't say they were a particularly... uh... therapeutic animal.

In my kid's "gifted" class, there are a few kids clearly on the spectrum, and I don't mean Reading Rainbow. Something as predictably repetitive as a chicken's progress through a yard with some tasty bugs would probably have the desired settling effect in the absence of, say, paint drying.


Im assuming its a tactile thing instead of a observational.  Rubbing soft chicken feathers might be effective for this kid when a soft blanket or other object had no effect.  We use a soft blanket for our older boy, thank god we dont have to take care of a chicken.  Although fresh eggs would be nice.....
 
2013-12-11 01:24:55 PM
You fools who live in city limits and housing developments with your fancy code enforcement and HOAs.
 
2013-12-11 01:25:36 PM

Treygreen13: The My Little Pony Killer: Treygreen13: ...therapy chickens?

Until they peck the kid's eyes out.

I mean, I'm happy for the kid that he gets to keep his pets, but I've been around chickens and I wouldn't say they were a particularly... uh... therapeutic animal.


i don't know about that.  when i had them, i watched them more than  i watched t.v.

maybe i have teh autistic

*sidenote but chicken related: am i wrong for not wanting to eat eggs from hens that have a rooster amongst them actively humping away?
 
2013-12-11 01:26:38 PM

inner ted: am i wrong for not wanting to eat eggs from hens that have a rooster amongst them actively humping away?


Well you're not exactly weird for not wanting to eat eggs that could be fertilized.
 
2013-12-11 01:30:25 PM
FTFA:  Three-year-old J.J. Hart is an autistic boy who would hardly speak and often threw temper tantrums nearly two years ago.

So in other words, he acted like any other kid his age?

Can you even reasonably diagnose autism at that age?

Not trolling.  Really want to know.
 
2013-12-11 01:30:37 PM

tlchwi02: Peki: Marcus Aurelius: I'm not quite sure how the city's solicitor let this happen.  It's not every day you get to argue in federal court and bill hundreds of hours to the taxpayers over an issue that is utterly stupid.  So there's a lot more to this story than they're telling us.

I'm betting (hoping?) they got caught off guard when the internet outrage hit. This isn't the first time the interwebz have helped stop Floridian insanity.

the attitude of the fark thread seemed more that the parents were wrong and the city council should have stood firm. apparently the rest of the internet disagreed?


I'm going with:

Pocket Ninja: Yes, they did the rational thing. After the father threatened to sue them in Federal court.


Did not read the article, but did the dad play the ADA card?
 
2013-12-11 01:31:27 PM
How could you lose with a lawyer named Mark Nation?
 
2013-12-11 01:32:41 PM
Shoulda set 'em free.
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2013-12-11 01:35:24 PM
I guess changing a stupid opinion after a barrage of public outcry over the stupidity is better than not changing a stupid opinion, but still not as good as never having had it in the first place.
 
2013-12-11 01:39:42 PM
Good.   the neighbors in question ought to realize putting up with chickens is likely going to be less trouble than an out of control autistic kid.
 
2013-12-11 01:39:52 PM
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Oh cock
 
2013-12-11 01:40:14 PM
...keep farking that chicken
 
2013-12-11 01:44:03 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Did not read the article, but did the dad play the ADA card?


Nation said he threatened to file a federal lawsuit against the city, saying the removal of the boy's chickens would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act and the Federal Fair Housing Act.

Federal Fair Housing Act? Since when are chickens a protected group?

orclover: Im assuming its a tactile thing instead of a observational. Rubbing soft chicken feathers might be effective for this kid when a soft blanket or other object had no effect. We use a soft blanket for our older boy, thank god we dont have to take care of a chicken. Although fresh eggs would be nice.....


Temple Gradin, FTW. Saw the HBO movie, and though it was a hagiography near the end, thought it was a pretty good insight on how austitic people use tactile.
 
2013-12-11 01:44:20 PM
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He's going to be popular at school.
 
2013-12-11 01:49:54 PM
So the local government is forced to back down on a valid concern due to a threat of an an expensive, meaningless lawsuit.

Truly a vvictoryfor victory for snowflakes everywhere.
 
2013-12-11 01:52:42 PM
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...Crazy Chicken World...
 
2013-12-11 01:55:59 PM
It seems like everytime anything happens to someone that they don't like, they pull some sort of sympathy card. It seems like every person you taze screams they have some medical condition, every person you ban from Wal-Mart is disabled. Or here, some hipster parents wanted fresh eggs in a resdential neighborhood got some chickens, and then when the council changed their mind on the new rule they decided to say their "autistic" son liked them. Why?

Cause no one wants to hear about some yuppies complaining that their chickens are taken away. But if the chickens are a "therapy animal" for their child, (as perscribed by a quack doctor they shopped around for) that amps up the sympathy meter, and allows them to get the internet mommies with precious "autistic" kids up in arms, and to take to their keyboards and deploy the 101 st mommy keyboard division.

I remember when the autistic kids were clearly disabled. Now your kid doesn't run up to strangers and start babbling to them, they are autistic. They like a schedule and only like certain foods? That is called being a kid.
 
2013-12-11 01:59:02 PM

Betep: [www.haileyswishplaygrounds.com image 800x531]
He's going to be popular at school.


unimpressed:

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2013-12-11 02:00:33 PM
files.backyardchickens.com

Florida is full of Axis sympathizers.
 
2013-12-11 02:14:10 PM
I didn't disagree with their original decision and I felt the parents had made poor choices here. I'm certainly glad the kid is going to get to keep his chickens though, this whole mess was never his fault. Hopefully the exemption thing will last, it would only be worse if they had to go through this down the road again. =\
 
2013-12-11 02:16:39 PM
You must respect Debary's authoritah!!
 
2013-12-11 02:18:36 PM
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StrikitRich: You must respect Debary's authoritah!!


/damn hotlink
 
2013-12-11 02:31:04 PM
The parents totally pulled the disability card.

They originally had chickens and a rooster but the neighbors complained because of the rooster.

The chickens were bought not as therapy chickens to provide free range eggs to their snowflake.

News at 11, all kids chase chickens.

The parents are douches.
 
2013-12-11 02:32:57 PM

Treygreen13: The My Little Pony Killer: Treygreen13: ...therapy chickens?

Until they peck the kid's eyes out.

I mean, I'm happy for the kid that he gets to keep his pets, but I've been around chickens and I wouldn't say they were a particularly... uh... therapeutic animal.


I'm guessing you're not Republican.
 
2013-12-11 02:40:25 PM
The city can bite my shiny assburgers.

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2013-12-11 02:41:40 PM

InitialCommentGuy: So the local government is forced to back down on a valid concern due to a threat of an an expensive, meaningless lawsuit.

Truly a vvictoryfor victory for snowflakes everywhere.


And what valid concern is there by constituents raising a small amount of chickens in accordance with the law (no roosters, clean pens, fenced, etc.)?
 
2013-12-11 02:52:16 PM
Get him a bucket of extra crispy to lug around.
 
2013-12-11 02:54:08 PM

joness0154: InitialCommentGuy: So the local government is forced to back down on a valid concern due to a threat of an an expensive, meaningless lawsuit.

Truly a vvictoryfor victory for snowflakes everywhere.

And what valid concern is there by constituents raising a small amount of chickens in accordance with the law (no roosters, clean pens, fenced, etc.)?


When people think about a neighbor having chickens, they imagine living next to a commercial chicken farm. It's as logical as imagining living next to a puppy mill when your neighbor mentions wanting a dog.
 
2013-12-11 03:14:24 PM

Diogenes: Treygreen13: The My Little Pony Killer: Treygreen13: ...therapy chickens?

Until they peck the kid's eyes out.

I mean, I'm happy for the kid that he gets to keep his pets, but I've been around chickens and I wouldn't say they were a particularly... uh... therapeutic animal.

I'm guessing you're not Republican.


Why?
 
2013-12-11 03:15:05 PM

joness0154: InitialCommentGuy: So the local government is forced to back down on a valid concern due to a threat of an an expensive, meaningless lawsuit.

Truly a vvictoryfor victory for snowflakes everywhere.

And what valid concern is there by constituents raising a small amount of chickens in accordance with the law (no roosters, clean pens, fenced, etc.)?


IIRC, they have a rooster. The "therapy chickens" thing was a bullshiat excuse to keep their breeding flock.
 
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