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(Gizmodo)   Let's be honest, most robots look pretty dumb these days. NASA's Valkyrie on the other hand is pretty Farking awesome   (gizmodo.com) divider line 42
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2013-12-11 12:16:14 PM  
Part of the point of robots is that they aren't human though.  They can be intelligent devices that do things we can't.  I like androids, they're cool, and all, but I'll take a roomba over an Asimo any day.
 
2013-12-11 12:16:40 PM  
I care a bit more about what can a humanoid robot do than how it looks and from that video it looks like Valkyrie can do a lot less than the other humanoid robots that are being developed.
 
2013-12-11 12:20:20 PM  
One step closer to sexbots.
 
2013-12-11 12:33:57 PM  

talkertopc: I care a bit more about what can a humanoid robot do than how it looks and from that video it looks like Valkyrie can do a lot less than the other humanoid robots that are being developed.


I doubt the video showed everything the robot can do. It has way more dimensions of freedom and sensors than anything else out there.
 
2013-12-11 12:34:10 PM  
Can I fark it yet?
 
2013-12-11 12:47:07 PM  

Hawnkee: One step closer to sexbots.


I'm sure you could attach a Pinky Pie mask and a strap-on to this and find a use for it... Just don't blame me if it breaks your pelvis.

What? Why is everyone looking at me like that?
 
2013-12-11 12:59:48 PM  
Good progress to see it's on internal power, but I think we're gonna need a breakthrough in energy storage tech (or some kind of onboard ICE or fusion reactor) if man-sized robots are going to be fully independent...

/reactor online
//weapons online
///sensors online
////ASIMO nominal
 
2013-12-11 01:06:58 PM  

talkertopc: I care a bit more about what can a humanoid robot do than how it looks and from that video it looks like Valkyrie can do a lot less than the other humanoid robots that are being developed.


I was kind of thinking the same thing. 95% of the video is just the guy talking,m then it takes a step and turns a valve like 12 degrees.
 
2013-12-11 01:30:09 PM  
Is this the same robot that couldn't walk on wood boards and blocks? The Marine Corp bull(ish) robot it pretty sweet. Popular Mechanics did a write-up on it recently.
 
2013-12-11 01:48:11 PM  
"seven degree of freedom arm... and six degree of freedom hand..."

Is "degree of freedom" supposed to mean something like "points of articulation" on an action figure?  I ask because, when I teach Statistics, "degrees of freedom" means something VERY different from the way that a robot's arm moves.
 
2013-12-11 01:57:12 PM  
That's kind of cool and all, but it looks to be pretty useless. I mean It can't even stand up under its own weight, unless there's some other reason behind it being tethered to the ceiling at all times. And that movement, it took it like ten seconds just to lift its leg and even longer to grasp that wheel and turn it.

I get that it's an advanced piece of machinery that's still in development but I've seen plenty of robots be able to move quicker and with much more precision. If anything the Valkyrie is a step back from what has already been developed elsewhere.
 
2013-12-11 01:58:12 PM  
Zoe? Is that you in there?
 
2013-12-11 01:58:48 PM  

Son of Thunder: "seven degree of freedom arm... and six degree of freedom hand..."

Is "degree of freedom" supposed to mean something like "points of articulation" on an action figure?  I ask because, when I teach Statistics, "degrees of freedom" means something VERY different from the way that a robot's arm moves.


Yeah it's like that. It's a range of motion from a center point.
 
2013-12-11 02:00:31 PM  

RedVentrue: Son of Thunder: "seven degree of freedom arm... and six degree of freedom hand..."

Is "degree of freedom" supposed to mean something like "points of articulation" on an action figure?  I ask because, when I teach Statistics, "degrees of freedom" means something VERY different from the way that a robot's arm moves.

Yeah it's like that. It's a range of motion from a center point.


Thank you.
 
2013-12-11 02:01:58 PM  

Esroc: That's kind of cool and all, but it looks to be pretty useless. I mean It can't even stand up under its own weight, unless there's some other reason behind it being tethered to the ceiling at all times. And that movement, it took it like ten seconds just to lift its leg and even longer to grasp that wheel and turn it.

I get that it's an advanced piece of machinery that's still in development but I've seen plenty of robots be able to move quicker and with much more precision. If anything the Valkyrie is a step back from what has already been developed elsewhere.


Bipedal robots are MUCH less stable than quadripedal robots such as Big Dog. This one was tethered to prevent damage in case it fell.
 
2013-12-11 02:04:29 PM  

RedVentrue: Bipedal robots are MUCH less stable than quadripedal robots such as Big Dog. This one was tethered to prevent damage in case it fell.


Combine them.  Robot centaurs.
 
2013-12-11 02:11:03 PM  

Son of Thunder: RedVentrue: Bipedal robots are MUCH less stable than quadripedal robots such as Big Dog. This one was tethered to prevent damage in case it fell.

Combine them.  Robot centaurs.


Pretty cool concept, but such a design would be top heavy towards the front.
 
2013-12-11 02:23:22 PM  
Yeah, I kinda want to fark the robot too, even just to say I'd done it. Let's see JSCs robot teabagging an intern.
 
2013-12-11 02:24:57 PM  

RedVentrue: Son of Thunder: RedVentrue: Bipedal robots are MUCH less stable than quadripedal robots such as Big Dog. This one was tethered to prevent damage in case it fell.

Combine them.  Robot centaurs.

Pretty cool concept, but such a design would be top heavy towards the front.


Not if the front was bare-bones, like just an instrument mast and maybe some fiberglass... but you're right if it's the same density as the thorax.
 
2013-12-11 02:27:09 PM  
ikanreed: Part of the point of robots is that they aren't human though.

Let me summarize a point made by Asimov.

Why build humaniform robots?

Would you rather have a bunch of non-humanoid robots that are each tailored to perform a specific task.

OR

Would you rather have a humaniform robot that can use all of the equipment we already have that was designed for human use.

// IE, do you want a customized robot to harvest your field another robot to plant, etc. OR, do you want a robot that can run the harvester, or the planter, etc.
 
2013-12-11 02:41:08 PM  
Pfft. Call me when Skynet is online.
 
2013-12-11 02:43:01 PM  

ikanreed: Part of the point of robots is that they aren't human though.  They can be intelligent devices that do things we can't.  I like androids, they're cool, and all, but I'll take a roomba over an Asimo any day.


You miss the point, sure we could do what these robots do but often its dangerous work and why should we endanger human lives if robots can do the work instead? Dangerous work, like working in a nuclear planet that has melt down. That requires turning valves, clearing obstacles, and doing this all while you're working in areas of high radiation. This isn't just a hypothetical either, Japanese workers at Fukushima Nuclear Plant were doing just that and the robotics to replace humans in such dangerous tasks didn't exist before 2011.

These are very human tasks that the robots are being asked to preform. Now imagine toxic gas/radiation are an obstacle to humans doing these tasks and you have a pretty good reason why these robots are necessary.

1. Drive a utility vehicle at the site.
2. Travel dismounted across rubble.
3. Remove debris blocking an entryway.
4. Open a door and enter a building.
5. Climb an industrial ladder and traverse an industrial walkway.
6. Use a tool to break through a concrete panel.
7. Locate and close a valve near a leaking pipe.
8. Connect a fire hose to a standpipe and turn on a valve.
 
2013-12-11 02:51:45 PM  

bbfreak: ikanreed: Part of the point of robots is that they aren't human though.  They can be intelligent devices that do things we can't.  I like androids, they're cool, and all, but I'll take a roomba over an Asimo any day.

You miss the point, sure we could do what these robots do but often its dangerous work and why should we endanger human lives if robots can do the work instead? Dangerous work, like working in a nuclear planet that has melt down. That requires turning valves, clearing obstacles, and doing this all while you're working in areas of high radiation. This isn't just a hypothetical either, Japanese workers at Fukushima Nuclear Plant were doing just that and the robotics to replace humans in such dangerous tasks didn't exist before 2011.

These are very human tasks that the robots are being asked to preform. Now imagine toxic gas/radiation are an obstacle to humans doing these tasks and you have a pretty good reason why these robots are necessary.

1. Drive a utility vehicle at the site.
2. Travel dismounted across rubble.
3. Remove debris blocking an entryway.
4. Open a door and enter a building.
5. Climb an industrial ladder and traverse an industrial walkway.
6. Use a tool to break through a concrete panel.
7. Locate and close a valve near a leaking pipe.
8. Connect a fire hose to a standpipe and turn on a valve.


I think what he's saying is that humanoid robots may not be the most efficient platform. Pretty much every task you've presented can be done by a robot with wheels (or multiple legs, that are inherently more stable) and a grasping mechanism, or in the case of #1, a human with a remote.
 
2013-12-11 03:01:20 PM  
Johnsnownw: I think what he's saying is that humanoid robots may not be the most efficient platform

It's not about efficiency, it's about versatility.

We made things in the world to fit and suit humans, so a humanoid robot will be the most versatile in said world.
 
2013-12-11 03:05:36 PM  

No Such Agency: Hawnkee: One step closer to sexbots.

I'm sure you could attach a Pinky Pie mask and a strap-on to this and find a use for it... Just don't blame me if it breaks your pelvis.

What? Why is everyone looking at me like that?


God Dam it! Now I want a Pinke Pie Real Doll.
 
2013-12-11 03:28:20 PM  

lordargent: Johnsnownw: I think what he's saying is that humanoid robots may not be the most efficient platform

It's not about efficiency, it's about versatility.

We made things in the world to fit and suit humans, so a humanoid robot will be the most versatile in said world.


Would the logical steps in developing robots be then:

1) Develop rudimentary robots
2) Develop successful humanoid robots that may be less efficient but able to interact with a human designed world
3) As people get more accustomed to robots doing their work, develop new efficient, versatile robots in an efficient but not necessarily human fashion

I'm thinking along the lines of Bender and Robot 1X from Futurama (comical as that show is).
 
2013-12-11 03:41:04 PM  

vonmatrices: lordargent: Johnsnownw: I think what he's saying is that humanoid robots may not be the most efficient platform

It's not about efficiency, it's about versatility.

We made things in the world to fit and suit humans, so a humanoid robot will be the most versatile in said world.

Would the logical steps in developing robots be then:

1) Develop rudimentary robots
2) Develop successful humanoid robots that may be less efficient but able to interact with a human designed world
3) As people get more accustomed to robots doing their work, develop new efficient, versatile robots in an efficient but not necessarily human fashion

I'm thinking along the lines of Bender and Robot 1X from Futurama (comical as that show is).


Not to mention that robots need to be designed with human interaction in mind.
 
2013-12-11 03:48:55 PM  

RedVentrue: vonmatrices: lordargent: Johnsnownw: I think what he's saying is that humanoid robots may not be the most efficient platform

It's not about efficiency, it's about versatility.

We made things in the world to fit and suit humans, so a humanoid robot will be the most versatile in said world.

Would the logical steps in developing robots be then:

1) Develop rudimentary robots
2) Develop successful humanoid robots that may be less efficient but able to interact with a human designed world
3) As people get more accustomed to robots doing their work, develop new efficient, versatile robots in an efficient but not necessarily human fashion

I'm thinking along the lines of Bender and Robot 1X from Futurama (comical as that show is).

Not to mention that robots need to be designed with human interaction in mind.


And by interaction we mean murder.
 
2013-12-11 04:03:05 PM  

Space Station Wagon: RedVentrue: vonmatrices: lordargent: Johnsnownw: I think what he's saying is that humanoid robots may not be the most efficient platform

It's not about efficiency, it's about versatility.

We made things in the world to fit and suit humans, so a humanoid robot will be the most versatile in said world.

Would the logical steps in developing robots be then:

1) Develop rudimentary robots
2) Develop successful humanoid robots that may be less efficient but able to interact with a human designed world
3) As people get more accustomed to robots doing their work, develop new efficient, versatile robots in an efficient but not necessarily human fashion

I'm thinking along the lines of Bender and Robot 1X from Futurama (comical as that show is).

Not to mention that robots need to be designed with human interaction in mind.

And by interaction we mean murder.


At times.
 
2013-12-11 04:13:19 PM  

ikanreed: Part of the point of robots is that they aren't human though.  They can be intelligent devices that do things we can't.  I like androids, they're cool, and all, but I'll take a roomba over an Asimo any day.


Sometimes we need robots that are VERY human if they are needed to interact with humans in a human environment.

The military is developing both non-humanoid robots and humanoid robots. The non-humanoid robots are task specific while the humanoid robots are designed to be mission flexible. Human beings are remarkably versatile creatures and have over hundreds of thousands of years evolved a vast arrays of tools and techniques to accomplish a large number of goals. Having a robot that can flawlessly interact with those tools and employ those techniques is a great benefit.

Designing a robot that can operate human vehicles, fight with human weapons, and build with human tools would be an invaluable asset to the military.
 
2013-12-11 04:48:51 PM  

RedVentrue: Son of Thunder: RedVentrue: Bipedal robots are MUCH less stable than quadripedal robots such as Big Dog. This one was tethered to prevent damage in case it fell.

Combine them.  Robot centaurs.

Pretty cool concept, but such a design would be top heavy towards the front.


So make it a little less sexy.
 
2013-12-11 04:49:48 PM  
ikanreed: Part of the point of robots is that they aren't human though. They can be intelligent devices that do things we can't. I like androids, they're cool, and all, but I'll take a roomba over an Asimo any day.

Can your roomba vaccuum your floor ... then cook you dinner and do the laundry?
 
2013-12-11 05:15:02 PM  

Fear the Clam: RedVentrue: Son of Thunder: RedVentrue: Bipedal robots are MUCH less stable than quadripedal robots such as Big Dog. This one was tethered to prevent damage in case it fell.

Combine them.  Robot centaurs.

Pretty cool concept, but such a design would be top heavy towards the front.

So make it a little less sexy.


I don't want to live in a world where robots are less sexy.
 
2013-12-11 05:27:18 PM  

Ghastly: Fear the Clam: RedVentrue: Son of Thunder: RedVentrue: Bipedal robots are MUCH less stable than quadripedal robots such as Big Dog. This one was tethered to prevent damage in case it fell.

Combine them.  Robot centaurs.

Pretty cool concept, but such a design would be top heavy towards the front.

So make it a little less sexy.

I don't want to live in a world where robots are less sexy.


Me either. :)

This robot shows some improvements, and promise for more, but I wouldn't call it awesome.
 
2013-12-11 06:12:33 PM  
That was nowhere near as cool a Valkyrie as I had expected.

media.animevice.com
 
2013-12-11 06:53:36 PM  
www.quickmeme.com
 
2013-12-11 07:18:42 PM  
Pffft.  NASA's earlier Valkyrie is still way cooler.


www.wired.com
 
2013-12-11 11:01:27 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: No Such Agency: Hawnkee: One step closer to sexbots.

I'm sure you could attach a Pinky Pie mask and a strap-on to this and find a use for it... Just don't blame me if it breaks your pelvis.

What? Why is everyone looking at me like that?

God Dam it! Now I want a Pinke Pie Real Doll.


Scariest colonoscopy machine ever conceived.
 
2013-12-11 11:53:34 PM  
Valerie 23 can't be too far behind.
 
2013-12-12 01:07:50 AM  
He has an IQ of 1001, he has a jumpsuit on and he's also a telephone
 
2013-12-12 08:30:20 AM  

rk1i: Pffft.  NASA's earlier Valkyrie is still way cooler.


Do want.
 
2013-12-12 03:56:05 PM  
My robot looks an awful lot like a $25 Hellmart R/C truck with the body removed and an Arduino and breadboard rubber banded on top.  It's useful for amusing me and bothering my cats.
 
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