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2013-12-11 09:53:47 AM
I can see that.  They've saved me a ton of time lately that would have been spent experimenting or doing trial and error with linq queries. It's a great place for quick answers to little things - You need to code using xml serialization/deserialization, you're going to need to go to the MSDN or a book and learn it.  But if you want to know the best way to instantiate your schema class or how to search through an enumerated type declared in the schema using the xml attribute, Stack Overflow is the place.
 
2013-12-11 10:15:21 AM
Completely negated by Fark.com.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-11 10:16:02 AM
If your language uses a stack, it sucks.
 
2013-12-11 10:23:58 AM

ZAZ: If your language uses a stack, it sucks.


Yeah, I know, right, basic parity with the design of the computer you're using is always totally useless.

Go back to being paid no money for not achieving anything of value in lisp.
 
2013-12-11 10:27:16 AM

UberDave: I can see that.  They've saved me a ton of time lately that would have been spent experimenting or doing trial and error with linq queries. It's a great place for quick answers to little things - You need to code using xml serialization/deserialization, you're going to need to go to the MSDN or a book and learn it.  But if you want to know the best way to instantiate your schema class or how to search through an enumerated type declared in the schema using the xml attribute, Stack Overflow is the place.


"I believe it" was my first reaction too.  I put Stack Exchange as one of the top 10 most valuable information resources on the net.  What is amazing is I have built entire apps with answers from Stack Exchange... yet have never posted.
 
2013-12-11 10:43:57 AM
Yup, Google is my go-to even for quick checks on syntax of something I already know how to do, and quick little things. Often a stack overflow result is what I end up checking. It's also given me hints about whole libraries in Python I didn't know about.
 
2013-12-11 10:44:54 AM
Its been an invaluable resource as I learn new languages and run into gotchas or just general questions of implementation.  As mentioned above it likely cancels out fark.com so cheers to stack overflow!
 
2013-12-11 10:46:29 AM
Still didn't save them from using C#.
 
2013-12-11 10:57:56 AM
It's always a good day when two minutes of Google and a post on Stack Overflow gives me the opportunity to correct and openly mock the actual software developers I work with.

Which, come to think of it, happens with depressing regularity.
 
2013-12-11 10:59:29 AM
Remeber the days of googling and ending up at expert sex change?
Right clicking view source and disabling js to get the answer was a pain in the ass.
 
2013-12-11 11:03:51 AM

Theory Of Null: Remeber the days of googling and ending up at expert sex change?
Right clicking view source and disabling js to get the answer was a pain in the ass.


They still around?  I blocked them from showing up in Google results long ago.
 
2013-12-11 11:09:53 AM
It's always been useful to me when wading into functions I'm not very familiar with.
 
2013-12-11 11:13:25 AM

ZAZ: If your language uses a stack, it sucks.


If your language doesn't use a stack, you're not programming anything with practical value.
 
2013-12-11 11:14:00 AM

haemaker: <strong><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/8054987/88109679#c88109679" target="_blank">Theory Of Null</a>:</strong> <em>Remeber the days of googling and ending up at expert sex change?
Right clicking view source and disabling js to get the answer was a pain in the ass.</em>

They still around?  I blocked them from showing up in Google results long ago.


yep.  slighlty difffrent domain name.
 
2013-12-11 11:16:38 AM
Love Stack Overflow. I have zero programming background and have managed to teach myself R using a few video lectures and a lot of googling, which inevitably leads me SO.
 
2013-12-11 11:32:41 AM
As a student who uses C# for research stuff... I can confirm this. It's saved my ass more times than I like to admit.

palladiate: Still didn't save them from using C#.


I think you'll see more and more people using it as we move forward. Since Oracle has fumbled Java so badly, C# has become a viable option for multiplatform development. Microsoft seems more than happy to support Xamarin, Mono, Unity, etc. on their quest to build open-source libraries for the CLR.
 
2013-12-11 11:37:11 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: ZAZ: If your language uses a stack, it sucks.

If your language doesn't use a stack, you're not programming anything with practical value.


Assembler on tiny microcontrollers. Used in battery management and prettyfying (handling LEDs, brightness, flashing, etc)
 
2013-12-11 11:41:07 AM

Marine1: As a student who uses C# for research stuff... I can confirm this. It's saved my ass more times than I like to admit.

palladiate: Still didn't save them from using C#.

I think you'll see more and more people using it as we move forward. Since Oracle has fumbled Java so badly, C# has become a viable option for multiplatform development. Microsoft seems more than happy to support Xamarin, Mono, Unity, etc. on their quest to build open-source libraries for the CLR.


<cough>Python 3.X</cough>
 
2013-12-11 11:47:00 AM

IntertubeUser: Marine1: As a student who uses C# for research stuff... I can confirm this. It's saved my ass more times than I like to admit.

palladiate: Still didn't save them from using C#.

I think you'll see more and more people using it as we move forward. Since Oracle has fumbled Java so badly, C# has become a viable option for multiplatform development. Microsoft seems more than happy to support Xamarin, Mono, Unity, etc. on their quest to build open-source libraries for the CLR.

<cough>Python 3.X</cough>


What about it?
 
2013-12-11 11:53:10 AM

Marine1: IntertubeUser: Marine1: As a student who uses C# for research stuff... I can confirm this. It's saved my ass more times than I like to admit.

palladiate: Still didn't save them from using C#.

I think you'll see more and more people using it as we move forward. Since Oracle has fumbled Java so badly, C# has become a viable option for multiplatform development. Microsoft seems more than happy to support Xamarin, Mono, Unity, etc. on their quest to build open-source libraries for the CLR.

<cough>Python 3.X</cough>

What about it?


If you're talking about multiplatform development, Python has a metric shiat ton going for it.
 
2013-12-11 11:53:10 AM

IntertubeUser: Marine1: As a student who uses C# for research stuff... I can confirm this. It's saved my ass more times than I like to admit.

palladiate: Still didn't save them from using C#.

I think you'll see more and more people using it as we move forward. Since Oracle has fumbled Java so badly, C# has become a viable option for multiplatform development. Microsoft seems more than happy to support Xamarin, Mono, Unity, etc. on their quest to build open-source libraries for the CLR.

<cough>Python 3.X</cough>


Python is fantastic for everything except user-facing applications.  Writing UIs in python is misery.  Whereas xaml with MVVM is like a dream.
 
2013-12-11 11:56:41 AM
I've never see the main page for Stack Overflow. I've only gone there directly to answers through Google.
 
2013-12-11 11:59:53 AM

IntertubeUser: Marine1: IntertubeUser: Marine1: As a student who uses C# for research stuff... I can confirm this. It's saved my ass more times than I like to admit.

palladiate: Still didn't save them from using C#.

I think you'll see more and more people using it as we move forward. Since Oracle has fumbled Java so badly, C# has become a viable option for multiplatform development. Microsoft seems more than happy to support Xamarin, Mono, Unity, etc. on their quest to build open-source libraries for the CLR.

<cough>Python 3.X</cough>

What about it?

If you're talking about multiplatform development, Python has a metric shiat ton going for it.


It does on the desktop, server, and web sides. I'm actually on a project that uses Python to do some tools for a OBDII vehicle interface right now, and it makes sense for a lot of things. Mobile... not so much. I can't write a game in Python 3.x and run it on Android, iOS, Windows Phone/Win8/WinRT, and whatever the game console market has going right now. C# can achieve that.

I think I'm gonna use Python more and more as time goes on, but there's a ways to go as far as running Python on  everything, which isn't necessarily Python's fault.
 
2013-12-11 12:03:00 PM
Marine1:
I think I'm gonna use Python more and more as time goes on, but there's a ways to go as far as running Python on  everything, which isn't necessarily Python's fault.

Ahhh... gotcha.
 
2013-12-11 12:04:56 PM

Marine1: I think you'll see more and more people using it as we move forward. Since Oracle has fumbled Java so badly, C# has become a viable option for multiplatform development. Microsoft seems more than happy to support Xamarin, Mono, Unity, etc. on their quest to build open-source libraries for the CLR.


Pretty much.  When you're talking about fully supported  and integrated enterprise wide solutions for large shops with tens of millions of dollars on the line, there's only a few players in the game and .NET is eating up marketshare simply through process of elimination thanks to the farkups by competitors.

If you're making a cutting edge web page about your cats and selling t-shirts from your online store, there's better tools.
 
2013-12-11 12:05:29 PM

Marine1: I think I'm gonna use Python more and more as time goes on, but there's a ways to go as far as running Python on everything, which isn't necessarily Python's fault.


On the other end of the stuff I work with, Python is built into chipsets now.

http://www.telit.com/en/products/gsm-gprs.php?p_ac=show&p=47

That's nuts. In a good way.
 
2013-12-11 12:40:30 PM

Tr0mBoNe: I've never see the main page for Stack Overflow. I've only gone there directly to answers through Google.


same here.
 
db2
2013-12-11 12:57:31 PM
My favorite thing about Stack Overflow and its kin is that they made ExpertSexchange irrelevant pretty much overnight.
 
2013-12-11 01:02:23 PM

db2: My favorite thing about Stack Overflow and its kin is that they made ExpertSexchange irrelevant pretty much overnight.


Stack overflow predates them by about 5 years.  Google fixed SEO related bullshiattery by expertsexchange, which killed them.
 
2013-12-11 01:05:50 PM
+1 for Stack Overflow.

I had to do a conversion project recently and it really helped...
 
db2
2013-12-11 01:07:35 PM

ikanreed: db2: My favorite thing about Stack Overflow and its kin is that they made ExpertSexchange irrelevant pretty much overnight.

Stack overflow predates them by about 5 years.  Google fixed SEO related bullshiattery by expertsexchange, which killed them.


ExpertSexchange has been around since 1996, Stack Overflow launched in late 2008.
 
2013-12-11 01:58:53 PM
Thanks, Jon Skeet!
 
2013-12-11 02:13:55 PM

mccallcl: Thanks, Jon Skeet!


QFT
 
2013-12-11 02:16:26 PM

db2: ikanreed: db2: My favorite thing about Stack Overflow and its kin is that they made ExpertSexchange irrelevant pretty much overnight.

Stack overflow predates them by about 5 years.  Google fixed SEO related bullshiattery by expertsexchange, which killed them.

ExpertSexchange has been around since 1996, Stack Overflow launched in late 2008.


You're totally right, then what the heck was it I used in high school, I'm forced to wonder.
 
2013-12-11 02:43:25 PM

ikanreed: ZAZ: If your language uses a stack, it sucks.

Yeah, I know, right, basic parity with the design of the computer you're using is always totally useless.

Go back to being paid no money for not achieving anything of value in lisp.


Maybe I'm missing your point, but if any language was stack orientated it's Lisp. Except for perhaps Forth. Those Lisp machines back in the 80s were stack machines.
 
2013-12-11 03:00:49 PM

beer4breakfast: ikanreed: ZAZ: If your language uses a stack, it sucks.

Yeah, I know, right, basic parity with the design of the computer you're using is always totally useless.

Go back to being paid no money for not achieving anything of value in lisp.

Maybe I'm missing your point, but if any language was stack orientated it's Lisp. Except for perhaps Forth. Those Lisp machines back in the 80s were stack machines.


The language doesn't have an implicit stack.  If you're judging based on what the machine uses, ZAZ's statement reaches the positively insane.
 
2013-12-11 03:50:47 PM

beer4breakfast: ikanreed: ZAZ: If your language uses a stack, it sucks.

Yeah, I know, right, basic parity with the design of the computer you're using is always totally useless.

Go back to being paid no money for not achieving anything of value in lisp.

Maybe I'm missing your point, but if any language was stack orientated it's Lisp. Except for perhaps Forth. Those Lisp machines back in the 80s were stack machines.


This might help
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/796211/what-does-it-really-mean-t ha t-a-programming-language-is-stackless
 
2013-12-11 04:24:14 PM

haemaker: UberDave: I can see that.  They've saved me a ton of time lately that would have been spent experimenting or doing trial and error with linq queries. It's a great place for quick answers to little things - You need to code using xml serialization/deserialization, you're going to need to go to the MSDN or a book and learn it.  But if you want to know the best way to instantiate your schema class or how to search through an enumerated type declared in the schema using the xml attribute, Stack Overflow is the place.

"I believe it" was my first reaction too.  I put Stack Exchange as one of the top 10 most valuable information resources on the net.  What is amazing is I have built entire apps with answers from Stack Exchange... yet have never posted.


Is that a new site like Stack Overflow?

/Sorry, had to.

I think the calculation is missing something. Not all page view is to save time, some page views are actually using time, i.e. the people who are answering the questions.
 
2013-12-11 04:28:25 PM

palladiate: Still didn't save them from using C#.


People who has to develop windows  based program and has a C/C++ background, it is the best choice. Heck, even people who do not have C/C++ background, it is the best choice to develop windows program. In fact, it is the best language Microsoft has ever come up with.

So, I don't get the hate for C#. But of course, I'll not use it for anything else besides developing windows program.
 
2013-12-11 06:15:50 PM

mayIFark: palladiate: Still didn't save them from using C#.

People who has to develop windows  based program and has a C/C++ background, it is the best choice. Heck, even people who do not have C/C++ background, it is the best choice to develop windows program. In fact, it is the best language Microsoft has ever come up with.

So, I don't get the hate for C#. But of course, I'll not use it for anything else besides developing windows program.


I think it's the whole "Microsoft-patenting-it-but-not-really-using-the-patents-but-embrace-e xtend-extinguish-but-it's-an-open-standard" thing.That, and that Mono isn't  quite as good as the .NET libraries, which are, of course, closed-source.

That being said, Mono is easily obtained from your friendly local Linux package manager, while real Java (no, OpenJDK isn't real Java) has to be downloaded exclusively from Oracle. The more "closed" of the two is more open, while the more "open" of the two is more closed. It's weird how Microsoft has approached CLR languages, and how much Oracle has really farked the chicken since taking over Sun.
 
2013-12-11 06:30:20 PM
It's very handy and informative, but it sometimes seems that the Wikipedia-elitist-prick effect has worn off on it.

Some answerers there are real assholes.
 
2013-12-11 06:52:41 PM

ikanreed: ZAZ: If your language uses a stack, it sucks.

Yeah, I know, right, basic parity with the design of the computer you're using is always totally useless.

Go back to being paid no money for not achieving anything of value in lisp.


Ha! That was good.
 
2013-12-11 07:16:19 PM

haemaker: Theory Of Null: Remeber the days of googling and ending up at expert sex change?
Right clicking view source and disabling js to get the answer was a pain in the ass.

They still around?  I blocked them from showing up in Google results long ago.


There's a couple more out there that display more in-line ads than replies. Oh yeah, and BigResource can suck it.
 
2013-12-11 09:36:37 PM

Nexzus: It's very handy and informative, but it sometimes seems that the Wikipedia-elitist-prick effect has worn off on it.

Some answerers there are real assholes.


This is also true. 

/"... all of that to say you didn't look at the documentation for fetch_assoc_array()?"
 
2013-12-11 10:00:02 PM

haemaker: UberDave: I can see that.  They've saved me a ton of time lately that would have been spent experimenting or doing trial and error with linq queries. It's a great place for quick answers to little things - You need to code using xml serialization/deserialization, you're going to need to go to the MSDN or a book and learn it.  But if you want to know the best way to instantiate your schema class or how to search through an enumerated type declared in the schema using the xml attribute, Stack Overflow is the place.

"I believe it" was my first reaction too.  I put Stack Exchange as one of the top 10 most valuable information resources on the net.  What is amazing is I have built entire apps with answers from Stack Exchange... yet have never posted.


I almost feel guilty, like a leech for not posting. Usually because I'm too busy implementing the trick I found there. One of these days.
 
2013-12-11 11:14:29 PM

dg41: haemaker: UberDave: I can see that.  They've saved me a ton of time lately that would have been spent experimenting or doing trial and error with linq queries. It's a great place for quick answers to little things - You need to code using xml serialization/deserialization, you're going to need to go to the MSDN or a book and learn it.  But if you want to know the best way to instantiate your schema class or how to search through an enumerated type declared in the schema using the xml attribute, Stack Overflow is the place.

"I believe it" was my first reaction too.  I put Stack Exchange as one of the top 10 most valuable information resources on the net.  What is amazing is I have built entire apps with answers from Stack Exchange... yet have never posted.

I almost feel guilty, like a leech for not posting. Usually because I'm too busy implementing the trick I found there. One of these days.


I post on Stack Overflow on occasion, but, yes, I do feel I get more than I give out of that arrangement as well.
 
2013-12-11 11:42:47 PM

Nexzus: Some answerers there are real assholes.


Ever see one of those forums with one of those answerers who does absolutely nothing but respond "This isn't the correct place for that question, please take it elsewhere."? I never understood that.
 
2013-12-12 12:14:57 AM

palladiate: Still didn't save them from using C#.


C# is an excellent scratch pad for just about everything. It isn't the most elegant, fastest, or powerful. It is the most flexible and transparent proving ground for any code you want to write. Quick n dirty UI's for debugging, logic flow for isolated/non traceable code, etc. Great little sandbox.
 
2013-12-12 03:31:13 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: Nexzus: Some answerers there are real assholes.

Ever see one of those forums with one of those answerers who does absolutely nothing but respond "This isn't the correct place for that question, please take it elsewhere."? I never understood that.


These are the same people who end up running for HOA management and other similar busy-body tiny power roles, and should be shot on sight for the good of the human race.
 
2013-12-12 10:08:13 AM

italie: It isn't the most elegant, fastest, or powerful.


...but it's the language with the highest combined score in all three. Best RDBMS access story of all the languages I've used (including Ruby). LINQ is a masterpiece. Most C# developers give it so much love because of Visual Studio, which is the Cadillac of IDEs.
 
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