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(Salon)   Twelve TV shows that went on way past their prime. Sure, it has Glee on the list, but for some reason they put the US version of The Office on it too   (salon.com) divider line 39
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2013-12-11 08:53:20 AM
5 votes:
Regular Salon articles are bad enough, subby. Linking to a Salon slideshow should be a bannable offense.
2013-12-11 09:53:20 AM
4 votes:
The US The Office was about Michael Scott.  Series should have ended when he left.
2013-12-11 09:01:15 AM
4 votes:
Deslided

And no Firefly?
2013-12-11 07:07:00 PM
2 votes:

MayoSlather: Orgasmatron138: MASH, Happy Days, and Scrubs are the worst offenders.

I always thought MASH was watchable all the way through, diminished perhaps, but still enjoyable.

That 70's Show's final season was some of the worst TV I've ever seen, which was sad considering how great it was for several years.


I gotta disagree with you on that one. The last couple seasons of the 70's show was some of it's funniest moments.
I know erics replacment sucked. But it turned into such a dark show, subtle in some ways but still dark.

what with Kitty and her alcoholism and pill popping, then take a look at Red, I mean they never show it, but we are lead to belive he has beaten the entire cast at some point or another.


try rewatching the last couple seasons, just assuming the worst of each scenario. It's actually pretty funny.
2013-12-11 03:02:42 PM
2 votes:
Stargate SG1 is one that went on too long. They should have ended with the Gao'uld. Even with them bringing in actors in liked, the whole Oni plot line was just bad.
2013-12-11 12:54:43 PM
2 votes:

Fano: ThreadSinger: Fano: 13. Futurama

Canceled, if I recall.

It came back wrong. Mostly it just fools me into thinking it is as good as the original run, then we get the iPad episode


To clarify: canceled again. I agree, I find that their return to Comedy Central removed much of the censorship which drove them to make great episodes. I always think about that whenever I complain about how TV has the most hypocritical censoring rules; sometimes, it forces producers and writers to reallyget creative (Sneeds Seed and Feed, anyone?). A lot of the episodes after their return had blunt-but-terrible humor, IMHO.

A few gems though. That time travel one was great.
2013-12-11 12:21:15 PM
2 votes:

Andric: Stile4aly: Ctrl-Alt-Del: DammitIForgotMyLogin: No Dexter?

Yeah, Dexter could have been ended earlier, to much better effect

No BSG?

Frankly, I think that BSG went on for exactly the right length of time. the problem was that the story at the end blew donkey dick

The problem was a badly executed Deux Ex Machina and an insufficient explanation for the Colonists sudden bout of Ludditism.  It's not that either of these things was necessarily a bad idea, they just couldn't make them work.

The best explanation I've heard for Starbuck is that she's the reincarnation of Pythia.

The problem with BSG started well before the last season.  It started after New Caprica with the "Final Five" mystery storyline, which changed the nature of the show.  The writer's strike didn't help matters - the first half of season 4 is basically one long multi-part episode.  The pacing is so bad it's almost laughable.

That said, given how far the show had already gone off the rails, I didn't have any particular problem with the finale.


I think the flaw of the show was the promise from episode 1 that the Cylons had a plan.  The further the show went, the clearer it became that no such plan could exist and if that chaos had been acknowledged and embraced from the start the show wouldn't have had to twist itself into knots.

Ron Moore made a massive mistake by trying to tell an arc driven story without knowing what the end would be in advance, and I think part of that comes from the fact that he cut his teeth in the Star Trek universe where no problem goes unsolved for more than an episode or two.  Despite this, Moore and his writers had enough talent to overcome this fundamental problem for a long time, but as things drew to a close they were painted into a corner.
2013-12-11 11:59:39 AM
2 votes:
Lost should have wrapped it up in four seasons. They were never going to end it with an episode as brilliant and moving as "Through the Looking Glass", but they still had some great episodes ahead of them, like "The Constant". If they had streamlined everything from the final three seasons into one, it could have made for some riveting television.
2013-12-11 11:46:58 AM
2 votes:

Orgasmatron138: MASH, Happy Days, and Scrubs are the worst offenders.


I always thought MASH was watchable all the way through, diminished perhaps, but still enjoyable.

That 70's Show's final season was some of the worst TV I've ever seen, which was sad considering how great it was for several years.
2013-12-11 09:06:04 AM
2 votes:
What about "Two and a Half Men"?

I am still watching that one, just out of spite at this point. It sucks.
2013-12-12 09:01:18 AM
1 votes:
Let's face it. 99% of US shows fall into the trap of staying on well past their prime. You can start randomly listing series from the advent of TV on and be right about most all of them. All in the Family, The Cosby Show, Full House, ALF, The Jeffersons, Kung Fu, Mr. Ed, ST:TNG, it goes on and on. It's much more difficult to name shows that haven't run long past their expiration date. I would venture that most of that short list would be shows that are considered "classics" but were cancelled due to low viewership or changes in the network strategy, often before the original premise was fully explored - ST:TOS comes to mind.

Many of the series in TFA and in discussion here had some great initial stories and made for some compelling entertainment. However, once the original inspiration for the series had been brought to a conclusion, they then tried to prop up the franchise with hastily improvised plots. As many have noted here, the resolution of the original story (Twin Peaks), the departure of a founding character (X-Files), a meaningless change in location (Nip/Tuck), having kids (Mad About You), and following an original group past the initial setup (Glee) all are jump-the-shark moments and most TV executives can't see that continuing the franchise will do nothing but tarnish the overall product. Hell, most TV execs don't give a rat's arse about the quality of a show, as long as they can milk whatever ad revenue they can from a dwindling viewer base until the stream dries up.

I much prefer the BBC tactic of creating a short-run series, perhaps 4-8 episodes, that explores a complete story arc. Not only is it a great way to tell a coherent tale, it allows the network to more accurately gauge the longer term viability of a show. Something like "Prime Suspect" comes to mind.

I'm also kind of amused that TFA left out the ultimate example of jumping the shark and staying on the air waaaaay too long - Happy Days.
2013-12-12 02:01:54 AM
1 votes:

Smashed Hat: I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Heroes but then I remembered that we all agreed to pretend that show never existed so, um, sorry about bringing it up.


Heroes exists and it's a damn shame it was cancelled after only 1 season.
2013-12-12 01:59:36 AM
1 votes:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Heroes but then I remembered that we all agreed to pretend that show never existed so, um, sorry about bringing it up.

/ Anybody that thinks Venture Bros belongs on that list can go to Hell
2013-12-11 05:28:30 PM
1 votes:

extroverted_suicide: Babylon 5, Season 5 was an affront to everything decent in the world.

If  I have the story right, JMS originally planned for 5 seasons, then before filming S4 was told they were done so they shot their entire load to finish the story, and then TBS was all like, "Surprise, season 5 after all!"


It was frustrating. The story in Season 4 should have continued to about halfway through Season 5, according to JMS. But they had to rush things because of the cancellation concerns.

The telepath story and Molari stuff were meant to take up the last half of Season 5. That would have been much better from a pacing standpoint.
2013-12-11 05:27:28 PM
1 votes:

Saiga410: Breakiing Bad strangely absent.


I agree. I'd explain more fully by I'm barbecuing a steak to well done later tonight and need to finish the glaze of single malt scotch and mountain dew.
2013-12-11 05:18:09 PM
1 votes:

jgilb: According to Jim


It's prime was the opening credits of the pilot.  Everything beyond that was too long.
2013-12-11 04:30:51 PM
1 votes:
List fails without

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2013-12-11 04:26:41 PM
1 votes:

VogonPoet: Ctrl-F Friends

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/Really?


I hated that show since it started.
2013-12-11 04:23:08 PM
1 votes:
Ctrl-F Friends

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/Really?
2013-12-11 04:19:03 PM
1 votes:

extroverted_suicide: Babylon 5, Season 5 was an affront to everything decent in the world.

If  I have the story right, JMS originally planned for 5 seasons, then before filming S4 was told they were done so they shot their entire load to finish the story, and then TBS was all like, "Surprise, season 5 after all!"


It was TNT, but you have the basic story correct. That's what I will always respect JMS for, deciding to finish the story rather than let it end on a cliff-hanger. He even shot what still is one of the best series finales ever, just in case that was it for B5. So yes, the fifth season was disappointing, but I still liked it, and there were some very good moments in that season.

I absolutely loved the prequel movie In the Beginning, which was the best of the four TNT movies. Sadly, they wasted an opportunity to make a movie about the Telepath War, which would have been an utterly fantastic movie, or at least better than Thirdspace or River of Souls.
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2013-12-11 03:14:37 PM
1 votes:

Confabulat: Dexter and True Blood come to mind.


Dexter was so bad at the end that now I don't even want to read the books or rewatch any earlier episodes.
2013-12-11 02:25:01 PM
1 votes:

mechgreg: The only thing that really bugged me about the Seinfeld finale was that every time a guest star would show up (Teri Hatcher for example), they felt the need to show a clip from that star's original episode.


Well that and that they were on trial for being assholes which would make sense except they never really got away with being assholes in the series. They always got screwed over for being dicks. Then there's the goofy shiat that the prosecution somehow found the Soup Nazi and the guy who sold Elaine too many sponges and just the whole thing seemed like a fark you to the audience.
2013-12-11 02:12:07 PM
1 votes:

MayoSlather: macadamnut: [blogs.westword.com image 550x431]

Only the finale of Seinfeld was bad. The show was brilliant right up to that point.


The only thing that really bugged me about the Seinfeld finale was that every time a guest star would show up (Teri Hatcher for example), they felt the need to show a clip from that star's original episode. On top of that in a lot of the cases, like Teri Hatcher, the star also gave a recap of what happened in their original episode. It bugged me because before the finale there was already an hour long clip show/retrospective, so why are they showing more clips from old episodes? Why not use that time for more new jokes. It was like they were writing it for the millions of people who they expected to watch who had never seen the show before, not the millions of regular fans who didn't need a reminder who the Sidra or Babu or the Bubble boy or the Soup Nazi are.
2013-12-11 01:08:02 PM
1 votes:
www.nndb.com

What's going on in this thread?
2013-12-11 12:42:51 PM
1 votes:

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I would say that shows like Farscape, Breaking Bad, and The Wire are the only ones that seemed to have a definite and decent end.


I would add Babylon 5 as an "almost" in that category,  though the last minute "will we be renewed" shenanigans at the end of season 4 really marred the story - made the final season seem like an afterthought.

And I didn't mind the end of the Sopranos, though others will disagree.

 

Mugato: I don't know, I guess it's cliche at this point but I resent the entire series [Lost] for not having any idea of where they were going and how to end it. It's like starting a film shoot while you're still writing the script.


I agree, and will add that it is infuriating that they spent the first two or three seasons reassuring everyone that they knew exactly where it was going, and exactly how it would end.


You hear me, Cuse and Lindelof? Knowing what the final scene is going to be is not "knowing where you are going" nor is it even remotely akin to writing (or even planning) an actual story arc, you stupid, lazy, self important hacks
2013-12-11 12:42:25 PM
1 votes:

mcmnky: The US The Office was about Michael Scott.  Series should have ended when he left.


I disagree, because UK Office was about Tim and Dawn. US Office jumped the shark even before Jim and Pam got married.
2013-12-11 12:28:55 PM
1 votes:

MayoSlather: Orgasmatron138: MASH, Happy Days, and Scrubs are the worst offenders.

I always thought MASH was watchable all the way through, diminished perhaps, but still enjoyable.

That 70's Show's final season was some of the worst TV I've ever seen, which was sad considering how great it was for several years.


Watchable, yes, but in comparison to the show in its peak..... man.  And you are right about That 70s Show. It falls under the same rule as Scrubs and Happy Days - the main character left.

MASH did have a great finale, though. Klinger choosing to stay in Korea was one of the TVs greatest punchlines ever.
2013-12-11 12:27:58 PM
1 votes:
Mugato:

Trainspotr: Lost should have wrapped it up in four seasons. They were never going to end it with an episode as brilliant and moving as "Through the Looking Glass", but they still had some great episodes ahead of them, like "The Constant". If they had streamlined everything from the final three seasons into one, it could have made for some riveting television.

I don't know, I guess it's cliche at this point but I resent the entire series for not having any idea of where they were going and how to end it. It's like starting a film shoot while you're still writing the script.


I'm not going to pretend that the ending would have been better at the end of the fourth season, but I think everything leading up to that would have been much better and less stretched out if they hadn't spent half of the series' run on the denouement. Not to mention, everyone would have spent two fewer years invested in hoping they had an idea where they were going.
2013-12-11 12:26:48 PM
1 votes:
List fails without Dexter.
2013-12-11 12:21:53 PM
1 votes:
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No, seriously.

This show was fine when it was about a family raising five kids, a bit Jesusy without being too Jesusy.  But as the kids started getting older, and each needed their own growing-up problems, the crises became bizarre and unrealistic.  As the kids grew up and got their own lives and families, new kids were brought into the house to replace them (not new like new Becky, new like Chrissy and Luke from Growing Pains), and they were given their own new problems to deal with.  And there's the whole 11th season return thing.

Someone has to agree with me on this one.

/I know way too much about this show.
2013-12-11 12:20:30 PM
1 votes:
I say this as a big fan* of the show:
Sons of Anarchy.

Season three was maybe four episodes of story stretched into The Season That Didn't Need To Exist. I love Ron P., but Clay should have died long ago. I'm mostly liking the latest few episodes, but all this should have happened in season three or four. "Oh no! It's yet another complication dropped from the sky that will prolong Jax's attempts to go legit! And here comes another one! And another!"

*Still not over Opie.
2013-12-11 12:17:06 PM
1 votes:

ThreadSinger: Fano: 13. Futurama

Canceled, if I recall.


It came back wrong. Mostly it just fools me into thinking it is as good as the original run, then we get the iPad episode
2013-12-11 11:38:37 AM
1 votes:
There are damn few shows that can continue past 3 or 4 seasons and still be as good as they were in their prime.
2013-12-11 11:14:34 AM
1 votes:

DammitIForgotMyLogin: No Dexter?


Yeah, Dexter could have been ended earlier, to much better effect

No BSG?

Frankly, I think that BSG went on for exactly the right length of time. the problem was that the story at the end blew donkey dick
2013-12-11 10:51:33 AM
1 votes:

Whatthefark: Scrubs should be on the list. The final season was dreck.


Pretty much any show that tries to carry on after the main character leaves should be on that list.
2013-12-11 10:10:22 AM
1 votes:
13. Futurama
2013-12-11 09:52:01 AM
1 votes:
Dexter and True Blood come to mind.
2013-12-11 09:15:26 AM
1 votes:
No M*A*S*H?
2013-12-11 09:05:16 AM
1 votes:
A slideshow and frames. Nice.

Supernatural should have packed it in after the Apocalypse.
 
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