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2013-12-11 04:01:43 PM  
Spongebob
 
2013-12-11 04:05:06 PM  

extroverted_suicide: Babylon 5, Season 5 was an affront to everything decent in the world.

If  I have the story right, JMS originally planned for 5 seasons, then before filming S4 was told they were done so they shot their entire load to finish the story, and then TBS was all like, "Surprise, season 5 after all!"


I'd say that, but we did get "Day of the Dead" and "the Long Night of Londo Mollari".

/Buffy should have ended after Graduation.
//or "She Saved the World. A Lot."
 
2013-12-11 04:17:19 PM  
No Hogan's Heroes?
No I Love Lucy?
Matlock.
 
2013-12-11 04:19:03 PM  

extroverted_suicide: Babylon 5, Season 5 was an affront to everything decent in the world.

If  I have the story right, JMS originally planned for 5 seasons, then before filming S4 was told they were done so they shot their entire load to finish the story, and then TBS was all like, "Surprise, season 5 after all!"


It was TNT, but you have the basic story correct. That's what I will always respect JMS for, deciding to finish the story rather than let it end on a cliff-hanger. He even shot what still is one of the best series finales ever, just in case that was it for B5. So yes, the fifth season was disappointing, but I still liked it, and there were some very good moments in that season.

I absolutely loved the prequel movie In the Beginning, which was the best of the four TNT movies. Sadly, they wasted an opportunity to make a movie about the Telepath War, which would have been an utterly fantastic movie, or at least better than Thirdspace or River of Souls.
 
2013-12-11 04:23:08 PM  
Ctrl-F Friends

Phrase not found

/Really?
 
2013-12-11 04:23:26 PM  
According to Jim
 
2013-12-11 04:23:33 PM  

wildcardjack: No Hogan's Heroes?
No I Love Lucy?
Matlock.


Forgot about I Love Lucy. They should have ended the series instead of moving.
 
2013-12-11 04:26:41 PM  

VogonPoet: Ctrl-F Friends

Phrase not found

/Really?


I hated that show since it started.
 
2013-12-11 04:29:05 PM  

VogonPoet: Ctrl-F Friends

Phrase not found

/Really?


Really. Believe it or not, Friends never turned terrible. The ironic thing is that they tried to end it two seasons earlier, but their efforts to bring everything to a close made the show better, and more and more people tuned in. Each of the last three seasons was originally branded as "the last season." And unlike many other sitcoms that lasted as long, Friends did maintain its high quality until the end.
 
2013-12-11 04:30:51 PM  
List fails without

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2013-12-11 05:18:09 PM  

jgilb: According to Jim


It's prime was the opening credits of the pilot.  Everything beyond that was too long.
 
2013-12-11 05:27:28 PM  

Saiga410: Breakiing Bad strangely absent.


I agree. I'd explain more fully by I'm barbecuing a steak to well done later tonight and need to finish the glaze of single malt scotch and mountain dew.
 
2013-12-11 05:28:30 PM  

extroverted_suicide: Babylon 5, Season 5 was an affront to everything decent in the world.

If  I have the story right, JMS originally planned for 5 seasons, then before filming S4 was told they were done so they shot their entire load to finish the story, and then TBS was all like, "Surprise, season 5 after all!"


It was frustrating. The story in Season 4 should have continued to about halfway through Season 5, according to JMS. But they had to rush things because of the cancellation concerns.

The telepath story and Molari stuff were meant to take up the last half of Season 5. That would have been much better from a pacing standpoint.
 
2013-12-11 05:31:36 PM  
I can't believe no one mentioned Rosanne.  The last season, and part of the second to last season were absolutely dreadful.  In the least they should have just left it at Dan dying/David and Darlene getting married.

Family Matters also comes to mind, although I didn't watch it at the point when they switched moms and then every episode became about Urkle switching to Stephan who was a superstar.  In all fairness that show was probably terrible the whole time (I was a kid when I watched it though and it became even bad for child me).

I would also add 24 to the list.   The show really went downhill after Logan.  I mean I know why they kept it going, but by the end it was just a skeleton of the former show.  I can't believe they are bringing it back.

I would also add Fringe.  Once they went to the other side they should have just dealt with that and been done with it.  Making friends with the other side was just dumb.

Lost was pretty good until the last couple seasons and then it became fairly incoherent.  The last season was just terrible.  That one needed to tie up a lot of stuff, so perhaps it just needed to be re-written in the end.

All the others I had have been covered.

I won't agree with people saying Buffy though.  Even though I despise Season 7, I still feel like it was an appropriate ending for the show considering it went on after Season 5.  Of course I'm a rare one who actually likes Season 6.  Season 7 had almost nothing to offer except the finale.
 
2013-12-11 05:34:58 PM  
I would like to contribute Smallville and Burn Notice to the list.
 
2013-12-11 05:43:25 PM  

odinsposse: Saiga410: Breakiing Bad strangely absent.

I agree. I'd explain more fully by I'm barbecuing a steak to well done later tonight and need to finish the glaze of single malt scotch and mountain dew.


That response went on about 22 words longer than needed.
 
2013-12-11 05:45:13 PM  
Mugato: I don't know, I guess it's cliche at this point but I resent the entire series [Lost] for not having any idea of where they were going and how to end it. It's like starting a film shoot while you're still writing the script. I agree, and will add that it is infuriating that they spent the first two or three seasons reassuring everyone that they knew exactly where it was going, and exactly how it would end.

You hear me, Cuse and Lindelof? Knowing what the final scene is going to be is not "knowing where you are going" nor is it even remotely akin to writing (or even planning) an actual story arc, you stupid, lazy, self important hacks


So much THIS. Though I do like Cuse's Bates Motel, I can already see signs that the story will be stretched out beyond the breaking point if the show stays successful for A&E. The thing that bugged me most about LOST is that they set up all the mysteries in the first two seasons but then either dropped them (Claire's son Aaron, Waaaaaaaaaallllllllttttttttt for the most part etc.) or completely contradicted what we were already told (the DeGroots being wiped from the DHARMA history being the prime example). Plus, the way they literally tossed John aside, made Ben way more crazy than cunning and the whole stupid Jacob v. The Man Who Cannot Be Named thing, GAH.

Re: Seinfeld. The show died a horrible death the second Larry David left. I absolutely hated with all the fire of all the suns in the Andromeda Galaxy the last show in his run, where George smirks at Susan dying. I was glad to see it get shredded for that awful finale.

Sad to say, but as much as I love The Big Bang Theory, it's time for it to end. It won't, of course, due to the money still to be made but that's too bad.

Homeland needs to have a bullet put through it's collective head, stat.

I loved the first three seasons of the UK version of Being Human, but it should have ended after Mitchell left. I like the US version even more, but I hope this is the last season or else it's going to be "Yawn, the vampires can't find blood, Josh is still a werewolf and Sally is stuck in the house".
 
2013-12-11 06:16:02 PM  

PillsHere: I would also add 24 to the list.   The show really went downhill after Logan.  I mean I know why they kept it going, but by the end it was just a skeleton of the former show.  I can't believe they are bringing it back.


I still love 24. It wasn't perfect all the way through but I'm glad it's coming back. Love me some Chloe, that sarcastic biatch.

Never watched a frame of Rosanne.
 
2013-12-11 06:25:34 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Venture Bros? Adventure Time?


Venture Bros still has moments of inspired awesomeness but you're right that it has peaked.

Family Guy should have never come back from its initial cancellation.

Nova81426: I would like to contribute Smallville...


Oh, god, so much this. After, I think, season 5, it became hatewatch for me.
 
2013-12-11 07:04:33 PM  

verbaltoxin: Throw in this one: Sons of Anarchy should've ended back at season 4.

/SOA season 5 finale was bad enough, but season 6's was just pissing on its viewers.


SOA is one of the few "critically acclaimed" shows I ditched after four or five episodes, mostly based on one moment: when Jax shoots his girlfriend's stalker in the head, and then they start to fark beside his corpse.

That had to be some of the shiattiest writing I had seen.  I tuned in now and again in season 2, but never quite gave a shiat after that.
 
2013-12-11 07:07:00 PM  

MayoSlather: Orgasmatron138: MASH, Happy Days, and Scrubs are the worst offenders.

I always thought MASH was watchable all the way through, diminished perhaps, but still enjoyable.

That 70's Show's final season was some of the worst TV I've ever seen, which was sad considering how great it was for several years.


I gotta disagree with you on that one. The last couple seasons of the 70's show was some of it's funniest moments.
I know erics replacment sucked. But it turned into such a dark show, subtle in some ways but still dark.

what with Kitty and her alcoholism and pill popping, then take a look at Red, I mean they never show it, but we are lead to belive he has beaten the entire cast at some point or another.


try rewatching the last couple seasons, just assuming the worst of each scenario. It's actually pretty funny.
 
2013-12-11 07:12:20 PM  

Fireproof: Cletus C.: browntimmy: Cletus C.: Entourage? I could have handled at least a couple more seasons of that.

But go ahead and hate on The Simpsons. It proves just how superior you are.

Are you in denial? Even though it's still on it fell off the cultural radar like a decade ago. Hell, I still think of it as a '90s show.

Uhm, you may want to sit down for this. Since you left, Lionel Hutz, Troy McClure and Fat Tony all died in one horrific shooting.

Hartman only voiced Tony once. Wiki says that Joe Mantegna did it all the other times.


Nevermind the fact that Fat Tony was a frequent character long after Hartmans murder.
 
2013-12-11 07:46:04 PM  

Saiga410: Where SG1 where?


Yeah, the Ori arc kinda sucked ass. And Browder was no Richard Dean Anderson.

Nova81426: I would like to contribute Smallville and Burn Notice to the list.


Smallville definitely went on too long. Granted I liked the stuff with the JSA and Hawkman and Doctor Fate. The biggest problem they had in Smallville was keeping Lana around for as long as they did.

Thurston Howell: List fails without

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Hey now, that's not nice, that show is finally getting good. They aren't focusing on Skye as much and we're finally getting into the characters pasts, and it's getting interesting. Even Captain cardboard has gotten a bit better.

I will agree with others that Supernatural should have had a nice perfect ending at season 5 after Dean and Sam are taken by Lucifer and Michael, but there's definitely some gems in the seasons afterwards. The entire season with the Leviathans sucked ass, but if the showrunners hadn't kept it going we would have never gotten my favorite scene in the entire run of the show.
Cas is just comedy gold.

I'm one of the few who liked bits and pieces of Buffy after graduation, but they could have definitely been better.
 
2013-12-11 07:49:13 PM  
Saiga410: Where SG1 where?

Yeah, the Ori arc kinda sucked ass. And Browder was no Richard Dean Anderson.


Counterpoint: Claudia Black.
 
2013-12-11 07:51:13 PM  

Snapper Carr: Saiga410: Where SG1 where?

Yeah, the Ori arc kinda sucked ass. And Browder was no Richard Dean Anderson.

Counterpoint: Claudia Black.


I'll give you Valla, but she just wasn't good enough to keep the last couple seasons up to snuff with the rest of the show.
 
2013-12-11 07:52:44 PM  

Whatthefark: Scrubs should be on the list. The final season was dreck.



I don't know what you're talking about. There was a sweet finale with a picture into JD and Turk's future with their kids getting married and THERE WERE NO MORE EPISODES AFTER THAT!
 
2013-12-11 07:59:42 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Night Court should have been on the list. Dan as a phantom type character was stupid.


I just saw that one two days ago (after many years) and I agree, it was really stupid.
 
2013-12-11 08:05:13 PM  
shocked no one has mentioned Arrested Development yet
 
2013-12-11 09:10:38 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Fano: ThreadSinger: Fano: 13. Futurama

Canceled, if I recall.

It came back wrong. Mostly it just fools me into thinking it is as good as the original run, then we get the iPad episode

Yep. While there were still a couple gold episodes (The late Philip J. Fry being the best), overall it was pretty meh.

And I firmly believe it was because of the move to Comedy Central. When they were on Fox, they had to toe the line on what what they could get past the radar. Their risque jokes were subtle, but paid off well. When they moved to CC, they had too much freedom. It went from a joke about the molecular structure of farts to just a really loud fart noise.


Very  much agreed.  I just started watching the ... 9th? season on Netflix - by which I mean, I randomly picked an episode with the least-bad-sounding description (saturday morning cartoon parody episode).  Very, very weak.

All of this is a shame because I felt, on average, the "bridge" movies (Bender's Game, Beast With a Billion Backs, etc.) were pretty good.  And I loved the recurring gags about "Executive Powder."
 
2013-12-11 09:20:18 PM  

Mateorocks: r1niceboy: Red Shirt Blues: No M*A*S*H?

That sucked the moment they put the laugh track on it.

I think the series started with a laugh track and had one right up until it became a full-on dramedy (somewhere around Winchester's arrival.) So maybe you're just sayin' that the whole series sucked?

That's crazy talk.


The first season didn't. They got rid of Spearchucker and replaced him with a laugh track starting with the second. Apart from a few odd instances, it sucked balls for a decade afterwards.
 
2013-12-11 10:04:46 PM  
The Office started sucking when they started with that Sabre crap, and Michael leaving was the final nail. It should have ended years before it did.
 
2013-12-11 11:03:36 PM  
Why the fark on Satan's smoldering earth is 'The Amazing Race' still around?!?!?!
 
2013-12-11 11:16:48 PM  
I love "The Office, but seasons 6-8 were not very good. As has been mentioned, season 9 was a solid ending. It  never captured the magic of seasons 2-4, but there were glimmers. Somehow Parks & Rec helped to make the later seasons of The Office easier to handle.

/Sure that several farkers will think my taste in TV is bad and I should feel bad.
 
2013-12-11 11:43:24 PM  
Am I the only one that thought The Office sucked?  I sat through an episode of the UK version, didn't even crack a smile.  The ads for the US version didn't make it seem even half as good.

Also, no mention of Honey Boo Boo, Ice Truckers, Crab Fisting, Storage Wars, or any of those shows yet?
 
2013-12-12 12:03:41 AM  

Mugato: PillsHere: I would also add 24 to the list.   The show really went downhill after Logan.  I mean I know why they kept it going, but by the end it was just a skeleton of the former show.  I can't believe they are bringing it back.

I still love 24. It wasn't perfect all the way through but I'm glad it's coming back. Love me some Chloe, that sarcastic biatch.

Never watched a frame of Rosanne.


I found it strange that 24 went straight from season 5 to season 7 without having a season 6 in between.  It was a bold move.

Other show:  Prison Break - Originally greenlit for just the first 13 episodes, then segued that pretty well into a full season, and then from there I think season 2 worked out pretty well (not counting the last 10 minutes or so.)  After that we're just in ridiculous nosedive terrible territory for the rest of the run.
 
2013-12-12 01:09:09 AM  

CZMisfitsFan: Californication is still decent.  Really can't see how they'll end it without killing Hank off in some drug and sex fueled blaze of glory.


I stopped watching after the first season because I thought first season finale was a great ending to the show.
 
2013-12-12 01:59:36 AM  
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Heroes but then I remembered that we all agreed to pretend that show never existed so, um, sorry about bringing it up.

/ Anybody that thinks Venture Bros belongs on that list can go to Hell
 
2013-12-12 02:01:54 AM  

Smashed Hat: I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Heroes but then I remembered that we all agreed to pretend that show never existed so, um, sorry about bringing it up.


Heroes exists and it's a damn shame it was cancelled after only 1 season.
 
2013-12-12 06:33:17 AM  

VogonPoet: Ctrl-F Friends

Phrase not found

/Really?


Friends was good from start to finish, if you liked the show in the first place (yes yes I know many Farkers hate this show; StopLikingWhatIDon'tLike.jpg and all that).  A rare case of a show that bowed out on top, even after a long run.
 
2013-12-12 08:36:00 AM  

Thurston Howell: List fails without

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Don't worry.  I don't think you need to worry about SHIELD outliving shelf life.  If rumors are true, it might be the next 'Firefly' for Joss.


Of course ABC's decision to put it up against NCIS was stupid to begin with.  There was a natural spot on Wednesday night at 8pm EST where there was not any real competition but the ABC execs stupidly decided to try their hand with their most important new show of the season, and biggest, against the number 1 show on TV.  A show whose rating have not declined in the last couple years.


Anyway, enjoy SHIELD while you can....
 
2013-12-12 08:54:07 AM  

bluenote13: Of course ABC's decision to put it up against NCIS was stupid to begin with.  There was a natural spot on Wednesday night at 8pm EST where there was not any real competition but the ABC execs stupidly decided to try their hand with their most important new show of the season, and biggest, against the number 1 show on TV.  A show whose rating have not declined in the last couple years.


Of course the biggest fault with the SHIELD show is the fact that the writing is pretty much on par with a syndicated action adventure show filmed in New Zealand.

As far as putting it on Wednesdays goes, that would mean putting it up against Arrow. Two super hero shows on the same timeslot is a good way to lose a good chunk of your audience. Plus American Idol comes back in January and while it is not the ratings monster it once was, it would be pretty serious competition as well. Plus Wednesday seems to be ABC's comedy night, which is pretty successful in its own right. Not sure they would want to mess with that.
 
2013-12-12 08:56:44 AM  

bluenote13: Don't worry.  I don't think you need to worry about SHIELD outliving shelf life.  If rumors are true, it might be the next 'Firefly' for Joss.


I dunno, doesn't Disney own ABC? I thought the whole point of the show was to keep the Avengers in the public consciousness or whatever. Then again if people hate the show that much it might have the opposite effect. It's not a good sign when the ex-husband from The New Adventures of Old Christine is the most interesting character.
 
2013-12-12 09:01:18 AM  
Let's face it. 99% of US shows fall into the trap of staying on well past their prime. You can start randomly listing series from the advent of TV on and be right about most all of them. All in the Family, The Cosby Show, Full House, ALF, The Jeffersons, Kung Fu, Mr. Ed, ST:TNG, it goes on and on. It's much more difficult to name shows that haven't run long past their expiration date. I would venture that most of that short list would be shows that are considered "classics" but were cancelled due to low viewership or changes in the network strategy, often before the original premise was fully explored - ST:TOS comes to mind.

Many of the series in TFA and in discussion here had some great initial stories and made for some compelling entertainment. However, once the original inspiration for the series had been brought to a conclusion, they then tried to prop up the franchise with hastily improvised plots. As many have noted here, the resolution of the original story (Twin Peaks), the departure of a founding character (X-Files), a meaningless change in location (Nip/Tuck), having kids (Mad About You), and following an original group past the initial setup (Glee) all are jump-the-shark moments and most TV executives can't see that continuing the franchise will do nothing but tarnish the overall product. Hell, most TV execs don't give a rat's arse about the quality of a show, as long as they can milk whatever ad revenue they can from a dwindling viewer base until the stream dries up.

I much prefer the BBC tactic of creating a short-run series, perhaps 4-8 episodes, that explores a complete story arc. Not only is it a great way to tell a coherent tale, it allows the network to more accurately gauge the longer term viability of a show. Something like "Prime Suspect" comes to mind.

I'm also kind of amused that TFA left out the ultimate example of jumping the shark and staying on the air waaaaay too long - Happy Days.
 
2013-12-12 09:01:34 AM  

mechgreg: bluenote13: Of course ABC's decision to put it up against NCIS was stupid to begin with.  There was a natural spot on Wednesday night at 8pm EST where there was not any real competition but the ABC execs stupidly decided to try their hand with their most important new show of the season, and biggest, against the number 1 show on TV.  A show whose rating have not declined in the last couple years.

Of course the biggest fault with the SHIELD show is the fact that the writing is pretty much on par with a syndicated action adventure show filmed in New Zealand.

As far as putting it on Wednesdays goes, that would mean putting it up against Arrow. Two super hero shows on the same timeslot is a good way to lose a good chunk of your audience. Plus American Idol comes back in January and while it is not the ratings monster it once was, it would be pretty serious competition as well. Plus Wednesday seems to be ABC's comedy night, which is pretty successful in its own right. Not sure they would want to mess with that.


Forgot about Arrow since it airs an hour later here in St Louis (local news is on at 7 then Arrow at 8).

On the other hand, I would think ABC wouldn't mind that because 1) Arrow is a DC character and SHIELD is Marvel. Why not go directly after the competition?  and 2)  Arrow draws a 1.0 rating each week, NCIS is abot triple that in the 18-49 numbers.  And overall about 17-19 million people watch NCIS and Arrow is about 2-3 million.

As far as American Idol goes.  I would rather challenge a show whose ratings have dropped significantly the last couple years than a show who has held steady.
 
2013-12-12 09:19:10 AM  

bluenote13: Don't worry.  I don't think you need to worry about SHIELD outliving shelf life.  If rumors are true, it might be the next 'Firefly' for Joss.


Of course ABC's decision to put it up against NCIS was stupid to begin with.


And, on cue, the Whedon apologists have their song and dance memorized by now. Everybody now, "It's the network's fault the show failed."

Whedon fans, you know that joke about Taylor Swift breaking up so many times, and at some point it might be time for her to realize it might be her fault?

Isn't this Whedon's third cancellation in 10 years?

At what point do we move past blaming the networks for a Joss Whedon show tanking?
 
2013-12-12 09:28:44 AM  

bluenote13: Forgot about Arrow since it airs an hour later here in St Louis (local news is on at 7 then Arrow at 8).

On the other hand, I would think ABC wouldn't mind that because 1) Arrow is a DC character and SHIELD is Marvel. Why not go directly after the competition?  and 2)  Arrow draws a 1.0 rating each week, NCIS is abot triple that in the 18-49 numbers.  And overall about 17-19 million people watch NCIS and Arrow is about 2-3 million.

As far as American Idol goes.  I would rather challenge a show whose ratings have dropped significantly the last couple years than a show who has held steady.


I am not sure if network suits would really make a distinction between a show with DC characters and a show with Marvel characters. They would just see both shows as shows with comic book geeks as their core audiences. I see your point about NCIS versus American Idol and Arrow but I will throw something else into the mix. NCIS gets huge ratings, but my understanding is it skews pretty old. AI (and I assume Arrow) would probably skew towards a younger audience, the same audience that I imagine SHIELD is going after (since advertisers pay a premium to attract younger viewers).
 
2013-12-12 09:36:50 AM  

EyeballKid: At what point do we move past blaming the networks for a Joss Whedon show tanking?


I only blame them for Firefly. SHIELD just isn't that great. I do watch it because it's not terrible but it's not great.
 
2013-12-12 09:41:11 AM  

Mugato: EyeballKid: At what point do we move past blaming the networks for a Joss Whedon show tanking?

I only blame them for Firefly. SHIELD just isn't that great. I do watch it because it's not terrible but it's not great.


Agreed, SHIELD is tanking because it is an average show in a time when there are so many good shows available from multiple different mediums.
 
2013-12-12 09:43:07 AM  

mechgreg: Mugato: EyeballKid: At what point do we move past blaming the networks for a Joss Whedon show tanking?

I only blame them for Firefly. SHIELD just isn't that great. I do watch it because it's not terrible but it's not great.

Agreed, SHIELD is tanking because it is an average show in a time when there are so many good shows available from multiple different mediums.


Yeah, I'd say it's basically NCIS except with no likable characters, a few VFX, sprinkled with some Avengers name dropping.
 
2013-12-12 10:10:30 AM  
IMHO, Some of the funniest episodes of The King of Queens are in the eighth (second to last) season. The last season is definitely where it starts falling apart, so I wouldn't say it went "way" too long.
 
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