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2013-12-11 08:53:20 AM  
Regular Salon articles are bad enough, subby. Linking to a Salon slideshow should be a bannable offense.
 
2013-12-11 09:01:15 AM  
Deslided

And no Firefly?
 
2013-12-11 09:05:16 AM  
A slideshow and frames. Nice.

Supernatural should have packed it in after the Apocalypse.
 
2013-12-11 09:06:04 AM  
What about "Two and a Half Men"?

I am still watching that one, just out of spite at this point. It sucks.
 
2013-12-11 09:15:26 AM  
No M*A*S*H?
 
2013-12-11 09:39:07 AM  
Entourage? I could have handled at least a couple more seasons of that.

But go ahead and hate on The Simpsons. It proves just how superior you are.
 
2013-12-11 09:47:28 AM  
Frasier went on just long enough provided you ignore seasons 5-7.
 
2013-12-11 09:52:01 AM  
Dexter and True Blood come to mind.
 
2013-12-11 09:53:20 AM  
The US The Office was about Michael Scott.  Series should have ended when he left.
 
2013-12-11 09:56:59 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Deslided

And no Firefly?


GWARRGH!

FIREFLY BEST SHOW EVAR!

12,000 BROWNCOATS ARE TAKING THE BUS TO YOUR HOUSE RIGHT NOW.
 
2013-12-11 10:10:22 AM  
13. Futurama
 
2013-12-11 10:10:43 AM  
No Dexter?

No BSG?
 
2013-12-11 10:13:46 AM  

Fox10456: scottydoesntknow: Deslided

And no Firefly?

GWARRGH!

FIREFLY BEST SHOW EVAR!

12,000 BROWNCOATS ARE TAKING THE BUS TO YOUR HOUSE RIGHT NOW.


Ya. It was a good show. It's right up there with 'holy grail' for shows which were good but the fans have ruined with their constant requiring and obsession with.
 
2013-12-11 10:14:27 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Deslided

And no Firefly?


One season was enough to put it past its prime? You must have really hated it.
 
2013-12-11 10:15:44 AM  

Cletus C.: Entourage? I could have handled at least a couple more seasons of that.

But go ahead and hate on The Simpsons. It proves just how superior you are.


Are you in denial? Even though it's still on it fell off the cultural radar like a decade ago. Hell, I still think of it as a '90s show.
 
2013-12-11 10:16:50 AM  
X-Files is a good choice, but not for the reason mentioned. The movie was very successful. The show should have ended there, abandoned all the non-alien arc stories, and moved completely to cinema.

Bones is a show I'd add to this list. At least most of the other shows were watchable past their prime if you were an original fan... Bones completely abandoned all of its early character development in the later seasons. And the in-script Toyota commercials are just ridiculous.

Cletus C.: But go ahead and hate on The Simpsons. It proves just how superior you are.

Five years ago, I would have agreed with the article about The Simpsons. Back then, I stopped watching it altogether... syndicated reruns, new episodes - everything for about three years. And you know what? When I came back to it, it was pretty damn funny. So it definitely doesn't belong on the list; people just need to take a break from it every few years if it gets old.

Mugato: Supernatural should have packed it in after the Apocalypse.

Same category as House and Buffy for me. They had great ending points, came back after those points without anywhere new to take the story... but have still provided a handful of very good individual episodes even after their prime. I'll still take an over-ripened Supernatural over most other TV shows.
 
2013-12-11 10:26:46 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: No BSG?


BLASPHEMER!!!
 
2013-12-11 10:29:12 AM  

browntimmy: Cletus C.: Entourage? I could have handled at least a couple more seasons of that.

But go ahead and hate on The Simpsons. It proves just how superior you are.

Are you in denial? Even though it's still on it fell off the cultural radar like a decade ago. Hell, I still think of it as a '90s show.


Uhm, you may want to sit down for this. Since you left, Lionel Hutz, Troy McClure and Fat Tony all died in one horrific shooting.
 
2013-12-11 10:36:48 AM  
Modern Family should have ended when Gloria had the baby.
 
2013-12-11 10:38:08 AM  
Venture Bros? Adventure Time?
 
2013-12-11 10:38:18 AM  

Fano: 13. Futurama


Canceled, if I recall.
 
2013-12-11 10:40:30 AM  

Mugato: A slideshow and frames. Nice.

Supernatural should have packed it in after the Apocalypse.


As Dean would say, " You shut your mouth." I disagree, the show is still good with glimpses of great. I wouldn't mind seeing it bow out after an even 10.
Idget.
 
2013-12-11 10:49:26 AM  

DMZ DEATH: Mugato: A slideshow and frames. Nice.

Supernatural should have packed it in after the Apocalypse.

As Dean would say, " You shut your mouth." I disagree, the show is still good with glimpses of great. I wouldn't mind seeing it bow out after an even 10.
Idget.


I know CW execs want a Season 10 and that they're planning a spin-off about a group of hunters set in Chicago.  I really hope they just wrap up this season and stop because, at the rate they're going, they're not going to get out of the current storyline without actual Divine Intervention.  They've jumped the shark more times than it can ever be jumped yet still manage to serve up some awesome.  They can't possibly push their luck for much longer.
 
2013-12-11 10:49:41 AM  
Scrubs should be on the list. The final season was dreck.
 
2013-12-11 10:51:33 AM  

Whatthefark: Scrubs should be on the list. The final season was dreck.


Pretty much any show that tries to carry on after the main character leaves should be on that list.
 
2013-12-11 10:52:47 AM  
Only really watched The Office and Weeds from that list.  The Office's 8th season was a major letdown, but its final season was tremendous and its finale was the kind of finale other shows dream of pulling off.  Weeds also finished satisfactory, though it was at its best when Nancy was just a fun pot dealer instead of running from the Mexican cartel.

But no True Blood?  How I Met Your Mother?  My Name Is Earl?  Oz?  Dawson's Creek

/perhaps one of those shouldn't have been included.
 
2013-12-11 10:56:31 AM  

brigid_fitch: DMZ DEATH: Mugato: A slideshow and frames. Nice.

Supernatural should have packed it in after the Apocalypse.

As Dean would say, " You shut your mouth." I disagree, the show is still good with glimpses of great. I wouldn't mind seeing it bow out after an even 10.
Idget.

I know CW execs want a Season 10 and that they're planning a spin-off about a group of hunters set in Chicago.  I really hope they just wrap up this season and stop because, at the rate they're going, they're not going to get out of the current storyline without actual Divine Intervention.  They've jumped the shark more times than it can ever be jumped yet still manage to serve up some awesome.  They can't possibly push their luck for much longer.


From Eric Kripke himself: "Its not jumping the shark if you never come down."
 
2013-12-11 10:57:47 AM  

Fano: 13. Futurama


that's it! you're on the list!
 
2013-12-11 11:13:28 AM  
There are soooooo many... Dallas. Seinfeld. Three's Company. Diff'rent Strokes. The Jeffersons. All in the Family. Everybody Loves Raymond.
 
2013-12-11 11:14:34 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: No Dexter?


Yeah, Dexter could have been ended earlier, to much better effect

No BSG?

Frankly, I think that BSG went on for exactly the right length of time. the problem was that the story at the end blew donkey dick
 
2013-12-11 11:14:56 AM  
Where SG1 where?
 
2013-12-11 11:22:12 AM  

the_rev: What about "Two and a Half Men"?

I am still watching that one, just out of spite at this point. It sucks.


That'll learn em.
 
2013-12-11 11:23:49 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: DammitIForgotMyLogin: No Dexter?

Yeah, Dexter could have been ended earlier, to much better effect

No BSG?

Frankly, I think that BSG went on for exactly the right length of time. the problem was that the story at the end blew donkey dick


Well, BSG's producers were sure the show was about to get cancelled at the end of season 3 or 4, I think, so they wrote this hugely depressing ending about them finding Earth, which turns out to be an atomic wasteland.  It was a perfect ending and it could have manufactured a few TV SPECIAL sequels.  Then they got renewed and started the whole "hey, look!  Starbuck's dead/alive/Angel!" angle, which was painful at times.  Still, the worst BSG episodes blow away 97% of other TV.

I would say that shows like Farscape, Breaking Bad, and The Wire are the only ones that seemed to have a definite and decent end.

\yeah, yeah, the Peacekeeper Wars
 
2013-12-11 11:30:23 AM  
Season 8 of the Office was pretty abysmal, but Season 9 was a definite improvement, and the finale was outstanding.
 
2013-12-11 11:33:31 AM  
Magnum P.I. - They had a great ending after seven seasons, with Magnum dying nobly and walking off with a smile to heaven, but "an outcry of the fans" (=$$$) made them revive him for an eighth season. Ruined the whole thing.
 
2013-12-11 11:38:37 AM  
There are damn few shows that can continue past 3 or 4 seasons and still be as good as they were in their prime.
 
2013-12-11 11:38:45 AM  
MASH, Happy Days, and Scrubs are the worst offenders.
 
2013-12-11 11:42:23 AM  
DammitIForgotMyLogin:

No BSG?

"Way past"? No.  Half a season past? yes.
 
2013-12-11 11:43:30 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: DammitIForgotMyLogin: No Dexter?

Yeah, Dexter could have been ended earlier, to much better effect

No BSG?

Frankly, I think that BSG went on for exactly the right length of time. the problem was that the story at the end blew donkey dick


The problem was a badly executed Deux Ex Machina and an insufficient explanation for the Colonists sudden bout of Ludditism.  It's not that either of these things was necessarily a bad idea, they just couldn't make them work.

The best explanation I've heard for Starbuck is that she's the reincarnation of Pythia.
 
2013-12-11 11:45:22 AM  
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2013-12-11 11:46:58 AM  

Orgasmatron138: MASH, Happy Days, and Scrubs are the worst offenders.


I always thought MASH was watchable all the way through, diminished perhaps, but still enjoyable.

That 70's Show's final season was some of the worst TV I've ever seen, which was sad considering how great it was for several years.
 
2013-12-11 11:48:54 AM  
Breakiing Bad strangely absent.
 
2013-12-11 11:50:35 AM  
Glad 'Weeds' and X-Files are on there. List is missing Buffy. I loved Buffy, but by the last two seasons, it was getting a little silly at times.

/Only through season 4 of Dexter so far and it's already getting stale, so I imagine once finished I'd add that to the list too.
 
2013-12-11 11:52:06 AM  
My list: Any non-cartoon series that went past the 100 episode mark

You've got a story to tell. Tell it. There is no story long enough to take more than 100 episodes, you're either dragging things out waaay too long, jumping the shark or churning out crap that people still tune in for out of habit.
 
2013-12-11 11:53:09 AM  

Stile4aly: Ctrl-Alt-Del: DammitIForgotMyLogin: No Dexter?

Yeah, Dexter could have been ended earlier, to much better effect

No BSG?

Frankly, I think that BSG went on for exactly the right length of time. the problem was that the story at the end blew donkey dick

The problem was a badly executed Deux Ex Machina and an insufficient explanation for the Colonists sudden bout of Ludditism.  It's not that either of these things was necessarily a bad idea, they just couldn't make them work.

The best explanation I've heard for Starbuck is that she's the reincarnation of Pythia.


The problem with BSG started well before the last season.  It started after New Caprica with the "Final Five" mystery storyline, which changed the nature of the show.  The writer's strike didn't help matters - the first half of season 4 is basically one long multi-part episode.  The pacing is so bad it's almost laughable.

That said, given how far the show had already gone off the rails, I didn't have any particular problem with the finale.
 
2013-12-11 11:59:39 AM  
Lost should have wrapped it up in four seasons. They were never going to end it with an episode as brilliant and moving as "Through the Looking Glass", but they still had some great episodes ahead of them, like "The Constant". If they had streamlined everything from the final three seasons into one, it could have made for some riveting television.
 
2013-12-11 12:02:13 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: There are damn few shows that can continue past 3 or 4 seasons and still be as good as they were in their prime.


Five seasons seems to be the right number.  Five years is a good time for both an audience and the creators to spend with a show.  That should be enough time for a show's full potential to be explored, especially now that we're starting to treat shows less like ongoing situations and more like contained narratives.
 
2013-12-11 12:10:01 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ctrl-Alt-Del: DammitIForgotMyLogin: No Dexter?

Yeah, Dexter could have been ended earlier, to much better effect

No BSG?

Frankly, I think that BSG went on for exactly the right length of time. the problem was that the story at the end blew donkey dick

Well, BSG's producers were sure the show was about to get cancelled at the end of season 3 or 4, I think, so they wrote this hugely depressing ending about them finding Earth, which turns out to be an atomic wasteland.  It was a perfect ending and it could have manufactured a few TV SPECIAL sequels.  Then they got renewed and started the whole "hey, look!  Starbuck's dead/alive/Angel!" angle, which was painful at times.  Still, the worst BSG episodes blow away 97% of other TV.

I would say that shows like Farscape, Breaking Bad, and The Wire are the only ones that seemed to have a definite and decent end.

\yeah, yeah, the Peacekeeper Wars


BSG peaked at New Caprica/Pegasus. Nothing after that was worth watching. It was just a long, long slide in to garbage.
 
2013-12-11 12:10:48 PM  
Completely agree with the inclusion of The Office.  It started to quickly go downhill after a few seasons and became almost unwatchable at one point.  The last season wasn't bad though.

Agree with Entourage too, but that wasn't ever really a good show to begin with.
 
2013-12-11 12:17:06 PM  

ThreadSinger: Fano: 13. Futurama

Canceled, if I recall.


It came back wrong. Mostly it just fools me into thinking it is as good as the original run, then we get the iPad episode
 
2013-12-11 12:19:52 PM  

DMZ DEATH: Supernatural should have packed it in after the Apocalypse.

As Dean would say, " You shut your mouth." I disagree, the show is still good with glimpses of great. I wouldn't mind seeing it bow out after an even 10.
Idget.


I think Supernatural should have ended with Lucifer using Sam as a vessel and Michael using Dean as a vessel as planned and they both regained control and everyone went to Hell, stopping the Apocalypse. It would have been dark as hell but it would have been a perfect symmetrical ending. 

Trainspotr: Lost should have wrapped it up in four seasons. They were never going to end it with an episode as brilliant and moving as "Through the Looking Glass", but they still had some great episodes ahead of them, like "The Constant". If they had streamlined everything from the final three seasons into one, it could have made for some riveting television.


I don't know, I guess it's cliche at this point but I resent the entire series for not having any idea of where they were going and how to end it. It's like starting a film shoot while you're still writing the script.

Seven years seemed to work for the 3 Star Trek series that weren't canceled. DS9 had a singular story arc that was resolved. They knew they were aiming for 7 seasons so it wasn't too short to resolve everything (The Sarah Connor Chronicles) and it wasn't too long that they did everything they wanted and spent the rest of the series with their dicks int heir hand (Supernatural).
 
2013-12-11 12:20:30 PM  
I say this as a big fan* of the show:
Sons of Anarchy.

Season three was maybe four episodes of story stretched into The Season That Didn't Need To Exist. I love Ron P., but Clay should have died long ago. I'm mostly liking the latest few episodes, but all this should have happened in season three or four. "Oh no! It's yet another complication dropped from the sky that will prolong Jax's attempts to go legit! And here comes another one! And another!"

*Still not over Opie.
 
2013-12-11 12:21:15 PM  

Andric: Stile4aly: Ctrl-Alt-Del: DammitIForgotMyLogin: No Dexter?

Yeah, Dexter could have been ended earlier, to much better effect

No BSG?

Frankly, I think that BSG went on for exactly the right length of time. the problem was that the story at the end blew donkey dick

The problem was a badly executed Deux Ex Machina and an insufficient explanation for the Colonists sudden bout of Ludditism.  It's not that either of these things was necessarily a bad idea, they just couldn't make them work.

The best explanation I've heard for Starbuck is that she's the reincarnation of Pythia.

The problem with BSG started well before the last season.  It started after New Caprica with the "Final Five" mystery storyline, which changed the nature of the show.  The writer's strike didn't help matters - the first half of season 4 is basically one long multi-part episode.  The pacing is so bad it's almost laughable.

That said, given how far the show had already gone off the rails, I didn't have any particular problem with the finale.


I think the flaw of the show was the promise from episode 1 that the Cylons had a plan.  The further the show went, the clearer it became that no such plan could exist and if that chaos had been acknowledged and embraced from the start the show wouldn't have had to twist itself into knots.

Ron Moore made a massive mistake by trying to tell an arc driven story without knowing what the end would be in advance, and I think part of that comes from the fact that he cut his teeth in the Star Trek universe where no problem goes unsolved for more than an episode or two.  Despite this, Moore and his writers had enough talent to overcome this fundamental problem for a long time, but as things drew to a close they were painted into a corner.
 
2013-12-11 12:21:53 PM  
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No, seriously.

This show was fine when it was about a family raising five kids, a bit Jesusy without being too Jesusy.  But as the kids started getting older, and each needed their own growing-up problems, the crises became bizarre and unrealistic.  As the kids grew up and got their own lives and families, new kids were brought into the house to replace them (not new like new Becky, new like Chrissy and Luke from Growing Pains), and they were given their own new problems to deal with.  And there's the whole 11th season return thing.

Someone has to agree with me on this one.

/I know way too much about this show.
 
2013-12-11 12:24:12 PM  
"Married With Children" had three seasons too many.
 
2013-12-11 12:26:48 PM  
List fails without Dexter.
 
2013-12-11 12:27:58 PM  
Mugato:

Trainspotr: Lost should have wrapped it up in four seasons. They were never going to end it with an episode as brilliant and moving as "Through the Looking Glass", but they still had some great episodes ahead of them, like "The Constant". If they had streamlined everything from the final three seasons into one, it could have made for some riveting television.

I don't know, I guess it's cliche at this point but I resent the entire series for not having any idea of where they were going and how to end it. It's like starting a film shoot while you're still writing the script.


I'm not going to pretend that the ending would have been better at the end of the fourth season, but I think everything leading up to that would have been much better and less stretched out if they hadn't spent half of the series' run on the denouement. Not to mention, everyone would have spent two fewer years invested in hoping they had an idea where they were going.
 
2013-12-11 12:28:34 PM  

Stile4aly: Ron Moore made a massive mistake by trying to tell an arc driven story without knowing what the end would be in advance, and I think part of that comes from the fact that he cut his teeth in the Star Trek universe where no problem goes unsolved for more than an episode or two


Well DS9 had an overall arc and I never thought that they didn't know where they were going.
 
2013-12-11 12:28:55 PM  

MayoSlather: Orgasmatron138: MASH, Happy Days, and Scrubs are the worst offenders.

I always thought MASH was watchable all the way through, diminished perhaps, but still enjoyable.

That 70's Show's final season was some of the worst TV I've ever seen, which was sad considering how great it was for several years.


Watchable, yes, but in comparison to the show in its peak..... man.  And you are right about That 70s Show. It falls under the same rule as Scrubs and Happy Days - the main character left.

MASH did have a great finale, though. Klinger choosing to stay in Korea was one of the TVs greatest punchlines ever.
 
2013-12-11 12:29:46 PM  

Stile4aly: I think the flaw of the show was the promise from episode 1 that the Cylons had a plan.  The further the show went, the clearer it became that no such plan could exist and if that chaos had been acknowledged and embraced from the start the show wouldn't have had to twist itself into knots.

Ron Moore made a massive mistake by trying to tell an arc driven story without knowing what the end would be in advance, and I think part of that comes from the fact that he cut his teeth in the Star Trek universe where no problem goes unsolved for more than an episode or two.  Despite this, Moore and his writers had enough talent to overcome this fundamental problem for a long time, but as things drew to a close they were painted into a corner.


That whole "They have a plan" thing was something he was against anyway.  I don't know if it was David Eick or studio execs who pushed that, but Moore definitely didn't want it.

Doesn't really speak to the larger problem you mentioned, but still ;)
 
2013-12-11 12:38:27 PM  

Mugato: Stile4aly: Ron Moore made a massive mistake by trying to tell an arc driven story without knowing what the end would be in advance, and I think part of that comes from the fact that he cut his teeth in the Star Trek universe where no problem goes unsolved for more than an episode or two

Well DS9 had an overall arc and I never thought that they didn't know where they were going.


DS9 had more of a setting rather than an arc.  By seasons 6 and 7, the show became much more directional, but other than that it was,more of an anthology of stories told in wartime.
 
2013-12-11 12:42:25 PM  

mcmnky: The US The Office was about Michael Scott.  Series should have ended when he left.


I disagree, because UK Office was about Tim and Dawn. US Office jumped the shark even before Jim and Pam got married.
 
2013-12-11 12:42:51 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I would say that shows like Farscape, Breaking Bad, and The Wire are the only ones that seemed to have a definite and decent end.


I would add Babylon 5 as an "almost" in that category,  though the last minute "will we be renewed" shenanigans at the end of season 4 really marred the story - made the final season seem like an afterthought.

And I didn't mind the end of the Sopranos, though others will disagree.

 

Mugato: I don't know, I guess it's cliche at this point but I resent the entire series [Lost] for not having any idea of where they were going and how to end it. It's like starting a film shoot while you're still writing the script.


I agree, and will add that it is infuriating that they spent the first two or three seasons reassuring everyone that they knew exactly where it was going, and exactly how it would end.


You hear me, Cuse and Lindelof? Knowing what the final scene is going to be is not "knowing where you are going" nor is it even remotely akin to writing (or even planning) an actual story arc, you stupid, lazy, self important hacks
 
2013-12-11 12:44:28 PM  
blogs.westword.com
 
2013-12-11 12:49:47 PM  

Orgasmatron138: MASH, Happy Days, and Scrubs are the worst offenders.


The author of the article is obviously much too young to know the first two even existed.

BTW...Hee Haw ran for something like 20yrs...
 
2013-12-11 12:54:43 PM  

Fano: ThreadSinger: Fano: 13. Futurama

Canceled, if I recall.

It came back wrong. Mostly it just fools me into thinking it is as good as the original run, then we get the iPad episode


To clarify: canceled again. I agree, I find that their return to Comedy Central removed much of the censorship which drove them to make great episodes. I always think about that whenever I complain about how TV has the most hypocritical censoring rules; sometimes, it forces producers and writers to reallyget creative (Sneeds Seed and Feed, anyone?). A lot of the episodes after their return had blunt-but-terrible humor, IMHO.

A few gems though. That time travel one was great.
 
2013-12-11 12:54:53 PM  

Fano: ThreadSinger: Fano: 13. Futurama

Canceled, if I recall.

It came back wrong. Mostly it just fools me into thinking it is as good as the original run, then we get the iPad episode


Yep. While there were still a couple gold episodes (The late Philip J. Fry being the best), overall it was pretty meh.

And I firmly believe it was because of the move to Comedy Central. When they were on Fox, they had to toe the line on what what they could get past the radar. Their risque jokes were subtle, but paid off well. When they moved to CC, they had too much freedom. It went from a joke about the molecular structure of farts to just a really loud fart noise.
 
2013-12-11 12:55:50 PM  

ThreadSinger: Fano: ThreadSinger: Fano: 13. Futurama

Canceled, if I recall.

It came back wrong. Mostly it just fools me into thinking it is as good as the original run, then we get the iPad episode

To clarify: canceled again. I agree, I find that their return to Comedy Central removed much of the censorship which drove them to make great episodes. I always think about that whenever I complain about how TV has the most hypocritical censoring rules; sometimes, it forces producers and writers to reallyget creative (Sneeds Seed and Feed, anyone?). A lot of the episodes after their return had blunt-but-terrible humor, IMHO.

A few gems though. That time travel one was great.


Heh, you typed almost exactly what I did (even down to the best episode) and only 10 seconds apart.

Are you from a universe 10 feet lower?
 
2013-12-11 12:59:32 PM  
Night Court should have been on the list. Dan as a phantom type character was stupid.
 
2013-12-11 01:00:04 PM  

Son of Thunder: I say this as a big fan* of the show:
Sons of Anarchy.

Season three was maybe four episodes of story stretched into The Season That Didn't Need To Exist. I love Ron P., but Clay should have died long ago. I'm mostly liking the latest few episodes, but all this should have happened in season three or four. "Oh no! It's yet another complication dropped from the sky that will prolong Jax's attempts to go legit! And here comes another one! And another!"

*Still not over Opie.


Yep.  Big fan of the show too, and that's exactly how I feel as well.  SoA is a show that's great at its core, but keeps writing itself into a corner every few episodes, only to use Jax as this genius strategist who gets the club out of the latest jam, but everyone' still broke and constantly in trouble and doing stupid things.  Soap opera on bikes - Breaking Bad, it is not and never will be.
 
2013-12-11 01:08:02 PM  
www.nndb.com

What's going on in this thread?
 
2013-12-11 01:12:29 PM  
Californication is still decent.  Really can't see how they'll end it without killing Hank off in some drug and sex fueled blaze of glory.

/The final season of That 70s Show had a few good episodes.  The one with the stolen clown head is probably one of the funniest episodes of the show's entire run.
 
2013-12-11 01:34:12 PM  

jmudreamscape: Only really watched The Office and Weeds from that list.  The Office's 8th season was a major letdown, but its final season was tremendous and its finale was the kind of finale other shows dream of pulling off.  Weeds also finished satisfactory, though it was at its best when Nancy was just a fun pot dealer instead of running from the Mexican cartel.

But no True Blood?  How I Met Your Mother?  My Name Is Earl?  Oz?  Dawson's Creek

/perhaps one of those shouldn't have been included.


Add Scrubs and Gilmore Girls too.  Plus all the interchangeable procedural crime dramas - the 9 versions of Law & Order, etc.
 
2013-12-11 01:34:50 PM  

macadamnut: [blogs.westword.com image 550x431]


Only the finale of Seinfeld was bad. The show was brilliant right up to that point.
 
2013-12-11 01:53:21 PM  
"The Beverly Hillbillies" ran about three seasons too long. "Petticoat Junction" should have ended after Bea Benederet's death. "Bewitched" should have ended when Dick York had to leave due to health issues. "Get Smart" should have ended before the move to CBS. "Under the Dome" should have been a 13-episode miniseries. "Hostages" should have been a 2-hour TV movie.
 
2013-12-11 02:00:56 PM  

MayoSlather: macadamnut: [blogs.westword.com image 550x431]

Only the finale of Seinfeld was bad. The show was brilliant right up to that point.


It was bad but at the same time was about the only way they could have ended a "show about nothing".
 
2013-12-11 02:12:07 PM  

MayoSlather: macadamnut: [blogs.westword.com image 550x431]

Only the finale of Seinfeld was bad. The show was brilliant right up to that point.


The only thing that really bugged me about the Seinfeld finale was that every time a guest star would show up (Teri Hatcher for example), they felt the need to show a clip from that star's original episode. On top of that in a lot of the cases, like Teri Hatcher, the star also gave a recap of what happened in their original episode. It bugged me because before the finale there was already an hour long clip show/retrospective, so why are they showing more clips from old episodes? Why not use that time for more new jokes. It was like they were writing it for the millions of people who they expected to watch who had never seen the show before, not the millions of regular fans who didn't need a reminder who the Sidra or Babu or the Bubble boy or the Soup Nazi are.
 
2013-12-11 02:12:26 PM  

Cletus C.: browntimmy: Cletus C.: Entourage? I could have handled at least a couple more seasons of that.

But go ahead and hate on The Simpsons. It proves just how superior you are.

Are you in denial? Even though it's still on it fell off the cultural radar like a decade ago. Hell, I still think of it as a '90s show.

Uhm, you may want to sit down for this. Since you left, Lionel Hutz, Troy McClure and Fat Tony all died in one horrific shooting.


Hartman only voiced Tony once. Wiki says that Joe Mantegna did it all the other times.
 
2013-12-11 02:21:25 PM  

scottydoesntknow: ThreadSinger: Fano: ThreadSinger: Fano: 13. Futurama

Canceled, if I recall.

It came back wrong. Mostly it just fools me into thinking it is as good as the original run, then we get the iPad episode

To clarify: canceled again. I agree, I find that their return to Comedy Central removed much of the censorship which drove them to make great episodes. I always think about that whenever I complain about how TV has the most hypocritical censoring rules; sometimes, it forces producers and writers to reallyget creative (Sneeds Seed and Feed, anyone?). A lot of the episodes after their return had blunt-but-terrible humor, IMHO.

A few gems though. That time travel one was great.

Heh, you typed almost exactly what I did (even down to the best episode) and only 10 seconds apart.

Are you from a universe 10 feet lower?


Hehe!

I don't think so... a universe 10 seconds in advance, perha--OMGLOOKOUTTHEWIND----
+CARRIER LOST+.
 
2013-12-11 02:21:42 PM  
Andy Griffith show.

Seasons 6-8.

I'm not sure if it is because they are in color, or the addition of the hipster Howard, but they are not good.
 
2013-12-11 02:22:02 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: No M*A*S*H?


That sucked the moment they put the laugh track on it.
 
2013-12-11 02:25:01 PM  

mechgreg: The only thing that really bugged me about the Seinfeld finale was that every time a guest star would show up (Teri Hatcher for example), they felt the need to show a clip from that star's original episode.


Well that and that they were on trial for being assholes which would make sense except they never really got away with being assholes in the series. They always got screwed over for being dicks. Then there's the goofy shiat that the prosecution somehow found the Soup Nazi and the guy who sold Elaine too many sponges and just the whole thing seemed like a fark you to the audience.
 
2013-12-11 02:33:44 PM  

Whatthefark: Scrubs should be on the list. The final season was dreck.


Med school doesn't count. If that's not what you meant...put em up
 
2013-12-11 02:35:17 PM  
The Walking Dead should be on that list.
 
2013-12-11 02:39:04 PM  

spottymax: [www.nndb.com image 251x230]

What's going on in this thread?


Man, what a crap list. I don't think Ted McGinley was on any of those shows.

/deserves to make a guest appearance during the final season of any TV show, just on principle.
 
2013-12-11 02:42:09 PM  

FrancoFile: jmudreamscape: Only really watched The Office and Weeds from that list.  The Office's 8th season was a major letdown, but its final season was tremendous and its finale was the kind of finale other shows dream of pulling off.  Weeds also finished satisfactory, though it was at its best when Nancy was just a fun pot dealer instead of running from the Mexican cartel.

But no True Blood?  How I Met Your Mother?  My Name Is Earl?  Oz?  Dawson's Creek

/perhaps one of those shouldn't have been included.

Add Scrubs and Gilmore Girls too.  Plus all the interchangeable procedural crime dramas - the 9 versions of Law & Order, etc.


I try very hard to forget about the last couple of seasons of Scrubs.  They actually gave the show a great finale...and screwed that up by continuing the show.
 
2013-12-11 02:46:40 PM  

Mugato: mechgreg: The only thing that really bugged me about the Seinfeld finale was that every time a guest star would show up (Teri Hatcher for example), they felt the need to show a clip from that star's original episode.

Well that and that they were on trial for being assholes which would make sense except they never really got away with being assholes in the series. They always got screwed over for being dicks. Then there's the goofy shiat that the prosecution somehow found the Soup Nazi and the guy who sold Elaine too many sponges and just the whole thing seemed like a fark you to the audience.


Thank you for putting your finger on what didn't quite ring true about the finale- though they ruined people's lives they usually didn't get away scot free, so it really wasn't a good humiliation conga. It was just a curtain call for all the beloved secondary and tertiary characters.
 
2013-12-11 02:48:59 PM  

jmudreamscape: I try very hard to forget about the last couple of seasons of Scrubs.  They actually gave the show a great finale...and screwed that up by continuing the show.


More than any show I can remember it really was a money thing. I remember reading at the time that the syndication deal that the show had meant that any new episode they produced would pretty much instantly make an extra million dollars from the syndication rights. Although it is kind of funny because since the show ended I don't recall seeing it in syndication anywhere. Especially not those final season med school episodes.
 
2013-12-11 03:02:42 PM  
Stargate SG1 is one that went on too long. They should have ended with the Gao'uld. Even with them bringing in actors in liked, the whole Oni plot line was just bad.
 
2013-12-11 03:06:20 PM  

Mugato: A slideshow and frames. Nice.

Supernatural should have packed it in after the Apocalypse.


This. Season 9 is just unbearable. I don't know why I keep watching it.
 
Ant
2013-12-11 03:14:37 PM  

Confabulat: Dexter and True Blood come to mind.


Dexter was so bad at the end that now I don't even want to read the books or rewatch any earlier episodes.
 
2013-12-11 03:18:30 PM  

Ant: Dexter was so bad at the end that now I don't even want to read the books or rewatch any earlier episodes.


Don't worry, the books suck.  And Dexter doesn't hold up well to rewatches, especially the 1st and 3rd seasons (I stopped about halfway through season 5).  I think the sheen of originality wears off somehow.
 
2013-12-11 03:27:47 PM  

MayoSlather: DammitIForgotMyLogin: No BSG?

BLASPHEMER!!!


I loved BSG, but season 3 did NOT need to exist.
 
2013-12-11 03:34:45 PM  

Stile4aly: I think the flaw of the show was the promise from episode 1 that the Cylons had a plan.


Seasons 1 and 2 were so tight, I assumed the entire story arc was mapped out in advance.  Then Season 3 was almost entirely filler and Season 4 was a wreck.  Start listening to Moore's commentaries and find out the show was just being hotbooked a few months in advance of filming, and they were picking up plot points and then dropping them a few episodes later because they had nowhere to go with them.  Caprica 6's pregnancy being one of the most odious examples.  What a disappointment, can you imagine if the entire series had the same high quality as the first season?
 
2013-12-11 03:34:59 PM  

The Banana Thug: Son of Thunder: I say this as a big fan* of the show:
Sons of Anarchy.

Season three was maybe four episodes of story stretched into The Season That Didn't Need To Exist. I love Ron P., but Clay should have died long ago. I'm mostly liking the latest few episodes, but all this should have happened in season three or four. "Oh no! It's yet another complication dropped from the sky that will prolong Jax's attempts to go legit! And here comes another one! And another!"

*Still not over Opie.

Yep.  Big fan of the show too, and that's exactly how I feel as well.  SoA is a show that's great at its core, but keeps writing itself into a corner every few episodes, only to use Jax as this genius strategist who gets the club out of the latest jam, but everyone' still broke and constantly in trouble and doing stupid things.  Soap opera on bikes - Breaking Bad, it is not and never will be.


I stopped watching after they killed Opie. Same farking plot every season just got to be to repetitive.
 
2013-12-11 03:37:24 PM  
Just about every fictional program I've seen on TV really needs to wrap up the story arc and severance the team after three years.  Season Four is generally Not Good and it just does not get better.  I say that as someone still watching Big Bang Theory.   Get Raj laid and wrap it up, people.
 
2013-12-11 03:38:58 PM  
Throw in this one: Sons of Anarchy should've ended back at season 4.

/SOA season 5 finale was bad enough, but season 6's was just pissing on its viewers.
 
2013-12-11 03:41:47 PM  
Babylon 5, Season 5 was an affront to everything decent in the world.

If  I have the story right, JMS originally planned for 5 seasons, then before filming S4 was told they were done so they shot their entire load to finish the story, and then TBS was all like, "Surprise, season 5 after all!"
 
2013-12-11 03:43:37 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: Just about every fictional program I've seen on TV really needs to wrap up the story arc and severance the team after three years.  Season Four is generally Not Good and it just does not get better.  I say that as someone still watching Big Bang Theory.   Get Raj laid and wrap it up, people.


My biggest complaint is that it gets really obvious when the point of the show becomes keeping the show going instead of telling a story.  The US version of The Office is a great example; they tied up the Jim and Pam story, but because they couldn't end the series, they recycled the story arc with Andy and the new receptionist.

Show should have ended with the wedding episode, IMO.
 
2013-12-11 03:52:08 PM  

r1niceboy: Red Shirt Blues: No M*A*S*H?

That sucked the moment they put the laugh track on it.


I think the series started with a laugh track and had one right up until it became a full-on dramedy (somewhere around Winchester's arrival.) So maybe you're just sayin' that the whole series sucked?

That's crazy talk.
 
2013-12-11 04:01:43 PM  
Spongebob
 
2013-12-11 04:05:06 PM  

extroverted_suicide: Babylon 5, Season 5 was an affront to everything decent in the world.

If  I have the story right, JMS originally planned for 5 seasons, then before filming S4 was told they were done so they shot their entire load to finish the story, and then TBS was all like, "Surprise, season 5 after all!"


I'd say that, but we did get "Day of the Dead" and "the Long Night of Londo Mollari".

/Buffy should have ended after Graduation.
//or "She Saved the World. A Lot."
 
2013-12-11 04:17:19 PM  
No Hogan's Heroes?
No I Love Lucy?
Matlock.
 
2013-12-11 04:19:03 PM  

extroverted_suicide: Babylon 5, Season 5 was an affront to everything decent in the world.

If  I have the story right, JMS originally planned for 5 seasons, then before filming S4 was told they were done so they shot their entire load to finish the story, and then TBS was all like, "Surprise, season 5 after all!"


It was TNT, but you have the basic story correct. That's what I will always respect JMS for, deciding to finish the story rather than let it end on a cliff-hanger. He even shot what still is one of the best series finales ever, just in case that was it for B5. So yes, the fifth season was disappointing, but I still liked it, and there were some very good moments in that season.

I absolutely loved the prequel movie In the Beginning, which was the best of the four TNT movies. Sadly, they wasted an opportunity to make a movie about the Telepath War, which would have been an utterly fantastic movie, or at least better than Thirdspace or River of Souls.
 
2013-12-11 04:23:08 PM  
Ctrl-F Friends

Phrase not found

/Really?
 
2013-12-11 04:23:26 PM  
According to Jim
 
2013-12-11 04:23:33 PM  

wildcardjack: No Hogan's Heroes?
No I Love Lucy?
Matlock.


Forgot about I Love Lucy. They should have ended the series instead of moving.
 
2013-12-11 04:26:41 PM  

VogonPoet: Ctrl-F Friends

Phrase not found

/Really?


I hated that show since it started.
 
2013-12-11 04:29:05 PM  

VogonPoet: Ctrl-F Friends

Phrase not found

/Really?


Really. Believe it or not, Friends never turned terrible. The ironic thing is that they tried to end it two seasons earlier, but their efforts to bring everything to a close made the show better, and more and more people tuned in. Each of the last three seasons was originally branded as "the last season." And unlike many other sitcoms that lasted as long, Friends did maintain its high quality until the end.
 
2013-12-11 04:30:51 PM  
List fails without

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2013-12-11 05:18:09 PM  

jgilb: According to Jim


It's prime was the opening credits of the pilot.  Everything beyond that was too long.
 
2013-12-11 05:27:28 PM  

Saiga410: Breakiing Bad strangely absent.


I agree. I'd explain more fully by I'm barbecuing a steak to well done later tonight and need to finish the glaze of single malt scotch and mountain dew.
 
2013-12-11 05:28:30 PM  

extroverted_suicide: Babylon 5, Season 5 was an affront to everything decent in the world.

If  I have the story right, JMS originally planned for 5 seasons, then before filming S4 was told they were done so they shot their entire load to finish the story, and then TBS was all like, "Surprise, season 5 after all!"


It was frustrating. The story in Season 4 should have continued to about halfway through Season 5, according to JMS. But they had to rush things because of the cancellation concerns.

The telepath story and Molari stuff were meant to take up the last half of Season 5. That would have been much better from a pacing standpoint.
 
2013-12-11 05:31:36 PM  
I can't believe no one mentioned Rosanne.  The last season, and part of the second to last season were absolutely dreadful.  In the least they should have just left it at Dan dying/David and Darlene getting married.

Family Matters also comes to mind, although I didn't watch it at the point when they switched moms and then every episode became about Urkle switching to Stephan who was a superstar.  In all fairness that show was probably terrible the whole time (I was a kid when I watched it though and it became even bad for child me).

I would also add 24 to the list.   The show really went downhill after Logan.  I mean I know why they kept it going, but by the end it was just a skeleton of the former show.  I can't believe they are bringing it back.

I would also add Fringe.  Once they went to the other side they should have just dealt with that and been done with it.  Making friends with the other side was just dumb.

Lost was pretty good until the last couple seasons and then it became fairly incoherent.  The last season was just terrible.  That one needed to tie up a lot of stuff, so perhaps it just needed to be re-written in the end.

All the others I had have been covered.

I won't agree with people saying Buffy though.  Even though I despise Season 7, I still feel like it was an appropriate ending for the show considering it went on after Season 5.  Of course I'm a rare one who actually likes Season 6.  Season 7 had almost nothing to offer except the finale.
 
2013-12-11 05:34:58 PM  
I would like to contribute Smallville and Burn Notice to the list.
 
2013-12-11 05:43:25 PM  

odinsposse: Saiga410: Breakiing Bad strangely absent.

I agree. I'd explain more fully by I'm barbecuing a steak to well done later tonight and need to finish the glaze of single malt scotch and mountain dew.


That response went on about 22 words longer than needed.
 
2013-12-11 05:45:13 PM  
Mugato: I don't know, I guess it's cliche at this point but I resent the entire series [Lost] for not having any idea of where they were going and how to end it. It's like starting a film shoot while you're still writing the script. I agree, and will add that it is infuriating that they spent the first two or three seasons reassuring everyone that they knew exactly where it was going, and exactly how it would end.

You hear me, Cuse and Lindelof? Knowing what the final scene is going to be is not "knowing where you are going" nor is it even remotely akin to writing (or even planning) an actual story arc, you stupid, lazy, self important hacks


So much THIS. Though I do like Cuse's Bates Motel, I can already see signs that the story will be stretched out beyond the breaking point if the show stays successful for A&E. The thing that bugged me most about LOST is that they set up all the mysteries in the first two seasons but then either dropped them (Claire's son Aaron, Waaaaaaaaaallllllllttttttttt for the most part etc.) or completely contradicted what we were already told (the DeGroots being wiped from the DHARMA history being the prime example). Plus, the way they literally tossed John aside, made Ben way more crazy than cunning and the whole stupid Jacob v. The Man Who Cannot Be Named thing, GAH.

Re: Seinfeld. The show died a horrible death the second Larry David left. I absolutely hated with all the fire of all the suns in the Andromeda Galaxy the last show in his run, where George smirks at Susan dying. I was glad to see it get shredded for that awful finale.

Sad to say, but as much as I love The Big Bang Theory, it's time for it to end. It won't, of course, due to the money still to be made but that's too bad.

Homeland needs to have a bullet put through it's collective head, stat.

I loved the first three seasons of the UK version of Being Human, but it should have ended after Mitchell left. I like the US version even more, but I hope this is the last season or else it's going to be "Yawn, the vampires can't find blood, Josh is still a werewolf and Sally is stuck in the house".
 
2013-12-11 06:16:02 PM  

PillsHere: I would also add 24 to the list.   The show really went downhill after Logan.  I mean I know why they kept it going, but by the end it was just a skeleton of the former show.  I can't believe they are bringing it back.


I still love 24. It wasn't perfect all the way through but I'm glad it's coming back. Love me some Chloe, that sarcastic biatch.

Never watched a frame of Rosanne.
 
2013-12-11 06:25:34 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Venture Bros? Adventure Time?


Venture Bros still has moments of inspired awesomeness but you're right that it has peaked.

Family Guy should have never come back from its initial cancellation.

Nova81426: I would like to contribute Smallville...


Oh, god, so much this. After, I think, season 5, it became hatewatch for me.
 
2013-12-11 07:04:33 PM  

verbaltoxin: Throw in this one: Sons of Anarchy should've ended back at season 4.

/SOA season 5 finale was bad enough, but season 6's was just pissing on its viewers.


SOA is one of the few "critically acclaimed" shows I ditched after four or five episodes, mostly based on one moment: when Jax shoots his girlfriend's stalker in the head, and then they start to fark beside his corpse.

That had to be some of the shiattiest writing I had seen.  I tuned in now and again in season 2, but never quite gave a shiat after that.
 
2013-12-11 07:07:00 PM  

MayoSlather: Orgasmatron138: MASH, Happy Days, and Scrubs are the worst offenders.

I always thought MASH was watchable all the way through, diminished perhaps, but still enjoyable.

That 70's Show's final season was some of the worst TV I've ever seen, which was sad considering how great it was for several years.


I gotta disagree with you on that one. The last couple seasons of the 70's show was some of it's funniest moments.
I know erics replacment sucked. But it turned into such a dark show, subtle in some ways but still dark.

what with Kitty and her alcoholism and pill popping, then take a look at Red, I mean they never show it, but we are lead to belive he has beaten the entire cast at some point or another.


try rewatching the last couple seasons, just assuming the worst of each scenario. It's actually pretty funny.
 
2013-12-11 07:12:20 PM  

Fireproof: Cletus C.: browntimmy: Cletus C.: Entourage? I could have handled at least a couple more seasons of that.

But go ahead and hate on The Simpsons. It proves just how superior you are.

Are you in denial? Even though it's still on it fell off the cultural radar like a decade ago. Hell, I still think of it as a '90s show.

Uhm, you may want to sit down for this. Since you left, Lionel Hutz, Troy McClure and Fat Tony all died in one horrific shooting.

Hartman only voiced Tony once. Wiki says that Joe Mantegna did it all the other times.


Nevermind the fact that Fat Tony was a frequent character long after Hartmans murder.
 
2013-12-11 07:46:04 PM  

Saiga410: Where SG1 where?


Yeah, the Ori arc kinda sucked ass. And Browder was no Richard Dean Anderson.

Nova81426: I would like to contribute Smallville and Burn Notice to the list.


Smallville definitely went on too long. Granted I liked the stuff with the JSA and Hawkman and Doctor Fate. The biggest problem they had in Smallville was keeping Lana around for as long as they did.

Thurston Howell: List fails without

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Hey now, that's not nice, that show is finally getting good. They aren't focusing on Skye as much and we're finally getting into the characters pasts, and it's getting interesting. Even Captain cardboard has gotten a bit better.

I will agree with others that Supernatural should have had a nice perfect ending at season 5 after Dean and Sam are taken by Lucifer and Michael, but there's definitely some gems in the seasons afterwards. The entire season with the Leviathans sucked ass, but if the showrunners hadn't kept it going we would have never gotten my favorite scene in the entire run of the show.
Cas is just comedy gold.

I'm one of the few who liked bits and pieces of Buffy after graduation, but they could have definitely been better.
 
2013-12-11 07:49:13 PM  
Saiga410: Where SG1 where?

Yeah, the Ori arc kinda sucked ass. And Browder was no Richard Dean Anderson.


Counterpoint: Claudia Black.
 
2013-12-11 07:51:13 PM  

Snapper Carr: Saiga410: Where SG1 where?

Yeah, the Ori arc kinda sucked ass. And Browder was no Richard Dean Anderson.

Counterpoint: Claudia Black.


I'll give you Valla, but she just wasn't good enough to keep the last couple seasons up to snuff with the rest of the show.
 
2013-12-11 07:52:44 PM  

Whatthefark: Scrubs should be on the list. The final season was dreck.



I don't know what you're talking about. There was a sweet finale with a picture into JD and Turk's future with their kids getting married and THERE WERE NO MORE EPISODES AFTER THAT!
 
2013-12-11 07:59:42 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Night Court should have been on the list. Dan as a phantom type character was stupid.


I just saw that one two days ago (after many years) and I agree, it was really stupid.
 
2013-12-11 08:05:13 PM  
shocked no one has mentioned Arrested Development yet
 
2013-12-11 09:10:38 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Fano: ThreadSinger: Fano: 13. Futurama

Canceled, if I recall.

It came back wrong. Mostly it just fools me into thinking it is as good as the original run, then we get the iPad episode

Yep. While there were still a couple gold episodes (The late Philip J. Fry being the best), overall it was pretty meh.

And I firmly believe it was because of the move to Comedy Central. When they were on Fox, they had to toe the line on what what they could get past the radar. Their risque jokes were subtle, but paid off well. When they moved to CC, they had too much freedom. It went from a joke about the molecular structure of farts to just a really loud fart noise.


Very  much agreed.  I just started watching the ... 9th? season on Netflix - by which I mean, I randomly picked an episode with the least-bad-sounding description (saturday morning cartoon parody episode).  Very, very weak.

All of this is a shame because I felt, on average, the "bridge" movies (Bender's Game, Beast With a Billion Backs, etc.) were pretty good.  And I loved the recurring gags about "Executive Powder."
 
2013-12-11 09:20:18 PM  

Mateorocks: r1niceboy: Red Shirt Blues: No M*A*S*H?

That sucked the moment they put the laugh track on it.

I think the series started with a laugh track and had one right up until it became a full-on dramedy (somewhere around Winchester's arrival.) So maybe you're just sayin' that the whole series sucked?

That's crazy talk.


The first season didn't. They got rid of Spearchucker and replaced him with a laugh track starting with the second. Apart from a few odd instances, it sucked balls for a decade afterwards.
 
2013-12-11 10:04:46 PM  
The Office started sucking when they started with that Sabre crap, and Michael leaving was the final nail. It should have ended years before it did.
 
2013-12-11 11:03:36 PM  
Why the fark on Satan's smoldering earth is 'The Amazing Race' still around?!?!?!
 
2013-12-11 11:16:48 PM  
I love "The Office, but seasons 6-8 were not very good. As has been mentioned, season 9 was a solid ending. It  never captured the magic of seasons 2-4, but there were glimmers. Somehow Parks & Rec helped to make the later seasons of The Office easier to handle.

/Sure that several farkers will think my taste in TV is bad and I should feel bad.
 
2013-12-11 11:43:24 PM  
Am I the only one that thought The Office sucked?  I sat through an episode of the UK version, didn't even crack a smile.  The ads for the US version didn't make it seem even half as good.

Also, no mention of Honey Boo Boo, Ice Truckers, Crab Fisting, Storage Wars, or any of those shows yet?
 
2013-12-12 12:03:41 AM  

Mugato: PillsHere: I would also add 24 to the list.   The show really went downhill after Logan.  I mean I know why they kept it going, but by the end it was just a skeleton of the former show.  I can't believe they are bringing it back.

I still love 24. It wasn't perfect all the way through but I'm glad it's coming back. Love me some Chloe, that sarcastic biatch.

Never watched a frame of Rosanne.


I found it strange that 24 went straight from season 5 to season 7 without having a season 6 in between.  It was a bold move.

Other show:  Prison Break - Originally greenlit for just the first 13 episodes, then segued that pretty well into a full season, and then from there I think season 2 worked out pretty well (not counting the last 10 minutes or so.)  After that we're just in ridiculous nosedive terrible territory for the rest of the run.
 
2013-12-12 01:09:09 AM  

CZMisfitsFan: Californication is still decent.  Really can't see how they'll end it without killing Hank off in some drug and sex fueled blaze of glory.


I stopped watching after the first season because I thought first season finale was a great ending to the show.
 
2013-12-12 01:59:36 AM  
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Heroes but then I remembered that we all agreed to pretend that show never existed so, um, sorry about bringing it up.

/ Anybody that thinks Venture Bros belongs on that list can go to Hell
 
2013-12-12 02:01:54 AM  

Smashed Hat: I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Heroes but then I remembered that we all agreed to pretend that show never existed so, um, sorry about bringing it up.


Heroes exists and it's a damn shame it was cancelled after only 1 season.
 
2013-12-12 06:33:17 AM  

VogonPoet: Ctrl-F Friends

Phrase not found

/Really?


Friends was good from start to finish, if you liked the show in the first place (yes yes I know many Farkers hate this show; StopLikingWhatIDon'tLike.jpg and all that).  A rare case of a show that bowed out on top, even after a long run.
 
2013-12-12 08:36:00 AM  

Thurston Howell: List fails without

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Don't worry.  I don't think you need to worry about SHIELD outliving shelf life.  If rumors are true, it might be the next 'Firefly' for Joss.


Of course ABC's decision to put it up against NCIS was stupid to begin with.  There was a natural spot on Wednesday night at 8pm EST where there was not any real competition but the ABC execs stupidly decided to try their hand with their most important new show of the season, and biggest, against the number 1 show on TV.  A show whose rating have not declined in the last couple years.


Anyway, enjoy SHIELD while you can....
 
2013-12-12 08:54:07 AM  

bluenote13: Of course ABC's decision to put it up against NCIS was stupid to begin with.  There was a natural spot on Wednesday night at 8pm EST where there was not any real competition but the ABC execs stupidly decided to try their hand with their most important new show of the season, and biggest, against the number 1 show on TV.  A show whose rating have not declined in the last couple years.


Of course the biggest fault with the SHIELD show is the fact that the writing is pretty much on par with a syndicated action adventure show filmed in New Zealand.

As far as putting it on Wednesdays goes, that would mean putting it up against Arrow. Two super hero shows on the same timeslot is a good way to lose a good chunk of your audience. Plus American Idol comes back in January and while it is not the ratings monster it once was, it would be pretty serious competition as well. Plus Wednesday seems to be ABC's comedy night, which is pretty successful in its own right. Not sure they would want to mess with that.
 
2013-12-12 08:56:44 AM  

bluenote13: Don't worry.  I don't think you need to worry about SHIELD outliving shelf life.  If rumors are true, it might be the next 'Firefly' for Joss.


I dunno, doesn't Disney own ABC? I thought the whole point of the show was to keep the Avengers in the public consciousness or whatever. Then again if people hate the show that much it might have the opposite effect. It's not a good sign when the ex-husband from The New Adventures of Old Christine is the most interesting character.
 
2013-12-12 09:01:18 AM  
Let's face it. 99% of US shows fall into the trap of staying on well past their prime. You can start randomly listing series from the advent of TV on and be right about most all of them. All in the Family, The Cosby Show, Full House, ALF, The Jeffersons, Kung Fu, Mr. Ed, ST:TNG, it goes on and on. It's much more difficult to name shows that haven't run long past their expiration date. I would venture that most of that short list would be shows that are considered "classics" but were cancelled due to low viewership or changes in the network strategy, often before the original premise was fully explored - ST:TOS comes to mind.

Many of the series in TFA and in discussion here had some great initial stories and made for some compelling entertainment. However, once the original inspiration for the series had been brought to a conclusion, they then tried to prop up the franchise with hastily improvised plots. As many have noted here, the resolution of the original story (Twin Peaks), the departure of a founding character (X-Files), a meaningless change in location (Nip/Tuck), having kids (Mad About You), and following an original group past the initial setup (Glee) all are jump-the-shark moments and most TV executives can't see that continuing the franchise will do nothing but tarnish the overall product. Hell, most TV execs don't give a rat's arse about the quality of a show, as long as they can milk whatever ad revenue they can from a dwindling viewer base until the stream dries up.

I much prefer the BBC tactic of creating a short-run series, perhaps 4-8 episodes, that explores a complete story arc. Not only is it a great way to tell a coherent tale, it allows the network to more accurately gauge the longer term viability of a show. Something like "Prime Suspect" comes to mind.

I'm also kind of amused that TFA left out the ultimate example of jumping the shark and staying on the air waaaaay too long - Happy Days.
 
2013-12-12 09:01:34 AM  

mechgreg: bluenote13: Of course ABC's decision to put it up against NCIS was stupid to begin with.  There was a natural spot on Wednesday night at 8pm EST where there was not any real competition but the ABC execs stupidly decided to try their hand with their most important new show of the season, and biggest, against the number 1 show on TV.  A show whose rating have not declined in the last couple years.

Of course the biggest fault with the SHIELD show is the fact that the writing is pretty much on par with a syndicated action adventure show filmed in New Zealand.

As far as putting it on Wednesdays goes, that would mean putting it up against Arrow. Two super hero shows on the same timeslot is a good way to lose a good chunk of your audience. Plus American Idol comes back in January and while it is not the ratings monster it once was, it would be pretty serious competition as well. Plus Wednesday seems to be ABC's comedy night, which is pretty successful in its own right. Not sure they would want to mess with that.


Forgot about Arrow since it airs an hour later here in St Louis (local news is on at 7 then Arrow at 8).

On the other hand, I would think ABC wouldn't mind that because 1) Arrow is a DC character and SHIELD is Marvel. Why not go directly after the competition?  and 2)  Arrow draws a 1.0 rating each week, NCIS is abot triple that in the 18-49 numbers.  And overall about 17-19 million people watch NCIS and Arrow is about 2-3 million.

As far as American Idol goes.  I would rather challenge a show whose ratings have dropped significantly the last couple years than a show who has held steady.
 
2013-12-12 09:19:10 AM  

bluenote13: Don't worry.  I don't think you need to worry about SHIELD outliving shelf life.  If rumors are true, it might be the next 'Firefly' for Joss.


Of course ABC's decision to put it up against NCIS was stupid to begin with.


And, on cue, the Whedon apologists have their song and dance memorized by now. Everybody now, "It's the network's fault the show failed."

Whedon fans, you know that joke about Taylor Swift breaking up so many times, and at some point it might be time for her to realize it might be her fault?

Isn't this Whedon's third cancellation in 10 years?

At what point do we move past blaming the networks for a Joss Whedon show tanking?
 
2013-12-12 09:28:44 AM  

bluenote13: Forgot about Arrow since it airs an hour later here in St Louis (local news is on at 7 then Arrow at 8).

On the other hand, I would think ABC wouldn't mind that because 1) Arrow is a DC character and SHIELD is Marvel. Why not go directly after the competition?  and 2)  Arrow draws a 1.0 rating each week, NCIS is abot triple that in the 18-49 numbers.  And overall about 17-19 million people watch NCIS and Arrow is about 2-3 million.

As far as American Idol goes.  I would rather challenge a show whose ratings have dropped significantly the last couple years than a show who has held steady.


I am not sure if network suits would really make a distinction between a show with DC characters and a show with Marvel characters. They would just see both shows as shows with comic book geeks as their core audiences. I see your point about NCIS versus American Idol and Arrow but I will throw something else into the mix. NCIS gets huge ratings, but my understanding is it skews pretty old. AI (and I assume Arrow) would probably skew towards a younger audience, the same audience that I imagine SHIELD is going after (since advertisers pay a premium to attract younger viewers).
 
2013-12-12 09:36:50 AM  

EyeballKid: At what point do we move past blaming the networks for a Joss Whedon show tanking?


I only blame them for Firefly. SHIELD just isn't that great. I do watch it because it's not terrible but it's not great.
 
2013-12-12 09:41:11 AM  

Mugato: EyeballKid: At what point do we move past blaming the networks for a Joss Whedon show tanking?

I only blame them for Firefly. SHIELD just isn't that great. I do watch it because it's not terrible but it's not great.


Agreed, SHIELD is tanking because it is an average show in a time when there are so many good shows available from multiple different mediums.
 
2013-12-12 09:43:07 AM  

mechgreg: Mugato: EyeballKid: At what point do we move past blaming the networks for a Joss Whedon show tanking?

I only blame them for Firefly. SHIELD just isn't that great. I do watch it because it's not terrible but it's not great.

Agreed, SHIELD is tanking because it is an average show in a time when there are so many good shows available from multiple different mediums.


Yeah, I'd say it's basically NCIS except with no likable characters, a few VFX, sprinkled with some Avengers name dropping.
 
2013-12-12 10:10:30 AM  
IMHO, Some of the funniest episodes of The King of Queens are in the eighth (second to last) season. The last season is definitely where it starts falling apart, so I wouldn't say it went "way" too long.
 
2013-12-12 10:32:00 AM  

Saiga410: Where SG1 where?


Yes... and no. Some of the latter episodes (especially the one off episode in the last season where they gate to what ends up being a developed world with the gate inside a museum during a dinner party and end up pretending to be terrorists) are some of the best episodes. Unfortunately, after they ended up defeating the Gould, we got the Ori which was essentially Gould 2.0. I think they could have easily gone a couple more seasons if they were able to get an antagonist that was more than just a change of clothes.
 
2013-12-12 11:17:45 AM  

DMZ DEATH: Mugato: A slideshow and frames. Nice.

Supernatural should have packed it in after the Apocalypse.

As Dean would say, " You shut your mouth." I disagree, the show is still good with glimpses of great. I wouldn't mind seeing it bow out after an even 10.
Idget.


Counter-point: The recent DOG episode.

/Which was a dog's breakfast!  So at least it had that going for it.
//too many posts here to see if that point was made
 
2013-12-12 11:59:02 AM  

bluenote13: Thurston Howell: List fails without

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Don't worry.  I don't think you need to worry about SHIELD outliving shelf life.  If rumors are true, it might be the next 'Firefly' for Joss.


Of course ABC's decision to put it up against NCIS was stupid to begin with.  There was a natural spot on Wednesday night at 8pm EST where there was not any real competition but the ABC execs stupidly decided to try their hand with their most important new show of the season, and biggest, against the number 1 show on TV.  A show whose rating have not declined in the last couple years.


Anyway, enjoy SHIELD while you can....


I'm mixed about Shield. They're finally making the characters interesting and the story seems to finally be getting somewhere. I think the big problem is that networks seem to need immediate awesome ratings or they axe shows in the first season nowadays. Look how many good or decent shows had some meh first seasons, ST:TNG, SG-1, Buffy, B5, and Married with Children are just a few off the top of my head. If those shows were to begin today they wouldn't make it past their first seasons before getting cancelled because they wouldn't have had time to find their rhythm and build the characters to the point where they're interesting.
 
2013-12-12 12:13:23 PM  

mekkab: DMZ DEATH: Mugato: A slideshow and frames. Nice.

Supernatural should have packed it in after the Apocalypse.

As Dean would say, " You shut your mouth." I disagree, the show is still good with glimpses of great. I wouldn't mind seeing it bow out after an even 10.
Idget.

Counter-point: The recent DOG episode.

/Which was a dog's breakfast!  So at least it had that going for it.
//too many posts here to see if that point was made


I agree that there are still good episodes of Supernatural but they're mostly the "goofy" ones, you know, the ones where they go back in time or meet the real life actors playing their characters. But it was pretty clear that the Apocalypse was the climax.
 
2013-12-12 03:48:14 PM  

mechgreg: Mugato: EyeballKid: At what point do we move past blaming the networks for a Joss Whedon show tanking?

I only blame them for Firefly. SHIELD just isn't that great. I do watch it because it's not terrible but it's not great.

Agreed, SHIELD is tanking because it is an average show in a time when there are so many good shows available from multiple different mediums.


Is this actually an issue anymore? Between DVR and on-demand replays (either from your provider or online), I can't imagine anybody is restricting their viewing choices because of conflicting timeslots.
 
2013-12-12 04:02:28 PM  

hstein3: mechgreg: Mugato: EyeballKid: At what point do we move past blaming the networks for a Joss Whedon show tanking?

I only blame them for Firefly. SHIELD just isn't that great. I do watch it because it's not terrible but it's not great.

Agreed, SHIELD is tanking because it is an average show in a time when there are so many good shows available from multiple different mediums.

Is this actually an issue anymore? Between DVR and on-demand replays (either from your provider or online), I can't imagine anybody is restricting their viewing choices because of conflicting timeslots.


Try telling network execs that. Not because they don't understand DVR, on-demand and online views, although some don't. Not because some of those forms don't count towards the outdated Neillson system, although some don't. But because many of those forms don't have advertisements, or they have ads you can skip, execs don't care if something is the most pirated or most viewed on demand or most DVR'd, or most viewed online. They don't generate ad revenue so fark off, they don't matter.
 
2013-12-12 05:27:34 PM  
Hey, remember "The Drew Carey Show"?  That went on for 9 seasons and 230 episodes, and tried about every stunt episode conceivable to remain relevant.
 
2013-12-12 05:48:49 PM  
kling_klang_bed: Why the fark on Satan's smoldering earth is 'The Amazing Race' still around?!?!?!

You shut your got-damned whore mouth! I love TAR, I've seen every second of every episode and I'm looking forward to TAR 24 in February. Yes, it's formulaic, yes, it's clear that they edit what happens to fit the storylines they craft for each team, but at the end of the day, a team either survives the experience and wins like TAR 23's Jason & Amy or they make a crucial mistake or two in the final leg and don't like Tim & Marie or Nicole & Travis. It's also incredibly well produced, filmed and edited, plus the theme music is one of the best around.

dc0012c: It's much more difficult to name shows that haven't run long past their expiration date. I would venture that most of that short list would be shows that are considered "classics" but were cancelled due to low viewership or changes in the network strategy, often before the original premise was fully explored

Leave It To Beaver
. I loved the show as a kid because I so desperately wanted parents like Ward & June instead of the insane mom & dad I was stuck with and a big brother like Wally, not the bullying aresehole I was stuck with. I've been following it on MeTV, starting with the end of Season 5 > Season 6 and the first two seasons. Again, yes, it's formulaic (Beaver is goaded in to doing something he knows he shouldn't by his dickhead friends Larry or Whitey or Gilbert > he lies about it > he gets caught > Ward & June lecture him and give him a big hug at the end of the episode), but they did a great job of writing the kids parts --the stories Beaver makes up to cover up his lies are really funny-- and they actually let Wally and The Beav grow up in real time. The show ended because Jerry Mathers was tired of acting (he'd been doing it since he was 4), he wanted a "normal" life and since he and his parents had been good with his money, he walked away just as Beaver was going to high school and Wally was going away to college.
 
2013-12-12 05:57:34 PM  
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