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(TMZ)   Paul Walker's family believes small road bumps designed for safety killed their son   (tmz.com) divider line 166
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2013-12-11 11:39:37 AM  

Beeblebrox: These people are in mourning.  Ignore them for now and let them grieve.


Just for now?
 
2013-12-11 11:40:22 AM  

Beeblebrox: These people are in mourning.  Ignore them for now and let them grieve.


Okay, but only if they promise to grieve in private and not go to the media in order to blame everybody and everything except the two people directly involved. Oh wait.
 
2013-12-11 11:42:37 AM  

rickythepenguin: carolla also talked about the car, i think how noted professional race car driver Jay Leno spun his Carerra out 3 times at some race.

i thinkt he story Rogan told was this friend of his drove it at a track, but cut the session short and said afterwards that the car was too dangerous.  something like that.  dude was like, "nope, not me, fark that car, yo."


Here's "The Stig" losing control of it and apparently did so several times:

http://youtu.be/vE_WqdKbTvY?t=6m

You don't push that car unless you have plenty of runoff and margin for error and especially so if you don't have tons of seat time in it.
 
2013-12-11 11:43:15 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: You son made bad choices all along.

Just because you watch a movie about driving fast doesn't mean you can do it. And don't do it in a car that won't protect you from a crash. And don't drive that car in an environment that risks that kind of crash.

I was young and stupid. Now I'm just stupid. How I've lived this long, I'll never know.


He wasn't driving, but whatever, right?

Bruce Campbell: namegoeshere: So how much does one pay for a car that sucks this badly?

It's a driver's car.  When there is a fark up, the fault lies entirely with the driver.  The car far from sucks and is intended to engage every aspect of driving skill. The driver thought he didn't suck, and I am not saying he does, at driving 911s, that is.  I just don't think he had enough experience with this car, as shown by putting stickier tires on it and not keeping the MFG suggested tires on the car, and then did things he should not have done in that car, and I think it was overconfidence in skills from driving other cars that resulted in this death.


Apparently, Porsche has had to test and approve at least one other option for rubber, since the OEM tires are so nucking futs.  I don't know if this is the same one that evo tested, but they said the different rubber they put on their Carrera GT took some of the edge off.

Whether the OEM tires would have helped or hurt the situation, well, won't ever be known.
 
2013-12-11 11:47:40 AM  
Driving 3x the posted speed limit killed him, it's as simple as that, stop trying to blame everything else.
 
2013-12-11 11:58:30 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.


And I thought they were only going 45mph according to most sources?
 
2013-12-11 12:00:46 PM  

Clutch2013: Whether the OEM tires would have helped or hurt the situation, well, won't ever be known.


Changing the tires from those suggested and developed by the MFG points to hubris in thinking that "I have raced 911s. I can handle this thing.  Put some racing tires on it."  I am not saying that the suggested tires would have made any difference.  I am saying that ignoring 10 years of tire development with input for drivers far more expert than this driver, says enough about the mentality of the driver.
 
2013-12-11 12:04:31 PM  

nmrsnr: "a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots "

And colliding with a tree is generally fatal in a car going at speeds approaching 90 MPH, but I still don't blame the tree.

Nobody deserves to die in a horrible car wreck, but some people sure don't try to make it so they don't.


Oh so that is where people are assuming they were doing 90, its reading comprehension failure.

The compound of the tire is what makes it lose traction and if these had racing compounds on an abnormally cold day it made it 100 times worse. I had some on my mustang which will react like ice if you try to get into the throttle when the tires are cold but if you warm them up they are sticky as hell. And they were a short distance from the shop which leads you to believe they didnt have the tires up to temp.
 
2013-12-11 12:06:05 PM  
Seems the key paragraph is this:

"We've learned the experts have told the family ... a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots.  It's akin to driving on ice -- and  control is further compromised by the fact that the Porsche was outfitted with special racing tires that have very little tread."
 
2013-12-11 12:06:38 PM  
Until this dude died I had never heard of him.  I don't understand mourning celebrities who cause their own fate, whether by specific choices that result in an early death, or lifestyle choices that made an early death inevitable.

The druggie from Glee
The Joker
Gun-eater Cobain
Tupac
Biggie
Whitney Houston
Michael Jackson
And any one of a hundred others.
 
2013-12-11 12:12:11 PM  

KellyX: Seems the key paragraph is this:

"We've learned the experts have told the family ... a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots.  It's akin to driving on ice -- and  control is further compromised by the fact that the Porsche was outfitted with special racing tires that have very little tread."


Yes but what I have read was they weren't going 90 and that is just talking about normal cars, when you add in soft compound tires it makes it a lot worse.

But people who have never driven on soft compound tires will never understand that fact, mainly because they cost double than what regular tires cost and last less than half as long.
 
2013-12-11 12:12:36 PM  

steamingpile: Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.

And I thought they were only going 45mph according to most sources?


That was the posted speed limit, not their actual speed.
 
2013-12-11 12:15:51 PM  

namegoeshere: So how much does one pay for a car that sucks this badly?


Whatever it was, he got burned.
 
2013-12-11 12:18:38 PM  

steamingpile: Oh so that is where people are assuming they were doing 90, its reading comprehension failure.


That's where the number 90 comes from, yes, but I've seen cars wrapped around trees going 35-45 MPH, and they do not split in half like that. True, I don't know how the Carrera GT's safety rating stacks up against a normal sedan, but to have a tree go through an engine block like that at 45 MPH seems... unlikely.
 
2013-12-11 12:20:58 PM  
the driver driving way beyond the speed limit and disregarding the law is what killed him not the speed bumps


idiots......morans
 
2013-12-11 12:21:54 PM  
The thing I'm most upset about is that the world was robbed of a potential Whoa-fest between Keanu Reeves and Paul Walker.

/except Keanu has gone all "IM ASIAN, LETS MAKE MARTIAL ARTS FILMS" on us
 
2013-12-11 12:27:47 PM  
indarwinsshadow:
Oh. Boo hoo. Boo hoo.

If you want a private race track, build it yourself jackhole.

//f*cking people who drive too fast.

welcometofark.jpg

 Suck me sideways.


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-12-11 12:36:53 PM  
If your friend has a Porche, and I have friends that do, and they want to go somewhere, you drive them.
It's the least you can do.
Take it slow. Enjoy the handling, the responsiveness of the brakes.
But don't go all zoom zoom.
That's for assholes and dead people.
 
2013-12-11 12:37:18 PM  

steamingpile: KellyX: Seems the key paragraph is this:

"We've learned the experts have told the family ... a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots.  It's akin to driving on ice -- and  control is further compromised by the fact that the Porsche was outfitted with special racing tires that have very little tread."

Yes but what I have read was they weren't going 90 and that is just talking about normal cars, when you add in soft compound tires it makes it a lot worse.

But people who have never driven on soft compound tires will never understand that fact, mainly because they cost double than what regular tires cost and last less than half as long.


Call me crazy, but when you hit a lamp pole, take it down, and then hit a tree and the tree cuts your car in half and sticks out of the middle of it... I suspect you're going a tad more than 45 MPH
 
2013-12-11 12:37:30 PM  
So, in other words, they believe what most of us did from the beginning. That the Carerra GT is a twitchy POS that has no business being on a public road and the fact he got in one is why he died.
 
2013-12-11 12:39:24 PM  
KellyX:

Call me crazy, but when you hit a lamp pole, take it down, and then hit a tree and the tree cuts your car in half and sticks out of the middle of it... I suspect you're going a tad more than 45 MPH

The tree got needy, is all.
 
2013-12-11 12:42:24 PM  
I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS PAUL WALKER PERSON AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING HIS DEATH.

NOW.
 
2013-12-11 12:49:08 PM  

roughridersfan: That was the posted speed limit, not their actual speed.


And yet I have seen the 45-50 MPH number posted in a lot of places, fact remains people say they were doing almost 100 when police reports put it a lot lower.

nmrsnr: That's where the number 90 comes from, yes, but I've seen cars wrapped around trees going 35-45 MPH, and they do not split in half like that. True, I don't know how the Carrera GT's safety rating stacks up against a normal sedan, but to have a tree go through an engine block like that at 45 MPH seems... unlikely.


The car is almost all carbon fiber so even in a low impact crash it would explode, the pictures I saw the only thing left was the metal frame which was still in tact and the tree never reached the engine since its in the back of that car. Quit acting like its a normal car, the damn thing is a race car that was made street legal, so ignore everything you know about normal cars because it doesnt apply in this scenario.

KellyX: Call me crazy, but when you hit a lamp pole, take it down, and then hit a tree and the tree cuts your car in half and sticks out of the middle of it... I suspect you're going a tad more than 45 MPH


I had a friend take down a lamp post in a pinto driving 20 mph, they are not well anchored at all just a few bolts into a tiny concrete block and a car will rip in half thats made out of carbon fiber since you could pick up the whole body and carry it with only a couple normal sized men. Its not a normal car, quit acting like its going to react like one.
 
2013-12-11 12:49:43 PM  

Mikey1969: someonelse: Mikey1969: Actually, subby, you left part of it out. Of course, it doesn't have the sensationalistic 'pop' when you include the full sentence:

Paul Walker died after the speeding Porsche in which he was riding hydroplaned on reflective plastic markers in the street ... at least that's what his family and accident reconstruction experts believe.

I know, I know... It's cooler when you can paint the family as a bunch of amateur schmucks who don't know what they're talking about, right? BTW, the "Botts' Dots" thing has been a theory since the first day.

So, are these markers causing accidents everywhere?

Probably not, since the car involved is extremely touchy. Jesus, this shiat was all covered last week. The Porsche is basically a race car with a price tag on the window. If you read the article, you'd notice that. If you'd paid attention last week, you'd know that.


*slumps down in desk, sulking*
 
2013-12-11 12:51:37 PM  
Actually, I think it was the sudden stop that did it.
 
2013-12-11 12:53:17 PM  
No one has mentioned whether or not the traction control was on.

Super cars will save your ass with the traction control on.

Turn it off only when you are on a race track.
 
2013-12-11 01:02:12 PM  
PAUL WALKER DIED.

/yes, I intend to be this annoying in every PAUL WALKER thread from now on
 
2013-12-11 01:05:13 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.


I am under the impression that fark is in full support of ignoring speed limits.
 
2013-12-11 01:05:52 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Oh. Boo hoo. Boo hoo.

If you want a private race track, build it yourself jackhole.

//f*cking people who drive too fast.


There's quite the difference between reckless driving and efficient driving. We have a series of roads in my community that used to be 50 and they dropped it to a 35, not because the roads weren't built to handle 50 safely, but because the local construction companies petitioned city hall to lower the speeds to satisfy the by-laws necessary for the continued construction of houses in the surrounding area. Nothing but bumper to bumper traffic now as a result.

Not everything is black and white, Sparky. When politics get involved, nothing is fair. Speed isn't the enemy. Distraction, inexperienced drivers, and ignorant individuals such as yourself are a much bigger problem.
 
2013-12-11 01:08:07 PM  

adjmcloon: Actually, I think it was the sudden stop that did it.


What do you want me to say, "Paul Walker came to a sudden arboreal stop?"

/not even remotely obscure.
 
2013-12-11 01:10:13 PM  

cdn-media.hollywood.com

FarkingReading:
PAUL WALKER DIED.


FarkingReading: /yes, I intend to be this annoying in every PAUL WALKER thread from now on



RIP LUKE SKYWALKER

 
2013-12-11 01:12:23 PM  

rickythepenguin: blunttrauma: If I dropped that kind of coin on a sports car, it better rotate like Jenna Jameson.

carolla also talked about the car, i think how noted professional race car driver Jay Leno spun his Carerra out 3 times at some race.

i thinkt he story Rogan told was this friend of his drove it at a track, but cut the session short and said afterwards that the car was too dangerous.  something like that.  dude was like, "nope, not me, fark that car, yo."


Walter Rohrl (Porsche test driver and one of the greatest Group B drivers ever) said during wet-weather testing of the Carerra GT that the car absolutely frightened him.

Again, a man who did this successfully for a living:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVHj3sHVHQ

said the Carerra GT scared him.
 
2013-12-11 01:12:55 PM  

rickythepenguin: [cdn-media.hollywood.com image 306x306]

FarkingReading: PAUL WALKER DIED.

FarkingReading: /yes, I intend to be this annoying in every PAUL WALKER thread from now on


RIP LUKE SKYWALKER


You forgot to underline it. Fixed it for you.
 
2013-12-11 01:13:42 PM  

rickythepenguin: [cdn-media.hollywood.com image 306x306]

FarkingReading: PAUL WALKER DIED.

FarkingReading: /yes, I intend to be this annoying in every PAUL WALKER thread from now on


RIP LUKE SKYWALKER


And Aunt Baroo too...
 
2013-12-11 01:16:34 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: And Aunt Baroo too...



ummmm EXCUSE MEEEEEE but her name is "Beru", not "Baroo".  Sheesh.  They'll let anybody post nonsense these days.
 
2013-12-11 01:27:48 PM  

Glitchwerks: No one has mentioned whether or not the traction control was on.

Super cars will save your ass with the traction control on.

Turn it off only when you are on a race track.


Some of these cars didnt have traction control, others were outfitted for it after they decided to make them road legal as well.

From what I have read even an experienced driver had issues with this car so why it was ever made available to the public is crazy.
 
2013-12-11 01:30:24 PM  

rickythepenguin: Old_Chief_Scott: And Aunt Baroo too...


ummmm EXCUSE MEEEEEE but her name is "Beru", not "Baroo".  Sheesh.  They'll let anybody post nonsense these days.


BERU
 
2013-12-11 01:36:32 PM  

rickythepenguin: Old_Chief_Scott: And Aunt Baroo too...


ummmm EXCUSE MEEEEEE but her name is "Beru", not "Baroo".  Sheesh.  They'll let anybody post nonsense these days.


I used the Tattooine spelling not the Empire spelling.
 
2013-12-11 01:40:51 PM  

havana_joe: tzzhc4: It is a shame he died but what killed him was letting a friend drive his supercar like an ass on regular streets. If you want to drive your supercar like an ass go to a track where there are not curbs or trees to run into.


His friend was both the owner AND the driver of the car- Paul was just the passenger. We have no way to know if he encouraged his friend to drive like an ass or was screaming for him to slow down. Can't blame the victim in this case...


He should get better friends then.
 
2013-12-11 01:41:59 PM  

indarwinsshadow: [www.relativelyinteresting.com image 600x250]

I'd say he was up for one of these


reactimg.com
 
2013-12-11 01:45:18 PM  

machoprogrammer: Shut the fark up about it already, people. I am so sick of Paul Walker crap.


i283.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-11 01:50:29 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: We had something similar to this in San Diego recently.

The parents of a young man killed in a crash actually said that if the road didn't have dips in it their boy would not have lost control while doing in excess of 100 miles per hour. I will admit to taking those dips at a speed slightly higher than the posted limit but that's only so I can watch my wife's boobs jiggle.


Video of said activity or I call shenanigans.

/why, yes I am a bit of a perv
 
2013-12-11 01:52:34 PM  

acronym: yes, they were driving like assholes.  However, pisses me off that my town spent millions to fix a road so it is perfectly smooth and then put in speed bumps every 1/4 mile.


They didn't put "speed bumps" in; they installed markers BETWEEN lanes which you can feel when you run over them at speed.  They're there for distracted/sleepy drivers, and they do save lives.

There's a more expensive solution which involves milling into the road surface, but there's no reason for that on a road where the posted limit is 45 mph or less.
 
2013-12-11 02:03:12 PM  

Glitchwerks: No one has mentioned whether or not the traction control was on.

Super cars will save your ass with the traction control on.

Turn it off only when you are on a race track.


That's the major problem with the car: no traction control.

It's largely the same as the regular Carrera of the era, and it's the last truly mechanical Porsche made.  But the car was really designed to have it.  It's like flying the Stealth Bomber (which is basically a brick) without all its computer systems.  I can only imagine it offered for sale in a fit of insanity by Porsche.
 
2013-12-11 02:12:42 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Glitchwerks: No one has mentioned whether or not the traction control was on.

Super cars will save your ass with the traction control on.

Turn it off only when you are on a race track.

That's the major problem with the car: no traction control.

It's largely the same as the regular Carrera of the era, and it's the last truly mechanical Porsche made.  But the car was really designed to have it.  It's like flying the Stealth Bomber (which is basically a brick) without all its computer systems.  I can only imagine it offered for sale in a fit of insanity by Porsche.


No, it has traction control.

IndyCar driver Graham Rahal, who once owned the car that Rodas was driving, effectively said it does fark all, though.
 
2013-12-11 02:14:04 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: This is your daily reminder that the driver of Paul Walker's death mobile was his friend, Roger Rodas. Not only is Roger Rodas a professional driver, he owns a car customization company. All that vehicle knowledge, and absolutely zero respect for the fact that he was operating a killing machine in the worst possible way.

R.I.H. Roger Rodas. You could have put actual people's lives at risk, you selfish asshole.

/rest in hell




Vewy well, I shall... Welease... Woger!
 
2013-12-11 02:16:51 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Glitchwerks: No one has mentioned whether or not the traction control was on.

Super cars will save your ass with the traction control on.

Turn it off only when you are on a race track.


The Carrera GT has traction control, but not of the type that is going to save you much when you get it far out of shape.       http://www.autoweek.com/article/20131201/carnews/131209996
 
2013-12-11 02:22:00 PM  
I'm curious how the car hydroplaned in the absence of any hydro.  When a car is hydroplaning, it is basically floating on the water due to the speed of the tires vs the water.  For other examples of this watch as boats rise while traveling at higher speeds, or why snowmobiles can travel across water when at speed.
 
2013-12-11 02:27:26 PM  
Tiny bumps did not kill them
Going fast did not kill them

The sudden stop and subsequent immolation, that killed them.
 
2013-12-11 02:56:07 PM  
How does one "hydroplane" across a 4" ceramic disk?
 
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