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2013-12-11 08:59:13 AM  
We used to call them pedestrians.
 
2013-12-11 09:09:55 AM  
It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.
 
2013-12-11 09:17:06 AM  
So how much does one pay for a car that sucks this badly?
 
2013-12-11 09:21:09 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: We used to call them pedestrians.


Pedestrians walking at 80 mph caused my windshield to break - it wasn't me.
 
2013-12-11 09:47:03 AM  
I don't know- I travel over lots of speed bumps, and in a very poor handling SUV. Never had any problems.

I wonder what the difference cold be?
 
2013-12-11 10:03:00 AM  
The Obama administration obviously got to them after those hellfires hit.
 
2013-12-11 10:04:21 AM  
And here we all thought it was the tree and fire...
 
2013-12-11 10:05:18 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.


Concise, comprehensive, conclusive.

We're done here.
 
2013-12-11 10:07:46 AM  
You're son was an idiot and deserved to die in precisely that fashion.
 
2013-12-11 10:08:55 AM  
We had something similar to this in San Diego recently.

The parents of a young man killed in a crash actually said that if the road didn't have dips in it their boy would not have lost control while doing in excess of 100 miles per hour. I will admit to taking those dips at a speed slightly higher than the posted limit but that's only so I can watch my wife's boobs jiggle.
 
2013-12-11 10:11:11 AM  
yes, they were driving like assholes.  However, pisses me off that my town spent millions to fix a road so it is perfectly smooth and then put in speed bumps every 1/4 mile.
 
2013-12-11 10:11:50 AM  
www.relativelyinteresting.com

I'd say he was up for one of these
 
2013-12-11 10:11:52 AM  

Brick-House: And here we all thought it was the tree and fire...


Magnesium burns too
 
2013-12-11 10:12:30 AM  
Actually, subby, you left part of it out. Of course, it doesn't have the sensationalistic 'pop' when you include the full sentence:

Paul Walker died after the speeding Porsche in which he was riding hydroplaned on reflective plastic markers in the street ... at least that's what his family and accident reconstruction experts believe.

I know, I know... It's cooler when you can paint the family as a bunch of amateur schmucks who don't know what they're talking about, right? BTW, the "Botts' Dots" thing has been a theory since the first day.
 
2013-12-11 10:16:10 AM  

acronym: yes, they were driving like assholes.  However, pisses me off that my town spent millions to fix a road so it is perfectly smooth and then put in speed bumps every 1/4 mile.


You could always do what my town did. Build wide smooth 4-lane roads with a speed limit of 55 and then suddenly lower it to 45 and station cops at the speed limit change.

/the town also lowered several 45mph roads to 35mph and now they camp out there too
//f*cking cops
 
2013-12-11 10:17:09 AM  

namegoeshere: So how much does one pay for a car that sucks this badly?


It's a driver's car.  When there is a fark up, the fault lies entirely with the driver.  The car far from sucks and is intended to engage every aspect of driving skill. The driver thought he didn't suck, and I am not saying he does, at driving 911s, that is.  I just don't think he had enough experience with this car, as shown by putting stickier tires on it and not keeping the MFG suggested tires on the car, and then did things he should not have done in that car, and I think it was overconfidence in skills from driving other cars that resulted in this death.
 
2013-12-11 10:18:07 AM  

bdub77: acronym: yes, they were driving like assholes.  However, pisses me off that my town spent millions to fix a road so it is perfectly smooth and then put in speed bumps every 1/4 mile.

You could always do what my town did. Build wide smooth 4-lane roads with a speed limit of 55 and then suddenly lower it to 45 and station cops at the speed limit change.

/the town also lowered several 45mph roads to 35mph and now they camp out there too
//f*cking cops


t3.gstatic.com


Oh. Boo hoo. Boo hoo.

If you want a private race track, build it yourself jackhole.

//f*cking people who drive too fast.
 
2013-12-11 10:18:28 AM  
I think these dots are not really speed bumps - just the reminders to keep you in your lane (although its hard to tell from the picture). Plus to quote from the article:

"a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots "

I guess this "proves" the driver was driving in an unsafe manner.
 
2013-12-11 10:20:02 AM  

indarwinsshadow: bdub77: acronym: yes, they were driving like assholes.  However, pisses me off that my town spent millions to fix a road so it is perfectly smooth and then put in speed bumps every 1/4 mile.

You could always do what my town did. Build wide smooth 4-lane roads with a speed limit of 55 and then suddenly lower it to 45 and station cops at the speed limit change.

/the town also lowered several 45mph roads to 35mph and now they camp out there too
//f*cking cops

[t3.gstatic.com image 256x192]


Oh. Boo hoo. Boo hoo.

If you want a private race track, build it yourself jackhole.

//f*cking people who drive too fast.


welcometofark.jpg
 
2013-12-11 10:23:40 AM  
These people are in mourning.  Ignore them for now and let them grieve.
 
2013-12-11 10:28:34 AM  

YetAnotherTacitus: I think these dots are not really speed bumps - just the reminders to keep you in your lane (although its hard to tell from the picture). Plus to quote from the article:

"a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots "

I guess this "proves" the driver was driving in an unsafe manner.


Those dots are in Dallas too, as lane markers. Never knew what they were called and I lived there for 4 years.

They made getting over into another lane interesting, but I never took them at 90 mph.

I don't understand. If the driver wanted to drive stupidly/recklessly (and assuming Walker didn't encourage him), why didn't they just go rent a track* to turn the car loose? Why get stupid on surface streets?

*- or whatever famous/rich people do to drive cars at blistering speed
 
2013-12-11 10:28:52 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2013-12-11 10:30:54 AM  

mr_a: I don't know- I travel over lots of speed bumps, and in a very poor handling SUV. Never had any problems.

I wonder what the difference cold be?


Well, considering that your "poor handling SUV" has more than 2 or 3 inches of total ground clearance? I'd say that you'll be OK.
 
2013-12-11 10:31:29 AM  
Shut the fark up about it already, people. I am so sick of Paul Walker crap.

He was a rich (albeit generous) guy who you didn't even know that was killed driving his car at insanely unsafe high speeds. Boo hoo. I doubt more than half the people mourning even cared about him until he died.
 
2013-12-11 10:31:49 AM  

Mikey1969: Actually, subby, you left part of it out. Of course, it doesn't have the sensationalistic 'pop' when you include the full sentence:

Paul Walker died after the speeding Porsche in which he was riding hydroplaned on reflective plastic markers in the street ... at least that's what his family and accident reconstruction experts believe.

I know, I know... It's cooler when you can paint the family as a bunch of amateur schmucks who don't know what they're talking about, right? BTW, the "Botts' Dots" thing has been a theory since the first day.


What do those  accident reconstruction experts say about the speed the vehicle was moving at that allowed it to start hydoplaning in the first place?   And continue hydroplaning on the other three tires that did not come in contact with the road markers?   Does the family of Roger Rodas concur?
 
2013-12-11 10:37:32 AM  

Mikey1969: Actually, subby, you left part of it out. Of course, it doesn't have the sensationalistic 'pop' when you include the full sentence:

Paul Walker died after the speeding Porsche in which he was riding hydroplaned on reflective plastic markers in the street ... at least that's what his family and accident reconstruction experts believe.

I know, I know... It's cooler when you can paint the family as a bunch of amateur schmucks who don't know what they're talking about, right? BTW, the "Botts' Dots" thing has been a theory since the first day.


The dots were only an issue because of the speed involved.
 
2013-12-11 10:40:52 AM  
It is a shame he died but what killed him was letting a friend drive his supercar like an ass on regular streets. If you want to drive your supercar like an ass go to a track where there are not curbs or trees to run into.
 
2013-12-11 10:42:42 AM  

Seequinn: What do those  accident reconstruction experts say about the speed the vehicle was moving at that allowed it to start hydoplaning in the first place?


I cannot wait for these reconstruction experts to explain how metal & plastic objects cause "hydroplaning." Sudden and unexpected loss of grip, especially so if you are using racing tires, maybe, but unless these also exude some form of liquid, this statement makes them sound dumb.
 
2013-12-11 10:42:45 AM  
Little bumps didn't kill them, Isaac Newton did.
 
2013-12-11 10:43:21 AM  
You son made bad choices all along.

Just because you watch a movie about driving fast doesn't mean you can do it. And don't do it in a car that won't protect you from a crash. And don't drive that car in an environment that risks that kind of crash.

I was young and stupid. Now I'm just stupid. How I've lived this long, I'll never know.
 
2013-12-11 10:46:45 AM  
Hahahahhahaahahahaha!

Thanks for the laughs, Paul Walker's family. (yes, I feel sorry for them, but that's legitimately funny)
 
2013-12-11 10:47:06 AM  

Seequinn: What do those  accident reconstruction experts say about the speed the vehicle was moving at that allowed it to start hydoplaning in the first place?   And continue hydroplaning on the other three tires that did not come in contact with the road markers?   Does the family of Roger Rodas concur?


Probably that it was going fast enough for this to happen in the first place.

MFAWG: The dots were only an issue because of the speed involved.


That added nothing to the conversation, but thanks.
 
2013-12-11 10:49:24 AM  
I know it's been said but if the idiot had been driving the speed limit they would be alive today. Assholes.
 
2013-12-11 10:50:48 AM  

tzzhc4: It is a shame he died but what killed him was letting a friend drive his supercar like an ass on regular streets. If you want to drive your supercar like an ass go to a track where there are not curbs or trees to run into.


And you can kill yourself without endangering others who are out minding their own business.

blunttrauma: Little bumps didn't kill them, Isaac Newton did.


That bastard!
 
2013-12-11 10:51:02 AM  

tzzhc4: It is a shame he died but what killed him was letting a friend drive his supercar like an ass on regular streets. If you want to drive your supercar like an ass go to a track where there are not curbs or trees to run into.



His friend was both the owner AND the driver of the car- Paul was just the passenger. We have no way to know if he encouraged his friend to drive like an ass or was screaming for him to slow down. Can't blame the victim in this case...
 
2013-12-11 10:52:53 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.


GOOD
 
2013-12-11 10:55:01 AM  
Ha. If the "experts" truly believe those small bumps caused the accident, then it's been A Miracle on 34th St. all over the country for a long time.

BS theory is BS.

The family should be lecturing others on the dangers of speeding and reckless driving, not making up stuff that will go hand in hand to kill others later on by poor example, i.e., "Duh, da walker's family said I can go 120 on any street, but look out for the small road bump dealies!"
 
2013-12-11 10:57:44 AM  
I hit a manhole that had been raised in preparation for repaving and it caused me to go out of control and hit a pole, nearly killing two of my friends.

/so I'm getting a kick
//why yes I was speeding like a dickhead.
 
2013-12-11 10:57:48 AM  

Mikey1969: Actually, subby, you left part of it out. Of course, it doesn't have the sensationalistic 'pop' when you include the full sentence:

Paul Walker died after the speeding Porsche in which he was riding hydroplaned on reflective plastic markers in the street ... at least that's what his family and accident reconstruction experts believe.

I know, I know... It's cooler when you can paint the family as a bunch of amateur schmucks who don't know what they're talking about, right? BTW, the "Botts' Dots" thing has been a theory since the first day.


So, are these markers causing accidents everywhere?
 
2013-12-11 11:05:07 AM  

someonelse: Mikey1969: Actually, subby, you left part of it out. Of course, it doesn't have the sensationalistic 'pop' when you include the full sentence:

Paul Walker died after the speeding Porsche in which he was riding hydroplaned on reflective plastic markers in the street ... at least that's what his family and accident reconstruction experts believe.

I know, I know... It's cooler when you can paint the family as a bunch of amateur schmucks who don't know what they're talking about, right? BTW, the "Botts' Dots" thing has been a theory since the first day.

So, are these markers causing accidents everywhere?


Probably not, since the car involved is extremely touchy. Jesus, this shiat was all covered last week. The Porsche is basically a race car with a price tag on the window. If you read the article, you'd notice that. If you'd paid attention last week, you'd know that.
 
2013-12-11 11:06:41 AM  
"a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots "

And colliding with a tree is generally fatal in a car going at speeds approaching 90 MPH, but I still don't blame the tree.

Nobody deserves to die in a horrible car wreck, but some people sure don't try to make it so they don't.
 
2013-12-11 11:09:07 AM  

havana_joe: Can't blame the victim in this case...


Oh yeah? Just watch 'em...
 
2013-12-11 11:11:53 AM  

havana_joe: His friend was both the owner AND the driver of the car- Paul was just the passenger. We have no way to know if he encouraged his friend to drive like an ass or was screaming for him to slow down



adam carolla said of the unfortunate incident, "it must have sucked to be Paul Walker, because every time he got into someone's car, you know that person felt the need to impress him;  'gotcher seatbelt on?  i wanna show you what this baby can do!'  For all we know he was probably begging the driver to slow down."

joe rogan was also talking about it, moreso the car.  he has a professional driver friend that, if i get it correctly, will not drive that car.  says it is too powerful and the suspension too raw (my words, not his).  i guess the mid-engine design has a totally different distribution of weight that, if you aren't an experienced driver, the turning / distribution of weight coupled with the racing suspension, is just a firecracker of a car.

dunno.
 
2013-12-11 11:15:43 AM  

blunttrauma: Little bumps didn't kill them, Isaac Newton did.


That guy has killed more people that Dihydrogen Monoxide.  Study it out.
 
2013-12-11 11:20:54 AM  

bdub77: indarwinsshadow: bdub77: acronym: yes, they were driving like assholes.  However, pisses me off that my town spent millions to fix a road so it is perfectly smooth and then put in speed bumps every 1/4 mile.

You could always do what my town did. Build wide smooth 4-lane roads with a speed limit of 55 and then suddenly lower it to 45 and station cops at the speed limit change.

/the town also lowered several 45mph roads to 35mph and now they camp out there too
//f*cking cops

[t3.gstatic.com image 256x192]


Oh. Boo hoo. Boo hoo.

If you want a private race track, build it yourself jackhole.

//f*cking people who drive too fast.

welcometofark.jpg


 Suck me sideways.
 
2013-12-11 11:24:37 AM  
rickythepenguin:   i guess the mid-engine design has a totally different distribution of weight that, if you aren't an experienced driver, the turning / distribution of weight coupled with the racing suspension, is just a firecracker of a car.

If I dropped that kind of coin on a sports car, it better rotate like Jenna Jameson.
 
2013-12-11 11:27:42 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.


This. The net effect is that Porsche sells some Darwinner a new Porsche.
 
2013-12-11 11:28:47 AM  

blunttrauma: If I dropped that kind of coin on a sports car, it better rotate like Jenna Jameson.


carolla also talked about the car, i think how noted professional race car driver Jay Leno spun his Carerra out 3 times at some race.

i thinkt he story Rogan told was this friend of his drove it at a track, but cut the session short and said afterwards that the car was too dangerous.  something like that.  dude was like, "nope, not me, fark that car, yo."
 
2013-12-11 11:38:03 AM  
This is your daily reminder that the driver of Paul Walker's death mobile was his friend, Roger Rodas. Not only is Roger Rodas a professional driver, he owns a car customization company. All that vehicle knowledge, and absolutely zero respect for the fact that he was operating a killing machine in the worst possible way.

R.I.H. Roger Rodas. You could have put actual people's lives at risk, you selfish asshole.

/rest in hell
 
2013-12-11 11:38:22 AM  
I blame the driver only because that person was a pro racer and should have known better, it's like Mario Andretti driving around LA like it's Need for Speed. You're gonna crash sooner or later.
 
2013-12-11 11:39:37 AM  

Beeblebrox: These people are in mourning.  Ignore them for now and let them grieve.


Just for now?
 
2013-12-11 11:40:22 AM  

Beeblebrox: These people are in mourning.  Ignore them for now and let them grieve.


Okay, but only if they promise to grieve in private and not go to the media in order to blame everybody and everything except the two people directly involved. Oh wait.
 
2013-12-11 11:42:37 AM  

rickythepenguin: carolla also talked about the car, i think how noted professional race car driver Jay Leno spun his Carerra out 3 times at some race.

i thinkt he story Rogan told was this friend of his drove it at a track, but cut the session short and said afterwards that the car was too dangerous.  something like that.  dude was like, "nope, not me, fark that car, yo."


Here's "The Stig" losing control of it and apparently did so several times:

http://youtu.be/vE_WqdKbTvY?t=6m

You don't push that car unless you have plenty of runoff and margin for error and especially so if you don't have tons of seat time in it.
 
2013-12-11 11:43:15 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: You son made bad choices all along.

Just because you watch a movie about driving fast doesn't mean you can do it. And don't do it in a car that won't protect you from a crash. And don't drive that car in an environment that risks that kind of crash.

I was young and stupid. Now I'm just stupid. How I've lived this long, I'll never know.


He wasn't driving, but whatever, right?

Bruce Campbell: namegoeshere: So how much does one pay for a car that sucks this badly?

It's a driver's car.  When there is a fark up, the fault lies entirely with the driver.  The car far from sucks and is intended to engage every aspect of driving skill. The driver thought he didn't suck, and I am not saying he does, at driving 911s, that is.  I just don't think he had enough experience with this car, as shown by putting stickier tires on it and not keeping the MFG suggested tires on the car, and then did things he should not have done in that car, and I think it was overconfidence in skills from driving other cars that resulted in this death.


Apparently, Porsche has had to test and approve at least one other option for rubber, since the OEM tires are so nucking futs.  I don't know if this is the same one that evo tested, but they said the different rubber they put on their Carrera GT took some of the edge off.

Whether the OEM tires would have helped or hurt the situation, well, won't ever be known.
 
2013-12-11 11:47:40 AM  
Driving 3x the posted speed limit killed him, it's as simple as that, stop trying to blame everything else.
 
2013-12-11 11:58:30 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.


And I thought they were only going 45mph according to most sources?
 
2013-12-11 12:00:46 PM  

Clutch2013: Whether the OEM tires would have helped or hurt the situation, well, won't ever be known.


Changing the tires from those suggested and developed by the MFG points to hubris in thinking that "I have raced 911s. I can handle this thing.  Put some racing tires on it."  I am not saying that the suggested tires would have made any difference.  I am saying that ignoring 10 years of tire development with input for drivers far more expert than this driver, says enough about the mentality of the driver.
 
2013-12-11 12:04:31 PM  

nmrsnr: "a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots "

And colliding with a tree is generally fatal in a car going at speeds approaching 90 MPH, but I still don't blame the tree.

Nobody deserves to die in a horrible car wreck, but some people sure don't try to make it so they don't.


Oh so that is where people are assuming they were doing 90, its reading comprehension failure.

The compound of the tire is what makes it lose traction and if these had racing compounds on an abnormally cold day it made it 100 times worse. I had some on my mustang which will react like ice if you try to get into the throttle when the tires are cold but if you warm them up they are sticky as hell. And they were a short distance from the shop which leads you to believe they didnt have the tires up to temp.
 
2013-12-11 12:06:05 PM  
Seems the key paragraph is this:

"We've learned the experts have told the family ... a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots.  It's akin to driving on ice -- and  control is further compromised by the fact that the Porsche was outfitted with special racing tires that have very little tread."
 
2013-12-11 12:06:38 PM  
Until this dude died I had never heard of him.  I don't understand mourning celebrities who cause their own fate, whether by specific choices that result in an early death, or lifestyle choices that made an early death inevitable.

The druggie from Glee
The Joker
Gun-eater Cobain
Tupac
Biggie
Whitney Houston
Michael Jackson
And any one of a hundred others.
 
2013-12-11 12:12:11 PM  

KellyX: Seems the key paragraph is this:

"We've learned the experts have told the family ... a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots.  It's akin to driving on ice -- and  control is further compromised by the fact that the Porsche was outfitted with special racing tires that have very little tread."


Yes but what I have read was they weren't going 90 and that is just talking about normal cars, when you add in soft compound tires it makes it a lot worse.

But people who have never driven on soft compound tires will never understand that fact, mainly because they cost double than what regular tires cost and last less than half as long.
 
2013-12-11 12:12:36 PM  

steamingpile: Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.

And I thought they were only going 45mph according to most sources?


That was the posted speed limit, not their actual speed.
 
2013-12-11 12:15:51 PM  

namegoeshere: So how much does one pay for a car that sucks this badly?


Whatever it was, he got burned.
 
2013-12-11 12:18:38 PM  

steamingpile: Oh so that is where people are assuming they were doing 90, its reading comprehension failure.


That's where the number 90 comes from, yes, but I've seen cars wrapped around trees going 35-45 MPH, and they do not split in half like that. True, I don't know how the Carrera GT's safety rating stacks up against a normal sedan, but to have a tree go through an engine block like that at 45 MPH seems... unlikely.
 
2013-12-11 12:20:58 PM  
the driver driving way beyond the speed limit and disregarding the law is what killed him not the speed bumps


idiots......morans
 
2013-12-11 12:21:54 PM  
The thing I'm most upset about is that the world was robbed of a potential Whoa-fest between Keanu Reeves and Paul Walker.

/except Keanu has gone all "IM ASIAN, LETS MAKE MARTIAL ARTS FILMS" on us
 
2013-12-11 12:27:47 PM  
indarwinsshadow:
Oh. Boo hoo. Boo hoo.

If you want a private race track, build it yourself jackhole.

//f*cking people who drive too fast.

welcometofark.jpg

 Suck me sideways.


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-12-11 12:36:53 PM  
If your friend has a Porche, and I have friends that do, and they want to go somewhere, you drive them.
It's the least you can do.
Take it slow. Enjoy the handling, the responsiveness of the brakes.
But don't go all zoom zoom.
That's for assholes and dead people.
 
2013-12-11 12:37:18 PM  

steamingpile: KellyX: Seems the key paragraph is this:

"We've learned the experts have told the family ... a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots.  It's akin to driving on ice -- and  control is further compromised by the fact that the Porsche was outfitted with special racing tires that have very little tread."

Yes but what I have read was they weren't going 90 and that is just talking about normal cars, when you add in soft compound tires it makes it a lot worse.

But people who have never driven on soft compound tires will never understand that fact, mainly because they cost double than what regular tires cost and last less than half as long.


Call me crazy, but when you hit a lamp pole, take it down, and then hit a tree and the tree cuts your car in half and sticks out of the middle of it... I suspect you're going a tad more than 45 MPH
 
2013-12-11 12:37:30 PM  
So, in other words, they believe what most of us did from the beginning. That the Carerra GT is a twitchy POS that has no business being on a public road and the fact he got in one is why he died.
 
2013-12-11 12:39:24 PM  
KellyX:

Call me crazy, but when you hit a lamp pole, take it down, and then hit a tree and the tree cuts your car in half and sticks out of the middle of it... I suspect you're going a tad more than 45 MPH

The tree got needy, is all.
 
2013-12-11 12:42:24 PM  
I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS PAUL WALKER PERSON AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING HIS DEATH.

NOW.
 
2013-12-11 12:49:08 PM  

roughridersfan: That was the posted speed limit, not their actual speed.


And yet I have seen the 45-50 MPH number posted in a lot of places, fact remains people say they were doing almost 100 when police reports put it a lot lower.

nmrsnr: That's where the number 90 comes from, yes, but I've seen cars wrapped around trees going 35-45 MPH, and they do not split in half like that. True, I don't know how the Carrera GT's safety rating stacks up against a normal sedan, but to have a tree go through an engine block like that at 45 MPH seems... unlikely.


The car is almost all carbon fiber so even in a low impact crash it would explode, the pictures I saw the only thing left was the metal frame which was still in tact and the tree never reached the engine since its in the back of that car. Quit acting like its a normal car, the damn thing is a race car that was made street legal, so ignore everything you know about normal cars because it doesnt apply in this scenario.

KellyX: Call me crazy, but when you hit a lamp pole, take it down, and then hit a tree and the tree cuts your car in half and sticks out of the middle of it... I suspect you're going a tad more than 45 MPH


I had a friend take down a lamp post in a pinto driving 20 mph, they are not well anchored at all just a few bolts into a tiny concrete block and a car will rip in half thats made out of carbon fiber since you could pick up the whole body and carry it with only a couple normal sized men. Its not a normal car, quit acting like its going to react like one.
 
2013-12-11 12:49:43 PM  

Mikey1969: someonelse: Mikey1969: Actually, subby, you left part of it out. Of course, it doesn't have the sensationalistic 'pop' when you include the full sentence:

Paul Walker died after the speeding Porsche in which he was riding hydroplaned on reflective plastic markers in the street ... at least that's what his family and accident reconstruction experts believe.

I know, I know... It's cooler when you can paint the family as a bunch of amateur schmucks who don't know what they're talking about, right? BTW, the "Botts' Dots" thing has been a theory since the first day.

So, are these markers causing accidents everywhere?

Probably not, since the car involved is extremely touchy. Jesus, this shiat was all covered last week. The Porsche is basically a race car with a price tag on the window. If you read the article, you'd notice that. If you'd paid attention last week, you'd know that.


*slumps down in desk, sulking*
 
2013-12-11 12:51:37 PM  
Actually, I think it was the sudden stop that did it.
 
2013-12-11 12:53:17 PM  
No one has mentioned whether or not the traction control was on.

Super cars will save your ass with the traction control on.

Turn it off only when you are on a race track.
 
2013-12-11 01:02:12 PM  
PAUL WALKER DIED.

/yes, I intend to be this annoying in every PAUL WALKER thread from now on
 
2013-12-11 01:05:13 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.


I am under the impression that fark is in full support of ignoring speed limits.
 
2013-12-11 01:05:52 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Oh. Boo hoo. Boo hoo.

If you want a private race track, build it yourself jackhole.

//f*cking people who drive too fast.


There's quite the difference between reckless driving and efficient driving. We have a series of roads in my community that used to be 50 and they dropped it to a 35, not because the roads weren't built to handle 50 safely, but because the local construction companies petitioned city hall to lower the speeds to satisfy the by-laws necessary for the continued construction of houses in the surrounding area. Nothing but bumper to bumper traffic now as a result.

Not everything is black and white, Sparky. When politics get involved, nothing is fair. Speed isn't the enemy. Distraction, inexperienced drivers, and ignorant individuals such as yourself are a much bigger problem.
 
2013-12-11 01:08:07 PM  

adjmcloon: Actually, I think it was the sudden stop that did it.


What do you want me to say, "Paul Walker came to a sudden arboreal stop?"

/not even remotely obscure.
 
2013-12-11 01:10:13 PM  

cdn-media.hollywood.com

FarkingReading:
PAUL WALKER DIED.


FarkingReading: /yes, I intend to be this annoying in every PAUL WALKER thread from now on



RIP LUKE SKYWALKER

 
2013-12-11 01:12:23 PM  

rickythepenguin: blunttrauma: If I dropped that kind of coin on a sports car, it better rotate like Jenna Jameson.

carolla also talked about the car, i think how noted professional race car driver Jay Leno spun his Carerra out 3 times at some race.

i thinkt he story Rogan told was this friend of his drove it at a track, but cut the session short and said afterwards that the car was too dangerous.  something like that.  dude was like, "nope, not me, fark that car, yo."


Walter Rohrl (Porsche test driver and one of the greatest Group B drivers ever) said during wet-weather testing of the Carerra GT that the car absolutely frightened him.

Again, a man who did this successfully for a living:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVHj3sHVHQ

said the Carerra GT scared him.
 
2013-12-11 01:12:55 PM  

rickythepenguin: [cdn-media.hollywood.com image 306x306]

FarkingReading: PAUL WALKER DIED.

FarkingReading: /yes, I intend to be this annoying in every PAUL WALKER thread from now on


RIP LUKE SKYWALKER


You forgot to underline it. Fixed it for you.
 
2013-12-11 01:13:42 PM  

rickythepenguin: [cdn-media.hollywood.com image 306x306]

FarkingReading: PAUL WALKER DIED.

FarkingReading: /yes, I intend to be this annoying in every PAUL WALKER thread from now on


RIP LUKE SKYWALKER


And Aunt Baroo too...
 
2013-12-11 01:16:34 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: And Aunt Baroo too...



ummmm EXCUSE MEEEEEE but her name is "Beru", not "Baroo".  Sheesh.  They'll let anybody post nonsense these days.
 
2013-12-11 01:27:48 PM  

Glitchwerks: No one has mentioned whether or not the traction control was on.

Super cars will save your ass with the traction control on.

Turn it off only when you are on a race track.


Some of these cars didnt have traction control, others were outfitted for it after they decided to make them road legal as well.

From what I have read even an experienced driver had issues with this car so why it was ever made available to the public is crazy.
 
2013-12-11 01:30:24 PM  

rickythepenguin: Old_Chief_Scott: And Aunt Baroo too...


ummmm EXCUSE MEEEEEE but her name is "Beru", not "Baroo".  Sheesh.  They'll let anybody post nonsense these days.


BERU
 
2013-12-11 01:36:32 PM  

rickythepenguin: Old_Chief_Scott: And Aunt Baroo too...


ummmm EXCUSE MEEEEEE but her name is "Beru", not "Baroo".  Sheesh.  They'll let anybody post nonsense these days.


I used the Tattooine spelling not the Empire spelling.
 
2013-12-11 01:40:51 PM  

havana_joe: tzzhc4: It is a shame he died but what killed him was letting a friend drive his supercar like an ass on regular streets. If you want to drive your supercar like an ass go to a track where there are not curbs or trees to run into.


His friend was both the owner AND the driver of the car- Paul was just the passenger. We have no way to know if he encouraged his friend to drive like an ass or was screaming for him to slow down. Can't blame the victim in this case...


He should get better friends then.
 
2013-12-11 01:41:59 PM  

indarwinsshadow: [www.relativelyinteresting.com image 600x250]

I'd say he was up for one of these


reactimg.com
 
2013-12-11 01:45:18 PM  

machoprogrammer: Shut the fark up about it already, people. I am so sick of Paul Walker crap.


i283.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-11 01:50:29 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: We had something similar to this in San Diego recently.

The parents of a young man killed in a crash actually said that if the road didn't have dips in it their boy would not have lost control while doing in excess of 100 miles per hour. I will admit to taking those dips at a speed slightly higher than the posted limit but that's only so I can watch my wife's boobs jiggle.


Video of said activity or I call shenanigans.

/why, yes I am a bit of a perv
 
2013-12-11 01:52:34 PM  

acronym: yes, they were driving like assholes.  However, pisses me off that my town spent millions to fix a road so it is perfectly smooth and then put in speed bumps every 1/4 mile.


They didn't put "speed bumps" in; they installed markers BETWEEN lanes which you can feel when you run over them at speed.  They're there for distracted/sleepy drivers, and they do save lives.

There's a more expensive solution which involves milling into the road surface, but there's no reason for that on a road where the posted limit is 45 mph or less.
 
2013-12-11 02:03:12 PM  

Glitchwerks: No one has mentioned whether or not the traction control was on.

Super cars will save your ass with the traction control on.

Turn it off only when you are on a race track.


That's the major problem with the car: no traction control.

It's largely the same as the regular Carrera of the era, and it's the last truly mechanical Porsche made.  But the car was really designed to have it.  It's like flying the Stealth Bomber (which is basically a brick) without all its computer systems.  I can only imagine it offered for sale in a fit of insanity by Porsche.
 
2013-12-11 02:12:42 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Glitchwerks: No one has mentioned whether or not the traction control was on.

Super cars will save your ass with the traction control on.

Turn it off only when you are on a race track.

That's the major problem with the car: no traction control.

It's largely the same as the regular Carrera of the era, and it's the last truly mechanical Porsche made.  But the car was really designed to have it.  It's like flying the Stealth Bomber (which is basically a brick) without all its computer systems.  I can only imagine it offered for sale in a fit of insanity by Porsche.


No, it has traction control.

IndyCar driver Graham Rahal, who once owned the car that Rodas was driving, effectively said it does fark all, though.
 
2013-12-11 02:14:04 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: This is your daily reminder that the driver of Paul Walker's death mobile was his friend, Roger Rodas. Not only is Roger Rodas a professional driver, he owns a car customization company. All that vehicle knowledge, and absolutely zero respect for the fact that he was operating a killing machine in the worst possible way.

R.I.H. Roger Rodas. You could have put actual people's lives at risk, you selfish asshole.

/rest in hell




Vewy well, I shall... Welease... Woger!
 
2013-12-11 02:16:51 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Glitchwerks: No one has mentioned whether or not the traction control was on.

Super cars will save your ass with the traction control on.

Turn it off only when you are on a race track.


The Carrera GT has traction control, but not of the type that is going to save you much when you get it far out of shape.       http://www.autoweek.com/article/20131201/carnews/131209996
 
2013-12-11 02:22:00 PM  
I'm curious how the car hydroplaned in the absence of any hydro.  When a car is hydroplaning, it is basically floating on the water due to the speed of the tires vs the water.  For other examples of this watch as boats rise while traveling at higher speeds, or why snowmobiles can travel across water when at speed.
 
2013-12-11 02:27:26 PM  
Tiny bumps did not kill them
Going fast did not kill them

The sudden stop and subsequent immolation, that killed them.
 
2013-12-11 02:56:07 PM  
How does one "hydroplane" across a 4" ceramic disk?
 
2013-12-11 02:58:15 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: They didn't put "speed bumps" in; they installed markers BETWEEN lanes which you can feel when you run over them at speed. They're there for distracted/sleepy drivers, and they do save lives.


Yes, which if they caused him a problem means he wasn't bothering with such a silly thing as keeping it in the lane.
 
2013-12-11 03:16:19 PM  
Life imitates art imitates life...

The bumps were there because it was a drag racing area by youths most likely inspired by the Paul Walker movies, so fittingly, their fandom of his irresponsible movies led to his death by having speed bumps installed to counter their mimicking.
 
2013-12-11 03:20:38 PM  

T.rex: Life imitates art imitates life...

The bumps were there because it was a drag racing area by youths most likely inspired by the Paul Walker movies, so fittingly, their fandom of his irresponsible movies led to his death by having speed bumps installed to counter their mimicking.


It's going to be a laugh riot when an actual dinosaur comments on your comment and the comment subsequently flies off the screen in fear of a large dinosaur and the comment then pierces your brain.
 
2013-12-11 03:28:31 PM  
What's the difference between Paul Walker and Ryan Dunn?  About 30 percentage points on Rotten Tomatoes.
 
2013-12-11 03:29:35 PM  

Bruce Campbell: Dwight_Yeast: Glitchwerks: No one has mentioned whether or not the traction control was on.

Super cars will save your ass with the traction control on.

Turn it off only when you are on a race track.

The Carrera GT has traction control, but not of the type that is going to save you much when you get it far out of shape.       http://www.autoweek.com/article/20131201/carnews/131209996


Yeah thats one article I was looking for, most traction control doesn't do a whole lot to fix issues and people act like it will save you all the time. Some traction control just applies controlled braking and doesn't help, other uses mechanics to grip the axle or to use the motor to slow it down which work the best.

What I find interesting is the 'black box' event recorder has not been released, seems that would be the only way to determine their speed since with this type of body/chassis the police would have very little experience with and could not give a correct estimate of speed.
 
2013-12-11 03:45:06 PM  
I can enjoy the results without concerning myself with the cause.
 
2013-12-11 03:49:29 PM  
Racecar?
Are you serious?
This is what we are talking about, right?
autopixx.de
it weight 1.4 tonns, has doors you can open, windows you can open electricaly, and so on, and no mandatory etinguisher, roll-bar,...
It may be less bling than other porches, but still more bling than racecar
 
2013-12-11 03:52:09 PM  
The pictures I've seen make it look like the street was in a low traffic industrial park. You know the type with a bunch of massive low buildings with nothing but loading docks for trucks and otherwise nice manicured commercial properties with roads throughout.

Actually seemed like a pretty good place to do a burn out for a quarter mile and have a little fun.

I say this because I would imagine every red blooded american male has done this themselves or been in a car with a buddy who has floored it on an otherwise empty street just for the hell of it. It's hard for me to see this as really reckless behavior and instead just really bad luck.
 
2013-12-11 03:58:30 PM  

On-Off: Racecar?
Are you serious?
This is what we are talking about, right?
[autopixx.de image 700x583]
it weight 1.4 tonns, has doors you can open, windows you can open electricaly, and so on, and no mandatory etinguisher, roll-bar,...
It may be less bling than other porches, but still more bling than racecar


Fine, it's an assault weapon.
 
2013-12-11 04:12:05 PM  
maybe the teenage males of California engineered his death so he wouldn't take all their 16 year old girlfriends
 
2013-12-11 04:20:42 PM  

On-Off: Racecar?
Are you serious?
This is what we are talking about, right?
[autopixx.de image 700x583]
it weight 1.4 tonns, has doors you can open, windows you can open electricaly, and so on, and no mandatory etinguisher, roll-bar,...
It may be less bling than other porches, but still more bling than racecar


Why did you use a picture of the tarted up Gemballa tuner version?
 
2013-12-11 04:29:20 PM  

Flappyhead: You're son was an idiot and deserved to die in precisely that fashion.


It's contagious!
 
2013-12-11 04:32:14 PM  

Glitchwerks: Why did you use a picture of the tarted up Gemballa tuner version?


Google image search...    didn't know what I was doing. This is ugly.

R.A.Danny: Fine, it's an assault weapon.


do magasine capacity restrictons aply, then?
 
2013-12-11 04:33:50 PM  
I mean "restriction". Farking keyboard
 
2013-12-11 05:01:40 PM  

On-Off: magasine


I think you misspelled "Clip"
 
2013-12-11 05:31:22 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: maybe the teenage males of California engineered his death so he wouldn't take all their 16 year old girlfriends


R. Kelly is still alive and well (unfortunately)
 
2013-12-11 05:41:41 PM  

indarwinsshadow: bdub77: acronym: yes, they were driving like assholes.  However, pisses me off that my town spent millions to fix a road so it is perfectly smooth and then put in speed bumps every 1/4 mile.

You could always do what my town did. Build wide smooth 4-lane roads with a speed limit of 55 and then suddenly lower it to 45 and station cops at the speed limit change.

/the town also lowered several 45mph roads to 35mph and now they camp out there too
//f*cking cops

[t3.gstatic.com image 256x192]


Oh. Boo hoo. Boo hoo.

If you want a private race track, build it yourself jackhole.

//f*cking people who drive too fast.


Missed the point completely.  It's not that I drive faster than the posted speed limit that was determined in 1955, it's that they spent a lot of money to remove natural obstacles and then built in their own...  The potholes did a better job of slowing down traffic and were easier on my suspension.
 
2013-12-11 06:07:00 PM  
Oh please.

Those things are on highways all over America.

If they could really cause a fast moving car to hydroplane there would have been law suits over this years ago.
 
2013-12-11 06:11:23 PM  

CommonName2: namegoeshere: So how much does one pay for a car that sucks this badly?
Whatever it was, he got burned.


You are going to hell.
 
2013-12-11 06:12:51 PM  

Clutch2013: No, it has traction control.


Bruce Campbell: The Carrera GT has traction control, but not of the type that is going to save you much when you get it far out of shape.


Ah, I stand corrected.  I could have sworn that Jeremy Clarkson said in his review that it had none, which was one of the big differences between it and the regular Carrera.

The important thing is that it was a car designed to have a traction control system keep it in line, as pretty much all high-end sports cars are these days.
 
2013-12-11 06:24:15 PM  
I know a good deal about cars, but I have no experience with mid-engined cars like this. Can anyone edumacate me on how that would effect handling? I would think having the motor amidships would make it more balanced and... equal.

But from what I've seen/heard about the GT is that it's a motherfarker to handle. Why?
 
2013-12-11 07:00:53 PM  

steamingpile: Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.

And I thought they were only going 45mph according to most sources?


that's been repeated over and over on Fark, but I've yet to see a source for that. The 45 mph thing came from the speed limit sign, not the speed they were going.
 
2013-12-11 07:09:03 PM  
 
2013-12-11 07:54:50 PM  

darch: I know a good deal about cars, but I have no experience with mid-engined cars like this. Can anyone edumacate me on how that would effect handling? I would think having the motor amidships would make it more balanced and... equal.

But from what I've seen/heard about the GT is that it's a motherfarker to handle. Why?


It should make it better, and my understanding (mostly gleaned from middle-aged men shouting on Top Gear) is that the 97 other flavors of Carrera (Porchse loves to build infinite variates of the same car) are great and handle very well, as they have advanced traction control systems which keep the tires on the road and everything in line.

The best way I can explain the problem is an analogy to aircraft: in traditional aircraft, a plane is aerodynamic enough that it becomes a glider if the engine fails.  But with the advent of computers and computer-aided design, we build things like the Stealth Bomber, which will fall out the sky if it didn't have all its computers in check.

Because this particular car was built to be kept in check by its control system, and this one instead had a very minimal control system which was easy to shut off (as it was really built to be a track car) once you lost control, nothing the driver could do would bring it back under control.  If he'd done whatever he was doing in a traditional car, he stood a good chance of getting it back under control by using the brakes/acceleration/steering.

Two other, unrelated things which come to mind: traditionally, Porche's main car, the 911, had its engine behind the rear wheels, which gave the car a very weird weight distribution.  If you didn't know exactly how to control it, the entire back end would lose traction and you'd crash the car.  They actually had a reputation for being very dangerous according to some, while others loved them.  Porsche slowly moved the 911 engine inboard and I believe it's now a traditional rear-engined car (with the engine between the wheels).

The other was something my father told me years ago was that back in the 1960s, people realized you could take the engine from a Porsche and put it into a VW Beetle with little work.  As many Porsches were totaled it was possible to get the engines, and the two companies are so intertwined its funny it's taken them so long to merge.  The pioneers who did this were geniuses as you suddenly had a real sleeper, a Porsche that looked like a Bug.  They were also suddenly dead as they didn't take into account the fact that the VW transmission, suspension and most importantly brakes couldn't take the power of the Porcshe engine.
 
2013-12-11 08:02:52 PM  

farkingismybusiness: machoprogrammer: Shut the fark up about it already, people. I am so sick of Paul Walker crap.

[i283.photobucket.com image 551x749]



i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-11 08:07:31 PM  
He's still dead.....
 
2013-12-11 08:59:59 PM  

machoprogrammer: Shut the fark up about it already, people. I am so sick of Paul Walker crap.


And yet here you are in a Paul Walker death thread.

He was a rich (albeit generous) guy who you didn't even know that was killed driving his car at insanely unsafe high speeds.

And apparently one of the few people left who aren't aware that he wasn't driving.
 
2013-12-11 09:02:42 PM  
Maybe the dipshiat owner of the car shouldn't have been speeding and had actual tires on the vehicle.
 
2013-12-11 09:37:25 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Maybe the dipshiat owner of the car shouldn't have been speeding and had actual tires on the vehicle.


Maybe but this is a celebrity news story/non-story that has legs!

Expect six more weeks of this shiat, unless there's another school shooting.
 
2013-12-11 09:37:36 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: The other was something my father told me years ago was that back in the 1960s, people realized you could take the engine from a Porsche and put it into a VW Beetle with little work. As many Porsches were totaled it was possible to get the engines, and the two companies are so intertwined its funny it's taken them so long to merge. The pioneers who did this were geniuses as you suddenly had a real sleeper, a Porsche that looked like a Bug.


Totally true. My dad did this. Crappy lil nondescript VW bug that would fly like a bat out of hell. He liked to use it to transport alcoholic beverages although the cops took a dim view on the kind of stuff he was transporting.
 
2013-12-11 10:49:17 PM  
So the car was going 90 and drifted outside its lane but it was the road bumps that caused the accident?
 
2013-12-11 10:52:06 PM  
Just watch fast 6. How long was that runway?
 
2013-12-11 11:20:06 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.


And equips his speeding roadster with slicks. But, of course, if the parents can establish even a tiny shred of doubt, they can then work up a nice payday.
 
2013-12-11 11:42:00 PM  

Flappyhead: You're son was an idiot and deserved to die in precisely that fashion.


Except for the fact he was not driving.
 
2013-12-12 01:12:37 AM  
Speed Bumps are there to deter dumbasses (like Paul Walker) from ass-tearing down the road (like Paul Walker did).

If anything, I'm glad the speed bumps were there. If he was going that fast, he cold have run over a kid.
 
2013-12-12 01:31:41 AM  
Why didn't he just pause the car, like they used to do in Dukes of Hazzard, so he could have stepped out?

/Whut
 
2013-12-12 01:55:35 AM  
Uh, no, doucebaggery caused the death of your loved one.
 
2013-12-12 02:32:21 AM  
All this talk about Bots Dots and not one mention of 'drive by Braille' which is the whole purpose of Bots Dots.

thisisanoutrage.jpg
 
2013-12-12 02:37:54 AM  

FormlessOne: Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.

And equips his speeding roadster with slicks. But, of course, if the parents can establish even a tiny shred of doubt, they can then work up a nice payday.


Porsche is going to end up paying out; they've had to pay in suits over this model before.

What I'm worried is that they'll sue CalDOT or the manufacturer and end up getting the road dots banned. They're really freaking useful and like I said they do save lives.
 
2013-12-12 04:04:09 AM  
They could have blamed reckless driving, could have maintained goodwill for their movie star relative, could have turned that into a lasting legacy with PSAs, a foundation, etc. Instead, what do they do? Blame the road.

What arseholes.
 
2013-12-12 04:46:25 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: They could have blamed reckless driving, could have maintained goodwill for their movie star relative, could have turned that into a lasting legacy with PSAs, a foundation, etc. Instead, what do they do? Blame the road.

What arseholes.


Pause....take a deep breath.  Remember, everything you read on TMZ is as close to a lie as they can be without being sued.

The family hasn't said anything.

Sources close to Paul's family tell TMZ ... the family has been in touch with stunt experts who have gone to the crash site and come back with what they believe is a solid theory -- a speeding car that hits the plastic markers -- called Botts' Dots -- will hydroplane, causing the driver to lose control.

Someone who IS NOT Paul's family told TMZ that SOMEONE ELSE told the family that the Botts Dots could have caused *a speeding car* to go out of control.

Nobody from the family has stated a belief.
Even if the Botts Dots played a role, the stunt experts (allegedly) still say a 'speeding car' must be involved.
Nobody is blaming the little reflectors for killing the drivers, but it is a possible explanation for something that might have been a factor, in addition to speeding.
 
2013-12-12 06:21:58 AM  

Old_Chief_Scott: We had something similar to this in San Diego recently.

The parents of a young man killed in a crash actually said that if the road didn't have dips in it their boy would not have lost control while doing in excess of 100 miles per hour. I will admit to taking those dips at a speed slightly higher than the posted limit but that's only so I can watch my wife's boobs jiggle.


Wow... you too?
 
2013-12-12 07:04:53 AM  

Bruce Campbell: namegoeshere: So how much does one pay for a car that sucks this badly?

It's a driver's car.  When there is a fark up, the fault lies entirely with the driver.  The car far from sucks and is intended to engage every aspect of driving skill. The driver thought he didn't suck, and I am not saying he does, at driving 911s, that is.  I just don't think he had enough experience with this car, as shown by putting stickier tires on it and not keeping the MFG suggested tires on the car, and then did things he should not have done in that car, and I think it was overconfidence in skills from driving other cars that resulted in this death.


No offense, but if your car hints a dot in the road and careens into a tree and catches on fire, it sucks.  Yeah, its the drivers fault, but my mother is a HORRIBLE driver, and she has never hit a speed dot and had her plymouth voyager careen into a tree.
 
2013-12-12 07:36:26 AM  
He was driving too fast the moment he left the garage.
 
2013-12-12 07:57:39 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Speed Bumps are there to deter dumbasses (like Paul Walker) from ass-tearing down the road (like Paul Walker did).

If anything, I'm glad the speed bumps were there. If he was going that fast, he cold have run over a kid.


These weren't speed bumps. They were lane markers.
 
2013-12-12 08:08:41 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: rzrwiresunrise: They could have blamed reckless driving, could have maintained goodwill for their movie star relative, could have turned that into a lasting legacy with PSAs, a foundation, etc. Instead, what do they do? Blame the road.

What arseholes.

Pause....take a deep breath.  Remember, everything you read on TMZ is as close to a lie as they can be without being sued.

The family hasn't said anything.

Sources close to Paul's family tell TMZ ... the family has been in touch with stunt experts who have gone to the crash site and come back with what they believe is a solid theory -- a speeding car that hits the plastic markers -- called Botts' Dots -- will hydroplane, causing the driver to lose control.

Someone who IS NOT Paul's family told TMZ that SOMEONE ELSE told the family that the Botts Dots could have caused *a speeding car* to go out of control.

Nobody from the family has stated a belief.
Even if the Botts Dots played a role, the stunt experts (allegedly) still say a 'speeding car' must be involved.
Nobody is blaming the little reflectors for killing the drivers, but it is a possible explanation for something that might have been a factor, in addition to speeding.


When driving a race car, the only "accident" is a meteor coming out of the sky and hitting your car. Anything else is driver error.
 
2013-12-12 08:13:26 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Porsche is going to end up paying out; they've had to pay in suits over this model before.


I don't think it's that likely if they weren't using the MFG recommended tires, and even less so were on racing rather than DOT approved tires.

I sound fat: No offense, but if your car hints a dot in the road and careens into a tree and catches on fire, it sucks.  Yeah, its the drivers fault, but my mother is a HORRIBLE driver, and she has never hit a speed dot and had her plymouth voyager careen into a tree.


I wouldn't buy into the dot theory in the first place.  Was this Plymouth Voyager driving around a corner at well above speed and was your mother hooning when she hit that dot?
 
2013-12-12 08:45:07 AM  

SDRR: When driving a race car, the only "accident" is a meteor coming out of the sky and hitting your car. Anything else is driver error.


Henry Surtees would disagree with you if he were still alive.  So does Felipe Massa's eye.
 
2013-12-12 09:41:32 AM  

EJ25T: rickythepenguin: blunttrauma: If I dropped that kind of coin on a sports car, it better rotate like Jenna Jameson.

carolla also talked about the car, i think how noted professional race car driver Jay Leno spun his Carerra out 3 times at some race.

i thinkt he story Rogan told was this friend of his drove it at a track, but cut the session short and said afterwards that the car was too dangerous.  something like that.  dude was like, "nope, not me, fark that car, yo."

Walter Rohrl (Porsche test driver and one of the greatest Group B drivers ever) said during wet-weather testing of the Carerra GT that the car absolutely frightened him.

Again, a man who did this successfully for a living:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVHj3sHVHQ

said the Carerra GT scared him.



No, he didn't say that.
 
2013-12-12 10:07:27 AM  

John Buck 41: machoprogrammer: Shut the fark up about it already, people. I am so sick of Paul Walker crap.

And yet here you are in a Paul Walker death thread.

He was a rich (albeit generous) guy who you didn't even know that was killed driving his car at insanely unsafe high speeds.

And apparently one of the few people left who aren't aware that he wasn't driving.


I know he wasn't driving, but his friend was and he could've told his friend to stop doing something so stupid.
 
2013-12-12 10:16:18 AM  

Bruce Campbell: Dwight_Yeast: Porsche is going to end up paying out; they've had to pay in suits over this model before.

I don't think it's that likely if they weren't using the MFG recommended tires, and even less so were on racing rather than DOT approved tires.


good point.

But also LA and a celebrity wrongful death suit jersey
 
2013-12-12 10:34:54 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: But also LA and a celebrity wrongful death suit jersey


It doesn't help that this is pretty much Craig McClellan's (who's made a long and valuable career in suing Porsche) backyard and I am sure he's been in contact with next of kin, but if past precedent holds true, any judgment will be attributed most significantly to driver, and if I had to guess, at most 3% to Porsche (considering the extent they went to tire development) because jurors tend to throw blame everywhere and it seems at random.
 
2013-12-12 03:04:34 PM  

Mikey1969: Actually, subby, you left part of it out. Of course, it doesn't have the sensationalistic 'pop' when you include the full sentence:

Paul Walker died after the speeding Porsche in which he was riding hydroplaned on reflective plastic markers in the street ... at least that's what his family and accident reconstruction experts believe.

I know, I know... It's cooler when you can paint the family as a bunch of amateur schmucks who don't know what they're talking about, right? BTW, the "Botts' Dots" thing has been a theory since the first day.


Is it really hydroplaning?
 
2013-12-12 03:14:22 PM  

Medic Zero: Mikey1969: Actually, subby, you left part of it out. Of course, it doesn't have the sensationalistic 'pop' when you include the full sentence:

Paul Walker died after the speeding Porsche in which he was riding hydroplaned on reflective plastic markers in the street ... at least that's what his family and accident reconstruction experts believe.

I know, I know... It's cooler when you can paint the family as a bunch of amateur schmucks who don't know what they're talking about, right? BTW, the "Botts' Dots" thing has been a theory since the first day.

Is it really hydroplaning?


THAT is the million dollar question... As I understand it, the car did the same thing as if it were hydroplaning, but there obviously was no water involved, so I can see why they use the term, but I do wonder what the better term would be. "Dotting", maybe?
 
2013-12-12 03:43:02 PM  

sovietski: YetAnotherTacitus: I think these dots are not really speed bumps - just the reminders to keep you in your lane (although its hard to tell from the picture). Plus to quote from the article:

"a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots "

I guess this "proves" the driver was driving in an unsafe manner.

Those dots are in Dallas too, as lane markers. Never knew what they were called and I lived there for 4 years.

They made getting over into another lane interesting, but I never took them at 90 mph.

I don't understand. If the driver wanted to drive stupidly/recklessly (and assuming Walker didn't encourage him), why didn't they just go rent a track* to turn the car loose? Why get stupid on surface streets?

-


Because they are better than you.  Walker's douche-stache was proof of that!
 
2013-12-12 04:03:31 PM  

YetAnotherTacitus: I think these dots are not really speed bumps - just the reminders to keep you in your lane (although its hard to tell from the picture). Plus to quote from the article:

"a car going speeds approaching 90 MPH will lose traction after hitting a series of Botts' Dots "

I guess this "proves" the driver was driving in an unsafe manner.


if this prevents idiots from going 90 MPH, then i consider this an additional feature of this product.
 
2013-12-12 04:06:05 PM  
FTFA:

Porsche sent out a memo to dealers back in 2004, warning about control problems with the Carrera GT, saying, "This vehicle cannot drive over a Foster Beer can that is lying on its side.  It will crush the can and damage the carbon fiber under panels," adding, "You need to be aware of what type of road surface you are on (dips, pot holes, seam heights, etc.)."
 
2013-12-12 04:48:08 PM  

Mikey1969: Medic Zero: Mikey1969: Actually, subby, you left part of it out. Of course, it doesn't have the sensationalistic 'pop' when you include the full sentence:

Paul Walker died after the speeding Porsche in which he was riding hydroplaned on reflective plastic markers in the street ... at least that's what his family and accident reconstruction experts believe.

I know, I know... It's cooler when you can paint the family as a bunch of amateur schmucks who don't know what they're talking about, right? BTW, the "Botts' Dots" thing has been a theory since the first day.

Is it really hydroplaning?

THAT is the million dollar question... As I understand it, the car did the same thing as if it were hydroplaning, but there obviously was no water involved, so I can see why they use the term, but I do wonder what the better term would be. "Dotting", maybe?


Walkering.
 
2013-12-12 04:48:48 PM  

Mikey1969: Seequinn: What do those  accident reconstruction experts say about the speed the vehicle was moving at that allowed it to start hydoplaning in the first place?   And continue hydroplaning on the other three tires that did not come in contact with the road markers?   Does the family of Roger Rodas concur?

Probably that it was going fast enough for this to happen in the first place.

MFAWG: The dots were only an issue because of the speed involved.

That added nothing to the conversation, but thanks.


Damn, is that the bar now?
 
2013-12-12 04:51:08 PM  

R.A.Danny: On-Off: Racecar?
Are you serious?
This is what we are talking about, right?
[autopixx.de image 700x583]
it weight 1.4 tonns, has doors you can open, windows you can open electricaly, and so on, and no mandatory etinguisher, roll-bar,...
It may be less bling than other porches, but still more bling than racecar

Fine, it's an assault weapon.


No.  It's a dessert topping.
 
2013-12-12 04:53:44 PM  

Medic Zero: Mikey1969: Medic Zero: Mikey1969: Actually, subby, you left part of it out. Of course, it doesn't have the sensationalistic 'pop' when you include the full sentence:

Paul Walker died after the speeding Porsche in which he was riding hydroplaned on reflective plastic markers in the street ... at least that's what his family and accident reconstruction experts believe.

I know, I know... It's cooler when you can paint the family as a bunch of amateur schmucks who don't know what they're talking about, right? BTW, the "Botts' Dots" thing has been a theory since the first day.

Is it really hydroplaning?

THAT is the million dollar question... As I understand it, the car did the same thing as if it were hydroplaning, but there obviously was no water involved, so I can see why they use the term, but I do wonder what the better term would be. "Dotting", maybe?

Walkering.


LOL, it could be the new term... It's really pretty Fetch, if you ask me. :-)
 
2013-12-12 05:00:13 PM  
Maybe he was trying to become one with nature? Seems to have taken the advice a bit literally though what with trying to merge with that tree. If that tree hadn't been there he might have gone a little further and hit the building instead. Then he could have been another brick in the wall.
 
2013-12-12 05:15:46 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: rickythepenguin: [cdn-media.hollywood.com image 306x306]

FarkingReading: PAUL WALKER DIED.

FarkingReading: /yes, I intend to be this annoying in every PAUL WALKER thread from now on


RIP LUKE SKYWALKER

And Aunt Baroo too...


Will she be cremated as well?
 
2013-12-12 05:24:07 PM  

Rann Xerox: R.A.Danny: On-Off: Racecar?
Are you serious?
This is what we are talking about, right?
[autopixx.de image 700x583]
it weight 1.4 tonns, has doors you can open, windows you can open electricaly, and so on, and no mandatory etinguisher, roll-bar,...
It may be less bling than other porches, but still more bling than racecar

Fine, it's an assault weapon.

No.  It's a dessert topping.


It's a floor wax?
 
2013-12-12 07:30:27 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: FormlessOne: Pocket Ninja: It's funny what small road bumps will do when some asshole displays a criminal disregard of any safe speed limit.

And equips his speeding roadster with slicks. But, of course, if the parents can establish even a tiny shred of doubt, they can then work up a nice payday.

Porsche is going to end up paying out; they've had to pay in suits over this model before.

What I'm worried is that they'll sue CalDOT or the manufacturer and end up getting the road dots banned. They're really freaking useful and like I said they do save lives.


I'm with you on that one. The road dots are useful, and the vehicle's known issues really should ring warning bells in any jury contemplating the idea that the dots are at fault.
 
2013-12-12 08:29:27 PM  

machoprogrammer: I know he wasn't driving


You apparently just learned this rather important piece of information.

but his friend was and he could've told his friend to stop doing something so stupid.

How exactly does that work? One just tells someone to stop doing something stupid and they magically stop?
 
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